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Hypnosis A Form Of Sorcery

From my understanding, hypnosis is a form of sorcery, brain washing and mind control. This is not of God, but is of SATAN! If the Word Of Faith Movement is of God, and not Satan, why do they use these deceptive tactics on people?

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THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain [for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain].
3. Thou shalt sanctify the holy-day. [Remember the Sabbath-day to keep it holy.]
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his man-servant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle [ox, nor his ass], nor anything that is his.
-Martin Luther, Large Catechism
It seems that Catholics follow Luther closer than Protestants do.
---micha9344 on 1/5/16


/You all divided up the 1st Commandment and combined 9 and the 10th Commandment.\-Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/16
RSVCE
3 "You shall have no other gods before* me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth,
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbors."
-Even the Catholic Bible, as well as all other translations, have them this way.
-Why read it one way and proclaim it another?
---micha9344 on 1/4/16


but what about man-made alteration of the Ten Commandments? Got any of them? Which of your church fathers claims authority to change God's own handwritten Law?---jerry6593 on 12/11/15

None, so why did Martin Luther change the 10 Commandments?

Plus, only the words were changed around.

No 11 Commandment was given in the OT.

Count them and you will see both accounts are the same.

You all divided up the 1st Commandment and combined 9 and the 10th Commandment.

Even Luther knew people could count to 10.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/16


cluny ?????



---jerry6593 on 12/29/15


cluny: "But despite your claimed study of physics, you don't seem to be able to grasp the difference."

You're right. We didn't study faux-orthodoxy in Physics classes.

You said "What I have said in the past and say so now is that I have no problem with God working through natural processes." But what you don't seem to be able to grasp is that "God working through natural processes" is the very definition of Theistic Evolution.

Now I understand that NO Orthodox author wrote about TE, but what about man-made alteration of the Ten Commandments? Got any of them? Which of your church fathers claims authority to change God's own handwritten Law?


---jerry6593 on 12/11/15




\\I'll read the one that confirms Theistic Evolution\\

Once more you tell a lie about me and Orthodoxy--or rather the same lie you've repeated, though you've been corrected.

I never said that either I or the Orthodox Church have this as part of our faith.

What I have said in the past and say so now is that I have no problem with God working through natural processes He Himself set up.

But despite your claimed study of physics, you don't seem to be able to grasp the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/15


cluny: "I'll answer your question when you answer mine: Which Orthodox books have you read all the way through?"

How juvenile. I'm not the one calling your church authors false prophets. Tell you what I'll do. I'll read the one that confirms Theistic Evolution and declares that the Ten Commandments are subject to a man's changes, provided it's in English of course. Tell me which one that is.

Now, since you claim to get your info straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak), which EGW books have you read cover-to-cover?


---jerry6593 on 12/9/15


\\Bumf! \\

Please spell the word correctly: Bumpf.

I'll answer your question when you answer mine: Which Orthodox books have you read all the way through?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/15


cluny: "What I get about EGW is from the White Estate site and other SDA sites."

Bumf! (to borrow a word from your lexicon) No SDA website claims that she was a "false prophet" or that she was "equal to the Bible".

Again I ask: Which of her books have you read cover-to-cover?



---jerry6593 on 12/7/15


Samuel states, "That is not the types of meditation you advocate."

I am establishing the full meaning and for about the third time please show how the techniquesI mentioned are exclusively hypnotic and not inclusive.

Ever been in a Messianic Synagogue or read a Messianic Siddur?

All techniques I mentioned are practice during Torah Services.

The Shema for example is "Chanted." High-low Tones, the bowing of the body, the closing of ones eyes and the covering of ones face during venediction, and various movements of the body especially during the opening and closing of the ark.

Orthodox Jews practice as well.
---john9346 on 12/6/15




\\All you have read is SDA hate-sites\\

WRONG AGAIN!

What I get about EGW is from the White Estate site and other SDA sites.

I've told you this before.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/15


The mind is a very powerful organ. It retains EVERYTHING the five senses gathers (hear, smell, sight, taste and feelings). My uncle was a professional hypnotist in which he taught me a few things. For one, if a hypnotist makes a suggestion which is against what you strongly believe you will reject it. For instance, if a hypnotist suggest that you steal and your belief is against stealing, you won't do it. But your belief must be strong. Therapeutic hypnosis, on the other hand, can cause many mental issues. Man has been and is "brainwashed" every day.

As for the word meditation, it simply means to ponder, not verses, but instead whatever is written in context.
---Steveng on 12/6/15


cluny: "But I've read enough of her statements to know she's ,a false prophet."

Apparently not. All you have read is SDA hate-sites. Which of her books have you read cover-to-cover?



