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Explain Job 1:6-7.

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Looking back 68 years, I remember my dad saying, "The devil goes to church every Sunday." Years later, I really didn't know what he meant. Then I read the book of Job (specifically Job 1:6) & my dad's statement became clear when I put my name in the place of Job. Being in the church-house can be a very uplifting time. But, in this life it's very true, "What goes up must come down." That's the "gravity" test. As a Christian, I believe it's all part of God's growing (maturing) process. There was a time I believe God asked Satan, "Have you considered my servant Leon?" What about you? Yuup, the devil is still going to & fro, in the Earth, seeking whoever he can devour...
---Leon on 11/15/15


///Leon, I was just wondering. That Nephalim story is just weird.---john1944 on 11/14/15///

John: Yeah, it certainly far exceeds the bounds of credulity as well as biblical exegeses. It has a sort of Rod Sterling "Twilight Zone" quality.
---Leon on 11/14/15


"Leon, I was just wondering. That Nephalim story is just weird."
I understand John. Not only have my beliefs concerning this been considered "weird" an unsubstantiated by most I have encountered, I have been consider weird because of those beliefs, and my willingness to express them so openly. One would think that I would have learned by now, and reconsidered those beliefs, yet they remain, my beliefs. Weird huh:o)
---josef on 11/14/15


///Leon...I still hold to my belief that the sons of God in Job refer to angelic beings and that the sons of God refered to in Genesis were godly men...---trey on 11/14/15///

Trey: Since the beginning of this blog & after meditating praying on the matter, I believe the Lord has shown me that the "sons of God" in Job 38:4-7 were indeed His holy & obedient angels. Key to the whole thing is "sons" (children), created by the Father, are obedient to Him.

Okay friend, I agree with you regarding G6:2-4. But, I still hold to my understanding that the "sons of God" in Job 1:6 were Job & other obedient MEN (people) gathering in worship to God in what we now call church. :)
---Leon on 11/14/15


Leon, I was just wondering. That Nephalim story is just weird.
---john1944 on 11/14/15




"Josef, I differ from you in what you said concerning Num. 13:32,33." Ok, Luke I do not think there is any two people on earth that agree on everything when it come to ones understanding of scripture. But again, that's ok, we are meant to be individuals, free thinkers. That is why it is not for any of us to attempt to force anyone else to think as we do, but rather to give everyone the full and free liberty of thinking for themselves. Especially when it come to things that are in essence irrelevant as concerning salvation.

Leon on 11/14/15 OK.
---josef on 11/14/15


Josef, I differ from you in what you said concerning Num. 13:32,33. What was reported by the 10 spies was a lie. The report of the 10 was evil because it exaggerated the dangers of the people in the land, and they sought to stir up and instill fear in the people of Israel, and most importantly it expressed their faithless attitude toward God and His promises. But Caleb quieted the people down. He showed his true faith toward God and His promises. That is why I believe there were no Giants then. What happened before the flood died with the flood.
---Luke on 11/14/15


///Was Satan the father of some of the Nephalim?
---john1944 on 11/13/15///

John: The Bible doesn't say that. Scripture (Jn. 8:41-44) does say the devil is a liar & father of all liars. Satan is a spirit (not physical) being & he is "spirit father" to all who walk in & knowingly live a life of lies. Note: Satan couldn't (can't) birth Earthly (physical) children any more than he could reenter God's heaven after being thrown out (exiled to Earth).
---Leon on 11/14/15


Leon,

Amen. I agree 100% that we agree on the fundamentals. I also respect your opinion and understand your viewpoint. I still hold to my belief that the sons of God in Job refer to angelic beings and that the sons of God refereed to in Genesis were godly men who saw the beauty of heathen women and took them for their wives. It was their decision to take these heathen wives that lead to the spread of wickedness and idolatery and eventually the destruction of the world by flood.
---trey on 11/14/15


///...I believe there was another infiltration that was not specifically mention in scripture [???], yet implied in Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth [from the relationships in verse 2) [???] both in those days [the days before the flood] and afterwards, [following the flood is implied here] when the sons of God came to the daughters of mankind, who bore children to them.---josef on 11/13/15///

