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Is the earth a globe, or is it a flat disk? Please help me with scripture.

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john1944:

I am really getting confused about what you are trying to say here.

You said: Jerry, even if the earth is flat the Bible can be trusted.

This statement doesn't make any sense logically. Your whole thesis here is that the Bible does, in fact, say the earth is flat. So if the earth is flat, the Bible can already be trusted (at least on that point), so the "even if" doesn't make any sense.

But we can see that the earth isn't flat. Every scientific test we can perform right here and now is consistent with a spherical earth, but not with a flat earth. The statement "even if the earth ISN'T flat, the Bible can be trusted" would have made more sense (but also less sense).
---StrongAxe on 11/20/15


Micha, good answer! :)
---john1944 on 11/20/15


Jerry, even if the earth is flat the Bible can be trusted.
---john1944 on 11/20/15


/where does the Bible say the earth is spherical?\-john1944 on 11/19/15
Right across the page where it says the Earth is flat.
---micha9344 on 11/20/15


Michael & StrongAxe: Right on! It seems that john1944 either believes that the earth is flat, or he is just trying to show that the Bible can't be trusted. And, if one can't trust the Bible in one place, how can it be trusted anywhere? This is not a firm foundation for a Christian, IMHO.


---jerry6593 on 11/20/15




Even better, where does the Bible say, "The earth is NOT spherical, nor are other astronomical bodies"?

If the earth is flat, is the moon flat? The sun? The stars?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/20/15


Micha, where does the Bible say the earth is spherical?
---john1944 on 11/19/15


micha9344:

You wrote: Holy Bible is true and man's thoughts are being interpreted into it.
The Holy Bible is not open to interpretation, but is open to many misinterpretations.


This is one of the most insightful things I have read in my several years of blogging here!
---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


It always amazes me how many people hold other literature as a higher standard than the Bible.
Such is the case here.
Either the flat-earth bible is true, which makes the Holy Bible false, or the Holy Bible is true and man's thoughts are being interpreted into it.
The Holy Bible is not open to interpretation, but is open to many misinterpretations.
---micha9344 on 11/19/15


Jerry, it's okay if you disagree. I don't mind.
---john1944 on 11/19/15




John: I strongly disagree with your assertion that the Bible teaches a flat earth. You have not made a logical case for it, IMHO. Do you personally believe that the earth is flat? Have you ever taken a long airplane trip?

The Tychonian Society which you reference also teaches that the earth is the center of the universe. Also false.



---jerry6593 on 11/19/15


I have not been keeping up with this Blog.

But your point Jerry that people make the Bible say what they want it to so at to suit themselves is so very true and important.

There is an old saying. A text out of context is a pretext. So many only look to make the Bible follow their doctrine instead of following the Bible.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/19/15


john1944:

You said: The Flat-Earth Bible
1987, 1995 by Robert J. Schadewald
Reprinted from The Bulletin of the Tychonian Society #44 (July 1987)


He mentions 1 Chronicles 16:30: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable., and several other similar passages. Yet the Bible ALSO mentions earthquakes (which, by definition, DO "move" the earth). The only two possible conclusions one can draw are:
1) The Bible contradicts itself, or
2) the "literal and absolute" interpretation of these passages is incorrect.

Besides, there is no part of "immovable" that says "flat". It is possible for a sphere to be immovable, just as much as a disc is.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


You can Google this for irrefutable proof that the Bible is a flat-earth book.

Enjoy!

The Flat-Earth Bible
1987, 1995 by Robert J. Schadewald
Reprinted from The Bulletin of the Tychonian Society #44 (July 1987)
---john1944 on 11/18/15


jerry6593:

You said: I worded that badly. The meaning I was trying to convey was that some are trying to teach God what He meant in the scripture, rather than learning from Him.

This is true. Many people think they know religion and the Bible better than God does. When they see something in the Bible they don't agree with, they either ignore it, or claim it "couldn't possibly" mean what it actually says.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/15


StrongAxe: "The problem is that many don't approach the Scriptures to learn from them, but rather to teach them."

I worded that badly. The meaning I was trying to convey was that some are trying to teach God what He meant in the scripture, rather than learning from Him.


