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Condemned The Crusades

I've noticed that from time to time people here have criticized, if not outright condemned the Crusades. Were it not for Crusaders,you would be speaking Arabic and praying to Allah 5 times a day facing Mecca.

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He wasn't that true if he did that, Nicole.---Cluny on 11/24/15

I didn't think so at that time either.
We have spoken several years later.

He had plans to stay in America one way or another.
He apologized. But, in his mind he was being kind to me.
He didn't want to hurt me.

My best friend however, he didn't care about hurting her because he felt she couldn't be a TRUE friend to me if she was willing throw our friendship away on a man.

She dated him and married him within 30 days.

BTW, he now lives in Kuwait. He divorce her many years ago. He got his American Citizenship as he planned, but decided not to live here after all.

As I see it, God shielded me from both of them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/15


Trav:...rants against the vast majority ....
---StrongAxe on 11/24/15

Against "the vast majority" huh. A politically numerical opinion, in other words. Mat_7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate...
If I didn't care, love, have empathy, recognize myself, I wouldn't post scripture that rebukes blind/false actions. The other choice is, being quiet, a fence straddler. Politically correct such as yourself, while the blind march into a pit.
The scriptures I post are scriptures you've never considered or seen.
Now when one prefers blindness...onus is on them.
Pro 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous, him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
Pro 24:25
---Trav on 11/25/15


Nichole, I do believe there is something in the Bible about being unequally yolked to an unbeliever. A relationship that doesn't even have a foundation of mutual faith is surely doomed.
---Jed on 11/25/15


/Why would a Catholic or any Christian date a Muslim?\-Jed on 11/24/15
/It isn't in the Bible saying I can't.\-Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/15
2Co 6:14-17 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God, as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them], and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing], and I will receive you,
---micha9344 on 11/25/15


\\Only TRUE boyfriend I ever had in my life. (He dropped me and married my best friend to stay in America)\\

He wasn't that true if he did that, Nicole.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/24/15




Why would a Catholic or any Christian date a Muslim? ---Jed on 11/24/15

Why not?

It isn't in the Bible saying I can't.

You were correct about gambling, but now you ask this question?

For one thing, only the Muslims men TAKE me SERIOUS about 'NO relations' before marriage.

Christians Men think they can CHANGE your mind.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/15


Why would a Catholic or any Christian date a Muslim?
---Jed on 11/24/15


Nicole, if your bishop knows Obama's a Muslim, he should warn his flock.---john1944 on 11/21/15

I dated a Muslim for 6 months 22 years ago.
Only TRUE boyfriend I ever had in my life. (He dropped me and married my best friend to stay in America)

Almost dated another Muslim one 8 years ago.

Never dated a Christian Man. I tried, but I haven't met one yet.

Now, I talk to Muslims, eat lunch with them.
Work side by side with Muslims.

Guess what?

POPE FRANCIS DOESN'T CARE!

Again, stop watching movies.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/15


Trav:

Your constant vituperative rants against the vast majority of those who identify as Christians (and some of whom end up dying because of their faith) saddens me.

Are these people your enemies? You certainly don't treat them as friends.

If they are your enemies, then as Jesus exhorted, you should love your enemies, and not constantly scream accusations and condemnations at them. Shame on you. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Would you actually ENJOY having others call you apostate and a heretic? If not, you shouldn't do that to others.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/15


Happy, T/giving, Trav. Enjoy thanking God that you are not as other men.
---Cluny on 11/24/15

You are a blessing. I am sheepdog thankful for the opportunity's you make to post scriptural truth for "sheep". If error can be avoided through you by others. Then you are a blessing.

Tit_2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
---Trav on 11/24/15





\\Who cares what they think.\\

Are you saying you don't care how Christians are being treated by Isisites and other mahometan jihadistas?
---Cluny on 11/24/15


I can't tell if you're purposely feigning ignorance or if you actually have a severe reading comprehension deficiency. He asked who cares about the Orthodox and Catholic Church's opinion. He said nothing about not caring about Christian being persecuted.
---Jed on 11/24/15


Trav is funny.
---john1944 on 11/24/15

You're the guy standing around grinning because you don't know what to say. Laughing at everything because you understand nothing, yet fear both sides.

Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Luk_6:25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
---Trav on 11/24/15


\\Who cares what they think.\\

Are you saying you don't care how Christians are being treated by Isisites and other mahometan jihadistas?

I guess I really shouldn't be surprised.

Happy, T/giving, Trav. Enjoy thanking God that you are not as other men.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/24/15


C'mon Trav, stop sugar-coating it and tell us what you really think.



---jerry6593 on 11/24/15


Trav is funny.
---john1944 on 11/24/15


Oddly, none of the media has interviewed Syriac Catholic or Syriac Orthodox church leaders in the USA about what they think. I wonder why.
---Cluny on 11/21/15

Oddly?
Who cares what they think. It would not be scriptural regardless. You as our worthiest online ortho-doc's example. What is to wonder? Even the Catholics couldn't bear the ortho's. And the Protestants freedom from popes, superstitions and false authority will never align with either of you.
Ortho-catho's guard the ancient control they have over their superstitious, easily swayed followers.
May their "occasion always be denied them.
2Co_11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
---Trav on 11/23/15


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"Good point. Thing of it is, St. Telemachus neither stood by nor defended himself."

Cluny, the point is he took action that led to change...

He wasn't a Passivist and neither were the crusades.
---john9346 on 11/22/15


Ruthanna:

You quoted: "...be ye wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16a).

Agreed. One must take this in its entirety. Many liberals are experts at the latter while ignoring the former, while many conservatives are experts at the former and neglect the latter.
---StrongAxe on 11/22/15


Nicole, if your bishop knows Obama's a Muslim, he should warn his flock.
---john1944 on 11/21/15



Adult males, not necessarily single adult males. I would imagine that most families capable of walking across half a continent would have to be fairly physically fit - e.g. parents in the 20-35 range.

---StrongAxe on 11/20/15


No, that's mostly single adult males. Besides, what kind of father flees for his own life and leaves his wife and children behind to face certain death? Perhaps one who lives in such a culture where wives and children are treated as worthless slaves.
---Jed on 11/21/15


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In case StrongAxe missed it, there was an interesting article on CNN today. Police have reported that a group of Muslim Syrian migrants on a ship bound for the U.S. killed and threw 12 passengers overboard. The reason: Those 12 passengers were Christians. Are these the wonderful moderate Muslims that our president speaks of? Or the widows and three year old orphans?
---Jed on 11/22/15


I agree, wisdom is paramount.

That includes making sure we are not just taking in a Trojan horse under the guise of refugees. But to me that is totally different from the crusades.

"...be ye wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16a).

I believe the mission of the Christian is to spread the Gospel, sharing Christ's love.

I believe most would agree that we want to help those who are genuine refugees and provide hope and shelter for them.

If they're not though, I wonder what would happen if the majority of Christians would follow the teaching of Scripture and show them sincere love and bless them and do all the good that we possibly can for them? (Matthew 5:43-46 and Luke 6:27-36.)
---Ruthanna on 11/21/15


\\Jed:

You said: Where did you get that idea? 75% of the Syrian refugees are adult males between the ages of 24 to 35.

Adult males, not necessarily single adult males.\\

Of the 2,000 Syrian refugees currently in the USA, only 40 are bachelors of military age.

Fifty-three are Christians.

Oddly, none of the media has interviewed Syriac Catholic or Syriac Orthodox church leaders in the USA about what they think. I wonder why.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/21/15


Thanks. Does your bishop know this?---john1944 on 11/20/15

Why?

You think he is going to send the Swiss Guards against me?

You watch too much movies.

Most of the Muslims Terrorist are Marry Men.
Their families are care for very well.
That is part of their culture.

The men: THEY CONSIDER been martyrs are told the rest of the communities will care for their families as payment.
Plus, the family enjoy being celebrities.
They did a documentary about those families left behind.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/15


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Jed:

You said: Where did you get that idea? 75% of the Syrian refugees are adult males between the ages of 24 to 35.

