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What Are Righteous Works

Do people do righteous works because they are righteous or do people do righteous works making them a righteous person?

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/Why do you believe Paul said in (Romans 2:5-10), "God will judge everyone according to their works"?\
But Paul didn't say that.
This is the 3rd time you have added or changed scripture to meet your view.
In Rom 2:5, God is judging the heart (stubborn and unrepentant)
v6 Rewards of works after sheep and goats separated.
vv7,8 Judgment of heart, vv9,10 Reward of works.
v7 Well doing is quantified here: seeking after God's promises. Faith in Him and Whom He has sent. Abraham's faith was counted to him as righteousness and shown by his works.
v8 The wrath of God to them that don't believe as shown by their works because they are already condemned.
vv9,10 I believe speak for themselves.
Physical vs. Heavenly.
---micha9344 on 12/16/15


"Micha
Why do you believe Paul said in (Romans 2:5-10),
"God will judge everyone according to their works"?"


God does judge everyone according to their works. Those who are saved, God will judge the good and the bad they have done. For the good they get rewards. For the bad, the bad things are burned. Jesus has paid for the believers sins. Believers go to the Judgment Seat of Christ.

But the lost will be judge by their works also. But their sins have not been forgiven. They will go to the Great White Throne of Judgment.
God is just, so the unbelievers will get exactly what they deserve in hell.
---Luke on 12/16/15


Luke & Samuel
I'll ask you the same question I asked Micha.

Why do you believe Paul said in (Romans 2:5-10),
"God will judge everyone according to their works"?
And which works, does he say, will condemn us, and which works, does he say, will bring us Eternal Life?

Also in the (Matthew 25:31-46) Parable, the keeping of the Lords commandments makes those who are saved,... Sheep.
If the keeping of the Lords commandments makes them sheep, how did you become sheep without "Good Works"?
---David on 12/16/15


Amen Micha

We work because we are children of GOD.

Luke 17:7-10
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken, and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/15/15


You jump from earthly rewards to the Heavenly Gift of Salvation.
Adoption requires belief and repentance.
The works we do show our belief, whose child we are.
We do not to good to get the free gift of salvation.---micha9344


Micha
Why do you believe Paul said in (Romans 2:5-10),
"God will judge everyone according to their works"?

Which works, does he say, will condemn us, and which works, does he say, will bring us Eternal Life?
---David on 12/15/15




David, also concerning John 14:21, does not say what you stated. Here is what you said,
"The Riddle
God loves us first, but why does Jesus teach in (John 14:21), We must love him first, before God the Father loves us?"
first of all it is not a riddle. It is a clear statement. And it does not say what you stated. Here Jesus emphasized the need for habitual practice of obedience to His commands as evidence of the believers love for Him and the Father (v-15). This is consistent with the teaching of James 2:14-26.
---Luke on 12/15/15


Concerning Adoption:
We are openly manifested as the children of God through our faith in Christ (Galtians 3:26) but our adoption took place before time began in the Eternal Covenant.

Scriptural Evidence:
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (KJV)

Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. (KJV)

They were given to Christ to save before the foundation of the world: Ephesians 1:4
---trey on 12/14/15


/It's when God treats us like his children, we will come to love him as a Father. And when we love him as a Father, he will adopt us as his sons.\-David on 12/13/15
You jump from earthly rewards to the Heavenly Gift of Salvation.
Adoption requires belief and repentance.
The works we do show our belief, whose child we are.
We do not to good to get the free gift of salvation.
/What comes first in (John 14:23), Salvation and then Works, or Works and then Salvation?\-David on 12/9/15
John 14:23 does not say :and then": It is not sequential.
v23...If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
This is the actions of the adoption upon belief.
---micha9344 on 12/14/15


...if we are obedient to the Lord in love and keeping his commandments he will reward us here in time with fellowship and blessings. ---trey

Trey
Exactly!
And that's the key.

Those rewards, rewarded by God the Father, for following his Son Jesus Christ.
And what are those rewards?
God simply taking care of our needs, and answering our prayers.