---jerry6593 on 12/6/15


I don't doubt that EGW was truly a woman.

But I've read enough of her statements to know she's ,a false prophet.

RN also wrote a book called "Secret of Lost Races" describing how antediluvian man had aircraft and modern technology. He also wrote a book about Jeanne Dixon.

Consider the source.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/15


trav: "You are missing the entire point of this false woman."

You know nothing of EGW. If you did, you wouldn't utter such lies. She taught that the Bible is the final authority - the true Word of God. You apparently don't believe that since you are in a cult that doesn't believe in the Ten Commandments or the Universal Flood of Noah.

How many of her books have you read? Years ago, a famous psychic debunker named Rene Noorbergen decided to debunk EGW. His book "Ellen G. White, Prophet of Destiny" chronicles his research and his subsequent conversion to a SDA. You should read it.


---jerry6593 on 12/4/15


But as she said Scripture is to be above her writing period.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/1/15

You are missing the entire point of this false woman.
The fact that you defend, admire, honor and obey her...has totally destroyed any credibility you have with any men that are men following Christ and the scriptures.
You are caught in a cult and your every post makes it more apparent...how committed you are to this cult you belong too.
The have lured you with a title or two and you went all in. Titles are worthless, more especially here, more especially again without substance.
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
---Trav on 12/2/15


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We are often accused of putting her writings equal to or above scripture.

We have had some a minority do that.

But as she said Scripture is to be above her writing period.

All must be subject to the word of GOD.

We make that clear in statement 18 of our 28 fundamental beliefs.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/1/15


Christian meditation is take a Bible verse and think and pray on it. To contemplate what it saying. To pray to our father in Heaven.

That is not the types of meditation you advocate.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/1/15


Jerry,

I have a question because I really want to know from you?

Do Seventh-Day Adventists believe Ellen G White's Writings are on the same level as the bible??

Can you tell me I hear various views?
---john9346 on 12/1/15


john: "I am not, but I believe you are."

How do you figure that? I'm not the one adding unwarranted meaning to the Scriptures - YOU are.



---jerry6593 on 12/1/15


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Jerry said, "You shouldn't make a religion out of a single word."

I am not, but I believe you are.

Unless you can show the techniques I mentioned are exclusive and not inclusive then lets move on to more productive discussions.

For the sake of the viewers/readers of this blog look up meditation in the Hebrew very beautiful practice God gave to us who are "Christians."
---john9346 on 11/27/15


//
The word meditate encompasses much which includes these techniques.

---john9346 on 11/26/15
//


You shouldn't make a religion out of a single word. The Bible verse that you grossly misquoted was endeavoring to encourage the consideration or pondering of the Holy Scriptures. It does not even remotely convey the concept of self-hypnosis, yoga-style meditation, chanting, or any such trash.


---jerry6593 on 11/27/15


The word meditate encompasses much which includes these techniques.
---john9346 on 11/26/15


john9345: "Well sir, in order for me to have committed an error you must show how the techniques are exclusively hypnosis."

Why is that? The issue is your having added words to the Bible that are not there. The subject is irrelevant.


---jerry6593 on 11/26/15


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Jerry said, "No John, I am correct independent of your intentions. You claimed that the Holy Scriptures said something that they do not say, and I called you on it. If you want to correct your statement, fine. But please don't attempt to excuse yourself by doubling down on the error."

Well sir, in order for me to have committed an error you must show how the techniques are exclusively hypnosis.



Also, the word "Meditate." in the Hebrew encompasses the whole being of an individual when focusing on a verse or verses.

Have you ever been in a synagogue or read a Siddur (Jewish Prayer Book)?
---john9346 on 11/23/15


Rob, the Word of faith Movement uses many tactics to fool the people in their churches. And since many already are fooled, they join in and others that were not fooled before, at a later time will join the other groups. Normally the way to learn what they are doing wrong, you have to listen to those members who left and want others not to fall into the same lies.
---Luke on 11/23/15


john9346: "You would be correct sir if I was using this verse to justify hypnosis of which I reject."

No John, I am correct independent of your intentions. You claimed that the Holy Scriptures said something that they do not say, and I called you on it. If you want to correct your statement, fine. But please don't attempt to excuse yourself by doubling down on the error.



---jerry6593 on 11/23/15


Jerry said, "
Sorry, but you grossly mischaracterize Josh 1:8. It makes no mention whatever of repetition, chants, eyes or bodily movements. Instead it commands that we "ponder" (Strong's) the "book of the law"."

You would be correct sir if I was using this verse to justify hypnosis of which I reject.

But as I stated prior, these techniques are not exclusive, they are inclusive to the users.