---jerry6593 on 11/18/15


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john1944:

Thanks. I've also noticed that your discussions are generally well considered as well.



jerry6593:

You wrote: The problem is that many don't approach the Scriptures to learn from them, but rather to teach them.

Teaching is not bad in itself, but many approach them solely to justify their beliefs. This is the approach of lawyers - finding any precept in the law to justify a particular viewpoint or behavior. This is what the Pharisees did.

I see this in a lot of games as well - people who read game rules to find ways to exploit their letter, rather than understand what the spirit the creators had intended.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/15


StrongAxe, much truth in what you say. You are indeed a thoughtful and level-headed guy. I mean that.
---john1944 on 11/15/15


StrongAxe: You're right about respondent's flawed logic used to support a personal agenda. I've also seen: "The Bible doesn't say X, so Y must be true." (Making a religion of what is NOT in the Bible. Also, "Sure the Bible says X in many places, but I believe it can be interpreted as NOT X in one place, so I'll go with that." One other major flaw is assigning the wrong context to a particular Scripture, while completely ignoring the true context.

The problem is that many don't approach the Scriptures to learn from them, but rather to teach them.


---jerry6593 on 11/16/15


john1944:

You said: Almost everyone here is trying to make the Bible fit whatever their particular beliefs are.

One of the arguments I have frequently on these blogs, on many different subjects, is this. Someone says "The Bible says X". I say "No, in fact, it doesn't say that anywhere". This is NOT the same as "The Bible says NOT X", nor "I disbelieve X", nor "I disagree with X". It is using elementary logic (and lack of credible witness, which can be verified by anyone with a concordance) to refute an incorrect claim.

This is not a pushing any agenda, other than ensuring people don't claim the Bible says something it doesn't actually say.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/15


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"Unless you live in a flat place, how would you think the world is flat? The sun is round and the moon is round and the Bible says the earth is round.
---yon6878 on 11/13/15"

Yon, good question, and an excellent point. I would ask why anyone would even suppose that the earth is shaped any differently than the rest of the planets, stars, or moons of the visible universe. And believe that the bible would suggest, or even imply that it is? Perhaps it is simply a misunderstanding of Isa 11:12 for example. Believing it suggest corners of a square, rather than the extremities of north, south, east, and west that is actually referenced. I suppose that understandable, If research is neglected.
---joseph on 11/14/15


Almost everyone here is trying to make the Bible fit whatever their particular beliefs are.
---john1944 on 11/14/15


Trying to get the Bible to say that the earth is flat is as much a fools errand as is trying to get it to support long-age Evolution. The Bible is much too important to be used in such a callous manner. We should read it to determine what God would have us to believe - not to make it say what we already believe.


---jerry6593 on 11/14/15


Cluny:

john1944 wrote: perhaps our problem is that you think that I believe the earth is flat. It's not that at all. Please reread Genesis 1 and then tell me how its cosmology allows for a spherical earth.

You wrote: But if you want to think the earth is flat, go right ahead. Grownups know better.

john1944 wrote: Cluny, don't be snooty, it's unbecoming.

I have not said I believe the earth is flat. I'm asserting the Bible says it is.

In this case, John is correct. He didn't say he believes it, just claimed that Genesis said it.
---StrongAxe on 11/14/15


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Micha, it's been a fun and interesting topic. Thanks for your input. On to something else now!
---john1944 on 11/13/15


Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.

Unless you live in a flat place, how would you think the world is flat? The sun is round and the moon is round and the Bible says the earth is round.
---yon6878 on 11/13/15


/the Hebrew word translated "firmament" or "expanse" is the same word that translates "bowl" or "dome." A bowl can completely cover a plate but can't completely surround a ball. So the firmament itself rules out a spherical earth.\-john1944 on 11/12/15
Another poor interpretation of a single word trying to fit in the idea of a flat earth. Eisegesis
---micha9344 on 11/13/15


Cluny, don't be snooty, it's unbecoming.

I have not said I believe the earth is flat. I'm asserting the Bible says it is. None of you are convinced, so maybe we've exhausted the subject by now.

