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Lot Was Afraid On Mountain

"THE MOUNTAIN" ~ Who or what was Lot afraid of there? (G19:17-19)

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///I find it interesting that God has placed great significance in His Bible when it comes to speaking about "mountains". From Noah, to Lot & Moses, Caleb & Jesus...mountains have been literal & symbolic refuges for God's people.
---Leon on 2/21/16///

I need to mention also Abraham & his son Issac's significant mountain experience as well
---Leon on 5/29/16


///I find it interesting that God has placed great significance in His Bible when it comes to speaking about "mountains". From Noah, to Lot & Moses, Caleb & Jesus...mountains have been literal & symbolic refuges for God's people.
---Leon on 2/21/16///

I need to mention also Abraham & his son Issac's significant mountain experience as well
---Leon on 5/27/16


Forgive this humble sinner, but you are wrong, Trav Read Ezekial 16:49 in the KJV. Lack of hospitality was (and is) the sin of Sodom.
---Monk_Brendan on 1/1/16

Lack of hospitality? What a lying twist you "personally" prefer. A testament to your cult, surely. Are you one of pope protected monks that children need to avoid? What you defend by lie...is a mark on you.

Gen 18:20 the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous,
Gen 18:26 the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
---Trav on 5/27/16


/Bottomline: Lot was afraid of the Horites...\-Leon on 1/15/16
Bottomline, your opinion, Leon, is not the end-all, be-all. Your statement is pure speculation based very loosely on a few far-reaching verses.
It's too bad we don't all study more about what's in the Bible instead of speculating on what not in it.
Bottomline: Lot may not have been afraid of the Horites, even if they were in the area he escaped to, and Lot may have known his wife was dead before he became the father of 2 nations.
---micha9344 on 5/27/16


/"THE MOUNTAIN" ~ Who or what was Lot afraid of there? (G19:17-19)\
The rocks.
Nahum 1:6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
---micha9344 on 5/27/16




///I find it interesting that God has placed great significance in His Bible when it comes to speaking about "mountains". From Noah, to Lot & Moses, Caleb & Jesus...mountains have been literal & symbolic refuges for God's people.
---Leon on 2/21/16///

I need to mention also Abraham & his son Issac's significant mountain experience as well.
---Leon on 5/27/16


I find it interesting that God has placed great significance in His Bible when it comes to speaking about "mountains". From Noah, to Lot & Moses, Caleb & Jesus...mountains have been literal & symbolic refuges for God's people.
---Leon on 2/21/16


Bottomline: Lot was afraid of the Horites (G15:6, 19:17-30). Hori was one of the sons of Seir, a desert chieftain in Edom. (G36:6-22).
---Leon on 1/15/16


Leon said, "Why do you think MonkBrendan is delusional?
---john1944 on 1/3/16///

There's your answer John. :)."


You're just mad because I am able to question you to the point that you are in a corner. Grow up yourself!

Ellen G. White was a false prophet!

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/7/16


///Leon said, " You are delusional Monkman."

Why do you say that? Is it because I don't crawl to you on my knees and beg you to enlighten me? Should I address you as Guru? Or just Lord High Executioner?

I don't bow to your vastly superior intellect and piety because what you are saying to me (and others) is so much lard flavored Jell-o. I don't want any of it, and I don't think that many of the others want it either.

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/5/16

Why do you think MonkBrendan is delusional?
---john1944 on 1/3/16///

There's your answer John. :)
---Leon on 1/5/16




Leon said, " You are delusional Monkman."

Why do you say that? Is it because I don't crawl to you on my knees and beg you to enlighten me? Should I address you as Guru? Or just Lord High Executioner?

I don't bow to your vastly superior intellect and piety because what you are saying to me (and others) is so much lard flavored Jell-o. I don't want any of it, and I don't think that many of the others want it either.

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/5/16


Why do you think MonkBrendan is delusional?
---john1944 on 1/3/16


You are delusional Monkman...
---Leon on 1/2/16


Leon said, "By the way, why are you blaming me for your dullness of hearing & lack of understanding. I'm just the messenger."

