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Was Mary free of sin her whole life?

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Cluny You are mistaken about Davids mother. Nitzevet was an Israelite woman who was the mother of David according to the Talmud,but isn't in the Bible.She married Jesse,her father was Adal or Edal. David had two half sisters,Zeruiah and Abigail. The father of these sisters wasn't Jesse but Nahash,who was an Ammonite King. She was considered defiled by her previous relationship to an Ammonite for she was Jewish and it forbidden for her to marry an Ammonite. There was a recorded history of the Jewish people before the Bible was put together. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/17/15


\\Do you know what Raca means?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/15/15\\

Yes. It actually is a Semitic term of abuse for something we cannot mention on the blogs.

EGW was still a medium who channelled religious spirits that inspired her false prophecies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/15


\\David was conceived in sin because his mother was the concubine or wife of another man before she became David's mother.\\

Darlene, you're confusing David with his son Solomon, who was indeed begotten of Bathsheba, originally another man's wife.

But Jesse was David's father, and there is nothing in the Bible saying there was anything wrong with the relationship between Jesse and his wife.

You might be able to speak in tongues till the cows come home, Darlene, but you don't seem to know the Bible very well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/15


Luke 1:28 Having come in the angle said to her Rejoice highly favored one, The Lord is with you, Blessed are you among women

Romans 4:7 Blessed are those who lawless deeds are forgiven and sins are cover

---RichardC on 12/15/15


David was conceived in sin because his mother was the concubine or wife of another man before she became David's mother. It doesn't say if she was free when she became David's mother. It doesn't mean all were conceived in sin but that her situation brought sin. Good Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/15/15




That was a nasty attack cluny. It was not worthy of you.

E.G. White was not a medium. She did not speak to or pray to the dead.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Do you know what Raca means?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/15/15


For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Mary needed a savior as we do.
---Eliza on 12/15/15


\\nicole: You live in a fantasy world of things which do not exist.
\\

Let's see if I understand you properly.

You take a medium who channelled religious spirits as a prophet of God, but Nicole lives in a fantasy world of things which do not exist.

Do I understand you right, jerrity?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/15


A Protestant wouldn't think so, but Catholics teach that Mary was sinless or she could not be the Mother of God.
---yon6878 on 12/15/15


\\Do the math. Jesus considered Mary a sinner.\\

BCV where Jesus said this.

There are only 4 books where it can be, so this should be easy for you, jerryberry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/15




Nicole, babies are not sinners. They are born with a fallen nature from Adam. They are not born committing sins.
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" Psalm 51:5.
Because men are born in sin and are by nature spiritually dead, Jesus taught that men must be born anew if they are to enter God's Kingdom.
When a child is born, he is born a slave to sin even though he does not understand that yet. As he begins to grow his fallen nature will begin to show. That is why we are commanded to teach them what is right and what is wrong. Once they understand what they are doing they are now responsible to God for what they do.
---Luke on 12/15/15


nicole: You live in a fantasy world of things which do not exist.


---jerry6593 on 12/15/15


nicole: "Back at you: Where does it states babies are not sinners?"
Right after the verse that says Mary was saved at conception and remained sinless her whole life.---jerry6593 on 12/14/15

THANK YOU! EXAXTLY!

You just fail into your own trap of 'Only Scripture'.

As Cluny and I said. Follow your rules and we will follow Scripture stating Written and Oral
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/14/15


Infants, being part of the human race are born sinners.

King David wrote:
Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. (KJV)

These little sinners are in need of a Savior just like us big sinners! Thank God for the finished work of Jesus Christ!!!
---trey on 12/14/15


nicole: "Back at you: Where does it states babies are not sinners?"

Right after the verse that says Mary was saved at conception and remained sinless her whole life.



---jerry6593 on 12/14/15


Is a person guilty of a sin they have not done?
Can a baby who cannot reason commit a sin?--Samuelbb7 on 12/12/15

Hey it's you all who keep bringing up the verse

'All have sinned.' or 'All MEN are Sinners.' except Jesus Christ.