It's been fun, I must say!
---john1944 on 11/13/15


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\\A bowl can completely cover a plate but can't completely surround a ball.\\

I can think of several way where it can.

But if you want to think the earth is flat, go right ahead. Grownups know better.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/15


"The Hebrew word translated "firmament" or "expanse" is the same word that translates "bowl" or "dome" John please state your source. According to the Strongs concordance, the hebrew word for bowl is mizraq. The hebrew word for firmament is raqiya, defined as an expanse above the earth, spread out over a hemisphere. Represented as above both the northern and southern hemispheres of a terrestrial globe, divide by the equator, as a celestial sphere. Which would of course encompass what is referred to as the eastern and western hemispheres, as realms in the earth, as well.
---joseph on 11/12/15


john1944:

You said: the Hebrew word translated "firmament" or "expanse" is the same word that translates "bowl" or "dome." A bowl can completely cover a plate but can't completely surround a ball. So the firmament itself rules out a spherical earth.

I was speaking about the word "earth" (eretz), not "firmament". But remember that a sphere fits very nicely inside a bowl.

Also, the firmament (i.e. the heavens or sky) divides the waters above from those below. We speak of the "dome of the sky", so it makes perfect sense in this context.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/15


StrongAxe, the Hebrew word translated "firmament" or "expanse" is the same word that translates "bowl" or "dome." A bowl can completely cover a plate but can't completely surround a ball. So the firmament itself rules out a spherical earth.
---john1944 on 11/12/15


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john1944:

You said: Please reread Genesis 1 and then tell me how its cosmology allows for a spherical earth.

If it does not, then a sperical earth would cause a contradiction with even one verse. but:

v. 1-2, 9-12, 15, 17, 22, 26, 28-30: mention earth, but nothing about its shape.
v. 3-8, 13-14, 16, 18-21, 23-25, 27, 31: don't mention earth at all.

So please show me at least one verse in Genesis 1 where assuming a spherical earth contradicts that verse? If you can't (and I just listed them all, and none of them does), then it DOES allow for a spherical earth, or a flat earth, or a toroidal earth, or even a pretzel-shaped earth.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/15


The world (what we THINK and ACCEPT as "reality") is not as was taught to us. Many of the things that have always been taught simply never really made sense. So now it is time to WAKE UP and think about what does make sense (do not think the blog question is so ridiculous that it should just be ignored.

There is a video on youtube called....

75 bible verses codes prophecies prove a geocentric flat earth.

At least, say "MAYBE" (have courage).
---faithforfaith on 11/12/15


StrongAxe, perhaps our problem is that you think that I believe the earth is flat. It's not that at all. Please reread Genesis 1 and then tell me how its cosmology allows for a spherical earth. I'll read your response carefully.
---john1944 on 11/12/15


john1944:

You said: I must insist Genesis 1 shows at least the probability of a flat earth, but it absolutely rules out a spherical earth.

This statement itself is internally inconsistent. If genesis 1 ABSOLUTELY rules out a spherical earth, how is it only AT LEAST the probability of a flat earth, and not the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY of a flat earth? Unless it could also be triangular, toroidal, or pretzel-shaped? Since it's not clear (i.e it neither specifies flat nor spherical), how can it "absolutely rule it out"? Can you be more specific about that?

Also, it isn't just my belief - I can see with my own eyes. Get on a ship and you see things fall off at the horizon, not possible with a flat earth.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/15


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StrongAxe, I have no quarrel with your understanding of the earth's shape. But I must insist Genesis 1 shows at least the probability of a flat earth, but it absolutely rules out a spherical earth.
---john1944 on 11/11/15


john1944:

You said: StrongAxe, no dogma involved. No one's salvation depends on cosmology. But one can't read a spherical earth into Genesis 1:6-19. That's all I'm trying to get across.

One can't read a flat earth into Genesis 1:6-19 either. It mentions the earth once, and doesn't say anything at all about its shape.