It is your lack of logic that makes it hard for me to understand you. You are not just the messenger, you are the author of this particular blog question, and from your statements, it is obvious that you had your mind made up before you started. Leave me out of this from now on.

I am praying for you (and my prayers do reach beyond the ceiling, roof, clouds, sky, and/or stars. They reach to the throne of God.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/2/16


Trav said, "Leon...he just made everything clear by what he defends. Or veers attention away from. Remember him defending "depends".
Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"


Forgive this humble sinner, but you are wrong, Trav Read Ezekial 16:49 in the KJV. Lack of hospitality was (and is) the sin of Sodom.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/1/16


Leon, it is very clear what the sin of Sodom was. ...
It had nothing to do with sex, ....
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/15/15

Leon...he just made everything clear by what he defends. Or veers attention away from. Remember him defending "depends".
Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
---Trav on 12/28/15


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Leon said, " Monk: The reason you don't understand is because you take what is being said personal. It seems you may've gotten someone at CN to run interference for you because your argument is weak. Who knows, maybe you're a moderator."

Sorry, Leon, Not only am I not a moderator, I don't even know how to reach the moderator directly. Nor would I want the job if someone asked. Too much to do, so little time...

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/18/15


Apparently, I touched someone's nerve & got my comments censored. :) Okay, so be it! Published or not published on CN, the truth of the matter still stands undiminished before God, in the light of day. Praying for whoever is in denial regarding the aforementioned sin of Sodom.
---Leon on 12/18/15


Monk: The reason you don't understand is because you take what is being said personal. It seems you may've gotten someone at CN to run interference for you because your argument is weak. Who knows, maybe you're a moderator.

This isn't about winning an argument as you seem to think. It's about publishing the truth in place of religiously confused jargon whether you want to hear it or not.

Please don't delude yourself into thinking you're praying for me. What you have to offer up to God wouldn't likely make it thru your ceiling.
---Leon on 12/17/15


Leon, you said, "Monk. I think I know how the Arch-angel Gabriel felt as he was trying to convey a message to Daniel. I've been trying to answer you, regarding your recent post on this blog, for the past two days..."

Possibly your remarks were moderated. Don't worry about it, I'm sure that I will feel the rough side of your tongue another time.

Leon, I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan

---Monk_Brendan on 12/17/15


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Daniel 10:13 Monk. I think I know how the Arch-angel Gabriel felt as he was trying to convey a message to Daniel. I've been trying to answer you, regarding your recent post on this blog, for the past two days...
---Leon on 12/16/15


Leon said, "Why do you say it's not because of sexual sin that God destroyed S & G? Based upon what the Bible says (G19:4-8) isn't it obvious?"

Leon, it is very clear what the sin of Sodom was. Ezek 16:49 KJV Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

It had nothing to do with sex, it had to do with not reaching out to help someone in need.

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/15/15


Luke: Yes, nothing could (can) stop God's plan(s). Why do you say it's not because of sexual sin that God destroyed S & G? Based upon what the Bible says (G19:4-8) isn't it obvious?

True, Lot obviously didn't know the mountain people so he feared them.

Zoar (the city) was a bad choice as Lot soon found out & became afraid to stay there. I suspect there were Sodomites living in Zoar & they hadn't changed their wicked ways, & threatened to abuse Lot. However, the Horites, in the mountain, must've been a different breed of people not given to practicing sexual immorality. So, Lot ultimately did as God had originally said & fled into the mountain for safety.

Father God knows best!!!
---Leon on 12/14/15


Leon, It was God's plan already to destroy Sodom and Gommorah. Nothing was going to change the plan. He selected those two towns, but it was not because they did sexual things with man that probably happened everywhere. Evil is everywhere, all different kind of sinners. Lot was afraid to go to the mountains because those people were different then the ones in town. They lived a different lifestyle, one that was not as superior then S.and G.
Lot selected another town to go to, Zoar. God wait until Lot got to Zoar before He brought the punishment on S.and G.
---Luke on 12/14/15


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///...[What's] the point of destroying Sodom if what was being judged is happening in the mountains as well?...---micha9344 on 12/11/15///

Good question Micha. Hope the following answer is sufficient:

If God had've also destroyed the mountain people, Lot & daughters would've perished with them since there was no where else for them to flee & survive the barrage of fire & brimstone. Yet, God had assured Abraham that "righteous" Lot would be spared.