Cluny and I are just asking you all to PLEASE follow your own rule.

Are babies not part of all mankind?

Where in the Bible states Babies are NOT SINNERS.

Please show me, because I can't FIND it in the Bible.

You want me to show you in the Bible where it states Mary is without sin, Okay.

Back at you: Where does it states babies are not sinners?

The Bible states ALL which includes babies.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/13/15


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Nicole: Stop going in circles. You keep dodging the issue. I prove that Mary was 100% sinful and that your assertion of her salvation at conception is non-biblical fiction, and you go off on a tangent of my inability to speak and Thomas' doubts, etc.

Get a grip, will you?



---jerry6593 on 12/13/15


//So she was 100% sinful, right?//

Jerry we are going in circles.

That is most likely why God HAD TO SAVE HER AT HER CONCEPTION.

//There is a record in Scripture of the Holy Spirit impregnating Mary.---jerry6593 on 12/12/15

For those of you who need to see in writing that Jesus is God. It's bad enough you can't say Mary is the mother of God, but can you image if that wasn't in the Gospel.

I bet you, you wouldn't be a Christian.

Ever wonder why Jesus allowed Thomas to touch His hands and side to help His disbelief?

Some need more convincing than others.

John 20:29
"Have you come to believe because you have seen me? BLESSED are THOSE who have not seen and have BELIEVED."
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/12/15


\\What scriptural evidence is there that Mary was saved at conception or that she was immaculately conceived or that original sin did not pass unto her?\\

Can you give scripture that supports the multiplication table?

Can jerry give scripture that support his idea that sin is inherited through half the DNA?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/15


Nicole: "Eve's DNA is made 100% from Adam remember? That is why it is called Original Sin."

So she was 100% sinful, right? There is a record in Scripture of the Holy Spirit impregnating Mary. Why do you think there is no record of Mary being magically "saved" at conception, but rather that theory must wait for centuries to be invented by some papist man?


---jerry6593 on 12/12/15


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But where does the Bible teach original sin. That we are guilty of sins we have not done?

Is a person guilty of a sin they have not done?

Can a baby who cannot reason commit a sin?

Do Babies who are not baptized burn in hell for all eternity for sins they never committed?
---Samuelbb7 on 12/12/15


What exactly is anyone saying when they say Original Sin passed to all? The verses I found doesn't say Adam's original sin was passed down but that he opened(my word) the door for sin and death to enter into the world and cause all to be under that curse for all have sinned and come short of the Glory of the Lord and without repentance all die. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/12/15


If there was a point in time that Mary needed saved, there was a point in time she was sinner.--micha9344 on 12/11/15

Yes she was a sinner at her conception until God Saved her of the original sin.


..the Bible would have included such a monumental happening?---Jed on 12/11/15

Really?

If there isn't enough books for everything Jesus did which would be a monumental happening since he is God, why would you want more information on a human?

John 21:25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but it these were to be DESCRIBED individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/15


If there was a point in time that Mary needed saved, there was a point in time she was a sinner.
Was Mary free of sin her whole life?
The answer is no.
---micha9344 on 12/11/15


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When the sperm enters the egg it forms a BABY.
That said BABY is Mary who was Saved the moment she was conceived.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/15


And yet none of the that theory is actually found or even supported anywhere in the Bible. Don't you think if that was actually the case, the Bible would have included such a monumental happening?
---Jed on 12/11/15


Nicole, I like it that you've toned down your blogs. Now I am asking a simple question:
What scriptural evidence is there that Mary was saved at conception or that she was immaculately conceived or that original sin did not pass unto her?
If you can give me chapter and verse I'll believe.

In Christian Love,
---trey on 12/11/15


Saved from what? You also believe in original sin - that 1/2 of Mary's DNA inherited Adam's sin. Do the math. Jesus considered Mary a sinner. Deal with it.---jerry6593

Saved from original sin.
I will deal with your math as Cluny did with me. In a kind nice way.