Also, that passage is astronomically inaccurate. Classically, we think of the sun ruling the day, and the moon ruling the night, but that is not accurate. The position and phase of the moon constantly change. When it's near full moon, it rules the night, but when it's near new moon, it's on the same side of the earth as the sun, and not visible most of the night.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/15


Micha, thanks. We're making a little progress now.
---john1944 on 11/11/15


/The "flat earth" did not come from scripture, It was imposed upon it, until the truth was revealed.\-micha9344 on 11/10/15
/The writers of scripture believed the earth was flat, and a spherical earth was read into it later.\-john1944 on 11/10/15
They read into it a flat earth. That was their belief before the Scriptures were written.
Mesopotamian, Egyptian and other mythologies had a variation of the "flat Earth."
Since there was very little ideas about a "globe", scriptural interpretation followed the known theories.
Since truth has been revealed in this matter, it is easy to see why ancient peoples would interpret certain passages the way you do, but it is misinterpretation.
---micha9344 on 11/11/15


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StrongAxe, no dogma involved. No one's salvation depends on cosmology. But one can't read a spherical earth into Genesis 1:6-19. That's all I'm trying to get across.
---john1944 on 11/11/15


john1944:

You said: Micha, I believe it's the other way around. The writers of scripture believed the earth was flat, and a spherical earth was read into it later. Genesis one describes something completely alien to the idea of a spherical earth.

What the fallible writers of scripture personally believed about their surroundings is irrelevant. We can't treat their unwritten (and sometimes incorrect) beliefs as dogma. While the Bible is the Word of God, what we read between the lines, and attempt to mind-read from its authors, is not.
---StrongAxe on 11/10/15


Micha, I believe it's the other way around. The writers of scripture believed the earth was flat, and a spherical earth was read into it later. Genesis one describes something completely alien to the idea of a spherical earth.
---john1944 on 11/10/15


/I've said what I wanted to say.\-john1944 on 11/9/15
Whether what you wanted to say is the truth or not.
Some may believe a lie and proclaim it as truth.
Some may outright lie, seeing what responses arise.
I'm getting the feeling that you are playing "devil's advocate."
The events "impossible" on a spherical Earth just shows man's limited knowledge and understanding.
God gave us logic and minds to search out His creation and discover the physical.
There is no need to "re-interpret" scripture in light of our knowledge unless there was a "mis-interpretation."
The "flat earth" did not come from scripture, It was imposed upon it, until the truth was revealed.
---micha9344 on 11/10/15


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StrongAxe, as you wish. I've said what I wanted to say.
---john1944 on 11/9/15


john1944:

You said: One can draw many conclusions through perception and reasoning, but they more often than not conflict with what Scripture says. One must choose...

People often confuse what scripture ACTUALLY SAYS to what they INTERPRET it to say. The quotes you mentioned earlier were in visions. You assume these visions were literal, but most visions were not: Jesus is the Lamb who was Slain, but wasn't covered with wool. The Beast of Revelation is a man, with many heads and horns, that men don't have, etc.

If I see something with my own eyes that conflict with what somebody's interpretations of what scriptures say, I don't doubt my eyes, and I don't doubt scripture, but I DO doubt their interpretation.
---StrongAxe on 11/9/15


One can draw many conclusions through perception and reasoning, but they more often than not conflict with what Scripture says. One must choose...
---john1944 on 11/8/15


faithforfaith:

You said: It is impossible to know whether it is flat.

Not so. There are many ways you can find out.

Travel 1000 miles east/west and you lose/gain an hour. Go all the way around and you lose/gain a whole day.

Travel north/south and the angle of the sun changes. Near the poles, days last all summer, and nights all winter.

Pour water down a sink, and it always rotates the same way, due to coriolis forces.

Look at the moon at night, especially during a lunar eclipse.

All of these things are trivially explained by a spherical earth, but CANNOT be explained by a flat earth.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/15


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Faithforfaith, do you really think knowledge of our earth is unimportant? Genesis details the creation, so apparently God wants us to know about it.
---john1944 on 11/7/15


It is impossible to know whether it is flat. There are many theories that the 'world reality' or the 'life experience' is as we understand it to be.