Unlike the city dwellers, the mountain folk had earthen caves/clefts to hide in versus the fragile man-made houses that were easily destroyed by falling fire & brimstone. I suspect that's why God wanted Lot to go into the mountain in the first place.
---Leon on 12/12/15


///...Are you suggesting Lot was...abused while he lived in Sodom? [What's] the point of destroying Sodom if what was being judged is happening in the mountains as well?...Lot was afraid of dying in the mountains as v19 says.
---micha9344 on 12/11/15///

Micha: You guys! :) smh I agree with "V19". The question is do you know WHAT EVIL?

I don't know all of what happened to Lot while he lived in Sodom. All I know is the Sodomite men had abnormal sexual desires for other men. Lot was a man!

Regarding the destruction of S & G, God killed the Sodomites in the city to show His displeasure of their deviant behavior, but He didn't destroy all the sexual perverts on earth as we're keenly aware of in 2015.
---Leon on 12/11/15


Leon said, " Monk: I'm tired of monkeying with you. You're hopelessly dull of hearing!"

In other words, you can't find anything else to throw at me, so you give up!

Leon, I will pray for you.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/11/15


/If there were Sodomites still living there, the very real danger for Lot was probably being abused by them, not killed.\-Leon on 12/10/15
Genesis 19:19 ...I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:
-Are you suggesting Lot was continually abused while he lived in Sodom?
-What is the point of destroying Sodom if what was being judged is happening in the mountains as well?
-I believe your stretching things quite far.
-No Monk monkeying. just a lot of Leon roaring.
-Lot was afraid of dying in the mountains as v19 says.
---micha9344 on 12/11/15


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Monk: I'm tired of monkeying with you. You're hopelessly dull of hearing!
---Leon on 12/10/15


Leon said, " Monk: No mind reading possible nor necessary. Just plain old common sense."

Then how do you know he hoped?

Your words: He was hoping for the ...go into the city of Zoar. In the mountain Lot knew he'd probably be openly exposed to a remnant of Sodomites & other people he didn't know, & subsequently feared.

You cannot know for absolute certain what a person in history is thinking or feeling, unless that person writes it down, or your primary source is impeccable. The only thing that we agree about is the Bible, and there is nothing in there about Lot hoping for anything.

Pray for me,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/10/15


Micha: I get what you're saying about 24 years, but I don't see what it has to do with Lot being afraid to go into the mountain. If there were Sodomites still living there, the very real danger for Lot was probably being abused by them, not killed.

Why would they hold a grudge towards Lot? He didn't have a thing to do with the sacking of S & G. Actually, because of him his Uncle Abraham came & liberated them all from the 4 kings. I'd think they would've appreciated Lot for that.

Now, there were people living in the mountain called Horites. Lot probably didn't know them, so he may have imagined they'd be hostile hillbillies & kill him. Even today people tend to think the worst of & fear people they don't know.
---Leon on 12/10/15


Monk probably got that from Abram being 75 when he and Lot came to the land and 99 when S & G was destroyed.
24 years is probably too long a stretch, but a reange can be determined by scripture.
Gen 12:4 Abram, 75 and Lot depart Haran
Gen 14:12 Lot in Sodom, taken away
Gen 16:16 Abram,86 has Ishmael.
Gen 17:1-20:18 Abra(ha)m at 99
From the passages, between the sack and destruction of S & G was at least 13 years, depending on how close Lot's capture was to either the arrival into the land or the birth of Ishmael.
13+ years does seem like a long time to stay a refugee in the mountains, and to have a grudge.
It didn't seem that the rest of Sodom had a grudge for those years upon Lot's return.
---micha9344 on 12/10/15


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Monk: No mind reading possible nor necessary. Just plain old common sense.

24 years? What hat did you pull that rabbit out of?