It is off.

Mary is a full person with 50% of DNA from her mother and father who DNA all came from Adam.

Eve's DNA is made 100% from Adam remember? That is why it is called Original Sin.

When the sperm enters the egg it forms a BABY.
That said BABY is Mary who was Saved the moment she was conceived.

I dealt with it as you suggested.

How you deal with it is not my concern but yours and God.

Year of Mercy
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/11/15


Nicole: You claim that Mary was saved at conception. Saved from what? You also believe in original sin - that 1/2 of Mary's DNA inherited Adam's sin. Jesus SAID that He came to save SINNERS. You also believe that Jesus saved Mary.

Do the math. Jesus considered Mary a sinner.

Deal with it.


---jerry6593 on 12/11/15


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Jesus said that ALL have sinned - that would include Mary. Why would you expect others to accept a.. made-up theory-jerry6593 on 12/10/15

You just made that up.

Where in the Bible did JESUS SAY all have sinned?

He didn't.

Now in Romans 3:23
Paul said all have sinned.

But, you all disagree with Paul and us when we (Catholics) claims babies are part of all.

You can't make up your mind what that verse means.

Is Jesus part of mankind?
Is He part of all?

So am I making up theories, or did you make a mistake when you said Jesus said all have sinned.

Because Jesus knows if His Mother have sinned or not.

And Jesus NEVER said His Mother is a sinner. NEVER.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/15


Why do YOU think God chose Mary? Simply a random and fortuitous act?
---Cluny on 12/10/15

Why did God choose Abram?

God knows us before we know ourselves. God knew Abram and God knew Mary and God knew that Mary would accept the gift offered her.

But was Mary holy before God chose her?

It depends on your definition of holy. My definition of holy is different/unique/set apart for God's purpose. And according to the unreliable Apocryphal literature, Mary was.

But why answer a question with a question? You see, I do have an answer.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/10/15


\\Do you have a definitive source that describes why God chose Mary, or is this speculation?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/9/15\\

Why do YOU think God chose Mary? Simply a random and fortuitous act?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/15


If he (Jesus) had our sin nature in him it could not be said that no sin was in him. ---trey on 12/9/15

Why do you say this? What do you define as "our sin nature"?

I see the sin nature, or flesh as Paul describes it, as a spiritual blindness toward God that started with Adam. The sin nature has a proclivity for disobedience, rebelliousness, selfishness, and wrath. But sin itself is the actions we take on these proclivities.

However, what I do not see in our sin nature is any blame or responsibility for Adam's sin. I am not being punished by God for Adam's sin.

Therefore, Jesus definitely could have had our sin nature.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/10/15


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Jerry6593, the disagreement is about you all thinking Catholics don't think She needed Saving.

You all keep bring up her Magnificent. (when you quote Luke statement of Jesus SAVING her 1:46-55) which is said every evening in Vespers.

It's WHEN Mary was Saved. In which the RCC cerebrates her Salvation date on December 8th.
We cerebrate Mary's birth date on September 8th.
9 months apart.

We celebrate Jesus' Conception on March 25th.
9 months later His Birthdate.

Remember I said celebrate not declaring it a factual date, but a date we celebrate the event.

Your argument is if the RCC can know the point Mary was Saved, not if she was Saved.

We are in agreement of Mary needing to be Saved.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/10/15


We need to acknowledge as fact that the Roman Church belief concerning most things on Mary is based on tradition and politics rather than on Scripture or even good reasoning. We need to leave them in their ignorance as there are few other options.
---Riolion on 12/10/15


"Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. ---jerry6593 on 12/9/15"

The word tempted here means tested. Christ was tested and proven to be sinless. Chris is impeccable meaning he in not only without sin he cannot sin.

1John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin. (KJV)

If he had our sin nature in him it could not be said that no sin was in him.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (KJV)

Again, Christ being God could not be tempted as we are.
---trey on 12/9/15


Nicloe: "What part of Mary being SAVED AT HER conception has escaped you all?????"