Early Church Fathers would have meditated using some techniques I mentioned ever heard of the Gregorian Chant?
---john9346 on 11/22/15


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john9346: "The closing of ones eyes, moving back and forward, repetitive words or phrases, low and high tones in prayer, song/chant are forms of meditation of which Scripture commands in Josh 1:8."

Sorry, but you grossly mischaracterize Josh 1:8. It makes no mention whatever of repetition, chants, eyes or bodily movements. Instead it commands that we "ponder" (Strong's) the "book of the law".

Hypnosis, like its eastern religion meditation cousins is a technique to surrender the mind (the citadel of the soul) to external control - whether a hypnotist or a demon. Christians should have nothing to do with it.


---jerry6593 on 11/22/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Because you have an UNDERLINE PROBLEM. I know about your condition.

This is not a problem. Anyone can lower his heart rate (and perhaps his blood pressure) a bit by relaxing. My sudden drop was not a medical problem, but an act of stupidity, that anyone who exercises will know better than to do.

There is a name for that and you know it because a Doctor told you, I am sure.

I never saw a doctor about it, because it wasn't a medical problem.

I can't say what it is because of HIPPA.

HIPAA doesn't let you to divulge private medical information, but 1) I state this publicly, and 2) HIPAA doesn't forbid giving out general health information.
---StrongAxe on 11/13/15


Hypnosis is a form of enchantment, which doesn't have a good reputation in scripture.
Ecc 10:11 Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment, and a babbler is no better.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
-We are speaking of the enchanter and the charmer.
-Sorcery, OTOH, is more along the lines of what we would call alchemy, what we now call pharmacy.
Greek, pharmakea, meaning sorcery in scripture, pharmacy in modern English.
---micha9344 on 11/12/15


I can lower my heart rate dramatically by closing my eyes and relaxing. I once passed out in college because I suddenly went from strenuous exercise to a dead stop without any cooldown, and my blood pressure dropped dramatically.---StrongAxe

Because you have an UNDERLINE PROBLEM. I know about your condition.

There is a name for that and you know it because a Doctor told you, I am sure.

I can't say what it is because of HIPPA.

When I have patients like you I have to watch you when you go to the bathroom, because you can past out.

Not everyone has that problem. It is a health issue that is VERY RARE.

I am talking about the average patient.

They can't close their eyes to lower their blood pressure.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/12/15


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Nicole_Lacey:

You said: I have been a Nurse for 20 yrs. I know what Upper Management has tried to MAKE us do in place of tradition medicine, and trying again today.

What "traditional medicine" is varies constantly. 200 years ago it was leeches.

Telling someone to close their eyes as I rub their arm isn't going to make their blood pressure go down in 5 min.
That's right, it's called a Heal Note in Government's records.


I can lower my heart rate dramatically by closing my eyes and relaxing. I once passed out in college because I suddenly went from strenuous exercise to a dead stop without any cooldown, and my blood pressure dropped dramatically. This is science, not hogwash.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/15


Nicole,

Again, reread what I said then we can discuss.

If you will not lets just stick to blog question.

Thanks,

John
---john9346 on 11/11/15


Rob,

question

Was your blog about segregation in the churches deleted??
---john on 11/11/15


Strongaxe, I have been a Nurse for 20 yrs. I know what Upper Management has tried to MAKE us do in place of tradition medicine, and trying again today.

Telling someone to close their eyes as I rub their arm isn't going to make their blood pressure go down in 5 min.
That's right, it's called a Heal Note in Government's records.


John, you wasted a post. Why didn't you answer me as I answered you with a debate on your own words?

I gave a reason why you could not compare the two.
You just gave me empty words.

I gave you CREDIT for knowing the source of one, but not for the comparison of both chants.


I still didn't laugh, Leon. Sorry, but jokes isn't your strength.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/11/15


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Nicole said, "How dare you compare Buddhists chant with Gregorian chant."

Ma'am, pay attention to the context of what I said then we can have a discussion.

Learn to listen and read what others are saying before replying learn to respond not react...
---john9346 on 11/11/15


///...Leon, your jokes are not funny. Sorry to tell you that, but just debate and stop with your kids play. Only Adults on CN---Nicole_Lacey on 11/11/15///

N_L: Does this mean we're not friends? :D Please stay out of grown folk's business & grow up!!!
---Leon on 11/11/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Medicine today is using hypnosis as a new age science.
They started in the early 90's when I was a young Nurse.
Christian recognize it and put a stop to it. ... Satan finds any means of getting into your mind.