Josef: You're trying to square peg a round hole (force a meaning upon Scripture). Your eisegesis about giants being the offspring of angels & women is unscriptural. Actually, they were children born to the daughters of "wicked " MEN (G6:4) & the sons of God (G4:26 ~ believing MEN of God).
---Leon on 11/14/15




"Was Satan the father...?---john1944 on 11/13/15"
As far as I know he has only directly fathered one child, "Cain, who was 'of' (Strongs G1537 out of, from, by) that wicked one" 1Jo 3:12 and there is no mention of him being of the nephalim. He is the progeny by which Satan filled the earth with his 'seed', [Strongs H2233 "offspring", from Gen 3:15 which is the same used and translated as her "seed"], the tares. For "the tares are the children of the wicked one". Mat 13:38 The serpent Satan 'beguiled' (strongs G1818-Deceived and wholly seduced) Eve, producing Cain. And Adam was not 'deceived' (G538-to cheat, beguile), but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
---josef on 11/14/15


Was Satan the father of some of the Nephalim?
---john1944 on 11/13/15


"There were also nephilim in Canaan well after the flood. Is it your contention, Josef, that these were also of "mixed" relations?" Yes, between the nephilim and their wives, as the verse states, "We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak, who come from the Nephilim)." How was they there after the flood? I believe there was another infiltration that was not specifically mention in scripture, yet implied in Gen 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth [from the relationships in verse 2] both in those days [the days before the flood] and afterwards, [following the flood is implied here] when the sons of God came to the daughters of mankind, who bore children to them.
---josef on 11/13/15


"Josef & Trey: I believe we can debate our different views vigorously & not be divided over the essentials of Christianity, namely being the virgin birth, death, burial & resurrection of our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ."

Yes Leon, I agree, and there is certainly no division there.
---Josef on 11/13/15


Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
There were also nephilim in Canaan well after the flood. Is it your contention, Josef, that these were also of "mixed" relations?
---micha9344 on 11/13/15


Josef & Trey: I believe we can debate our different views vigorously & not be divided over the essentials of Christianity, namely being the virgin birth, death, burial & resurrection of our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.

My focus hasn't been to isolate & cherry pick Scripture, but to acurately see the entirety of the Bible (Genesis - Revelation), as revealed by God the Holy Spirit, in each & every book, passage & verse. In other words, the universal big picture.

I think, many people see Scripture by squinting & peering thru key hole passages when God wants us all to walk with Him thru His Door of understanding & knowledge by His Word (the Bible) & see His reality fully illustrated.
---Leon on 11/13/15


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"Nephilim is a noun for the "giants" ...fugitives, tyrants, LAWLESS BULLIES". The word "naphal" is a verb that described people who were bullies. Neither words has a thing to do with ANGELS." I believe otherwise. I believe Naphal is a verb use to describe the fallen angels state of being, and Nephilim is a noun that identifies their offspring, who caused others to fall through their adoration of them. "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them". They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Gen 6:4 NIV I am not attempting to change or contradict your view, I am simply explaining mine.
---josef on 11/13/15


\\"The so-called "angels' food" described in Ps. 78:25 was a figure of speech used to describe a substance that fell from heaven of which the Hebrews, for want of a better name, called manna or "what is it?"" And the Psalmist under the inspiraation of The Spirit called it Angel's food. What makes you think it was a figure of speech?\\

This is seen as a prophecy of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist by the pre-Reformation churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/13/15


Leon, perhaps you're right. But I'll stick with my view.
---john1944 on 11/13/15


"Josef: Angels are spirit beings. Spirit beings don't/can't mate with human beings". And you know that how?
The only human-like bodies angels have are the ones God makes for them to inhabit while they do His will upon Earth." And you based on what leon?
"The so-called "angels' food" described in Ps. 78:25 was a figure of speech used to describe a substance that fell from heaven of which the Hebrews, for want of a better name, called manna or "what is it?"" And the Psalmist under the inspiraation of The Spirit called it Angel's food. What makes you think it was a figure of speech?
---josef on 11/13/15


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Hi Leon, sorry to be so slow to answer. I work a lot!!!

sons of God: The word sons here is the Hebrew word "ben" and has a multitude of meanings including: sons, daughters, anointed ones, and subjects, to name a few.