The part that was recorded in Scripture. Jesus said that ALL have sinned - that would include Mary. Why would you expect others to accept a completely illogical, unbiblical, made-up theory from one of your pseudo-infallible popes without any scriptural backup?


---jerry6593 on 12/10/15


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And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. ---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/15

What part of Mary being SAVED AT HER conception has escaped you all?????

Only you all are claiming Mary wasn't Saved.

I keep telling you all at WHAT POINT she was Saved.

Now you can tell me you did agree that we know what point, but STOP the lying of saying Catholics don't think Mary didn't need a Savior.

She did and is Saved and Catholics are telling EVERYONE WHEN MARY WAS SAVED.

AT HER CONCEPTION!

GOT IT?
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/9/15


She was chosen to be the Theotokos because she is holy.
---Cluny on 12/9/15

There is no one holy like the Lord - 1 Sam 2:2.

Just as Abraham, Jacob, Job, and others were chosen by God, God chooses whom He pleases and God does not reveal His reasons for His choices.

Do you have a definitive source that describes why God chose Mary, or is this speculation?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/9/15


And just how do you think Mary was saved, Samuel?

By accepting YHVH into her heart as her personal savior?

In Jewish thought at that time (and still today) one is saved and redeemed by being part of the saved and redeemed people, not by interior faith decisions.

"Salvation" did not necessarily mean being saved from sin to them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/15


Good point Micha. I doubt Mary was ever free from sin. She needed a Savior.

Luke 1:46,47

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/9/15


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micha, can you deny that this is EXACTLY what the Virgin Mary did?

She heard the word of God, she believed it, and she kept it, as we are told in the Gospels.

The Theotokos is not holy because of her motherhood.

She was chosen to be the Theotokos because she is holy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/15


Luke 11:27-28 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it. KJV
Luk 11:28 But He said, On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it. NASB
Mark 3:33-35 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
It seems Jesus had a different view of his mother compared to the Word of God.
---micha9344 on 12/8/15


Lambs without spot or blemish, which is needed for the sacrifice,--micha9344

That means 'Virgin'...---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/15


All lambs are virgins, since once they reach sexual maturity they are no longer lambs. If a lamb "without spot or blemish" really meant "virgin lamb", then any ordinary lamb would suffice for the Passover and there would have been no reason for God to specify that the lamb be a virgin lamb, since they all are.
---Jed on 12/8/15


Luke: "Jerry, your confused. The passage in Romans does not say Jesus had our sinful nature."

I disagree. The Bible confirms that Jesus did indeed have the same sinful, lustful nature as us and thus He was tempted to sin. But temptation is not sin, and he resisted the temptation by power from above - the same as we can.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.


---jerry6593 on 12/9/15


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The papal claim of superiority over God is blasphemy!



---jerry6593 on 12/9/15


Jed you are so confused about the Passover.

I belive you are speaking to liberal Jewish people speaking about the Passover.

Sorry, but if you don't understand the Holy Mass, you can't understand the Passover.

Jesus is the Lamb and is the One who has to be a Virgin.

Mary's body given to Jesus can not have original sin because the Body has to be Perfect.

You had to offer a perfect lamb to sacrifice to God.

No 3 legged lamb allowed.

Read Exodus chapter 12.
Then ask yourself what Lamb you are eating?

Because Jesus said HE came to fulfill the Law not abolish it.

Jesus came not to be Passed but to be the Lamb so you and I can be passed.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/15



Lambs without spot or blemish, which is needed for the sacrifice,--micha9344
That means 'Virgin'

Where on earth did you get that idea?---Jed

Jewish's rules for providing a lamb or goat for the Passover meal according to God's command given to Moses. Look it up.
---Nicole_Lacey


Oh but I have. In fact, I am very well connected with Jewish Passover and am well aware of the requirement for a lamb without spot or blemish. Where did you get the idea that means virgin? That is total hogwash and is nowhere in either the Bible or in Jewish Tradition. "Without spot or blemish" means just exactly that. Furthermore, Mary was not our sacrifice lamb, so she wouldn't have to be without spot or blemish.
---Jed on 12/8/15


