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According to what is written in Scripture, what is the difference between JESUS CHRIST and CHRIST JESUS?

Also, in the New Testament, how many people were called "Man of God"?

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\\They all stopped believing it and came to understand that the RCC had fallen from it's position and authority.

To be truly from Apostolic times a doctrine must be in the Bible. Not from latter tradition.

The Assumption of Mary is a good point. Not declared as a dogma until 1950.\\

Not true, Samuelbb7.

The last sermon Luther ever preached was about the Assumption of the Virgin--he believed in it.

The Dormition (as we Orthodox prefer to call it) was never proclaimed as a dogma, but we all believe it with an unruffled unanimity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/16


Faith for faith said, "Often, all throughout scripture, Jesus is referred to as "THE CHRIST" (seemingly, it is a TITLE for The Jewish "Messiah" and OUR Savior)."

Christ comes from the Greek work meaning oil, and it means "the Anointed One" Technically, Jesus should be addressed as Jesus the Christ
---Monk_Brendan on 6/22/16


Haz27:

The difference is that this is one person casting aspersions at another (and doing it in an obviously satirical fashion, not intending to be taken seriously). I'm sure both Cluny and Trav are adult enough to take speak for themselves.

On the other hand, when Jerry said you can't be a Christian and a Democrat at the same time, he was being TOTALLY serious, and he was judging the salvation of millions of people, who are not here to defend themselves (and their very existence proves him wrong). Sadly, there are many others who also judge others, "I'm Christian but you're not".
---StrongAxe on 4/2/16


StrongAxe. Your constant Left sided posts suggests a clear bias.

No doubt the reality in U.S is similar to here in Australia. Here we see the Leftists support the rich (renewable energy corporations), themselves (corrupt funding, derailing investigations into corruption), hurting voters (electoral fraud), hurting the poor (keeping them as unemployed underclass always reliant on welfare), etc.

A recent issue involving Unions (renowned for corruption) is where self-employed truck drivers are penalized with new fees that will send them broke. These same fees however don't apply to trucking companies with unionist drivers. And conveniently this will raise extra funds for unions and their Leftist political mates.

---Haz27 on 4/2/16


n 1950, Pius XII DEFINED a doctrine that has been believed since apostolic times--and was believed by Martin Luther and Calvin and Zwingli.

All a pope can do is DEFINE a doctrine or dogma. He cannot create one out of thin air.
---Monk_Brendan

They all stopped believing it and came to understand that the RCC had fallen from it's position and authority.

To be truly from Apostolic times a doctrine must be in the Bible. Not from latter tradition.

The Assumption of Mary is a good point. Not declared as a dogma until 1950.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/16




"I have been forced to waste most of my time recently to responding to off-topic flames, inappropriate insults, unsubstantiated claims (e.g. yours, that you can't be a Christian and a Democrat)"

If I recall correctly Trav did not make a recent allegation that you can't be a Christian and a Democrat.

But Cluny did make an unsubstantiated claim/flame/insult that Trav was neither a Christian, nor a person. Do you have the same concern about Cluny's allegation?

I saw the sarcastic banter between these 2 as nothing more than unsubstantiated allegations that both knew not to be true.
---Haz27 on 4/1/16


Trav:

I apologize for the mistake. jerry6593 said that, not you.

If one condemns Democrats, one must equally condemn Republicans for supporting the rich (corporations) and themselves (cutting accountability), while consistently hurting voters (gerrymandering) and working poor (cutting food stamps, Medicaid, ACA), or both (busting unions, Flint, etc.). In a mud fight, EVERYBODY gets dirty. And the hypocrisy is palpable (e.g. Bristol Palin's "abstinence", or vowing not to affirm ANY SC nominees, even though the same senators implored the senate to do JUST THAT just a few years earlier.)


Haz27:

Who said I wasn't? I said it was a LEGAL belief, not a wise or safe one.
---StrongAxe on 4/1/16


Luke said, "Monk, go ahead and call the pope and tell him to make a new doctrine. They have already made a lot of new doctrines, one more will not change the Catholic Church."

In 1950, Pius XII DEFINED a doctrine that has been believed since apostolic times--and was believed by Martin Luther and Calvin and Zwingli.