Adult males, not necessarily single adult males. I would imagine that most families capable of walking across half a continent would have to be fairly physically fit - e.g. parents in the 20-35 range.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/15


Thanks Jed for the breath of sanity. These left-wing Democrats love their Party and their president more than their country. Where is their outrage over the Christians who have been brutally slaughtered by this barbaric hoard? Why do they continue to love the traitor-in-chief who armed the Muslim Brotherhood, let Americans die in Benghazi, helped to destabilize Egypt, refused to come to the aid of moderate Iranians, armed ISIS in Syria, and pulled our troops out of Iran in order to make it easier for ISIS to invade?

And by the way, you syrupy liberals, Muslims also use women and children to bomb innocent people.

It is a sad day when France shows more courage than the USA.



---jerry6593 on 11/21/15


\\You know Telemachus the monk actually struggled with this question "Should we defend ourselves or just stand by and watch."\\

Good point. Thing of it is, St. Telemachus neither stood by nor defended himself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/20/15



The refugees aren't just "armies of young men", but mostly families (and yes, there are likely a fair number of single young men among them too, and a small few terrorists among those). ---StrongAxe on 11/20/15


Where did you get that idea? 75% of the Syrian refugees are adult males between the ages of 24 to 35. This statistic is straight from the U.N., not Rush Limbaugh or Fox News. The rest are mostly young women of the same age. When do all these families and children that you speak of arrive? All the pictures I have seen look like young adults that are covered in piercings and tattoos.
---Jed on 11/20/15


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Brendan said, "Are we living by common sense rationalizations or by faith?"

I sincerely hope both because God gave us both to live...

You know Telemachus the monk actually struggled with this question "Should we defend ourselves or just stand by and watch."

If Telemachus had stood by, the gladiators would have continued.
---john9346 on 11/20/15


Darlene_1:

The refugees aren't just "armies of young men", but mostly families (and yes, there are likely a fair number of single young men among them too, and a small few terrorists among those).

ISIS claims responsibility for many terror attacks (even ones it is not responsible for), as it hopes these will polarize the west against ALL Muslims, so no Muslims will feel safe unless they go to Iraq (or become martyrs). This will set the stage for the Apocalypse, when the Dajjal (Muslim Antichrist) will arise to persecute Muslims, but then Isa (Muslim Jesus) will return, defeat Dajjal and conquer the infidels (i.e. us).

They WANT to persecute, sacrifice, and murder their own, just to bring about the end of the world.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/15


But Darlene where is the majority of those entering shown to be lone men. The Majority I see and hear are women and children.

Why is fear mongering the voice so many listen too?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/20/15


Nicole, you've convinced me Obama's a Muslim. Thanks. Does your bishop know this?
---john1944 on 11/20/15


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\\cluny, what hard evidence do you have that B.O. is in fact a Christian?\\

I never said he was, and frankly, I don't care. While I didn't vote for him, we do elect a COMMANDER-in-Chief, and not a CHRISTIAN-in-Chief.

\\ His administration is packed with Muslims.\\

Name three. And then tell me where they are constitutionally barred from public office because of their faith.

YOU were the one claiming Obama is a mahometan. Therefore it's up to YOU to prove your statement.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/20/15


Obama lets his wife and daughters run around without head scarves. I'm rather shocked by that.---john1944

Of course not. It's a dead give away they are Muslims.

They claim they are Christians, but oddly stopped going to Church upon winning the 1st election.

Going to Easter Services only when the Media asks them.


As for the Jewish people.
I know for a fact the Vatican in WWII saved close to a million Jews.

Cited by Jewish people thanking the RCC and going to Pius XII's funeral as a gesture of Thanks.

Google this as evidence:

Jewish gratitude for the Help of Pope Pius XII who helped them against the perverse regime of the Nazis.