Some of the people who fled to the mountain could've decided to stay there instead of returning to the cities. Nevertheless, the Bible says people (the Horites) were living in the mountain (G14:6). While the Bible doesn't say they were or weren't hostile people, it's clear Lot feared them perhaps for no other reason than he didn't know them. You know, the same way that happens today.
---Leon on 12/10/15


Leon said, "1.) Who lived in the mountain (G14)?
2.) Who "fled" to the mountain (G14)?
3.) In Sodom, Lot & family lived in a house with walls & a door to provide them a measure of security from the perverted & dangerous outside world. He was hoping"


Mind reading a bit, Leon?

"for the same when he pleaded that he & family be allowed to go into the city of Zoar (G19)."

So 24 years later, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are still living in the mountain?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/9/15


///...Huh? True, Lot was captured...this happened several years earlier...Sodom was sacked at the same time, and it does take some time to rebuild a city...---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/15///

1.) Who lived in the mountain (G14)?
2.) Who "fled" to the mountain (G14)?
3.) In Sodom, Lot & family lived in a house with walls & a door to provide them a measure of security from the perverted & dangerous outside world. He was hoping for the same when he pleaded that he & family be allowed to go into the city of Zoar (G19). In the mountain Lot knew he'd probably be openly exposed to a remnant of Sodomites & other people he didn't know, & subsequently feared.

Do you see the dilemma? :)
---Leon on 12/7/15
---Leon on 12/9/15


Leon said, "Didn't you read where Lot & family were taken captive in war (G14)? That's why Lot was afraid to go into THE MOUNTAIN."

Huh? True, Lot was captured. But this happened several years earlier, because Sodom was sacked at the same time, and it does take some time to rebuild a city.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/7/15


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///Lot [wasn't] afraid to go into the mountains because of the 4 kings who sacked Sodom and Gomorrah. [They weren't] from the mountains.---Micha9344 on 12/6/15///

Mike: Your conclusion is hasty.
1.) Who lived in the mountain (G14)?
2.) Who "fled" to the mountain (G14)?
3.) In Sodom, Lot & family lived in a house with walls & a door to provide them a measure of security from the perverted & dangerous outside world. He was hoping for the same when he pleaded that he & family be allowed to go into the city of Zoar (G19). In the mountain Lot knew he'd probably be openly exposed to a remnant of Sodomites & other people he didn't know, & subsequently feared.

Can you not see the dilemma? :)
---Leon on 12/7/15


Lot was not afraid to go into the mountains because of the 4 kings who sacked Sodom and Gomorrah.
The 4 kings were not from the mountains.
---micha9344 on 12/6/15


///...okay, what was IN the mountain that Lot was afraid of?...[There's] no evidence in the text--read in context, that supports your theory. [???!!!]...---Monk_Brendan on 12/5/15///

Moe: I thought you'd never ask! By the way, why are you blaming me for your dullness of hearing & lack of understanding. I'm just the messenger. :)

Didn't you read where Lot & family were taken captive in war (G14)? That's why Lot was afraid to go into THE MOUNTAIN.

Note: When reading the Bible, we must always connect the dots of what we've read to what we're reading. Otherwise, we won't understand. I believe God has designed Scripture that way to make us pay close attention as we learn.
---Leon on 12/5/15


Lee On said, " Monk: I didn't say Lot was afraid of the mountain. I'm however saying Lot was afraid of what was in the mountain."

Li-Ahn, okay, what was IN the mountain that Lot was afraid of? No warnings from angels or prophets, no injunction from Abraham that would make Lot afraid. There is no evidence in the text--read in context, that supports your theory.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/5/15


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Monk: I didn't say Lot was afraid of the mountain. I'm however saying Lot was afraid of what was in the mountain.

Interestingly, G19:18-20 in the Bible versions you cited breaks down like this:

1.) The KJV aka Authorized KJV or the American KJV all say "TAKE".
2.) The NIV & RSV both say "OVERTAKE".
3.) Your argument that ALL versions say overtake isn't true. But, the Strong's Concordance (Hebrew), regarding the word TAKE, does imply OVERTAKE. Nonetheless, I content Lot wasn't afraid of what was behind him, but feared what he imagined was ahead of & would murder him IN THE MOUNTAIN.
---Leon on 11/30/15


Nonetheless, I contend Lot wasn't afraid of what was behind him, but feared what he imagined was ahead of & would murder him IN THE MOUNTAIN.