All a pope can do is DEFINE a doctrine or dogma. He cannot create one out of thin air.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/1/16


P.C.? One things my friends know about me is that I am NOT politically correct. ...
---StrongAxe on 4/1/16

Might look back on the democrat remark. Think it was Jerry that said that? I feel the same way so...sorry if the truth hurts. Demo's run on a platform that openly seeks and supports abortion and lgbt proudly, can serve both masters?
You might also note that I wouldn't perceive you as "lukewarm" or "P.C." if you didn't come across that way. I'm seeing your woods from the outside your seeing trees from the inside.
You seem to mimic your pal who cannot stand anywhere on anything. Fear is what it is called. Perhaps seen as P.C. lukewarm.
Be worthy of your name, otherwise it comes across as joke.
---Trav on 4/1/16


StrongAxe. Hitler's Nazism (Socialist German Workers Paty) is clearly of the Left. Socialism, like Communism, is a collectivist ideology.

And how can you not be concerned about today's Communists? They dominate mainstream media, universities, Hollywood, left wing parties like DEM's, etc. And infiltrating such groups was found by the CIA to be the Communists goal.

Even the promotion of LGBT lifestyle and degeneracy as healthy and normal was one of the Communist goals the CIA found decades ago. The leader of Safe Schools Coalition is a Marxist who even bragged about it being for spreading Marxism in schools.

You seem to be ignoring these facts and the blatant abuse, bullying, lies, hate, etc from the Left's PC tyranny. Why?
---Haz27 on 4/1/16




Trav:

P.C.? One things my friends know about me is that I am NOT politically correct. I favor truth, whether it's PC (favoring the left) or "religiously correct" favoring the right. Neither side likes to hear things they disagree with.

I have been forced to waste most of my time recently to responding to off-topic flames, inappropriate insults, unsubstantiated claims (e.g. yours, that you can't be a Christian and a Democrat), etc., rather than discussing issues of real substance.

Isa_8:20... Mat_18:16...

These say we should follow scripture, but don't otherwise contribute to any other SPECIFIC scriptural argument - other scriptures more on point would be needed for specific issues.
---StrongAxe on 4/1/16


Trav, the Marxists/Leftists here in Australia are still as bad as in U.S, dominating the mainstream media, universities, most of politics, etc.
...
---Haz27 on 4/1/16

Hate to hear. Always had a warm spot for Australia. Still do.
Quite amazing is how fast all this has taken place in our countries.
The similarity's are like King Solomon's times. Our covenanted blessings are going to become our curse. In the sharing of them we have blindly allowed the jealous and ungodly a firm hold.
Weaklings, these hirlings, blind preachers, priest's, monks who were never called to begin with add to the scriptural confusion.
Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
---Trav on 4/1/16


Haz27:

You must really have a bee in your bonnet for Marxists and Leftists - you used those words 9 times in your last post.

Leftist thugs, like their predecessors the Nazi Brown Shirts,

Nazis were RIGHT-wing extremists, not LEFT-wing ones. Left-wing communists were their mortal enemies.

Also, where do you get the idea that the LGBT agenda is Marxist? One common feature of every Marxist government is persecution of LGBT people. This is one of the few things Marxists and Nazis (and Muslim extremists, and Christian extremists, for that matter) have in common, other than extremism itself.
---StrongAxe on 4/1/16


Trav, the Marxists/Leftists here in Australia are still as bad as in U.S, dominating the mainstream media, universities, most of politics, etc.
This win against the Marxist Left over their Safe Schools Coalition manipulation of school children with their twisted LGBT agenda, is only a small win.

Of course the Leftists in the media, politics etc objected with the Left's trademark lies and victimhood claims.

Leftist thugs, like their predecessors the Nazi Brown Shirts, even trashed the political office of one of the leading conservative politicians who opposed the Marxist plan to manipulate children with sick LGBT lusts. Staff at the office had to lock themselves away for protection against these Leftist thugs.



---Haz27 on 4/1/16


Trav:

I frequently provide scriptures. You just ignore them...
---StrongAxe on 3/31/16

Well I just looked at 20 of your recent p.c. post. You provided 1 scripture in twenty posts. This particular scripture was attempting to defend your mostly closeted "lukewarm" buddy who likewise provides few to no scriptural witnesses for his fence straddling opinions, doctrines or church. He can't.
Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Mat_18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
---Trav on 4/1/16


...due to opposition from parents and conservatives the Australian government is now going to remove the twisted Marxist LGBT aspects of the deceitfully named Safe Schools program.
---Haz27 on 3/30/16

This is great news Haz. Pray for America that some real "Men" would stand up here. The pantywaist preachers/priest/monks we have across this nation, have indoctrinated a generation of scripturally confused girly boys. (Yes I was asking sarcastic but, also earnestly)
This verse below seems to apply to our times.
Isa_3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
---Trav on 3/31/16


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Trav:

You wrote: You two being lukewarm and politically correct, do provide scriptural opportunity's for "sheep" to avoid error.