"The People of Israel will never forget"
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/20/15


Strong Axe Pardon,I know you weren't speaking to me about the color of skin but I want to say I don't object to families,it's all the lone men that are being shipped to all Countries which are receiving refugees. For the most part they are the ones causing the trouble in Europe,therefore,it stands to reason we may well see the same thing in America. My thought for all Christians get your life completely right with God,be in prayer,building yourselves up in the most Holy Ghost,seek God's help in whatever situation arises ,be ready for anything before it happens. Quote the Word,pray the Word and immerse ourselves in the Spiritual walk with God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/20/15


StrongAxe,

Like jed said, it is the following we are up against:


[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth among those who received the scripture, until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

Sura 9 (Koran)
---john9346 on 11/20/15


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Cluny, I fail to see how my statement, "I'm ready to die. They're not" shows that I don't know anything about Islam. I realize that they believe they will be rewarded in the next life if they kill the infidels and die fighting for the cause of Allah. However, they are not truly ready to die because they are not saved by the blood of Jesus and are yet in their sins. They can only be truly ready to die when they repent and turn to Christ for cleansing and salvation just like the rest of us must in order to be ready to die.
---Ruthanna on 11/20/15


[9:30] The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of GOD," while the Christians said, "Jesus is the son of GOD!" These are blasphemies uttered by their mouths. They thus match the blasphemies of those who have disbelieved in the past. GOD condemns them. They have surely deviated.


[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.

Sura 9 (Koran)
---john on 11/20/15


John 9346 said, "Why, in common sense rationalization sanity, would you give your enemy a open door to kill you..."

Are we living by common sense rationalizations or by faith?

While I personally agree with the idea of not letting Syrians in, that is not who we are! We have always welcomed immigrants. (Once they got here we might not have treated them properly, but that is a different issue.)

However, we are called to love, and not hate. Every day when I watch the news, I have to stop and pray for the souls of all people who have died that day, and ask God to have mercy on their souls, and the people who killed them.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/20/15



No, but I wouldn't protest in paranoid fear if someone moved next door, just because of the color of his skin.

---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


How about because his believes in Sharia law and thinks that it's okay to kill you and rape your wife and behead your children because they are Christians? I don't know anyone who oppose Islamic refugees simply because of the color of their skin. You're simply lying about that. It's their beliefs and culture that are the reason. Interestingly, you protest the existence conservative Christians simply because they oppose the redefinition of marriage, yet you want to bring in people who want to actually stone and behead same-gender couples! Your double-mindedness is astounding.
---Jed on 11/20/15


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Correction: my last post was supposed to say, "they need Jesus and His love" not "live". Sorry about that. I'm not saying we should never defend ourselves ... But I don't think the answer is to kill and destroy the lives if people that Jesus came to save. Blessings to all in Christ. Shalom.
---Ruthanna on 11/19/15


john9346:

You said: 1. The statement "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". has to do with paying taxes.

This statement was more general than that. After all, when was the last time you handed your paycheck to God? If the second part was metaphorical, so was the first part.

2. Yet many who were given the choice of dying in the coliseum, or simply burning a piece of incense to Caesar, chose the former.

Sir, I hope if you had a home full of young children, you wouldn't just let a strange man you know nothing about just move in to your home.

No, but I wouldn't protest in paranoid fear if someone moved next door, just because of the color of his skin, or the accent of his voice either.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


Strong Axe I think you are reaching now but if thats what you want to do thats fine but not me. God sent Israel into battle more than once and they won,David had a weapon,a slingshot and rock whatever the Christians did going into the arena to be killed was then and was for that time. Besides I have loved ones who aren't saved and I would do everything in my power to see they had the chance to receive God. Christ was talking about taxes wasn't he that was all that was Caesars. I have no thought of not fighting someone who tries to harm me or mine. Please give me the chapter and verse that says the kind of enemy Christian or not. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/19/15


cluny, what hard evidence do you have that B.O. is in fact a Christian? Just his lying word? His administration is packed with Muslims. Every act he does benefits Muslims and hurts Americans. He is indeed a Manchurian Candidate. What will it take to open your eyes? Another American blood bath?


---jerry6593 on 11/20/15


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\\And I'm ready to die. They're not.\\

You're showing you know nothing about mahometanism, Ruthanna. They make a cult of death. A verse from the Coran praises those who "killed and are killed" for their horrible death-loving cult.

Their leaders say, "We love death." Of course, they do. That's because they hate God, Who said through Solomon, "All who hate Me love death."

