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What was the earth like before Genesis 1:2? In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:1-2 KJV

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Read Genesis 1:2 and it tells you what the world was like before Genesis 1:2.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning...
Anytime we count something from the beginning, we use the number "1".
So, "in the beginning" was day 1 (vv1-5).
God created the Earth without light, so He gave it light(vv3-5).
He created it without form, as liquid is, so He formed it (vv6-10).
He created it empty, so He filled it (vv11-27).
He also created the ordinary day (v5), defined it(v5), gave us the tools to measure it (v14), and then put us on earth so that we could see that it was an ordinary day by His works (v26).
First you make clay, then form it into a vessel, then fill the vessel.
You can also tell someone how long it took.
---micha9344 on 1/18/16


"What was the earth like before Genesis 1:2?"

The earth did not exist prior to the six day Creation event. In the formation of our world, God was not indebted to pre-existing matter.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is

The heavens and all the host of them, the earth and all things therein, are not only the work of His hand, they came into existence by the breath of His mouth.
---jerry6593 on 1/18/16


"Luke. the Bible says the earth is immovable and is set on pillars. I'm okay with that."

John, I hope you do not belong to those "Flat earth" advocates. They seem to add many passages together to proof their points. The "positive Atheism's" do that very well. Just wondering. I hope you have a great Thanks Given.
---Luke on 11/26/15


Everyone, have a great holiday season. I'll be back in January. Blessings to all of you!
---john1944 on 11/24/15


StrongAxe: "But talking to such people is pointless"


You may be right. Talking to such people seems pointless.



---jerry6593 on 11/25/15




Jerry, whatever works for you. I'm okay with that too.
---john1944 on 11/24/15


jerry6593:

I said: people on here have strong preconceptions

You said: I realize that. So did the people in Jesus' day, but they were wrong. The Bible describes such as "obdurate" and having "hardened hearts".

I realize that. But talking to such people is pointless, because it wastes their time, and mine, as nothing will come of it. As the saying goes, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It won't work, and annoys the pig".

I would still like to know why you disbelieve the six-day Creation account of the Bible.

Please show me one post on any of these blogs where I have said that I disbelieve the six day Creation account of the Bible.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/15


StrongAxe: "people on here have strong preconceptions"

I realize that. So did the people in Jesus' day, but they were wrong. The Bible describes such as "obdurate" and having "hardened hearts".

I would still like to know why you disbelieve the six-day Creation account of the Bible.



john1944:

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

I'm OK with that.



---jerry6593 on 11/24/15


Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
---micha9344 on 11/24/15


Luke. the Bible says the earth is immovable and is set on pillars. I'm okay with that.
---john1944 on 11/24/15




jerry6593:

You said: StrongAxe: You continue to focus on my "speech impediment" metaphorical joke while ignoring the core issue of your questioning the Bible's six-day Creation. WHY???

I thought you meant it seriously. I have no problem with it as a joke, but jokes don't make solid logical arguments. What you say may or may not be true, but the joke doesn't, in and of itself, prove it is.

It's pointless for me to discuss this core issue (or many others), because people on here have strong preconceptions, and nothing anyone says (on either side) will change anyone's mind. As "your statement is false" often falls on deaf ears, "your argument is not valid" is often the best I can hope for.
---StrongAxe on 11/23/15


John, if you read the Bible very slowly, and take it for a fact, it is exactly as His words say. Nothing else is said other then His word.
When it says:
The evening and the morning were in a certain day, believe it. He never mentions it took Him all day to do something.
I don't know why many of you add words.


"So evening and morning were ..."
---Luke on 11/23/15


//Is this discussion about Charles Darwin or about Charles Lyell?

---john1944 on 11/20/15 //


YES.




StrongAxe: You continue to focus on my "speech impediment" metaphorical joke while ignoring the core issue of your questioning the Bible's six-day Creation. WHY??? Is there something you don't want us to find out about you? Do you think that some other theory trumps the biblical account?


