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Various Types Of Preachers

Does God call men to preach who preach a different doctrine than the doctrine taught in your church?

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denomination:

an act of denominating, act of naming or designating a person or thing

a value or size of a series of values or sizes (one of the grades or degrees in a series of designations of quantity, VALUE, measure, weight, etc)

a religious organization/group united in adherence to beliefs and practices

a name or designation, especially one for a class of things.


denominations implies division. Genesis...made by God.
Later ex: Cain, Abel.
This division started with one. A thought...

Concerning the church, BOC,

1 Cor 11:19
For there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
---Chria9396 on 7/22/16


\\Please accept my apology.
---Darlene_1 on 5/28/16
\\

May God forgive us all.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/16


Cluny I want to say I am sorry for saying you stir things up. I know its no excuse but my husband is still trying to recover from the stroke and I've been having one medical test after another plus my sore thumb and Mom's death honestly things have just all happened one after another and I guess they have gotten me down a bit. I have trusted God and do Praise Him,but I am plain tired even so I must say my tests have all been normal except I have to take B 12. Thank you and all the others who have prayed. Please accept my apology.
---Darlene_1 on 5/28/16


Cluny I didn't say a word about any of those offices you named there are a lot of different kinds of Ministers and ministries. You never give up trying to stir up things.
---Darlene_1 on 5/26/16


So many men are filled with prejudice against women ministers but God says there is neither male or female to him.
---Darlene_1 on 5/25/16

Wow. There isn't with GOD...There is with men. You have a real problem with being a woman and honoring order it appears per your writing. Prejudiced against men huh? Let men do their jobs...do yours. It's called GOD's order of creation.
Men aren't men anymore you say. Well women can never men either.
1Ti_2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Note that the Chicken didn't come first, the Rooster did.
---Trav on 5/26/16




\\So many men are filled with prejudice against women ministers but God says there is neither male or female to him.
---Darlene_1 on 5/25/16\\

Where in the Bible does God give permission for female presbyters (elders, priests) and bishops in the Church?

BCV, please.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/16


I did research on the women keep silent and found in the side notes of several different translations they all agreed it was about wives and husbands. The women and men sat on different sides and there was confusion in the church,the women were yelling across the aisle and disturbing the service. Notice in the same verses,I think,it tells the women if they wanted to know anything ask their husbands at home. If silence was an overall thing God would never have made women prophets as Deborah and the four daughters and others. No woman can prophesy and be silent at the same time. So many men are filled with prejudice against women ministers but God says there is neither male or female to him.
---Darlene_1 on 5/25/16


\\ My authority came from God. \\

Where did you get that idea, since the Bible says that women are to KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH?

\\If it is from God you will hear many denominations preaching the same message on the same Sunday. \\

It isn't.

\\I'm not sold out to any authority but God,I don't answer to anyone but Him and it is He who judges the Bible I read,not man. \\

Every heretic from Cerintus onwards said exactly the same thing.

John Wilkes Booth said something similar before he shot Lincoln.

I'm not impressed.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


As long as The doctrine is that you were called to preach is founded on Jesus Christ walked on the earth in the flesh then died on the cross and then arose from the dead then you were called to preach the gospel and you are not a false prophet.
---Lee on 5/18/16


Catholics and Orthodox are the only denominations that can prove that they were there.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16


You've bought their lie, so Truth will probably not convince you. Consider accursed below. Scriptures from christ and the prophets... making your defense pitiful.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 ...but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Heb_8:8...I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 5/18/16




\\You will get your information when I am well,getting stitches out doesn't mean it will be ready to type.\\

How are you able to type now?

Or do I simply ask you uncomfortable questions.

\\ I never said I preach\\

You DID say you taught, even though the Bible says women are supposed to KEEP SILENT.

\\Church history Catholic? I There was a Catholic Priest that said you don't have the Holy Ghost unless you speak in tongues.\\

You don't get that I'm ORTHODOX and not Roman Catholic, do you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/16


Cluny I beg your pardon but no one gets results from me by strong arm tactics. You will get your information when I am well,getting stitches out doesn't mean it will be ready to type. I never said I preached. The Pentecostal experience never stopped and didn't just begin at the Azusa Revival. Church history Catholic? I There was a Catholic Priest that said you don't have the Holy Ghost unless you speak in tongues.
---Darlene_1 on 5/15/16


I will wait 10 days, Darlene, and then I want my answer where you get your Biblical authority to preach and teach.

FWIW, Pentecostalism dates back ONLY to the Azusa Street Revival.