Why else do they exercise their jihadism with suicide bomb vests? Because they want to see their grandchildren's wedding?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/20/15


Amen Ruthann

Jerry We know that our church should work for the good of all. Allowing ourselves to be sucked into following political rhetoric and conspiracy theories will not do us any good. We need to be pointing all people to Jesus. We as a church have had a better entry to Muslims than many other churches. I have been able to witness to Muslims many times. We cannot let fear rule over what Jesus commanded.

Agape and Happy Thanksgiving to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/20/15


Cluny said, "I've noticed that from time to time people here have criticized, if not outright condemned the Crusades."

Well, the crusades were 100 percent justified, the Muslim Army was on a conquest "Convert or die."

The crusades also offered protection to the Jews and many who were asking for help to stop the advancing Relentless Muslim Army.

Now was everything done good no, but war is never a pretty picture and just because the innocent die, it is only for the greater good.
---john9346 on 11/20/15


I'm sorry but I disagree. I don't believe that the crusades was the answer and I don't believe that without it we would now be Muslims. Jesus showed and taught the way of love. I don't believe that killing is the answer. I believe that the Muslims need Christ, His live and His salvation. Jesus Himself chose the way of peace and taught His people to walk in the same. He came to save men and that includes the Muslims. God loves them as much as He loves me. And I'm ready to die. They're not. My prayer for them is that they will see the Truth and embrace the way of Christ and His cross.
---Ruthanna on 11/19/15


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Strongaxe,

1. The statement "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". has to do with paying taxes.

2. The Early Christians did not just give up to die in Coliseums. Many of them fled in hiding for many years and did seek Military Protection and were spared.

As a last resort, they gave up calmly to die...

3. Matt 25:31-46 does not teach in context "Use not Common Sense."


Sir, I hope if you had a home full of young children, you wouldn't just let a strange man you know nothing about just move in to your home.
---john9346 on 11/19/15


It is doubtful that Obama is a Muslim. It is more likely that Obama is simply non-religious. He is his own god. In his mind there is no higher power than himself. Although one thing is clear from both his actions and his rhetoric. He is most definitely an Islamic sympathizer. It is clear that he views Muslims as a victim of white Christianity, and feels they need defending and protecting.
---Jed on 11/19/15


Darlene_1:

2000 years ago, Caesars worshipped pagan gods and enslaved nations. Did Jesus say fight them? No, he said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

Caesars even called themselves gods. When Christians were asked to burn incense to them, did they take up arms against the government, and die valiantly defending their rights and their loved ones? No. They went calmly into the Coliseum to be torn apart by lions.


john9346:

Have you ever read Matthew 25:31-46, the final judgment, especially verse 35 "I was a stranger, and you took me in"?

Just ask France and Israel and see what they will tell you.

I'd rather ask Jesus.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


Obama lets his wife and daughters run around without head scarves. I'm rather shocked by that.
---john1944 on 11/19/15


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jerry, what hard evidence do you have that President Obama is in fact a mahometan?

Have you seen him praying 5 times a day facing Mecca?

Have you seen him fasting during Ramadan?

Have you seen him avoiding pork?

Please be specific.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/19/15


John 9346 Thank you very much,I'm glad you saw what I meant. Strong Axe I can love the person and hate the sin,as God Himself does and He is my guide,I can pray for their salvation,I could even turn the other cheek personally and emotionally but don't let one threaten to hurt my loved ones because then the old mama tiger rears up in me and I would fight to death to protect them. It is still crazy to bring lone men,and yes,look at the news the men outnumber the women and children and families greatly,into our Country where they can kill whomever they please. Think about this if war breaks out in America Obama can stay in office,what better way to do that than bring possible killers into the Country. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/19/15


Strongaxe said, "Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek" come to mind..."

No sir,inviting the refugees from Syrian to come in to this country has nothing to do with loving or turning the other cheak.

Just ask France and Israel and see what they will tell you.

Would love to be a fly on the wall lol
---john9346 on 11/19/15


What will it take for the people of the US to finally grasp that we have been duped, and that B.O. is a closet Muslim (among other things) bent on the destruction of western civilization.