I frequently provide scriptures. You just ignore them when they don't agree with your own personal beliefs.


In "Is USA in Bible Prophecy", you claimed: It is impossible to be both a Christian and a Democrat - the two are mutually exclusive.

This is not true, as more than 50% of Americans claim to be Christian, and about half of Americans are Democrats. Unfortunately, the thread closed before you could prove your claim with scripture. Could you please enlighten us?
---StrongAxe on 3/31/16


Trav is the accuser (who else in the Bible has that role, I wonder?)
---StrongAxe on 3/30/16

There is no accusation. I asked Cluny a yes or no question. He knew by answering yes or no he would be exposed for his beliefs, which apparently he would rather not be known on a Christian forum. He tried to turn the question away from him with personal insults. If his posts had scriptural light they would show it, about his un-orthodoc's church or his doctrines. Neither do, nor his defender, being you. You two being lukewarm and politically correct, do provide scriptural opportunity's for "sheep" to avoid error.
Thanks.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
---Trav on 3/31/16


StrongAxe. Both Cluny and Trav were using sarcasm in their banter. I did not consider most of their allegations (especially the dating one) against each other to be serious in intent.

I joined in with smily's (perhaps you missed them in my previous post) as an indication of also joking around about the dating allegation.

My main point, however, was to give an update to Cluny that due to opposition from parents and conservatives the Australian government is now going to remove the twisted Marxist LGBT aspects of the deceitfully named Safe Schools program.
---Haz27 on 3/30/16


Haz27:

You wrote: But now I see suggestions you date Christian men.

This whole discussion has gone WAY off the rails.

Cluny said he only dated within his own species and only Christians - (obviously) sarcastically suggesting Trav was neither.

Trav created a straw man by changing "Christians" to "Christian MEN", and derailed this further into a dispute about sexuality.

Trav is the accuser (who else in the Bible has that role, I wonder?), not judge and jury.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/16


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Cluny, you're a worry :)
At first I was surprised when you argued in support of the Marxist agenda of the LGBT manipulation of school children through the deceitfully named "Safe Schools Coalition" in Australia.

But now I see suggestions you date Christian men. What is going on with you? Someone would think you're a cultural Marxist liberal :)

But seriously though, an update about the LGBT Safe Schools con in Australia, our liberal/Left prime minister (who oddly is the leader of the conservative LNP party) has had to back down after pressure from parents and conservatives etc opposing the twisted Safe Schools con. There will now be changes to remove the twisted LGBT lusts from the Safe Schools program.
---Haz27 on 3/26/16


\\Only dating Christian men, wow!\\

WRONG!

Only Christian people.

Of which you are neither.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/16


\\Were you perceived as such?
Were you? Are you now?
\\

If you're asking me for a date, Trav, you should know I date only within my own species.
And I would NEVER date a non-Christian under any circumstances.
---Cluny on 3/16/16

A "Yes" was too tough for ya, a "No" didn't apply so you closed your door...again.
Well, all got an answer anyway.
Only dating Christian men, wow! Of the un-orthodoc's species of course.
Pro_15:20 A wise son maketh a glad father: but a foolish man despiseth his mother.
---Trav on 3/22/16


\\Were you perceived as such?
Were you? Are you now?
\\

If you're asking me for a date, Trav, you should know I date only within my own species.

And I would NEVER date a non-Christian under any circumstances.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/16


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Do you think that children who are different--or merely PERCEIVED as being different--be they LGBT or otherwise--or merely PERCEIVED as such....

Please answer with a Yes or No.
---Cluny on 3/11/16

Were you perceived as such?
Were you? Are you now?

Please answer with a yes or no.
Will help explain the way you appear in print.

1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 3/16/16


Cluny, now you say:
"So Pope Pius XII didn't really add anything."

what do you mean he didn't add anything. He made it a requirement or a law. If you do not believe what he says you have fallen from the faith.
There is many traditions they added to the members of the church.
---Luke on 3/16/16


No, Samuel, I don't.