Read Church History, and you will find NOTHING resembling what you say goes back to Pentecost.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/16


The duty of the church is to preach the gospel. But, there is disagreement about our pattern for gospel preaching. Different churches pattern their ministry after who they believe preached the gospel first.
Surely, we must all agree with the clear gospel of the cross found in 1 Cor 15:1-4.
The gospel is Christ and his finished work on our behalf for salvation. Through faith in the cross of Christ we have Gods grace, atonement for sins, and eternal life. By the gospel we glory in the cross of Christ (Gal 6:14).
We know this gospel was preached by Paul in 1 Corinthians, but Paul also says he was the last to see Christ(1 Cor 15:8).
---michael_e on 5/15/16


Cluny I can't give you my answer until next week or longer . I fell and cut my thumb badly and I can't type much until that heals a little,I have 20 and more stitches plus of course it hurts.I'll get stitches out in ten days.
---Darlene_1 on 5/14/16


Darlene said, "I did not put anyone down I just told the truth...My authority came from God"

Really? When did God come down to earth and speak to you, personally, and why wasn't I invited?

"...I don't have tradition of 500 years,what I follow began on the Day of Pentecost in the upper Room."

But I don't see any authority behind your statement! Of the 120 people in the Upper Room, you were not there. So how does your authority go back that far, when Catholics and Orthodox are the only denominations that can prove that they were there.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16


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Actually, Darlene, the Bible says that women are to KEEP SILENT IN CHURCH.

What Scriptural authority allows you to teach?

BCV, please.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/16


Monk Brendan I did not put anyone down I just told the truth that if a person teaches only denomination doctrine it is questionable. My authority came from God. If it is from God you will hear many denominations preaching the same message on the same Sunday. I'm not sold out to any authority but God,I don't answer to anyone but Him and it is He who judges the Bible I read,not man. I don't have tradition of 500 years,what I follow began on the Day of Pentecost in the upper Room. Why do you feel you have to play the game of Gotcha,it isn't becoming,especially from a Monk.
---Darlene_1 on 5/13/16


Darlene said, "God calls men and women to teach/preach the message in the Bible and if they are all different due to denominations then they aren't teaching/preaching God's Word but the denominations and that is questionable."

And there is never a question about the messages you "receive" from the Holy Spirit?

Where is the authority in your statement? And don't tell me that it comes from the Bible. Who is the authority that printed the version of the Bible you read?

It all comes back to tradition. You have you tradition of 500 years, Orthodox have their tradition of two millennia.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16


True but in Church History many Popes and Bishops were not just not GODLY they were in fact evil and murdered people. Not all but quite a few.

Also our leaders are only in charge of matters of doctrine and we have no control over nations or political power to have heretics murdered.

Joan of Arc was executed by the Inquestion.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/13/16


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///I was not a Preacher in the formal sense but I was called to teach the Word of God as a Women's Leader which I did in two different churches.. Being in service to God is a serious calling and one must walk in the Spirit to serve in the Spirit. God first in all things.---Darlene_1 on 5/13/16

"Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled." (Titus 2:3-5, ESV)
---Leon on 5/13/16


\\The General Council is elected by members of the Church and are to be Holy God fearing individuals who worship and follow Jesus with all their heart. \\

Qualifications for not only the Pope but all bishops.

Looks exactly the same.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/16


I was not a Preacher in the formal sense but I was called to teach the Word of God as a Women's Leader which I did in two different churches. I had to be approved by the District Council. When I brought a message to them it was one I had prayed and ask God to give me and it used scriptures to confirm what I was teaching. God calls men and women to teach/preach the message in the Bible and if they are all different due to denominations then they aren't teaching /preaching God's Word but the denominations and that is questionable. Being in service to God is a serious calling and one must walk in the Spirit to serve in the Spirit. God first in all things.
---Darlene_1 on 5/13/16


Denominations began with (a)thought(s).

Regardless of things which factor into an individual's perspective, we know the LORD is sovereign, and is before denominations, non-denominations, and each individual.
It is apparent that even within denominations individuals think differently,free to think for themselves.

Biblically God keeps individuals, involved in the life-long process of development, molding as He will.
In the beginning
Divine thought(s)manifest in the creative process and completion of any thing created. He is before all...
Each denomination came about with/from certain thoughts. How closely they reflect truth varies, but individuals influenced by God, (who receive of that influence) will manifest truth
---Chria9396 on 5/13/16


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Yes there is a difference. The General Council is elected by members of the Church and are to be Holy God fearing individuals who worship and follow Jesus with all their heart. They are to decide based on the Bible what is to be taught.

Grace does not follow through the council. Grace comes to each individual from Jesus our High Priest. Everyone who follow Jesus is a priest to all those around them. But true doctrine must be found by the Church in study of the Bible.

Agpae
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/16


In case people think I'm lying, here are EGW's exact words.