Also refer to Job 38:7. Please note that when God fastened the foundations of the world man had not been created.

Last of all, in Job 1:6, I do not see any indication that the sons of God or Satan came to present themselves to God here on earth. It would make more sense that they presented themselves to God in his throne room in Heaven. Just my thoughts.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 11/13/15


///Leon, mine was the very first comment below. That's what I believe.---john1944 on 11/12/15///

John: What throws me is you say, "God called a meeting of the angels". In other words, He summoned them together. I don't believe that's what Job 1:6-7 says.

I believe the "sons of God", in that day, were actually Job & other God fearing people who met regularly to worship the Lord, & God descended to Earth to savor & inhabit the praises of His people. Satan showed up in their midst to work evil. The talk between Spirit God & spirit Satan took place unbeknownst to the sons of God. During the talk, God I.D.'d Job to Satan. Not being omniscient, Satan wouldn't have known who Job was...
---Leon on 11/12/15


Josef: Angels are spirit beings. Spirit beings don't/can't mate with human beings.

The only human-like bodies angels have are the ones God makes for them to inhabit while they do His will upon Earth. When in human form "God's servant angels" can eat our food. The so-called "angels' food" described in Ps. 78:25 was a figure of speech used to describe a substance that fell from heaven of which the Hebrews, for want of a better name, called manna or "what is it?"

Nephilim is a noun for the "giants" (Gen. 6:4) aka "fugitives, tyrants, LAWLESS BULLIES". The word "naphal" is a verb that described people who were bullies. Neither words has a thing to do with ANGELS.
---Leon on 11/12/15


"Josef: Are you saying the angels created human, male bodies for themselves to inhabit & then they took, & procreated with human females?" No, they have their own bodies. Remember, man did eat angels' food and was sustained by it, and angels consumed ours. Psa 78:25>Gen 18:5-8
"But, in the flood their human bodies were destroyed?" No, the bodies of their offspring, the nephilim.
"By the way, you do know demons (fallen angels) take possession of male & female humans who open themselves to their control by rejecting the truth of God's word?" No, demons are the disembodied essence of the nephilim, not the naphal, they are currently being detained in tartarus, under watch.
---josef on 11/12/15


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Leon, mine was the very first comment below. That's what I believe.
---john1944 on 11/12/15


Josef: Are you saying the angels created human, male bodies for themselves to inhabit & then they took, & procreated with human females? But, in the flood their human bodies were destroyed? If that's so, why didn't they just make new bodies for themselves instead of existing in the form of demon spirits?

By the way, you do know demons (fallen angels) take possession of male & female humans who open themselves to their control by rejecting the truth of God's word?
---Leon on 11/12/15


///Leon, I was pulling your leg! :) ---john1944 on 11/12/15///

Ooookaaay! So, what do you really think John?

///John: Very interesting explanation. I'm curious. Please explain how you came to your conclusion? Thanks.
---Leon on 11/8/15
///
---Leon on 11/12/15


"The sons of God "angels" are talked about in other passages. This same angels are mentioned in Jude who are in prison. This produced an un-natural union which violated the God ordained order of human marriage and procreation before the flood." This is representative of my view as well. They are reserved for the fulfillment of their purpose during the tribulation, Mat 24:38. The angels sin, and the reason for their incarceration was leaving their given place of authority and purpose, by coming to earth, taking wives for themselves, and producing the nephilim. Although the bodies of the nephilim where destroyed in the flood, their spirits, or disembodied essence plague man to this day as demonic influences.
---josef on 11/12/15


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Leon, I was pulling your leg! :)
---john1944 on 11/12/15


///Perhaps the Sons of God were Neanderthals and the Daughters of Men were homo sapiens.---john1944 on 11/11/15///

Wow John! That's quite a leap from what you said on 11/8. I think what you've described is the fictional Planet of the Apes. According to what you say, wouldn't that make God the great ape "Caesar" if Neanderthals were sons of God? No doubt, you're fantasizing. Please don't let Satan make a monkey out of you. Job didn't!
---Leon on 11/12/15