---jerry6593 on 11/19/15


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IN the 1930's the United States had very strict immigration laws. Alowing 27,000 jews per year. A bill to allow 20,000 children in proposed by Roosevelt failed.

Then there is the The turning point in mobilizing American Jewish opinion came in 1939 when the St. Louis, a refugee ship carrying close to a thousand Jews fleeing the Nazis terror in Europe, was denied admittance into the United States.

Prejudice against Jews is growing again in the world.

Yes the United States is a great country. But it has not always acted so. Just research history on Jewish immigration. It is facts you can find that will show the truth.

True 100,000 were allowed into Latin America. Until that number was curtailed in 1940's

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/19/15


john1944 wrote: Why, in common sense rationalization sanity, would you give your enemy a open door to kill you...

"Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek" come to mind...


Nicole_Lacey wrote: We took 100% ALL! I don't know where you get your leftist stats.

From facts.

Google: jewish children refugees america

The first page shows 1938 poll about what people thought about European refugees. 67% wanted to keep them out. Only 5% accepted them with open arms. In 1939 it was still 61% to 30%.

1976 film Voyage of the Damned is about a ship of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany that was refused at every port, including America.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/15


Darlene,

I absolutely agree with you Ma'am.

Obama's motive is not
for the good of us as americans or this country.

Why, in common sense rationalization sanity, would you give your enemy a open door to kill you...

"Stupidity." "Insanity."
---john9346 on 11/18/15


Remember WWII
Yes. 2/3 of Americans rejected JEWISH ORPHAN immigrants. See how well history remembers THAT. ---StrongAxe on 11/18/15

We took 100% ALL!

I don't know where you get your leftist stats.

The Jewish Children went to Latin America.
Many were in Europe still with other families.

We are a wonderful Country.

If President Obama would care for just once in his life he would say only the Children will be allowed to enter Girl up the age of 16 and boy up to the age of 13

100.000 would be placed in adoption homes within 3 days.

Lets take care of the Kids first. President knows we will take the children but he has a plan in his mind and he needs men with there poor refugees
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/18/15


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Thank you Strong Ax. Great points.

Who says most of the refugees are single men? From what I have read most are women and children. Not the false propaganda put out by hate mongers.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/18/15


Darlene_1:

Suppose EVERY refugee is a Muslim and every single one is an extremist, making them our enemies. What then? What did Jesus say to do to our enemies? Pray for them and bless them. What to do when they strike your face? Turn the other cheek. Christians seem to be so afraid of the security of their persons and their faith, that they have forgotten its actual teachings.



Nicole_Lacey wrote: NOPE, not illegally. You have ALREADY BROKEN THE LAW!

Yes, but you STILL get due process, no unjust imprisonment/foreiture, cruel and unusual punishment, etc.

Remember WWII

Yes. 2/3 of Americans rejected JEWISH ORPHAN immigrants. See how well history remembers THAT.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/15


What I must wonder about is why would our President/Homeland Security allow lone men to come into the USA when the usual method is to allow families. It seems very strange. I also wonder if this will become a battle for Christians to retain their beliefs and even churches. It is totally against the Christian American people to let 70000 Muslims or maybe 100000 of mostly lone men into the USA when their religion says to convert Christians to be Muslims and if they refuse kill them. What is the Presidents motive,I can guess it's no good,not for America. We Christians had better pray for deliverance from foolish men who disregard the well being of Americans and bring possible destructive elements into the Country. God help us all. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/18/15


Just to clarify:

The Constitution is a set of constraining regulations on the Federal Government - not the people.

The body of existing Federal, State and Local Law is that which restricts the actions of ALL people within our borders - citizens and visitors alike. Anyone who breaks these laws is by definition, a criminal, and is subject to the penalties assigned to that law. This is the same in most all countries. NO one gets to bring his own law with him - like Sharia. And anyone here illegally - even a child - is breaking a law.


---jerry6593 on 11/18/15


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//ANYONE on U.S. soil is subject to Constitution.//

NOPE, not illegally. You have ALREADY BROKEN THE LAW!
Enter LEGALLY like all the rest.

//Should we refuse all men?--StrongAxe on 11/16/15

Yes for 5 years and women as well because it ONLY takes one.