Many who call themselves Christians are so hyper-vigilant, that they see a demon under every rock, even when it isn't there. Their lives are motivated more by a fear of Satan than a love of God. C. S. Lewis once wisely noted that there are two major errors that people make regarding demons. One is to ignore them entirely, and the other is to take too much of an interest in them. Sadly, many people, in order to avoid doing the former, fall into the trap of doing the latter.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/15


Nicole, I learned something new from you.

In the 70's-80's I was in the Army Medical Corps.

I was unaware that HYPNOSIS was being used on patients in the 90's.

This shows we are never to old to learn, and that we can learn from those who are younger.
---Rob on 11/11/15


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For example, Buddhists chant and so do Jews in fact gregorian chant comes from Judaism.---john9346 on 11/10/15

How dare you compare Buddhists chant with Gregorian chant.

(I am impress you knew the Catholic Chants originated from the Judaism Chants)

But one BIG difference,

In the hypnosis and in the Buddhist chants you are taught to CLOSE your eyes.

Not so with the Judaism or Gregorian Chants.

You eye are wide opened.

Beside in hypnosis I never heard someone to say a word while their eyes are closed.

Leon, your jokes are not funny. Sorry to tell you that, but just debate and stop with your kids play.

Only Adults on CN
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/11/15


Leon,

Rob,

I do not find the practices/techniques you are referring to demonic.

The closing of ones eyes, moving back and forward, repetitive words or phrases, low and high tones in prayer, song/chant are forms of meditation of which Scripture commands in Josh 1:8.

It is common for a cult or group to "High Jack." certain practices/techniques, but by no means are the practices/techniques exclusive to that cult or group.

For example, Buddhists chant and so do Jews in fact gregorian chant comes from judaism.
---john9346 on 11/10/15


///...The tactic of their using hypnosis is very subtle, and I don't think most people know it is being used on them.

If you want to know more, read what Leon wrote on 11/9/2015. I will also add to what Leon wrote, the way they use the tone and inflection of their voices, along with how they prance back and forth...---Rob on 11/9/15

Rob: You mentioned prancing back n forth. That's exactly right. They move back n forth just like a pendulum (or a watch on a chain swinging back n forth, before your eyes) holding you in rapt attention (mesmeried, bedazzled, charmed, captivated, fascinated, transfixed, enchanted, fascinated, HYPNOTIZED, BEWITCHED!!!.
---Leon on 11/10/15


With an experienced licensed professional, there CAN be therapeutic uses of hypnotism...
Of course, anything that has a proper use can be perverted
--Cluny on 11/9/15

Rob is correct.

Medicine today is using hypnosis as a new age science.
They started in the early 90's when I was a young Nurse.
Christian recognize it and put a stop to it.

Now with Obamacare, it is coming back.

Satan finds any means of getting into your mind.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/10/15


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John, at one time I myself was caught up in the WOF. I am thankful it was only for a very short time.

The tactic of their using hypnosis is very subtle, and I don't think most people know it is being used on them.

If you want to know more, read what Leon wrote on 11/9/2015. I will also add to what Leon wrote, the way they use the tone and inflection of their voices, along with how they prance back and forth.

If you want to know more, and the truth, Google Churches use Hypnosis!
---Rob on 11/9/15


You don't understand too much, do you, Rob?

With an experienced licensed professional, there CAN be therapeutic uses of hypnotism.

However, I will agree that I've seen something like hypnotic induction in what my father called the Full Belly Itching Ears Fellowship International.

Of course, anything that has a proper use can be perverted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/15


Rob/John: I also was at one time in the WOF movement. I don't know if it was actually hypnosis, but the seductive praise music, verbal mantras & ministerial instructions to "close your eyes, empty your mind of self & let 'the spirit' have his way", to me certainly seemed like a form of mind altering manipulation/control. By earnestly seeking Bible truth, I discovered it wasn't a normal Bible practice & was quite dangerous to people on many levels.
---Leon on 11/9/15


Rob:

You wrote: From my understanding, hypnosis is a form of sorcery, brain washing and mind control. This is not of God, but is of SATAN!

Where do you get this understanding? Hypnosis relaxes the mind. The mind is concious of what goes on. One doesn't follow suggestions unless one agrees with them.

If the Word Of Faith Movement is of God, and not Satan, why do they use these deceptive tactics on people?

Can you cite references that show the Word of Faith movement uses hypnosis?

On the other hand, preachers and politicians of many different beliefs harangue their followers, and these people only follow them if they are already prepared to believe what they teach (e.g. "itching ears").
---StrongAxe on 11/9/15


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Rob,

Can you explain how the word of faith uses hypnosis.

I am a former word of faith and am aware of the teachings and hypnosis is not one of them.
---john9346 on 11/9/15


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