Perhaps the Sons of God were Neanderthals and the Daughters of Men were homo sapiens.
---john1944 on 11/11/15


"G6 is the first time "sons of God" is mentioned. You say they weren't men, but were something other than. What then if you believe they weren't men nor angels as you've stated above?" I never said they were not angelic, simply that they were not men. What I said, if you re-read the post, is that "no where in scripture are angelic beings specifically referred to as "sons of God". " I'd hoped we could "reason together" on what the Bible actually says." That is my intent, which is the reason for the aforementioned statement, along with the explanation that followed it. "Obviously, What you believe stands in stark contrast to my beliefs." Obviously:o)
---Josef on 11/11/15


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Luke: I said nothing about All-knowing God not knowing. I believe God asking & Satan replying establishes the fact as to where he was at that time. Unlike you, I certainly don't have the prerogative to put words into Satan's mouth.

When you say angels could've easily taken the bodies of men & mated with women, do you mean "demon possession" versus angels actually materializing in & taking human form? Demon possession is very real (then & now). They very well could've inhabited wicked men back then. But, that would mean demon possessed, wicked men mated with women, NOT ANGELS! Think about it. If the "same angels" (DEMONS) are in prison, how could they be free to mate with women?
---Leon on 11/11/15


///...I must admit that no where in scripture are angelic beings specifically referred to as "sons of God".... the term "sons of God" in Gen 6 stands in contrast with the "daughters of men" as something other than human. [???]---Josef on 11/10/15///

Josef: I don't intend to argue with you either regarding your Bible understanding. I'd hoped we could "reason together" on what the Bible actually says. Obviously, What you believe stands in stark contrast to my beliefs.

G6 is the first time "sons of God" is mentioned. You say they weren't men, but were something other than. What then if you believe they weren't men nor angels as you've stated above?
---Leon on 11/10/15


Leon, you maybe forgot the nature of God. When God asked satan "from where do you come from" It doesn't mean God did not know from where he came from. Second after God asked him, he said "From going to and fro on the earth," If he was already on earth, why answer he was going to and fro on the earth. All he would have had to say, "I was here on earth walking around".
Concerning Gen. 6:2 The sons of God "angels" are talked about in other passages. This same angels are mentioned in Jude who are in prison. This produced an un-natural union which violated the God ordained order of human marriage and procreation before the flood. They could easily take the body of a man and procreate.
---Luke on 11/11/15


However, my Bible understanding is a "son" is one who has been made in the "Father's image. Leon I of course will not argue your biblical understanding. However, my understanding is "as many as received Him, [Jesus], to them He gave power to become the sons of God", which implies that before that time man is not considered a such. I must admit that no where in scripture are angelic beings specifically referred to as "sons of God". My view, concerning that, is based solely on Job 38:7 and the fact that besides man no other beings are mentioned, and the term "sons of God" in Gen 6 stands in contrast with the "daughters of men" as something other than human.


---Josef on 11/10/15


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"Josef: You're saying G6:4 "sons of God" were angels?" Yes, the fallen."The Bible nor does Strong's H1121 say that." The online Strongs does. "Angel-kind didn't/can't procreate with mankind (women)." Genesis 6:2-4 suggest otherwise. However you seem certain that they do not, just what is that certainty based on?
"Why the distinction between "morning stars" & "sons of God" if they're one & the same type of creatures?" Because the morning stars are not angels, they are lights that shine out of darkness. In Rev 2:28 Jesus said He will give the overcomer the morning star, "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God".
---Josef on 11/10/15


///"...Job 1:6-7."...The sons of God in this verse are angels...Men are not called "sons of God" until after the atonement. [???]...Gen 6:4 "sons of God" "[Sons, Strongs H1121 sons, as a characterization", i.e. "sons of men" [for men] or "sons of God" [for angels]".[???]...The sons of God were there when Father laid foundation of the earth. Job 38:4-11 Men were not.---Josef on 11/10/15///

Josef: You're saying G6:4 "sons of God" were angels? The Bible nor does Strong's H1121 say that. Angel-kind didn't/can't procreate with mankind (women).
---Leon on 11/10/15


Josef: Job 38:7 definitely is quite a conundrum. God alone can explain it. :) However, my Bible understanding is a "son" is one who has been made in the "Father's image". Where in Scripture does it say angels were made in God's likeness?

