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Many denominational churches are using the "Star Wars" saga to teach about Christmas and Christianity. One church is having a three week series using Star Wars characters and plot entitled "Cosmic Christmas." Your thoughts on using entertainment trends to teach the Gospel?

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"Are you so deluded... Cluny"

Cluny masquerading as a Catholic without a pope must still be under the influence from his pagan January 7 Mithra-mas celebration.

Like strongaxe, Cluny must also be spoon fed. They both need a command for everything and anything that isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible.

Generally, laws were and still are time specific. Bible principles on the otherhand are timeless. But Cluny is too ivolved with pagan Mithra to understand this.

Those guided by the Bible will apply principles such as 2Cor.6:14,15 and realise you cannot associate Christ with Belial, Mithra, saturnalia or any false god as Cluny and strongaxe do and presume be acceptable to the Lord- Mt.7:23.
---David8318 on 1/9/16


\\Saying it again and again doesn't make strongaxe right. In fact it confirms his inability to discern Bible principles.\\

Are you so deluded you actually think that YOU understand Bible principles, David?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/16


//so I have to say it again// strongaxe.

Saying it again and again doesn't make strongaxe right. In fact it confirms his inability to discern Bible principles.

Strongaxe is unable to live by Bible principles and needs spoon feeding. Strongaxe wants the Bible to say, "Thou shalt not celebrate Jesus' birth on December 25". I meet the same unprincipled strongaxe type every day in my ministry. Some are happy to use class A drugs because there's no Bible command to say "Thou shalt not take heroin".

Because there are no specific commands covering either situation above, a Christian must use Bible principles to guide his decision. Using 2Cor.6:14,15, is it right to associate Christ with a pagan festival!?
---David8318 on 1/8/16


David8318:

Which part of Roman religion includes Santa Claus?

Santa Claus celebrates a Christian holy man, St. Nicholas, who gave to the poor. His day is Dec. 6. It's just modern American cusstom that has moved it to Dec. 25, so you can't put that onto "Christendom".


john9346 said: you don't answer a question with a question

Jesus did, when Pharisees asked what authority he had to heal the blind man. Rather than answer them, he asked where the power came from. When they refused to answer his question, he refused to answer theirs.

show from, "Sacred Scripture.", where Jesus or his disciples/apostles commanded ...

After you show where they commanded to argue on blogs.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/16


David, was the church apostate all those centuries until the JW organization was founded?
---john1944 on 1/8/16




//Saturnalia USED to be on Dec. 25// strongaxe.

That's exactly why Dec.25 was chosen by the apostate early church for their main festival. Saturnalia was the birth of the pagan Roman god Mithra. Christendoms apostasy twisted that pagan belief to the 'birth of God's son'. A simple switch from Mithra, to Jesus (Encyl.Brit).

//festivals... that coincide with those of previous religions, NOT to perpetuate the old ones, but to annihlate and replace them// strongaxe.

Has Christendom annihilated pagan customs associated with Dec.25 Saturnalia? Festive trees and decorations, revelries, Satan Claus? Hardly! They've adopted them, and blasphemously claim its link with Jesus' birth!- 2Cor.6:14,15.
---David8318 on 1/8/16


Cluny said, "Show where He or they forbade it."

Sir, you don't answer a question with a question, you answer the question then ask the question.

So again, please show from, "Sacred Scripture.", where Jesus or his disciples/apostles commanded, celebrated, or emphasized his birth?


seekers of the truth take note:
---john9346 on 1/8/16


\\Please show from Holy Scripture where Jesus or his disciples/apostles commanded, celebrated, or emphasized his birth ?
\\

Show where He or they forbade it.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/16


Strongaxe said, "How about a truly revolutionary concept: maybe Nicole celebrates the birthday of whom she, in fact, claims she is celebrating?"

But the more serious question is it the "God of the Bible." or another god??