The "stational days" as the normal Wednesday and Friday fasts were called is an ancient pre-schism custom that pre-dates even the split of the Nestorians, but it's impossible to discuss Church history with people who have no concept of it.

The reduction of this fasting to simply eating fish on Friday is LAX.

According to St. Justin Martyr and other second century writers, Christians had been meeting in the wee hours of Sunday morning for the Eucharist since the first century--that is, times of the Apostles.

The idea that the Catholic Church/Pope changed Saturday to Sunday has no basis in reality.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/16


Cluny I understand that you are starting lent. I am not sure how you say to have a good Lenten period.

The RCC started fish or no meat Fridays and priests cannot marry. They also state that they alone established the canon as well as changed the day of worship to Sunday.

Do you agree?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/15/16


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\\Cluny, I showed you just one doctrine that the Catholic Church made up. You never said I was right.\\

And you didn't understand the meaning of what I was saying.

Let me put it another way:

The Catholic Church did not make this up.

So try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/16


Cluny, I showed you just one doctrine that the Catholic Church made up. You never said I was right. But instead you say others like Luther believed doctrines the Catholic Church taught. Of course they did in the beginning because they were Catholic, they had been taught for many years many things to later find out the Truth. That is when the light came on because God showed them where the Church was wrong. The Holy Spirit brought light to His word. Not the churches word. And they finally were saved with the true gospel. Praise God.
---Luke on 3/14/16


Luke, pre-reformation Christians had ALWAYS believed this.

Even Martin Luther's last sermon was on the Assumption of the Virgin.

Did you know that?

So Pope Pius XII didn't really add anything.

It's Protestants who SUBTRACTED things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/16


Cluny, I will name one:
A. Pope Pius XII
B. the Assumption
C. 1950
D. He declared that at the end of Mary's life she was taken up body and soul into heaven.
E. Penalty for not believing him- "If anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or call in doubt that which we defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine faith and Catholic faith."
In other words he has lost his salvation. Pretty harsh words when even with his divine assistance he was unable to know for certain whether she had died or not.
He made it all up for nothing is in Scripture. A New doctrine, believe it and you will be save, if not, you lose your salvation.
---Luke on 3/11/16


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\\Monk, go ahead and call the pope and tell him to make a new doctrine. They have already made a lot of new doctrines, one more will not change the Catholic Church.
\\

Please name one, and tell us when it was made.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/16


Monk, go ahead and call the pope and tell him to make a new doctrine. They have already made a lot of new doctrines, one more will not change the Catholic Church.
Cluny maybe laughs because he doesn't have a pope.
---Luke on 3/8/16


//those are human terms to help us understand//- Samuelbb7 (3/2/16,"JW,LDS,SDA" blog).

They are human term to help you understand a man-made, pagan doctrine. A pagan trinity doctrine that was worshipped by pagans long before Christ came to earth. They are trinitarian terms no where to be found in Gods word the Bible.

Again I keep telling you, Isaiah 9:6 speaks of a "son... a Prince". The Almighty God is not a 'prince'. A prince is the son of a King. Jesus is the son of God.

John 1:18 states, 'no man has seen God'. Trinitarians contradict this by saying 'Jesus is God incarnate'.

You cannot show me scriptures which state 'trinity', or 'God the holy spirit'. You teach a false doctrine.
---David8318 on 3/8/16


//doctrine of the Holy Trinity//- Cluny.

Another serious problem for trinitarians. Does the Bible describe the pagan trinity as "Holy". What does the Bible describe as "holy"?

'[Jesus], the Holy One of God'- Jo.6:69, Acts 4:27,30,

'holy spirit...'- Jo.1:33,

'holy ones [angels]...'- Jude 14,

'holy nation...'- 1Peter 2:3.

The Bible describes many individuals and things as "holy".

But no where does the Bible decribe the trinity as 'holy'.

The trinity is "holy" only in the pagan circles Cluny operates in.
---David8318 on 3/7/16


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To me it does not matter. We must follow Him as LORD and Savior.

I have run into some who say if you pronounce his name wrong you will be lost. This is where people try to make themselves the judge instead of GOD.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/16


Actually the NT is steeped with "LORD JESUS CHRIST" and "JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD" as well. Scripture also states, Jesus is LORD and CHRIST. And Jesus Christ is LORD.