Why the distinction between "morning stars" & "sons of God" if they're one & the same type of creatures? Wouldn't it be repetitive to use two different terms to mean the same thing?

When the "sons of God" gather for praise & worship, in your church-house, doesn't God's glory come into your presence? God came into the world via His Son Jesus & yet "comes down" to inhabit the praises, & adorations of His people.
---Leon on 11/10/15


"Explain Job 1:6-7."? The verse stands as written. The sons of God in this verse are angels, they came to Him, not the other way around. Heaven is His throne, the earth is His footstool. Men are not called "sons of God" until after the atonement. The only place in the O.T. that the term is used in reference to man is Hos 1:10, and is used in the future tense. Gen 6:4 "sons of God" "[Sons, Strongs H1121 sons, as a characterization", i.e. "sons of men" [for men] or "sons of God" [for angels]". "Daughters of 'men'. [Men, H120 'adam' - "mankind, human being"]. The sons of God were there when Father laid foundation of the earth. Job 38:4-11 Men were not.
---Josef on 11/10/15


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Trey: Why do you believe the "sons of God" are angels?

///Satan...is not omnipresent.
---trey on 11/9/15///

Good point. Neither is he omniscient (all knowing), so for him to consider God's servant Job (Job 1:8), God would have had to point Job out to him. Otherwise, the devil wouldn't have known Job from Jeb, Jed or anyone else for that matter.

Now, where was Job? On Earth, of course. Where was Satan prior to God engaging him in conversation? On Earth (Job 1:7). So therefore, where was God? ON EARTH!

Finally, who were the sons of God in Genesis 6:2-4?
---Leon on 11/10/15


Cluny, that's off subject. But biblical concepts certainly develop over time.
---john1944 on 11/9/15


Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Sons of God, aka: angels.
Satan, aka: the That Old Serpent the Devil.

Satan goes to and fro seeking whom he may devour. He is not God. He is not omnipresent.
---trey on 11/9/15


\\The evolution of Satan from God's prosecuting attorney into the chief of the fallen angels is an interesting development.
---john1944.\\

Do you believe that Christian doctrine develops, john?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/15


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The evolution of Satan from God's prosecuting attorney into the chief of the fallen angels is an interesting development.
---john1944 on 11/9/15


///Satan said to the LORD, [he] came "From going to & fro on the earth, & from waking back & forth on it."

"your adversary the devil walks about [on the earth] like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (in 1 Peter 5:8)...---Bill on 11/8/15///

Bill: When God & satan talked, where do you believe they were at? Is it really likely satan (the evil spirit), after being thrown out of heaven, was freely able to go boldly back into God's presence, in heaven? Or, has he actually been exiled on earth ever since being defeated & expelled from heaven?

True, the Apostle Peter indicated (1 Pt. 5:8) satan is apparently "earthbound". Thanks for your inputs. :)
---Leon on 11/9/15


Satan said to the LORD, that Satan came "From going to and fro on the earth, and from waking back and forth on it."

"your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (in 1 Peter 5:8)

But possibly Satan was not trying to give Jesus a truthful answer. Possibly, he was doing what a naughty kid might do when asked what he has been doing >

"Oh . . . I've been doing . . . things."

"Oh, I've been just walking here and there."
---Bill on 11/8/15


///It's an interesting passage. YHWH has called a meeting of the angels. The Adversary is one of them. Asked what he'd been doing, he responded.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord , and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord , and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 1:6-7 KJV---john1944 on 11/8/15///

John: Very interesting explanation. I'm curious. Please explain how you came to your conclusion? Thanks.
---Leon on 11/8/15


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No matter what anyone else says, you will say he's wrong.

I'm sure you will do that for us, Leon.

There's your cue. Preach on.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/15


It's an interesting passage. YHWH has called a meeting of the angels. The Adversary is one of them. Asked what he'd been doing, he responded.


Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord , and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord , and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 1:6-7 KJV
---john1944 on 11/8/15


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