Children should be allow.
Remember WWII, how the Jewish people sent their children away NEVER to see them again, but DID SO TO make sure they were not KILLED?

You will do anything for your children if you TRULY LOVE them.
Including separating yourself forever.

1 Kings 3:26
The woman whose son it was, in the ANGUISH she FELT for it, said to the king, "Please, my lord, GIVE her the living child-please do NOT KILL IT!"
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Defend the Constitution for USA' CITIZENS ONLY!

ANYONE on U.S. soil is subject to Constitution.

It grants the federal government exclusive power over immigration issues. (Google: United States Refugee Act of 1980).

But as always you are VAGUE.

125 words makes it hard to supply details.

The bombers in France had a Syrian passport.

So did the 99.9% of Syrians who weren't bombers. They were also men. Should we refuse all men?

Now they are saying 'NO' until you (Federal) do your job making sure 100% of the Refugee have no intention of harming us their Host.

Sensible, but they have no statutory or constitutional right to say that.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/15


Republicans.many governors have said that, because of the Paris attacks, they would refuse to accept Syrian refugees...Public servants are required to take an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution.---StrongAxe

Defend the Constitution for USA' CITIZENS ONLY!

I live in Alabama 1/15 Governor saying no. But as always you are VAGUE.

Governor Bentley said no UNTIL all the refugees are properly check out.

The bombers in France had a Syrian passport.

Note the Governors didn't say anything about the refugees before France's bombing.

Now they are saying 'NO' until you (Federal) do your job making sure 100% of the Refugee have no intention of harming us their Host.

That's the least we can ask.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/16/15


Cluny:

You wrote: Exactly what discrimination are they preaching (in what way should the discrimination be) and who are they?

Just look at the news. Mostly (but not exclusively) Republicans. Only today, many governors have said that, because of the Paris attacks, they would refuse to accept Syrian refugees. Never mind that doing so would violate federal law, but far be it from them to allow federal law to get in the way of their own beliefs. Public servants are required to take an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution. It's unfortunate that they aren't also required to pass a test to make sure they actually understand what it says.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/15


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I disagree the Crusades stopped the Muslim advance.

The one in Spain did. Charles Martel is the Great Leader who stopped them.

But the Crusades into Israel did not stop the advance only slowed it.

Vlad Dracula is responsible for stopping much of their advance.

There is a good history in short form of the crusades on youtube. Ya'll should watch them. Extra history.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/16/15


\\ Many Politicians and others are calling for discrimination against Muslims. \\

Exactly what discrimination are they preaching (in what way should the discrimination be) and who are they?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/15


Many Politicians and others are calling for discrimination against Muslims.

Others are preaching hate instead of love.

We are to love others even our enemies. So should not show love and care to Muslims.

I have counseled some who had fallen to the fear mongering of some of the Demagogues who are trying to gain power and money through fear.

To do what Jesus did.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/15/15


Cluny:

You said: I've noticed that from time to time people here have criticized, if not outright condemned the Crusades. Were it not for Crusaders,you would be speaking Arabic and praying to Allah 5 times a day facing Mecca.

Many people today, in Christian nations, have abandoned Christianity, so why would it have been any different if, in the modern day and age, they had abandoned Islam instead?
---StrongAxe on 11/15/15


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If ISIS comes to rule America, Christian missionaries can reach them here, instead of trying to get through red tape to get into Muslim countries.--Bill

Easy for a man to speak.

Do you know what happens to WOMEN when ISIS enters a community?

They are raped, or forced to circumcision and married. OR all 3 above.

So, we women Christians must ENDURE all this waiting for Missionaries Christians to convert them?

ISIS kicked the Missionaries out of their territories.

So, now that they are in our own territories you believe they will NOW LISTEN to us Christians at the home front?

I don't think so, Faith comes from God.

ISIS isn't changing sides now that they crossed the great ocean to get to us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/15/15


\\General discrimination against Muslims can help turn them away to help jihadist groups.\\

And just where is general discrimination against Muslims happening?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/15/15


Were it not for the fourth crusade, the eastern and western churches might have reunited.
---john1944 on 11/14/15


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