Yahweh (the Lord) commands to be worshipped alone no other God, but him...Exo 20:1-5


On this topic, many people arrive at the same conclusion when they take their opinions to the bible the Word of God instead of the other way around.

the puritans did, justin, ignatius, polycarp, and polycrate did and all Jesus's Disciples followed his example after him.
---john9346 on 1/7/16


strongaxe, cluny and Nicole,


Please show from Holy Scripture where Jesus or his disciples/apostles commanded, celebrated, or emphasized his birth ?

Remember, the Lord Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry never spoke of his own "Birth.", but time and time again his death, burial, and resurrection.

This is my second time asking cluny for just 1 verse.

I am going to hold each one of you in the presence of the readers/viewers of this blog to an answer for the remainder of this dialog.
---john on 1/7/16




David8318:

To strongaxe, the Bible has no relavance today, he can do what he wants.

I keep saying this on one blog and another, but people keep missing it, so I have to say it again:

I challenge the logic of what people say (e.g. "so what" means "you have not demonstrated how the point you make is relevant to the conclusion you are claiming"). This does necessarily imply that I disagree with their conclusion, or their sources.

If you said "Jesus rose from the grave, therefore we should avoid drunkenness", I would also say "so what?" because the logic is flawed - even though I agree with both the premise and the conclusion. SO MANY people need to learn elementary logic.
---StrongAxe on 1/7/16


\\Again, Jesus didn't celebrate his own birthday neither did Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc.
\\

Do you have any proof of this?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/16


David8318: "Strongaxe doesn't care his Dec.25 festival is rooted in paganism. Thats his call. Many have broken free of this false teaching and believe in Jesus and worship God on matters of Bible principles."

Many pagan customs have entered the Christian Church since the time of Christ. Sunday sacredness, the immortality of the soul, Easter sunrise worship, to name a few, are widely celebrated, as you no doubt are aware. But that is no reason to disdain StrongAxe or any other Jesus-loving Christian.

I loved Christmas as a child before I became a Christian. The gathering of family and friends all happy and kind was very special. As a grandfather, I now prize those gatherings even more.


---jerry6593 on 1/8/16


//Again, so what?// strongaxe.

Oh the unprinicpled thinking of strongaxe is evident for all to see.

Strongaxe is unable to see the principle behind what Paul wrote at 2Cor.6:14,15. A person guided by Bible principles can discern the danger of associating Christ with anything in common with darkness, or falsehoods. To strongaxe, the Bible has no relavance today, he can do what he wants. "So what, who cares" is strongaxe mantra.

However, for millions, the truth does mater. Bible principles matter. Strongaxe doesn't care his Dec.25 festival is rooted in paganism. Thats his call. Many have broken free of this false teaching and believe in Jesus and worship God on matters of Bible principles.
---David8318 on 1/7/16


john:

How about a truly revolutionary concept: maybe Nicole celebrates the birthday of whom she, in fact, claims she is celebrating?

By saying "No, it's Saturn", you say "Pagans have power to give a day to their own god in perpetuity, and God has no power to change this". Rather, we say "No, they have no such power. All days belong to God, who has given them to us."

If December 25 occurs on a sabbath, do you sit in your home, weeping how the powers of pagans have ovridden the power of God, preventing you from worshiping?

there opinions on this topic came from reading "The bible The Word of God."

Many people read the Bible, but arrive at different opinions.
---StrongAxe on 1/7/16


Cluny, historians confirms Saturnalia was a roman holiday to the god Saturn.


People would feast in their homes, but the historian Livy notes that by 217 BC there would also be a huge public feast at the oldest temple in Rome, the Temple of Saturn. Macrobius confirms this, and says that the rowdy participants would spill out onto the street, with the participants shouting, Io Saturnalia! the way we might greet people with Merry Christmas! or Happy New Year!
---john on 1/7/16


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Cluny, historians confirm saturnalia was a roman holiday to the god saturn.



People would feast in their homes, but the historian Livy notes that by 217 BC there would also be a huge public feast at the oldest temple in Rome, the Temple of Saturn. Macrobius confirms this, and says that the rowdy participants would spill out onto the street, with the participants shouting, Io Saturnalia! the way we might greet people with Merry Christmas! or Happy New Year!