G19:22 says two very important things:

1.) The angel of the Lord told Lot He couldn't (wouldn't) destroy anything until Lot & family were safe. At that moment SAFE meant being sheltered in Zoar. Remember, the Lord promised Abraham no harm would come to Lot...
2.) In verse 22, Lot was instructed to make HASTE. That means to "hurry". Now, just maybe he & family did do some occasional running. However, the Lord, true to His word, didn't commence the destruction of S & G until Lot & family were safe in Zoar.
---Leon on 11/30/15


Leon, What I have tried to put across is that Lot was not afraid of the mountain, he was afraid that he would not get to the mountain in time. As far as BCV, here it is: Gen 19:18-20. Read it in context, and you will see that this is what I have been talking about.

I've looked at it in the KJV, the NIV, the AKJV,and the RSV.

All of them say that Lot was scared that the punishment of God would overtake him while he was running to the mountain.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/30/15


///...Leon...nice song, one that I learned before your were born--or even a twinkle in your father's eye. [???!!!]
...You haven't shown any Scripture that he [Lot] was terrified of the mountain. [???: Who said he was?] You've only show[n]... he was afraid on the plain. [???] It clearly states that he was afraid of being overwhelmed [BCV please]...---Monk_Brendan on 11/29/15///

Monkman: I'm 2 weeks older than the U.S. Air Force. How old are you? Old as dirt perhaps?

Since I originated the blog, I just thought I'd exhale for a moment with a song I like since we're nearing the Christmas season. Yet, it has nothing, but then again perhaps everything to do with this blog. Don't be so uptight (clunish)! :)
---Leon on 11/30/15


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Leon said, " GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIN..."

Leon, it's a nice song, one that I learned before your were born--or even a twinkle in your father's eye.

But what in the name of John Calvin does that have to do with whether Lot was afraid of the mountain or not?

You haven't shown any Scripture that he was terrified of the mountain. You've only showed that he was afraid on the plain. It clearly states that he was afraid of being overwhelmed.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/29/15


GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIN...

That Jesus Christ is born

The shepherds all were watching
Over their sheep at night
When a guiding star shone from heaven
And they followed that holy light...

They found a lovely manger
Where the humble Christ was born
And God sent out salvation
On that blessed Christmas morn

Go tell it on the mountain
Over the hills and everywhere
Go tell it on the mountain
That Jesus Christ is born

He brought with Him forgiveness
He live to show us the way
He came to redeem all creation
And to wash all our sins away

Go tell it on the mountain
Over the hills and everywhere
Go tell it on the mountain
That Jesus Christ is born
---Leon on 11/29/15


Cluny:

You wrote: It's curious that Lot, who offered his own daughters to the people of Sodom to ravish, and later got so drunk he impregnated them, is called "righteous" in Hebrews.

Yes, (but as the punchline of many old jokes go), "compared to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, he was a saint!".
---StrongAxe on 11/28/15


\\Marvel not CN bloggers!!!
---Leon on 11/27/15
\\

You're right, Leon.

I don't marvel at you at all, nor do I take anything you say seriously.

Those verses you quoted mean that God doesn't even THINK the same way you do. But that's because you lack the mind of Christ, which Christians have.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/15


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Isaiah 55:8-9, New King James Version (NKJV)

8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.


Marvel not CN bloggers!!!
---Leon on 11/27/15


Leon said, "I encourage you to listen to what the word of the Lord (the Bible) says Monk."

I have, and He told me to let you be, and to stop giving to
dogs what is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Matt 7:6

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/27/15


It's curious that Lot, who offered his own daughters to the people of Sodom to ravish, and later got so drunk he impregnated them, is called "righteous" in Hebrews.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/27/15


///Leon said, "Your Scripture quote is out of context to the blog subject. Like your looney bud, I think you're not interested in truth, but only in winning egotistical arguments. Very sad!"