Simply put, God treating us like his children, because we act as his children. But without making Jesus our Lord, being obedient to his commands, we receive no such blessing.

It's when God treats us like his children, we will come to love him as a Father. And when we love him as a Father, he will adopt us as his sons.

---David on 12/13/15


David,
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (KJV)

For a man to have the commandments the Lord has to first write them in his heart. Heb 8:10 & Rom 2:14-15.

The remainder of the verse is simply stating that if we are obedient to the Lord in love and keeping his commandments he will reward us here in time with fellowship and blessings.
---trey on 12/12/15




Unless God changes a man's heart he will not love God. He will not choose God.--trey

Trey
I agree, but (John 14:21) is a conundrum, made a riddle by the false teaching many overlook. And it's very important for folks to solve this riddle, if they want some assurance of their salvation.

But it will only be solved when they make the teachings of Jesus Christ their foundation, instead of the false teachings of men.

The Riddle
God loves us first, but why does Jesus teach in (John 14:21), We must love him first, before God the Father loves us?
---David on 12/12/15


True we love GOD because He first loved us.

1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

But humans can refuse to love back. You can see this all the time. People who kill the ones or hurt the ones who loved them.

GOD does not force us to love Him.

We do right because of the love of GOD and others. By being Born Again we change from living in sin to living in love. But it is mostly a process. Just like babies are not adults. So new born Christians. Often have to work on being more loving.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/12/15


Hi David,

Using your logic and applying it to a rattlesnake. I could love on a rattlesnake all day long but it would still be in his nature to bite me.No matter how much love I show him he is still a rattlesnake. That's what God made him to be.

Unless God changes a man's heart he will not love God. He will not choose God. He will hate God. That is man's true nature. Romans 3:10-18.
The Apostle Paul in the book of Acts chapter 9 is a perfect example.

Here is another scripture for you:
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (KJV)

Just like you showed love to your dog and then he loved you. God shows us love and THEN we love him.
---trey on 12/11/15


Trey
Beagles are one of the most loving Dog breeds in the world. It's just the way God created them.

Recently, my Vet wanted to know if I wanted to adopt an unwanted, abused Beagle. Unwanted, because the Dog had become viscous.

I adopted this Beagle, because I knew with lots of love, he would become the loving Beagle, he was created to be. Today he is once again as he was created.

Adam (Man) was created to love and to serve God. Sin abused Gods creation, and sin causes us hate and be disobedient towards God.

Interestingly enough, the same thing that cured my Beagle, will also cure man. Through Jesus Christ that cure was made possible (John 14:21).
---David on 12/11/15


David,
1st John 4:19 We love him because he first loved us.

I see this love as a mirror. God shines down his love on us and then we reflect love back. Now if he loves everyone then everyone would love him. I think you and I are on the same page..???

Also here is another verse:
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. (KJV)

Who is the one making the tree?
---trey on 12/9/15


Most people do not remember this parable.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
Good evidence, (Luke 17:9,10) to support your claim, but you may have missed the point the Lord was making in the parable.

It's akin to the story in (Matthew 19:16-22). Keeping the Law of Moses was expected from the Children of Abraham. The Lords Commandments were kept out of duty, they were not kept out of their love for God or neighbor.

The Rich man in (Matthew 19) boasted about keeping the law, which God expected of him. When it reality, it was not works of the Law, but works of Love (Matthew 19:21), that would have brought him Eternal life (Romans 5-7).
---David on 12/10/15


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Righteous people do works because they are born again.

We must love first which requires we have been Born Again to do what is right. Doing right does not save. It is what we are supposed to do.

Luke 17:9,10
Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Most people do not remember this parable.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/15


When is it that we love God? Before or after belief in Him and Whom He sent?-micha9344

(John 14:23)
Jesus answered and said unto him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our Home with him."


Micha
What comes first in (John 14:23), Salvation and then Works, or Works and then Salvation?