On youtube you will see videos about FLAT earth, HOLLOW earth, and even one about us living INSIDE a globe (it seems that people are beginning to feel uncomfortable about all that we have been taught).

...but God never said that any of us NEED to know the TRUTH, He only said that we need to have a relationship with all TRUTH (Jesus)....

2 Thess. 2 "because they refused to LOVE THE TRUTH and SO BE SAVED".

JESUS is ALL TRUTH combined.
---faithforfaith on 11/7/15


StrongAxe, as you wish. It's okay. No problem. :)
---john1944 on 11/6/15


john1944:

You said: It seems most here are uncomfortable with the idea that the earth is not a globe. So I'll leave you with your views and go on to other topics.

It isn't a matter of being comfortable or uncomfortable. It's a matter of objective truth. If you perform ANY physical test on the earth that will be different if it is flat or spherical, that test will tell you it's spherical. It seems that YOU are the one who is uncomfortable with this basic fact. Deal with it.

You quote scriptures that speak of the earth as being flat, but these are all visions, and cannot be taken literally, as other visions cannot be. There are no scriptures that actually SAY the earth IS flat.
---StrongAxe on 11/6/15


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It seems most here are uncomfortable with the idea that the earth is not a globe. So I'll leave you with your views and go on to other topics. It's been an interesting discussion. You guys are great!
---john1944 on 11/6/15


john1944:

You said: Monk Brendan, you quoted the Daniel passage. That's one if the reasons. The Bible clearly teaches it.

You quoted, yet ignored, the word vision. Many visions are described in the Bible, and they cannot be taken literally without first ingesting large quantities of psychedelics. In Revelation, the multi-headed beast is also a man - what human can have more than one head and live, let alone 7? And horns?? Jesus is the lamb who was slain, yet he was human when crucified. Daniel's statue of clay and bronze is a powerful kingdom, but when do countries have physical legs and arms? These are all metaphors for realities at other levels. The same with dreams and the interpretations.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/15


Monk Brendan, you quoted the Daniel passage. That's one if the reasons. The Bible clearly teaches it.
---john1944 on 11/5/15


John 1944 said, "Cluny, Daniel 4:10,11, Matthew 4:8, Revelation 1:7. These events are not possible on a spherical earth."

In the NIV , the verse in Daniel reads, 10 These are the visions I saw while lying in bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. 11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky, it was visible to the ends of the earth.

I have a hard time believing that any normal adult in the world that speaks English doesn't believe in the Earth (the planet, dig?) being a sphere. Where did you get this idea?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/5/15


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StrongAxe, that's what Cluny said too.
---john1944 on 11/5/15


john1944:

Daniel 4:10-11: This was a vision, i.e. symbolic and not necessarily literal. After all, the statue with feet of clay was multiple kingdoms, which are NOT literally statues. Same with the dragon of Revelation.

Matthew 4 looks very much like a vision, rather than literal transportation. Nowhere else in scripture is the devil shown to have the power of teleportation. If he did, he would be able to wreak much more havoc than he has ever done.

Revelation 1:7: "every eye shall see him" is easily possible with television. but "and they also who pierced him" is (literally) impossible, as all present at the crucifixion is now dead.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/15


Dan 4:11 The tree grew...and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
-It is also not possible for a tree to grow that big. Notice "vision" in v10.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world...
-Man cannot see that far, even in a straight line. What makes you think this was physical sight?
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see him...
-How many people saw the twin towers fall as they were falling? Most were not in sight distance.
-John, your reasoning is faulty and your interpretation is poor.
The words you used were "real" and "solid" evidence.
---micha9344 on 11/5/15


Micha, please read Daniel 4:10,11, Matthew 4:8, Revelation 1:7. These events are not possible on a spherical earth.

Cluny, so I'm told.
---john1944 on 11/5/15


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john1944:

You said: What interests me is that there is no real evidence the Bible teaches us the earth is a sphere. If any of you have solid evidence, I want to hear it. Thanks.

There are a lot of things that the Bible doesn't teach, but are, nevertheless, true. The Bible is not an encyclopedia of science. It was never intended to be. You won't learn about physics by reading War and Peace, nor about botany by reading Plato's Republic either.