A small statue of Saturn might be present at such feasts, as if Saturn himself were there.
---john9346 on 1/7/16


Nicole said, "You can CELEBRATE birthday 10 days apart, but birth years be 40 years apart."

Nicole, the heart of the matter is whose birthday are you really and truly celebrating??

Again, Jesus didn't celebrate his own birthday neither did Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc.

In fact, it is not a requirement to believe in the celebration of his birth, but Jesus's Death, Burial, and Resurrection is a must for salvation.

See, 1 Cor 15:3-8
---john on 1/7/16


Strongaxe said, "
So what? I don't recall any voice coming from heaven over Ignatious, Polycarp, and Justin, saying "Behold my servant, in whom I am well pleased", nor over the Puritans saying "Behold my church"."

"Their opinions are just opinions (whether good ones or not), not the Word of God, hence not binding on any of us."

Sir, there opinions on this topic came from reading "The bible The Word of God." the one you say you read from and believe??


"Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them."

Jer 10:2
---john9346 on 1/7/16


David8318:

Again, so what? Saturnalia USED to be on Dec. 25. Christmas is now on it, totally replacing it. Nobody celebrates Saturnalia anymore.

What festivals do you celebrate? Do you slaughter lambs on passover and splatter their blood on your doors? If not, you aren't doing it biblically either.

And, of course, the only TRUE Christians are Jehovan's Witnesses, right?

Show me one verse where December 25 is associated with Belial. I never think of Belial. Why do you obsess over him so much?

Can you show us where God commands Christians to argue on internet blogs?
---StrongAxe on 1/7/16


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//Christmas... on the same day as Saturnalia. So what?// strongax.

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? (or Mithra... or Saturnalia?)"- 2Cor.6:14,15.

Strongaxe has no compunction associating Christ with 'Belial' or Saturnalia. True Christians however, do not associate Christ with any pagan deity whether Saturnalia, or Belial.

God told Abraham he would give him the land of the Jebusites- Ge.15:18-21. Not their pagan customs

Can strongaxe show us where God commands Christians to celebrate Christ's birth on the Roman Saturnalia?
---David8318 on 1/7/16


So Christmas happened to be chosen to be celebrated on the same day as Saturnalia. So what? It has been a long-standing practice in many religions to have festivals and holy places that coincide with those of previous religions, NOT to perpetuate the old ones, but to annihlate and replace them.

The Jebusites were pagans, who undoubtedly worshipped heathen gods in their home city of Jerusalem. The Israelites took over. Do we now call Jerusalem the Unholy City because it was used that way beforehand? God is the god of the present. Stop living in the past.
---StrongAxe on 1/6/16


//Saturnalia did not exist for thousands of years before Jesus was born//- Cluny.

This is correct. The Romans celebrated Saturnaltia, Mithras- birth of the unconquered sun- on their Julian Calendar date December 25, from around the year 274BCE.

Cluny's un-orthodox church not only adopt the pagan Roman festival of Saturnalia/Mithra on December 25, but also celebrate the Saturnalia using the Roman Julian Calendar!

And when does December 25 on the Julian calendar correspond to the Gregorian (or civil) calendar used today? Yes it's January 7.

Hope you enjoy your pagan Mithra-mas Cluny!
---David8318 on 1/6/16


\\Are you aware sir that christmas is a renaming of a holiday that had all ready existed thousands of years before Jesus was born?

Christmas is the Roman Saturnalia and what is the first commandment of the Ten Commandments sir?\\

But Saturnalia did not exist for thousands of years before Jesus was born.

Rome was founded only 745 (or so) years before Our Savior.

Try again.

YOU might observe Saturnalia. **I** observe the Nativity according to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ!

Christ is Baptized! In the Jordan!
---cluny on 1/6/16


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Winter Solstice (December 21st) Also known as Yule. This is the shortest day of the year. And, conversely, the longest night. Witches and warlocks celebrate the birth of the Sun God, as from this point forward the days get longer. Wiccan celebrations include yule logs, yule trees and Mistletoe.

Taken from a list of Wiccan Annual Holidays: Witches Calendar







---john on 1/5/16


john9346:

You said: the Puritans made christmas illegal because of its Pagan Origins and culture. ...
Church fathers Ignatius, Polycarp, and Justin would find christmas "Blasphemous and heretical."