If the passage you gave, (1John 4:9-11), reads as you believe it does, "God the Father, loves everyone", Why does (Romans 9:13) say God Hated Esau?
---David on 12/9/15


David, you must be missing something.
When is it that we love God?
Before or after belief in Him and Whom He sent?
Can one say they love God and not believe in His Son?
So, since we love God, we keep His commandments.
/Jesus teaches us the very reason, God loves us. The reason he gives, is because we love him.\-David on 12/8/15
This is a poor interpretation of the passage that conflicts with 1Jo 4:9-11 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. +v19
---micha9344 on 12/8/15


Our works account for nothing toward our salvation. Micha9344

(John 14:21) He that has My commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves Me, and he that loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him.


Micha
In the above passage, Jesus teaches us the very reason, God loves us. The reason he gives, is because we love him.

How do you read this?
Did he say, those who love him don't keep his commandments, or did he say those who love him keep his commandments?
---David on 12/8/15


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Faith is always required for salvation.Grace from God is always needed for salvation. Our good works are but filthy rags before a righteous God and also are unable to save us, we need Gods grace.
Righteousness comes from what Christ did not from what we do.
But there remains confusion about where in the plan of salvation do works come into play. The confusion enters when the plain verse from James 2:24 is compared with the plain verse in Romans 4:5. These are theological opposites.
Our "good works" come only after salvation
---michael_e on 12/7/15


/For there are a great many folks, who believe Paul was saying our works account for nothing, towards our Salvation.\-David on 12/3/15
Our works account for nothing toward our salvation.
They are seen by men so they can give glory to God and come to the saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
---micha9344 on 12/6/15


Steven
I have been thinking about the accuracy of your comment on there being two types of works, "Good" and "Evil".

At the very center of the meaning of the word "Righteousness", is living life, in the standard in which we were created. A "Standard", set by God.

Adam was created "Good", and he was created to serve God. When sin entered into the world, we became "Servants of sin", (John 8:34).

"Good works" are serving God
"Evil Works" are serving sin.
Sin is the breaking of the Law, but in truth, it's doing anything not according to the standard set by God.

---David on 12/5/15


(Matthew 5:20)
For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Steven
The work of the Pharisee's were works of Self-righteousness (Matthew 23:3-5). Therefore, for our works to exceed the works of the Pharisee's, they must be those "Good works", which give glory to God (Matthew 5:16).

Steven, I am trying to shed a little more light onto Paul's teachings of about "Works".

For there are a great many folks, who believe Paul was saying our works account for nothing, towards our Salvation.
---David on 12/3/15


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John 9346 said, ..."Acts 24:16 in context."

I have. In the KJV, it says, "And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men."

In another version (DRA) it says, "16 And herein do I endeavour to have always a conscience without offence toward God, and towards men.

Strive is going towards a goal, be it a gold medal in the Olympics, or going to heaven. The Gold Medalist knows that he is the fastest, but he keeps in shape, exercises, runs marathons and so on, so that he can win that gold medal again.

That is a positive look at the word strive.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/2/15


Brendan,

Big difference between "A good relationship with Christ." and "Having with confidence/assurance/a knowing that one is truly saved."

I'd encourage you sir to please read Acts 24:16 in context.

Paul is not even dealing with "Trying to be saved/striving for salvation."

He is being accused of something he didn't do and he is reminding the governor Felix of his purpose before God and towards man.

If you read the context, there is no doubt of him wondering if he is saved he speaks with boldness in being assured...
---john9346 on 12/1/15


There are only two - "good" and evil. There are many types of evil self righteousness being one.--Steveng

Steven
I did not address your statements because I disagree with you. My statement was only meant to add to your comment. If you want to argue semantics, you are correct, since we can only serve one of two masters, our works can only be good or evil.

The "Works" I am trying to shed light on, are those works we see as good, but turn them into "Dead Works". Dead, because we give ourselves the Glory, instead of giving the Glory to God.

Like when we give to the poor, and then brag to folks about the good "we" have done.
---David on 12/2/15


David wrote: "You mentioned two, but the Bible mentions three."