Okay Leon, have your own way. Like a few others on these blogs, you reject anyone who doesn't listen to you.---Monk_Brendan on 11/25/15///

I encourage you to listen to what the word of the Lord (the Bible) says Monk.
---Leon on 11/26/15


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Leon said, "Your Scripture quote is out of context to the blog subject. Like your looney bud, I think you're not interested in truth, but only in winning egotistical arguments. Very sad!"

Okay Leon, have your own way. Like a few others on these blogs, you reject anyone who doesn't listen to you.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/25/15


///2Pe 2:7-8 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds,)---micha9344 on 11/24/15///

Amen Micha! :)
---Leon on 11/25/15


///...he knew they were very important. [???] But I doubt that he was aware of the power of God [Loose interpretation, in your opinion]..."Do you think God considered Lot to be 'righteous' (a man of faith) since, after all, He did spare him & family?"

God rescued Lot because Abraham asked Him to do so. God did not consider him righteous. [Really, and you know that because???]---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15///

Your Scripture quote is out of context to the blog subject. Like your looney bud, I think you're not interested in truth, but only in winning egotistical arguments. Very sad!
---Leon on 11/24/15


2Pe 2:7-8 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds,)
---micha9344 on 11/24/15


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Leon said, "After the angels blinded the Sodomites & told Lot to flee the area, just who do you think Lot thought they were?" Granted, he knew they were very important. But I doubt that he was aware of the power of God....Do you think God considered Lot to be "righteous" (a man of faith) since, after all, He did spare him & family?"

God rescued Lot because Abraham asked Him to do so. God did not consider him righteous.

(Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. and Romans 4:3 What does Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.)
---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15


///...Lot [wasn't] a man of faith. [???] God [rescued] him because Abraham had asked Him to. Lot had no idea that God (or the angels) [could've] transported him to Brazil (or any other place)...---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15///

Not true Monk! What was the conversation between Abraham & the Angel of the Lord about regarding "righteous" souls being in S & G where he knew his nephew & family resided?

After the angels blinded the Sodomites & told Lot to flee the area, just who do you think Lot thought they were? He knew, without a doubt, they were the Lord's angels. Do you think God considered Lot to be "righteous" (a man of faith) since, afterall, He did spare him & family?
---Leon on 11/24/15


Leon said, "Taken at face value, Lot's comments to the angels of the Lord sounds completely faithless (silly). Did he forget who he was talking to? Did Lot not know they could've gotten him there in a blink of an eye?"

Lot was not a man of faith. God was rescuing him because Abraham had asked Him to. Lot had no idea that God (or the angels) could have transported him to Brazil (or any other place) if Abraham had asked it.

But when you are running for your life, thinking clearly is difficult--impossible in some cases.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/24/15


///...Let's take a look at the verses. 19...Lot was afraid he would not have enough time to get to the mountains, so he asked the Lord to spare him until he arrived at Zoar....
---Monk_Brendan on 11/23/15///

Taken at face value, Lot's comments to the angels of the Lord sounds completely faithless (silly). Did he forget who he was talking to? Did Lot not know they could've gotten him there in a blink of an eye? Besides, the angels were the one's who brought the destruction upon S & G. I don't think what you said was Lot's real problem. Rather, he was just plain & simply afraid to go into the mountains. That also made him easy prey for his daughters to "sedate" him with wine.
---Leon on 11/23/15


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Let's take a look at the verses. 19 "Your servant has found favor in your eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains, this disaster will overtake me, and Ill die."

Lot was afraid he would not have enough time to get to the mountains, so he asked the Lord to spare him until he arrived at Zoar.

He then took his daughters from Zoar and went into the mountains the next day. And the account goes on from there.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/23/15


///...Maybe he was scared to live out in the mountain or wilderness again and get attacked. The Bible [doesn't] say...I trust [it's] not important. The OT sometimes [doesn't] give commentary and is just a story of what happened. [???] Knowing human nature we can sometimes imagine what he was thinking.---Scott1 on 11/20/15///

Scott: See G14:9-16. I believe what's of paramount importance is to understand the people inside the Bible were just as human as we people outside the Bible. Though they lived in the past, their stories parallel our day-to-day journey thru life in 2015.