"Without spot or blemish" meant "no deformities" not "virgin."
Nicole, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion, or who told you that, but it is false. If a person told you this, he is not infallible.
Scripture does not pan out the "virgin" definition, but does readily show the "no deformity" one.
Lev 21:17-20 speaks of the sons of Aaron being without blemish. The same requirement existed for the sacrifices made by these men.
Nonetheless, Jesus fit either definition without anything being required by Mary, save fulfilling the prophecy of her being a virgin.
Speaking of what God can do, He can give birth to the messiah through a fallen creature.
---micha9344 on 12/8/15


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Nicole, there is no information concerning Mary that tells us that she was conceived sinless or that she was saved at conception. Anyone who says she was, is something someone found easy to make up, especially a pope who would tell the members it had to be believed, and of course people like you believe him. We know by the word of God that only Jesus was sinless, and we know that salvation comes by grace through faith in the works of Christ. Of course God can do anything. But the things He did, He wrote them down for us to know. Anything outside the Gospel of Christ, is a fake gospel.
We were warned about people that would preach another gospel. Whatever gospel you are believing is a false gospel.
---Luke on 12/8/15


Lambs without spot or blemish, which is needed for the sacrifice,--micha9344
That means 'Virgin'

Where on earth did you get that idea?---Jed

Jewish's rules for providing a lamb or goat for the Passover meal according to God's command given to Moses. Look it up.


//No one can be saved at conception.---Jed

Really??

What part of God being God limits Him to your belief of Him being capable of anything?

God can make old ladies in their 90's conceived.

God can give Jesus a Body without the DNA of a male and only from a female?

But SAVE a person at conception??

Luke 1:36-37..for her who was called BARREN,, FOR NOTHING WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD.

Trust God not your logic.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/15


Nearly all the doctrines/dogmas of Mary are based upon the book the Protoevangelium of James. The book is contained within the Apocryphal section of the RCC and Orthodox Bibles.

The Protoevangelium of James was written a minimum of 100 years after the crucifixion, most likely 100-150 years after the death of Mary.

At best, the book is unreliable. The authorship of the book is unconfirmed. It is doubtful that the author is James, the brother of Jesus. It is likely the book was written in response to the desire of new Believers for information about Jesus and his lineage, specifically Mary. The facts in the book have never been substantiated and many contradict events and practices of Judaism at the time.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/8/15


Being Saved at conception or after being conception is still being SAVED.

No one can be saved at conception.

Called Original Sin. That is why we baptize babies.

Another unbiblical Catholic tradition.

Mary was Saved on her conception so the Original sin can not be passed to Jesus' Body because if it was His Body would be of no use to Sacrificed on our behalf.

BCV, please.

//Lambs without spot or blemish, which is needed for the sacrifice,--micha9344

That means 'Virgin'


Where on earth did you get that idea?
---Jed on 12/7/15


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Steveng, again it is called ORIGINAL SIN.

Means it came from the 1st who is Adam.
His DNA given to us contains the sin.

Called Original sin.
Baptizing the baby is to save the baby from the original sin. No personal sin is possible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/8/15


Jerry, your confused. The passage in Romans does not say Jesus had our sinful nature.
"In the likeness of sinful flesh" does not mean His nature was sinful. In the incarnation Christ became fully man. He took only the outward appearance of sinful flesh, because He was completely without sin (Heb. 4:15). Jesus was born of the Spirit. "Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit" Matt. 1:20.
The Catholic Church had a problem with what to do with Mary, so in order for Jesus to be without sin, they felt Mary had to be without sin.
---Luke on 12/8/15


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Called Original Sin. That is why we baptize babies."

Babies have no concept of Jesus, sin, God, repentance making them believe they are save because they were baptized as an infant. Persons must recognize that they are sinners, infants cannot, to truly be baptized.
---Steveng on 12/7/15


Mary was no more free of sin than we are.--michael_e

Being Saved at conception or after being conception is still being SAVED.