There are only two - "good" and evil. There are many types of evil self righteousness being one. Read the scripture I gave in an earlier post to "truely understand it."
---Steveng on 12/1/15


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Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members ,warring against the law of my mind and bring me in to captivity to the law of sin which is in my members

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from, the body of death ?

Romans 7:25 I thank God though Jesus Christ our Lord So the mind I myself server the Lord But with the flesh the law of sin
---RichardC on 12/1/15


John 9346 said, "Brendan, first, The Verses tell on "How to have a relationship with God." not "Striving." or "May have a relationship with God." They speak of "Definite, guarantee."

John, I said all these talk about being in a good relationship with Christ.

Paul--Very much a good Christian says "16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men." KJV

In the NIV, it says,"So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man."

Now if Paul can say it, so can I.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/1/15



David wrote: "True, but there is another kind of works. They are the works of self righteousness."

The bible only mentions two. Are you going to argue God's word?

---Steveng on 11/30/15


The deeds of the self-righteous are evil deeds.
---Jed on 11/30/15


David wrote: "True, but there is another kind of works. They are the works of self righteousness."
The bible only mentions two. Are you going to argue God's word? --Steveng



(Romans 10:3)
For they, being ignorant of Gods righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Steven
You mentioned two, but the Bible mentions three.
If someone tries to establish their own righteousness, wouldn't that be called self righteousness?
---David on 12/1/15


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David wrote: "True, but there is another kind of works. They are the works of self righteousness."

The bible only mentions two. Are you going to argue God's word?
---Steveng on 11/30/15


Brendan states, "John, all these talk about being in a good relationship with Christ, which I always strive to do. But they don't tell me about "righteous works."

Brendan, first, The Verses tell on "How to have a relationship with God." not "Striving." or "May have a relationship with God." They speak of "Definite, guarantee."

You see, once we have a relationship with God according to "Sacred Scripture." all "Good Works." flow/come results from that relationship.

Then we are no longer "Unworthy."
---john9346 on 11/30/15


MONK Saved Hogwash

John 3,9 Whosoever is born of God does not sin For his seed remain in him He can not sin because he is born of god

[ Brendan Do you not believe this verse ? being cover by the blood of Christ ? }
---RichardC on 11/30/15


Luke. Monk Brendan and Nicole. Great comments and good point.

Thank you.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/30/15


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There are evil works and there are righteous works.--Steveng

Steven
True, but there is another kind of works. They are the works of self righteousness.

To fully understand the meaning of righteousness, we must first understand the meaning of "Self Righteousness".

Righteousness "Works" are done for God and others. This makes them "Good Works".

Self Righteousness are "Works" you pretend to do for God and others, when in reality you expect something in return (a wage).

How many of us have made a deal with God to do something good for him, but only if he does something for us? Many kept the Law of Moses, not for God, but for their own gain.
---David on 11/30/15


Monk, I am still waiting as well. What something struck me as I was reading Evening Prayer Part II in the Divine Office.

It was Jesus saying he was coming soon to give to everyone the reward his deeds deserve. (3rd Ant. in 1st Sunday Advent Evening Prayer II)

It came from Revelation 22:12

"Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each ACCORDING to his DEEDS.

Now, this suggest our reward isn't based on Jesus' Grace, but how we used His Grace to preformed DEEDS AKA WORKS!

So base on Rev 22:12 in answering Trey's question:

It's people who do righteous works that makes them a righteous person.

James 2:18b
...and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/29/15


John 9346 said, Brendan asked, "What does on have to do to be a "True" Christian?"

Here you go my friend, 1 Jn 5:13, Rom 5:1 6:23, and 10:13, Act 4:12, jn 5:24, 3:15-18 and 36, and Lk 13:1-5."


John, all these talk about being in a good relationship with Christ, which I always strive to do. But they don't tell me about "righteous works."

Someone implied that being "saved" means that you no longer sin--which is hogwash, as any mature Christian will tell you.

My answer has always been to follow Jesus' commands: Love God, love your neighbor. If you "do"those things, then God will lead you to other good works.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/29/15


There are evil works and there are righteous works.