And what name does Jesus refer to HIMSELF when talking to John in Revelation 1? ?..along with definitions.....First Last, Alpha, Omega, Beginning End, Or even at the end of Revelation? What about "I AM"? Or ONLY BEGOTTEN SON? Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow. In the end
" every knee shall bow, and confess JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. "

Never take the emphasis off the fact that Jesus Christ IS LORD. IS GOD. And make sure what ever name you put first, don't leave out LORD.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/16


Rob said, "Jesus Christ before the Cross.
Christ Jesus after the Cross."


Hallelujah!!! I shall have to call the Pope and beg him to declare this as a doctrine of the Church! This is one doctrine that should be declared infallibly.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/3/15


/Jesus Christ before the Cross.
Christ Jesus after the Cross.\-Rob on 12/2/15
Scripture doesn't pan this out.
This is something trying to be put into God's Word rather than be extracted from it.
Phi 1:26 That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.
1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
-Just a few examples
-The difference is grammatical only.
---micha9344 on 12/3/15


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This is the most profound life-changing doctrine I've ever heard.

It makes me yearn for deeper consecration and the prayer life.

Thank you.

Glory to Jesus Christ Jesus!

---Cluny on 12/2/15


LOL. I detect a little sarcasm. :)
---Jed on 12/3/15


This is the most profound life-changing doctrine I've ever heard.

It makes me yearn for deeper consecration and the prayer life.

Thank you.

Glory to Jesus Christ Jesus!
---Cluny on 12/2/15



Cluny, I will make it simple.

Jesus Christ before the Cross.

Christ Jesus after the Cross.

---Rob on 12/2/15


That doesn't even make any sense. Sounds like some silly semantics gimic. Mature Christians don't waste time with these games. His name is plainly Jesus. Christ is his title. Saying "Christ Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" is like saying "Dr. Phil" or "Phil, the doctor". They both mean exactly the same thing.
---Jed on 12/2/15


Why are you guys still drinking milk when you should be eating meat?
---Leon on 12/2/15


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The Apostle Paul uses the term "man of God" twice. The first time he is speaking to Timothy. The second time he uses the phrase to refer to those born of God as contrast to those of the world.
---trey on 12/2/15


Cluny, I will make it simple.

Jesus Christ before the Cross.

Christ Jesus after the Cross.
---Rob on 12/2/15


"You also.wrote, however the term man of God was also used. Please expound on this more."
Rob, what I wrote was "However, the broad-based term "man of God" was also used."
Broad-based is defined in general terms as "involving participation or support by a broad spectrum of things or people:"
In 2Ti 3:17 the term "man of God" is applied in those general terms, as a people willing to study and make an effort to apply scripture, (as that which is considered to be the inspired word of God,) in their personal lives, as well as a willingness to share it with others.
"That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
---Josef on 12/2/15


\\I don't think there is a difference I know there is a difference which most people miss.\\

Then tell us the difference as you see it, please. Life is too short for guessing games.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/15


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Josef, you wrote in the entire New Testament only one was directly refered to as man of God.

You are 100 percent correct. This shows you take the needed time to study and do research. You are to be commended.

You also.wrote, however the term man of God was also used. Please expound on this more.

In the past I called myself a man of God. Now I call myself a Child of God and refuse to call anyone a Man of God!
---Rob on 12/2/15


Often, all throughout scripture, Jesus is referred to as "THE CHRIST" (seemingly, it is a TITLE for The Jewish "Messiah" and OUR Savior).

Rom 9:5 to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.


Heb 11:26 He considered abuse suffered for the Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he looked to the reward.
---faithforfaith on 12/2/15


"Also, in the New Testament, how many people were called "Man of God"?"
Only one man was directly referred to as "Man of God". However, the broad-based term "man of God" was also used.
---Josef on 12/1/15


Cluny, you asked, you don't actually think there is any difference, do you?

I don't think there is a difference I know there is a difference which most people miss.

To this day, I'm so very thankful for the difference.

I will also be honest and admit for many, many years, I did not know this difference!
---Rob on 12/2/15


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You don't actually think there is any difference, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/15


Personally when I hear the term "Jesus Christ", I hear a reference to Jehovah's Anointed One.
When I hear the term "Christ Jesus", I hear a reference to The Anointed Savior.
When I hear the term "Christ" used alone, I hear a reference to the Saviors Anointing .
When I hear the Name Jesus used alone, I hear Jehovah saves or Jehovah is salvation.
However in each case my mind is drawn directly to The Anointed One and His Anointing, or The Father's Anointing of His Anointed One.
---Josef on 12/1/15


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