---jerry6593 on 11/22/15


Is this discussion about Charles Darwin or about Charles Lyell?
---john1944 on 11/20/15


It did not take God all day to perform a certain task, but it did happen on a certain day.
The task was instantaneous and which day the task took place was recorded.
The "speech impediment" argument is fallacious, but I'm still not sure why people place varying timeframes on the first 6 days of the existence of the universe and everything in it other than what is plainly read.
Exo 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is]...
---micha9344 on 11/21/15


jerry6593:

OK, I will try again, equally slowly (You see? You and I and God all have our good reasons for speaking slowly):

1) Who someone is, or what his motives are, are totally irrelevant to the validity of what he has to say. Words stand and fall on their own merits. 2+2=4 is true, whether Stephen Hawking says it, or Paris Hilton says it.

2) "If God took (whatever length of time longer than a few seconds) to speak creation into existence, he must have had a speech impediment" is a fallacious argument. It's just as fallacious for 1 day as for 100 million years.

3) I was attempting to correct you on your logic, not God on his truth.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/15


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\\I think you espouse long-age creation in order to validate Darwinism.\\

jerry, you've made it abundantly clear on these blogs that what you think only rarely corresponds to reality.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/19/15


StrongAxe: OK, I'll try again slowly.

God Himself wrote that He Created everything in six days, which He then commanded us to count and keep the seventh one holy. It is illogical to construe this command as anything but the common weekly cycle. Yet, you continue to contend that God might have meant millions of years rather than days. Why???? The only logical answer that I can come up with is that you want to force the Bible to comport with Darwinism.

Where is my logic faulty? And how is not your thinking an attempt to "teach" God what HE meant in Scripture?


---jerry6593 on 11/20/15


jerry6593:

You wrote: I think you espouse long-age creation in order to validate Darwinism.

I said absolutely nothing in either of my last two posts to suggest the validity or invalidity of young earth or old earth theories. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your logic.

If you say, "There is a car in the garage, therefore the sky is blue", I will say that is wrong - not because the sky isn't blue, but because the reasoning process is flawed.

Why do you fight so hard for the anti-Bible crowd?

I am not challenging the Bible. I challenge people who attempt to debate using broken tools (i.e. faulty logic).
---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


There was no Earth before Gen 1:2.
Gen 1:2 is the continuation of Gen 1:1, completing the sentence and describing what God had created.
---micha9344 on 11/19/15


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"All the miracles that Jesus performed were instantaneous (God was working through Jesus)."
Then you said:
"You have put limits on God. You surely know God, but deny his power."

Steven, before you try to correct someone, you should understand first the most important thing. Jesus Christ is God. You said God was working through Jesus. "Jesus is God." But since you do not believe in the Trinity, you sure don't understand who Jesus is. He is God and He is a Man.
" Jesus is one person with two natures. This is why He would grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) and yet know all things (John 21:17). He is the Divine Word that became flesh (John 1:1, 14)."
---Luke on 11/19/15


StrongAxe: "Just which doctrines, exactly, do you think I am espousing?"

I think you espouse long-age creation in order to validate Darwinism. There is no reason to question the clear meaning of Scripture otherwise. No one questioned its meaning until the time of Lyell/Darwin. Scientific evidence proves that the Bible - not Darwin - is true.

Why do you fight so hard for the anti-Bible crowd?


---jerry6593 on 11/19/15


jerry6593:

You said: StrongAxe: Now YOU are the guy who's basing his doctrine on what the Bible does Not say.

Just which doctrines, exactly, do you think I am espousing?

I was not stating a doctrinal position. I was using reducto ad absurdum to show how illogical it was for you to assume that if God took 100 million years before speaking words of creation he must have a speech impediment. Someone who can only speak 4 words in a 24 hour period has just as much of a speech impediment, but since YOU wouldn't accuse God of having one for 24 hours, how could you accuse him of having one for 100 million years? In both cases, he would be taking his own good time.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/15


Samuel, Nope:
But the New Testament points to a believers baptism for it is not the same as circumcision. Samuelbb7

COLOSSIANS 2:11-12
Paul is clear. As Circumcision was an OUTWARD sign of belief, so is Baptism an OUTWARD sign of belief.

We have a body for a reason.
As you have heard: 'Walk the Talk'.

God made the Jewish people do outward signs for EVERYTHING so they wouldn't forget WHY they believe the way they believe.

Why did God FORCE the Jews to ACT OUT the Passover year after year??
They were EXCELLENT at remembering.