Proverbs 11:18
Psalm 15:2
Isaiah 32:17
Acts 10:35
Romans 4:5
2 Corinthians 11:15
1 John 3:12

There are also two resurrections. The first upon the return of Jesus and the second after the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall riseand be judged from the Book of Life according to their works. Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.

Ecclesiastes 3:17
Revelation 20
---Steveng on 11/29/15


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Brendan asked, "What does on have to do to be a "True" Christian?"

Here you go my friend, see 1 Jn 5:13, Rom 5:1 6:23, and 10:13, Act 4:12, jn 5:24, 3:15-18 and 36, and Lk 13:1-5.
---john9346 on 11/29/15


John 14:15 - If you love me Keep my commandments .
---RichardC on 11/28/15


John 9346 said, "For those who are "Truly Christians." the good works we do glorify our Father in heaven see Jn 15:8."

What does on have to do to be a "True" Christian?

The only way you can find out is to wait until the judgment day, and be told by God.

We are not called to be fruit inspectors. We are not able to look inside the hearts of men and know their inmost thoughts. The sooner people learn that, the sooner some people will begin to grow up and act like "mature" Christians.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/28/15


Philippians 3:9 and being found in him: not having my own righteousness which is from, the law but that which is through faith in Christ the righteousness which is God by faith

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you For you are not under the law but under Grace -------->
---RichardC on 11/28/15


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Micha, I am still waiting for the answer to my question:
What? Are you saying that since you became "Born Again" you have not sinned--AT ALL?

You have been able to reject all of the temptations that Satan has put against you? You have not hit a single stumbling block on your road to Jesus?
Please answer and tell me how you became such a paragon of virtue.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/28/15


John
Good answer my friend, but I was looking for "Love", as the reason one should keep the Lords commandments.(John 14:211)

Allow me to explain.
How many times do we see the Children of Abraham, "Repent", throughout the Old Testament? Many times.
Why did they repent?
The reason was not "Love". They repented because they feared Gods wrath, repenting became a bargaining chip.

Why does God want us to keep his commandments out of Love?
Because Love is a greater deterrent than fear, a deterrent which will keep a child's obedience.
This is why some children, still need to be disciplined late into their teenage years, while some need very little, if any.
---David on 11/28/15


Great lots of good answers that I can agree with.

Happy days.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/27/15


\\How do you explain an atheist who feeds the hungry, or gives a coat to someone who is cold? Are they righteous too, only they not aware of it yet?\\

I believe that in Romans St. Paul said that such people are following the Law of God written in their hearts and are therefore a law unto themselves, their consciences either accusing them or excusing them.

Let's not judge one way or the other, but pray for such people. (I've heard of a similar Hindu who roams the streets of his city, feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, tending the wounds of the injured on the street, and other works of mercy.)

Rather, thank God that He's not through with ANY of us yet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/15


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David asked, "John
Good answer, but why do you want to glorify our Heavenly Father? What's your motivation?"

Here is the answer:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

Gal 2:20
---john9346 on 11/26/15


For those who are "Truly Christians." the good works we do glorify our Father in heaven see ---john9346 on 11/25/15

John
Good answer, but why do you want to glorify our Heavenly Father? What's your motivation?
---David on 11/26/15


Hi David,

I like your questions.

When we do works according to the "Old Creation.", we simply do it to please ourselves. This is why an atheist can feed the hungry and visit the sick, but ask the atheist why the motivation and it will be solely for themselves.

For those who are "Truly Christians." the good works we do glorify our Father in heaven see Jn 15:8.

The good works we do as "Christians." is a result of God's Grace working in us to do good things.

See, Eph 2:1-9
---john9346 on 11/25/15


Micha said, "We do not do to make us righteous: We are righteous, therefore we do."

What? Are you saying that since you became "Born Again" you have not sinned--AT ALL?

You have been able to reject all of the temptations that Satan has put against you? You have not hit a single stumbling block on your road to Jesus?

I would say something, but then the whole post would be moderated. Let me just say this: "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." (1John 1:8)

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/25/15


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Agreed. When we are Born Again we do good works because it is our nature now to love and care for others.--Samuelbb7 on 11/25/15

Samuel, Micha and John
Help me to understand.
You believe good works is a sign, a sign which shows your new nature?