\\"I have been shown that no man's judgment should be surrendered to the judgment of any one man. But when the judgment of the General Conference, which is the highest authority that God has upon the earth, is exercised, private independence and private judgment must not be maintained, but be surrendered." Testimonies, Vol 3, p. 492.\\

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/16


\\Cluny the RCC makes the same claims along with the Pope sitting on Saint Peter's throne as the only representative of God on earth.\\

EGW said that the General Conference of the SDA is the only representative of God on earth. Is there any real difference?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/16


Cluny the RCC makes the same claims along with the Pope sitting on Saint Peter's throne as the only representative of God on earth.

So how should a person decide which one is correct?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/16


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\\Denominations may have a mix of true and false
---Chria9396 on 5/11/16\\

Orthodoxy is PRE-denominational.

All other Christian groups are denominations.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/16


Cluny said, " If someone is not preaching the Eastern Orthodox faith, then he is NOT called by God to preach at all."

Cluny might not have put in a Scripture, but I have one for you. "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." John 14:11-13
---Monk_Brendan on 5/11/16


"what if you have only been taught faulty doctrine? Then others that come along and teach true doctrine would not be listened to, while the preachers who teach the same faulty doctrine would be welcomed"
Monk_Brendan11/29/15
While that may be true in instances, the Lord teaches, corrects, draws.
Considering each individual is taught somewhat differently from the moment they enter the world, by their own individual circumstances and influences, the people in their lives as well as any church affiliation...and you have very many varying perspectives.

Churches in revelation...The Lord pointed out what each church had correct and also incorrect,and emphasized overcoming.
Denominations may have a mix of true and false
---Chria9396 on 5/11/16


\\ ...all doctrines must match with Scripture.
\\
...why ours do and yours don't/
---Cluny on 11/9/15

LOL, in 8 years cluny's superior doctrines never used two scriptures in the same post to establish his doctrines. But then, you really can't call them a post. More like little bubbles. You are the fastest person here on the draw cluny. But, you've never once hit a target(see your papa/pope) for ammo.
Stabbing people with your fictional doctrinal gun...is pitiful.
Pro_13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.
Pro_18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.

Give us some scriptural knowledge o wise one.
---Trav on 5/10/16


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Cluny the Bible doesn't say you must preach the Orthodox Faith to get to heaven. It does say we are to teach/preach the Gospel of Jesus and that is in the Bible. All we need do to get to heaven is believe Jesus Christ is born the son of God and died for our sins. He said be ye holy as I am holy. No church doctrine will take anyone to heaven and a lot of people are called to preach who never heard of the Orthodox Church.Be careful because you are saying everyone who preaches a different doctrine than the Orthodox is going to hell. The Bible says as you judge you will be judged.
---Darlene_1 on 5/10/16


If someone is not preaching the Eastern Orthodox faith, then he is NOT called by God to preach at all.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/16


Leon said, "If they're teaching Bible sound doctrine & your church isn't, then YES, God has sent them to bring your congregation out of darkness into God's marvelous light..."

Ah, but what if you have only been taught faulty doctrine? Then others that come along and teach true doctrine would not be listened to, while the preachers who teach the same faulty doctrine would be welcomed

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/29/15


michael e, we should always question anyone's private revelation. If someone comes along and says. "God told me this and has only revealed it to me," as Paul said, one should be skeptical.
---john1944 on 11/10/15


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// How can we be positive it was from God?//
Why should we doubt?
John 13:20, Acts 9 Jesus sends Paul
Out of all the writers, Paul glories more in Jesus Christ than all of them (Gal 6:14)
Jesus made Paul the apostle and the pattern of salvation to us that hereafter believe (1 Tim 1:16).
Paul does not elevate himself above Christ when he bows to him and calls him preeminent (Eph 3:14, Col 1:18).
Following Pauls pattern and instructions requires glorifying God by Jesus Christ (Rom 16:27, Phil 2:11).
What we need to understand is Jesus did not write those red letters. God inspired those words the same way he authored Moses or Paul.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,"
---michael_e on 11/9/15


\\ Which is why all doctrines must match with Scripture.
\\

And that's why ours do and yours don't/

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/15


michael e, that wasn't my question. Paul claims to have received private revelation. How can we be positive it was from God?
---john1944 on 11/9/15


john1944 Did Christ write anything?
Temporarily remove Pauls epistles. Acts nine onward thru Philemon.
How do you explain the cross work of Christ and your position in Christ.
How do you set up positions in your church?
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
---michael_e on 11/9/15


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michael e, how can we be sure Paul's epistles are trustworthy? After all, we only have his word for it, that he received his doctrine direct from God without any intermediaries.
---john1944 on 11/9/15


Correct Cluny GOD does not contradict himself. Which is why all doctrines must match with Scripture.