So what? I don't recall any voice coming from heaven over Ignatious, Polycarp, and Justin, saying "Behold my servant, in whom I am well pleased", nor over the Puritans saying "Behold my church".

Their opinions are just opinions (whether good ones or not), not the Word of God, hence not binding on any of us.

As I said the topic of going to church is a straw man...

That must have started so far back on this thread, that I no longer recall who started it, or why.
---StrongAxe on 1/6/16


Strongaxe said, "Yes, but as I replied, that would not have been legal under the U.S. Constitution."

The US Constitution is irrelevant the discussion point sir is the Puritans made christmas illegal because of its Pagan Origins and culture.

As I said the topic of going to church is a straw man, but if you have taken the time to read its meaning sir you wouldn't be asking this question.


Church fathers Ignatius, Polycarp, and Justin would find christmas "Blasphemous and heretical."
---john9346 on 1/5/16


john9346:

You said: The puritans made christmas illegal in America do to its pagan origins and focus.

Yes, but as I replied, that would not have been legal under the U.S. Constitution (e.g. late 1770s).

From the Wikipedia article, laws suppressing the celebration of Christmas were repealed in 1681, long before then.


john:

You said: "Assembling." is ekklesia. In other words, Ekklesia means assembling, gathering, and congregating.

The verse I mentioned does not use the Greek word "ekklesia". Do you have any verses that actually command it?
---StrongAxe on 1/5/16


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Sorry, I have been away for couple of days.
Thanks StrongAxe for clarifying my statements well I was MIA.

//The statement was made that Jesus was baptized as an infant. I said that the Bible records His baptism as occurring some 30 years later (after His infancy). How can you possibly misconstrue that so badly?--jerry6593 on 1/3/16

I NEVER said Jesus was Baptized as an infant!!! You made that up.

John baptized Him. So you are claiming baby John baptized baby Jesus. Including the babies discussing among each other who SHOULD baptized who?

Come on! StronAxe gave a great example.

You can CELEBRATE birthday 10 days apart, but birth years be 40 years apart.

John, please be more specific.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/5/16


Strongaxe states, "Christmas and Saturnalia are on the same day." There are only 365 days a year. Any feast you like is likely on the same

Sir, christmas is a renaming of Saturnalia in worship to the God Saturn its historically noted.

The puritans made christmas illegal in America do to its pagan origins and focus.
---john9346 on 1/5/16


Strongaxe states, ""ekklesia" is not present in this verse. Were you thinking of another?"

"Assembling." is ekklesia. In other words, Ekklesia means assembling, gathering, and congregating.

Thanks for definition Steveng.

The question are we commanded to go to church brought up by nicole is a straw man.

Again, Jesus never commanded the celebration of his birth, but his death.
---john on 1/5/16


john9346:

Christmas and Saturnalia are on the same day. There are only 365 days a year. Any feast you like is likely on the same day as another you don't.

English names weekdays after sun, moon, Odin, Thor, Frey, Saturn, etc. Romance languages after moon, Mars, Mercury, Juno, Venus, etc. Do those upset you?


john:

No, during.

The constitution has not always stopped people from making laws that violate it (e.g. Japanese internment).

The word is ekklesia which does mean church in context.

Hebrews 10:25: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is...

"ekklesia" is not present in this verse. Were you thinking of another?
---StrongAxe on 1/4/16


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john wrote: "The word is ekklesia which does mean church in context."

The meaning of the word "church" has a completely different meaning today than in Jesus' time. The word church today means a building or denomination just by the way it's use: "I didn't see you in church today," "Our church has great entertainment," "Our church has a great (christmas, easter, halloween - choose your holiday) program, etc. The biblical meaning of "church" are the christians not anything made with man's hands.

Ekklesia actually beans "to gather" - wherever two or more are gather in Jesus' name there shall he be.
---Steveng on 1/4/16


Cluny states, "Nor does the Bible forbid it."

Are you aware sir that christmas is a renaming of a holiday that had all ready existed thousands of years before Jesus was born?