If good works shows you are a new creation, how do explain the good works the old creation did, before you were made righteous?

How do you explain an atheist who feeds the hungry, or gives a coat to someone who is cold? Are they righteous too, only they not aware of it yet?
---David on 11/25/15


Agreed. When we are Born Again we do good works because it is our nature now to love and care for others. To do good because it is good.

So we have agreement here.

Hallelujah.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/25/15


/Good works cannot OF THEMSELVES make one righteous.\-Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15
/Neither does 1 act of righteousness nor several consistent acts make us righteous.
We do not do to make us righteous: We are righteous, therefore we do.\-micha9344 on 11/24/15
It looks like we're in agreement here.
As far as Mat 25:31-46:
v33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Sheep do what sheep do. It's not what a sheep does that makes it a sheep, but what it does is an indicator of being a sheep.
How do you know your a sheep?
Monk hinted at it above.
David,
John also said:
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Context. Whole thought.
---micha9344 on 11/25/15


Brendan said, "Good works cannot OF THEMSELVES make one righteous. But the works we do out of love of God and our neighbor are different. We are following God's commands."

We are saved towards good works not by Good Works.

See Eph 2:8-9 and Rom 5:1.
---john9346 on 11/25/15


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Context..context..context...

---micha9344 on 11/24/15

Micha
The verse is written as clearly as "Thou shall not kill". To what context do you refer?

I get this a lot from folks, those who believe if the Bible verses I show them, do not line up their beliefs, I do not understand the context of the verse.

Something you may want to consider, I just gave you the verse, not the context. Unlike many, who give verses with contextual interpretation, I let the Bible speak to the reader of the verse. And if they disagree, they disagree with what is written, and not with me.
---David on 11/25/15


One's acts do not make you a child: one's acts show whose child you are. ---micha9344

Micha
Very confusing,... you say John is right, by showing verses, which by your own words, show he is wrong.

Do you not sin?
If you sin, whose child does John say you are? He certainly does not call you a child of God.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not...

Am I taking it out of context, or is it perhaps a Truth that doesn't match your doctrine? Are we to base our Truth on what you believe, or on the teachings of Jesus Christ and his disciples?
---David on 11/25/15


Micha said, "...Righteousness is not based upon the act, it is based upon the grace bestowed upon us.
Then it is not us, but God who is glorified in our works."

Then why did Jesus say, Mat 25:35-36 "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat," and Mat 25:42..."I was hungry and you fed me not"...etc.?---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15

EXCELLENT QUESTION!

Micha, please do not ignore Monk. Please answer the above question.

I am curious to read your response. Not to me, but to Monk's question.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/15


John is not wrong.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not...
1Jo 3:7 ...he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin...
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest...whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God...
--One's acts do not make you a child: one's acts show whose child you are.
Inside-out, not outside-in
Context..context..context...
---micha9344 on 11/24/15


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Micha said, "We do not do to make us righteous: We are righteous, therefore we do.
Righteousness is not based upon the act, it is based upon the grace bestowed upon us.
Then it is not us, but God who is glorified in our works."


Then why did Jesus say, Mat 25:35-36 "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat," and Mat 25:42..."I was hungry and you fed me not"...etc.?

Good works cannot OF THEMSELVES make one righteous. But the works we do out of love of God and our neighbor are different. We are following God's commands.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15


Sameul and Micha
Have either of you ever read (1John 3:7)?
Is John wrong too?
---David on 11/24/15


Thank you Micha9344. I agree with you. When we are Born Again we receive a new nature. That nature leads us to live in love of GOD and others. So our actions are the result of being saved.

1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 11/24/15


/It is being persistent in doing good, continually doing what God commands us to do that makes us righteous.\-David on 11/24/15
This is a false statement.
Neither does 1 act of righteousness nor several consistent acts make us righteous.
We do not do to make us righteous: We are righteous, therefore we do.
Righteousness is not based upon the act, it is based upon the grace bestowed upon us.
Then it is not us, but God who is glorified in our works.
---micha9344 on 11/24/15


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Trey
Good Blog question.