So why not just make the children recite the Passover instead of both: acting?

Because God made us and KNOWS us very well.

Lip service isn't going to CUT IT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/15


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StrongAxe: Now YOU are the guy who's basing his doctrine on what the Bible does Not say.



---jerry6593 on 11/17/15


faith:

2Ti 3:16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


---jerry6593 on 11/17/15


Job asked the same question, but I don't think we should be concerned with knowing things like this because our intention should only be that we UNDERSTAND properly in order to WORSHIP properly. The only information that we really should be concerned is whether we have escaped/avoided being one of the "son of perdition" (John 17:12).Of course, MANY worshipers will argue and object about the church of man being this SON OF perdition, but wouldn't you be concerned that YOU have learned 2,000 years of perditious teachings?.

Really, don't get lost in tangents. Keep your eyes on Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
---faithforfaith on 11/16/15


jerry6593:

You said: Steveng: Good points! Since God spoke everything into existence, if it took 1000's or millions of years, then God has a severe speech impediment.

Yet it took him a whole day to say "Let there be light". Wouldn't that be considered just as much of a speech impediment?

Or perhaps he's capable of taking time between words, whether a day or thousands of millions of years?
---StrongAxe on 11/16/15


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Joseph, one view.

Jerry, another view.

And John and faith for faith a third view.

And there will be a fourth and a fifth

We are all entitled to our view concerning the non essentials. If you are looking for agreement, ask anyone here: Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.?
---joseph on 11/16/15


Steveng: Good points! Since God spoke everything into existence, if it took 1000's or millions of years, then God has a severe speech impediment.



---jerry6593 on 11/16/15


Joseph, one view.

Jerry, another view.
---john1944 on 11/15/15


faithforfaith wrote: "Each step might have taken 1,000 years or maybe even 1 million years ("Let there be light" was instantaneous)."

You assume too much. God spoke everything into existance. Everything God spoke was instantaneous. All the miracles that Jesus performed were instantaneous (God was working through Jesus). How long would it have take the water to turn to wine? How long would it take (even in today's medical profession) for a blind man to see? How long would it have taken to catch fish and bake bread to feed five thousand? How many years would it have taken to re-animate a dead body.

You have put limits on God. You surely know God, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 11/15/15


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"Joseph, what happened that it became "without form and void" in verse 2..."---john1944 on 11/14/15" Satan's rebellion. Before the earth was renewed for man, it was the dwelling place of the original sons of God, who are now messengers to man, now referred to as Angels. How do I know? Because Father said concerning Satan, "Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God.." Eze 28:13 That represented the earth in the first earth age. Why do I believe that? Because this is written concerning him, "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:.." Isa 14:13,14. That sounds to me like someone standing on earth looking up into the heavens.
---joseph on 11/15/15


The blog question is flawed. It assumes that the earth was created before the six literal days of Creation. The language of Gen 1:2 could be rendered such that the earth was initially created without form and void at the beginning of the six-day Creation. This reading is substantiated by God's own handwriting in Exo 20:11, as:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth ....

Thus the earth is clearly an integral part of the six-day Creation.


---jerry6593 on 11/15/15


Joseph, what happened that it became "without form and void" in verse 2. I can't figure it out.
---john1944 on 11/14/15


faithforfaith, that's sort of how I see it too.
---john1944 on 11/14/15


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"What was the earth like before Genesis 1:2?" John it was perfect, completely inhabitable. "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens, God himself that formed the earth and made it, he had 'established' it (Strongs H3559 'kuwn' - to be firm, be stable), he created it not in 'vain' (Strongs H3414 'tohuw' - formlessness or chaotic), he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD, and there is none else." Isa 45:18
---joseph on 11/14/15


The way I read Gen. 1 verses is that "In the beginning" the earth was simply a ball of matter in the universe, it was useless in that form and empty (void)....and then the creator performed the 7 steps of creation (each step is called a "DAY"/episode of the creation process). Each step might have taken 1,000 years or maybe even 1 million years ("Let there be light" was instantaneous).

Some teachings want to count only SIX steps of creation/EFFORT, but The Lord counts the 7th as INTEGRAL with the whole process.

So the universe DID EXIST before earth.
---faithforfaith on 11/14/15


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