//Mary..called Jesus her Savior. Luke 1:46,47. If she was without sin, she would not need a Savior. To save her from what if she had no sin? We all need a Savior because we are all sinners.---Luke

Called Original Sin. That is why we baptize babies.

Mary was Saved on her conception so the Original sin can not be passed to Jesus' Body because if it was His Body would be of no use to Sacrificed on our behalf.

//Lambs without spot or blemish, which is needed for the sacrifice,--micha9344

That means 'Virgin' which Jesus was. All that God demanded from the Jews He does but better.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/15


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No, Mary was not free of sin. The Bible declares that ALL have sinned, and that includes Mary. Because of the false doctrine of Original Sin, which assumes that we are guilty of Adam's sin and deserving of death at birth, it was conjectured that Mary must be made sinless so that Jesus could be sinless.

That doctrine ignores the fact that Mary's parents were sinful and their parents, etc., so that Mary could never be born sinless. It also belies the Bible wherein it is declared that Jesus was born with our same nature, as:

Rom 8:3 ... God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh ...


---jerry6593 on 12/7/15


Mary was no more free of sin than we are. Jesus was perfect, Mary was not (Rom 3:23)
---michael_e on 12/7/15


And no, Mary was never sinless, not when she was born or after. In fact she called Jesus her Savior.
"And Mary said: My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit rejoiced in God my Savior." Luke 1:46,47.
If she was without sin, she would not need a Savior. To save her from what if she had no sin?
We all need a Savior because we are all sinners.
If for some miracle she was born sinless, her father and mom would have had to be sinless, and then her mom and father and so on. And nowhere in Scripture are we told that she became sinless at any point in her life. Those are ideas that came through popes to elevate her life and make her something she never was.
---Luke on 12/7/15


Lambs without spot or blemish, which is needed for the sacrifice, don't necessarily have to come from a ewe without spot or blemish.
The qualification rests on the lamb to be sacrificed.
---micha9344 on 12/6/15


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My only desire is to search the Scriptures to see whether these things are so...My friend, if Mary was different than any other human being can you please give Scripture for it, Nicole?..It leaves no doubt concerning Jesus, if we believe the Scriptures.---Ruthanna

Why are you leaving out the Church Jesus left before returning to His Father?

Jesus did not leave a Bible.

Aren't you not limiting yourself claiming you can only use the Scriptures for your answers?

I was answering your question.

Where in the Bible states only use the Bible when Jesus states Himself to obey orally?

"Whoever listens to you listens me" Luke 10:16 and John 5:24

No words from Jesus about reading His Words on paper.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/15


Nicole, I don't know where you got that from, that the church has authority over the Bible. What church? Yours? The church is filled with sinners, and you are claiming they have authority over the word of God. Such nonsense. If you do not believe there is sinners in your church just check the newspapers. The evidence is there.
No one has authority over the Word of God. It came by inspiration of God. God could have wrote the whole Bible Himself but had human beings who were led by God to write and accept His Word.
Nowhere did He tell us that sinful man could change what He wrote. You better confess you sin against God, it is blasphemy.
---Luke on 12/7/15


Nicole: "The Church has the Authority over the Bible because She compiled the Bible."

BUNK!

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The Bible is the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God. To say that the Church has dominion over Jesus is to say that the wife has dominion over the husband.

The papal claim of superiority over God is blasphemy!


---jerry6593 on 12/7/15


Hi, Nicole!

I'm sorry but you totally lost me.

I was discussing the fact that the Bible says Jesus is sinless but it doesn't say anywhere that Mary was as far as I can find.

I don't follow your last post. I don't see what it has to do with what was being discussed.
---Ruthanna on 12/6/15


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Ruthanna, the problem is that you placed a limit on yourself that Jesus didn't ask of you.

Show me in the Bible that you only need Scriptures? No Church?

If the Bible is that important why wasn't it important enough for Jesus to LEAVE written copies of Him?