On the vast majority of subjects, the Bible is silent, and we must rely on our own observations and experiences for information. See and touch the world. You will see that it is, indeed, spherical.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/15


john1944, the Bible is not intended to be a scientific treatise.
---Cluny on 11/5/15

There is no conflict with GOD's scriptures and science other than what men limit each too by doctrine.
GOD the creator, created the "science" Israel discovers and utilizes.
Note that Israel and others would seek all mystery's.
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Jer 33:25
Jer 33:26
---Trav on 11/5/15


john1944, the Bible is not intended to be a scientific treatise.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/5/15


What interests me is that there is no real evidence the Bible teaches us the earth is a disk. If any of you have solid evidence, I want to hear it. Thanks.
---micha9344 on 11/5/15


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What interests me is that there is no real evidence the Bible teaches us the earth is a sphere. If any of you have solid evidence, I want to hear it. Thanks.
---john1944 on 11/4/15


john1944:

You wrote: These events are not possible on a spherical earth.

All you have to do is get on a plane and fly a long distance (or, if you don't trust technology, just drive or even walk for a long time). The phenomena you experience (i.e. changing time zones, international date line, earth dropping off at the horizon, tilting angles of the sun, etc.) are all consistent with a spherical earth, but cannot be explained by a flat earth. "The heavens and earth declare the glory of God". So either the phenomena we experience are deliberately designed to deceive (and if so, how can we trust ANYTHING else we see?), or there is something wrong with a dogmatic flat-earth interpretation of scripture.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/15


"Joseph, a circle is not necessarily a sphere. There is another Hebrew word for sphere. It is found in Isaiah 22:18."
The word you are referring to is 'duwr' pronounced 'dure' meaning a ball, as crumpled into a circle, round about. The visible arch of the sky represents a portion of a sphere that incircles the earth and contains all the levels of earth's atmosphere, appearing as an arch, no matter where on stands upon earth. In other words, no matter where one stands upon the earth, one never sees a leading edge of the arch.
---joseph on 11/4/15


/you're correct, it is round, as a disk, and immovable.\-john1944 on 11/4/15
It is round no matter which direction one looks, hence a sphere, not a cylinder, nor a disk.
The Hebrew word "duwr" is better interpreted "pile", not as a spherical ball, but as an amassed heap. Therefore, "duwr" would not adequately describe the globe, Earth.
One crumples paper into what we would call a "ball", a gathered mass. This is not what God did at creation.
Interestingly, the verb form means to "inhabit" or "dwell" and is used in conjunction with the Earth.
John, how does one get "around" the Earth?
How does one get from the edge of one side to the edge of the other?
---micha9344 on 11/4/15


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Cluny, Daniel 4:10,11, Matthew 4:8, Revelation 1:7. These events are not possible on a spherical earth.

Leon, in Isaiah 22:18, the word is the Hebrew "ball" and different from "circle." The Hebrew word translated "firmament" in Genesis 1 means a visible arch in the sky.
---john1944 on 11/4/15


So, john1944, you don't think the earth is spherical or nearly so?

Please give scripture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/15


///Joseph, a circle is not necessarily a sphere. There is another Hebrew word for sphere. It is found in Isaiah 22:18.

Leon, Genesis One describes the heavens as a dome above the earth, in which God placed the heavenly bodies.
---john1944 on 11/4/15///

John: What is that Hebrew word, found in Is. 22:18, that you refer to? Also, specifically where in Genesis 1 are the heavens described as a dome?
---Leon on 11/4/15


Cluny, you're correct, it is round, as a disk, and immovable.
---john1944 on 11/4/15


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In the Psalms it says, "Know that He has made the ROUND WORLD so sure that it cannot be moved."

Now, please give me the multiplication table from scripture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/15


Joseph, a circle is not necessarily a sphere. There is another Hebrew word for sphere. It is found in Isaiah 22:18.

Leon, Genesis One describes the heavens as a dome above the earth, in which God placed the heavenly bodies.
---john1944 on 11/4/15


Why are you asking John? Based on the information you've gotten, what do you believe? Why?
---Leon on 11/3/15


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