When it comes right down to it, an act of righteousness is simply doing what God wants us to do, verses what our evil master, "sin", would like us to do.",(John 8:34)

When we do the "Good" God wants us to do, verses the "Evil" Satan wants us to do, they are called "Acts of Righteousness".

Does one act of Righteousness make us Righteous? No.
It is being persistent in doing good, continually doing what God commands us to do that makes us righteous.

BTW, Being Righteous in the eyes of God means we are under Gods Grace, in Gods favor, God is watching over us.


---David on 11/24/15


Here is something to think on:
Galatians 3:6
---trey on 11/17/15

The way to understand Galatians 3:6 is to pair it with James 2:26 "...faith without works is dead".

Abraham could definitely believe God, because God showed came to him physically.

But faith is more than simply believing, faith must be put into action. Real faith is trust, trusting God to be who he says he is (Heb. 11:6) and taking the actions of faith by obeying Gods commandments to us.

Abraham demonstrated all of this and why God declared it to be righteous.
---Mark_Eatom on 11/19/15


We must acknowledge that adults have different behavior patterns than children and children do not yet understand societal civilized behavior or that other people deserve happiness also (children do not include other people in their [plans to be happy).

"Righteousness" must be TAUGHT to them.
---faithforfaith on 11/18/15


Righteous deeds don't have to be PERFORMED, they just come naturally from a peaceful and just person.---faithforfaith

REALLY?
I don't have any children. But I suspect the reason people call 2 yrs old's actions "the TERRIBLE 2'S" is from experience and repeated bad behavior.

They are not calling the child terrible, but they have to be TRAINED to behave around 2 years old.

It comes NATUALLY TO DISOBEY.
Working on virtues for rewards are needed to help the child understand it is better to be good than bad.

Belt spanking helped me.
(only 4 times by my father before the age of 11)

But those who believe placing the child in the corner is better, but doesn't seem to be working out so well to me.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/15


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Cluny, let me ask you this, "Is a man righteous before he ever does a righteous work or is he unrighteous and then by doing a righteous work he is then judged as righteous?"
---trey on 11/17/15


Here is something to think on:
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

1. Was Abraham righteous before he believed in God?

2. Was Abraham choosing to BELIEVE God a righteous WORK?

3. Is belief a work?
---trey on 11/17/15


"Do people do righteous works because they are righteous or do people do righteous works making them a righteous person?" Neither.
There are no righteous works, there is none righteous in and of themselves, there is that which is called by man, works of righteousness, However that work of man, will serve him absolutely no purpose as concerning his salvation. For it is "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, God imputes righteousness apart from works:" Works will never make a man righteous.
---Josef on 11/17/15


Righteous deeds don't have to be PERFORMED, they just come naturally from a peaceful and just person.

The Savior told the Samaritan woman that her FAITH had already saved her (Jesus came for the "sick"/corrupt, He did not come for those who have NO NEED of a physician).

"Righteousness" simply means DOING WHAT IS Right/just.

Jesus fulfilled all righteousness according to Judaic law (and He also told the Jews everything that was right for them to know and do...He FULFILLED all).

If you only do what is right because you are following RULES/laws/regulations, you do not have THE SPIRIT of God.

If you do what is right NATURALLY of your own freewill, your spirit is compatible with His Spirit.
---faithforfaith on 11/17/15


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Yes.

Who said they were opposites? This is a false dichotomy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/17/15


Do people do righteous works because they are righteous or do people do righteous works making them a righteous person?
---trey on 11/17/15

First off, I despise the words "righteous works" because it confuses people. People are righteous, works are not. And no amount of works will make us righteous.

Rom 3:10 "As it is written: There is none righteous, no, not one"

Eph. 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

2 Cor 5:21 "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him"
---Mark_Eaton on 11/17/15


Charity suffereth long, and is kind, charity envieth not, charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth, Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 KJV
---john1944 on 11/17/15


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