What I've learned is quite often the Bible gives commentary in hindsight. I suppose that's just to see who is really paying attention.
---Leon on 11/20/15


////Do you suppose anyone else was living in the mountain?\-Leon on 11/19/15
Gen 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:---micha9344 on 11/20/15///

Micha: Is that your way of saying no one else inhabited the mountain or the area? If so, the Bible significantly disagrees with that. Basically, I hear a young woman rationalizing as she's talking to her baby sister & saying, "Now, there's no one we can mate with & have babies." That doesn't mean there weren't people (men) inhabiting Zoar & the mountain region, etc. They just didn't know anyone as of yet.
---Leon on 11/20/15


---Leon on 11/19/15
I don't know. The only specifics about Lot is that he had a lot of sheep thus he had to live in a plane with good pasture. The next time we see him he has moved closer to Sodom and gets attacked. Then he is in the city. Maybe he was scared to live out in the mountain or wilderness again and get attacked. The Bible does not say thus I trust it is not important. The OT sometimes does not give commentary and is just a story of what happened. Knowing human nature we can sometimes imagine what he was thinking.
---Scott1 on 11/20/15


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/Do you suppose anyone else was living in the mountain?\-Leon on 11/19/15
Gen 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
---micha9344 on 11/20/15


"Josef: I don't intend to argue with you in this matter."
Good, I don't argue. If you have what you believe to be an answer point it out, otherwise....
---josef on 11/19/15


///...He did not want to live alone in the hills [???!!!]...---Scott1 on 11/19/15///

Scott: What makes you think Lot would be living alone in the hills (the mountain)? Afterall, he had his two daughters of whom he was soon to impregnate & the Bible says they would have two sons who would become two separate nations. Do you suppose anyone else was living in the mountain?
---Leon on 11/19/15


Leon, you're probably right, the plotting daughters..
---john1944 on 11/19/15


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///...Leon the NIV, ESV, NLT, HCSB, NASB, HNV, RSV, ASV, and NET, all render the verse in basically the same way, do you truly believe that they are all misleading [???!!!] concerning this?---josef on 11/19/15///

Josef: I don't intend to argue with you in this matter. Like I've said the answer is veiled in v19, but what actually motivated Lot is revealed elsewhere in Scripture (hint in the book of Genesis) if you care to look for it. Otherwise...
---Leon on 11/19/15


"Josef: Yes, the answer is in v19, but it's veiled & not as you've said. The NIV (v19) is misleading."
Leon the NIV, ESV, NLT, HCSB, NASB, HNV, RSV, ASV, and NET, all render the verse in basically the same way, do you truly believe that they are all misleading concerning this?
---josef on 11/19/15


///...he [Lot] took booze with him.---john1944 on 11/18/15///

John: Really, or did his daughter(s) acquire the "pluck" in Zoar? G19v32

///...unless I misunderstand the question, the answer is found in verse 19...---josef on 11/19/15///

Josef: Yes, the answer is in v19, but it's veiled & not as you've said. The NIV (v19) is misleading. Verse 30 explains why Lot left Zoar.

///...Ch19:20 He goes to a little city, He [didn't] want to live alone in the hills... he liked the city.---Scott1 on 11/19/15

Scott: Lot's situation was life & death, not a casual "personal preference" for city life. Initially Lot was afraid to go up into the mountain (v19). Hence the blog question. Why?
---Leon on 11/19/15


Leon, Josephus didn't say. But we know he took booze with him.
---john1944 on 11/18/15


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""THE MOUNTAIN" ~ Who or what was Lot afraid of there? (G19:17-19)"
Leon unless I misunderstand the question, the answer is found in verse 19. He was afraid that the disaster that was about to occur in Sodom would overtake him, and kill him as well. In the words of the NIV "I cant flee to the mountains, this disaster will overtake me, and Ill die."
---josef on 11/19/15


In the previous chapters Lot steadly moves closer and closer to Sodom before moving into the city. See Ch 13:11. See Ch 14:12.
Ch19:20 He goes to a little city, He did not want to live alone in the hills, because he liked the city.
---Scott1 on 11/19/15


THE MOUNTAIN JOHN, THE MOUNTAIN!!! Not Zoar.
---Leon on 11/18/15


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