To have that tradition and teaching of your belief system are not subject to the authority of Scripture makes GOD contradict himself. To have doctrines that are not in line with Scripture makes GOD contradict himself.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/9/15


\\Cluny, Actually, I like your answer. (It made me laugh.) \\

I wasn't being funny, trey, but truthful.

If someone is not preaching the doctrine of the Orthodox Church, he clearly was not called by God.

God doesn't contradict Himself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/15


John1944
The most important epistles for us today are Paul's
Without Pauls writings you will not be able to prove the most basic doctrines,--michael_e on 11/8/15

The Gospels are Plain.
You don't need Paul's letters if you have the Gospels.

Because all of Paul's letters are following Jesus' teachings.

So, you can know how to be Saved by Grace just from the Gospel's themselves.

I truly believe some on this website places Paul's Letters over the Gospels.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/9/15


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John1944
The most important epistles for us today are Paul's
Without Pauls writings you will not be able to prove the most basic doctrines,
Salvation by grace through faith
Justification apart from the law
Full atonement of your sins through the death and resurrection
A church body of both Jew and Gentile
A heavenly position in Christ
---michael_e on 11/8/15


michael e, do you believe the Prison Epistles are the most important of the New Testament books?
---john1944 on 11/8/15


Rightly dividing the truth is ask who is speaking and to whom, what is the context?
Everyone divides the Bible in some way, and no one thinks they wrongly divide.
You must determine if you fit in the context of the passage. If you do obey, if not, then you let it go as instructions not written to you.

If the Devil is speaking you know the words that he speaks are not for you. God told Noah to build an ark you know you are not in that audience since the Flood is past.
We are living in the dispensation of Gods grace where Jesus gave instructions to the apostle Paul that are more excellent for us than the instructions in other dispensations (Phil 1:10, Eph 3:2) .
---michael_e on 11/8/15


What does "rightly dividing the word of truth" mean?
---john1944 on 11/7/15


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It is my belief that God reveals some truth to many, and much truth to a few, and no one of us has all the truth.

Our conversation spurred this question.
---trey on 11/3/15

How does one go about knowing God reveals all truth to some and not the other persons and why just some truth/ does not scripture say " he will send the HS and he will lead us to all truth"
---Ruben on 11/7/15


The word of truth revealed to Paul for the church today is right, and any doctrine contrary to what the Lord had revealed to him for today is wrong.
This is why Paul charged Timothy to rightly divide the word of truth. A failure to do so would result in a failure in the faith of those he ministered to
---michael_e on 11/7/15


///It is my belief that God reveals some truth to many, and much truth to a few, and no one of us has all the truth.

trey

There are some preachers who do not belong to my church who I love to listen too. They preach great truths and do it in a very good way. John MacArthur is one.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/15///

J. Mac' excellent! Chuck Swindoll is another Sam.
---Leon on 11/4/15


It is my belief that God reveals some truth to many, and much truth to a few, and no one of us has all the truth.

trey

There are some preachers who do not belong to my church who I love to listen too. They preach great truths and do it in a very good way. John MacArthur is one.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/4/15


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Cluny, Actually, I like your answer. (It made me laugh.)

I was visiting with a brother in the church. I stated that I know of a man that preaches for another denomination. He has a heart for God's people but doesn't interpret scripture the same as my denomination, but I stated that I believed he has a God given gift to preach.

The brother I was speaking with had a hard time believing that a man that was teaching a different doctrine than ours is called to preach.

It is my belief that God reveals some truth to many, and much truth to a few, and no one of us has all the truth.

Our conversation spurred this question.
---trey on 11/3/15


All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

While pastors may have different METHODS presenting the Biblical truths, the MESSAGE needs to be what it states in 2 Timothy chp. 3, verses 16,17
---wivv on 11/3/15


No.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/15


All preachers should be able to show from scripture, if challenged about their sermon, where the bible says what they had preached. If their words are not backed up by scripture something is wrong.

I was once told that a member of a congregation should never challenge the preacher. I believe that to be incorrect. We are all answerable at some time or another and should be ready for a challenge when one comes our way. If we leave them to preach incorrectly we have allowed them to preach a falsehood.
---andreea on 11/3/15


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It depends on the doctrine. I disagree with my church on some minor points
---Scott1 on 11/2/15


If they're teaching Bible sound doctrine & your church isn't, then YES, God has sent them to bring your congregation out of darkness into God's marvelous light. On the other hand, if your church is teaching sound Bible doctrine & a wolf in sheep's clothing shows up preaching another gospel, then the answer is NO!
---Leon on 11/2/15


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