Jesus felt only the Church was necessary before returning to His Father.

In fact Jesus said "Anyone who listens to you listens to Me and listens to My Father."

No where did Jesus say "Who reads what you say I say listens to Me and so listens to My Fathers."

Truly think about what I wrote.
I am not trying to be smart.
But, you been tricked.

The Church has the Authority over the Bible because She compiled the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/15


If I pulled you out of the hole, I saved you.
If I stopped you from falling into the hole, didn't I still saved you?
Mary is saved and Jesus is still her Savior.

Who's talking about Jesus being sinless?

I am talking about the Body Jesus needed in order to sacrifice for Mary, you and I.

Or are you suggesting Jesus can't save Mary before the Cross? God is outside of time.

Original sin has to be stopped and God in his Wisdom stopped it at Mary's Conception.

Dec 8th, we celebrate the Immaculate Conception.

Please DON'T CONFUSE it with the Virginal Conception which 90% of Christians do.
The later deals with Jesus' conception and the first is Mary's conception of her parents Anna and Joachim.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/6/15


My only desire is to search the Scriptures to see whether these things are so.

My friend, if Mary was different than any other human being can you please give Scripture for it, Nicole?

I believe we agree that Scripture specifically says Jesus is without sin, is one with the Father and was conceived of the Holy Ghost (Hebrews 4:14-15, 2 Corinthians 5:21, John 10:30,37-38, Matthew 1:20-25).

But I can't find any place in Scripture where anything even similar is said of Mary.
If Mary was different than other humans wouldn't Scripture have shown us that very plainly? It leaves no doubt concerning Jesus, if we believe the Scriptures.
---Ruthanna on 12/6/15


Nikie: Trey is right. Jesus was born sinless because He wasn't born of the seed of Adam. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, not of Joseph. Mary was the virgin vessel God chose, not because she was sinless, but because she was a faithful & obedient believer. Yet Mary, who wasn't sinless, needed to be saved too.
---Leon on 12/5/15


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No Trey because Jesus said don't give pearls to swine.

I am not calling you a pig.

What Jesus is saying if someone can't or refuse to understand something holy don't even try to explain it to them/or allow them into the mystery.

As for myself, I don't mind the blog, because there might be ONE PERSON reading these blogs who finally understands.

I don't even have to know about that person.

Anyway.

Mary is free of sin because Jesus' Grace kept her from sin.

Jesus needed a Body without sin (Original sin) to offer up to God.

No sinful body can free mankind of sin.
It must be without sin and it starts with Mary because her body is the only DNA giving to Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/15


True Trey. Jesus, the Son of God, also became a man by being born of a woman (Mary) by the Holy Spirit. Mary was a human being who, like the first woman Eve, had a sin nature. So, she was a sinner by virtue of her sin nature. The Bible clearly indicates Mary, called highly favored of God, didn't consciously practice sin. Yet, like all human being since Adam & Eve, Mary also needed a Savior.
---Leon on 12/5/15


Because Mary is not still living is proof that she was not sinless.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

The reason Monk doesn't want to discuss this is because it would prove that the Catholics are in error on this point.
---trey on 12/5/15


No she was not.

Rom 3:23 For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
---jason9835 on 12/4/15


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"Was Mary free of sin her whole life?" No.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
---josef on 12/5/15


It is pointless to discuss Marian doctrine when a lot of people don't believe that Mary's son is God incarnate.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 12/5/15


The Bible never says Mary was free of sin.

Also . . . when John during the vision of Revelation sees Heaven, nowhere does he say he saw Mary sitting on the throne with Jesus. And John was on the island of Patmos at that time . . . no longer at his home where Mary stayed with him. So . . . possibly . . . Mary was already gone and then John was put on Patmos, when he could have seen her on the throne if she really was there.

And because a cult could have tried to take parts of Mary's body, possibly the Christians hid her body and let cultic people suppose . . . assume the "Blessed Assumption", since they couldn't find her body.
---Bill on 12/4/15


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