Christmas is the Roman Saturnalia and what is the first commandment of the Ten Commandments sir?
Also what did Jeremiah 10:2 command against?

Incense is irrelevant.
---john9346 on 1/4/16


Strongaxe said, "Jesus told John to take care of his mother, so she likely DID live with him."

Well sir, I think there is a misunderstanding, did you read Nicole's Full Response to me this is what I was responding to her statement.

strongaxe said, "Making it so violates the First Amendment. May BEFORE The USA was formed?

No, during.

Strongaxe said, "It says not to forsake fellowship, not necessarily church."

The word is ekklesia which does mean church in context.
---john on 1/4/16


\\computers is irrelevant Sacred Scripture does not command the celebration of the birth of Christ.\\

Nor does the Bible forbid it.

OTOH, the Bible DOES command the use of incense, and in Malachi prophecies that the Gentiles will offer it in every place.

Our church (Orthodox) follows that command. Does yours?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/4/16


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john:

Jesus told John to take care of his mother, so she likely DID live with him.

to say Jesus's Disciples weren't born during his birth is a clear assertion that I would like to see Scriptural Proof.

Life expectancy was short centuries ago. Jesus was around 30. If his disciples were even only 10 when he was born, they would be 40 - old men when he called them. They were likely much younger (so likely infants, or not even born yet).

Christmas was illegal at one time in America.

Making it so violates the First Amendment. May BEFORE The USA was formed?

BTW, the bible does command Going to Church.

It says not to forsake fellowship, not necessarily church.
---StrongAxe on 1/4/16


Cluny said, "Nor does the Bible command us to use computers, either."

computers is irrelevant Sacred Scripture does not command the celebration of the birth of Christ.

Can you cite 1 verse?
---john9346 on 1/3/16


Nicole said, "The birth account came from Mary who lived with the Apostle John."

First, this information comes from a False Gospel,furthermore, to say Jesus's Disciples weren't born during his birth is a clear assertion that I would like to see Scriptural Proof.

When the Lord Jesus Christ walked the earth, no where in Sacred Scripture where he said, "Celebrate/keep my Birth."

Neither did his disciples "The 12." the ones who walked with him know of such a practice.

You do know Christmas was illegal at one time in America.



BTW, the bible does command Going to Church.
---john on 1/3/16


jerry6593:

You said: Axey: I see your train of thought has taken another detour.

No, I was merely following the detour you started when you challenged Nicole with: The statement was made that Jesus was baptized as an infant

Who said that? She didn't. All she said was: The Christmas Season isn't over until the Baptism of the Lord on Jan 10th 2016. and I explained how this can mean 30 days plus a few weeks, not merely a few weeks.
---StrongAxe on 1/3/16


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Axey: I see your train of thought has taken another detour. The statement was made that Jesus was baptized as an infant. I said that the Bible records His baptism as occurring some 30 years later (after His infancy). How can you possibly misconstrue that so badly?



---jerry6593 on 1/3/16


Nicole, here is Luke 2: 30-33, and says nothing of what you quoted. You even went as far as saying verse 31b...... I believe these verses are saying the OT prophesied of Jesus, and scripture also says when Jesus was about His father's business, Mary and Joseph DIDN't understand what He meant.

Luke 2:30-33

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people,

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
---kathr4453 on 1/3/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Well explained.

Thank you.

Sometimes I can't understand way you are not Catholic.

I was raised Catholic. I left at around 10, when there were some difficult questions the priest could not (and/or would not) explain.

Later, when, as an adult, I returned to Christ, I found there were too many Catholic practices and beliefs I found incompatible with biblical Christianity to return.

Happy new year

Thank you. Same to you!


Cluny:

You wrote: Nor does the Bible command us to use computers, either.

So wouldn't that mean that computer use, as well as celebrating Christmas, would both be up to our own individual consciences?
---StrongAxe on 1/2/16


If (say) you were born on Dec. 25 1960 and I was born on Jan. 1 1950, my birthday would be a week after yours, even though I was born a decade earlier.---StrongAxe on 1/2/16

Well explained.

Sometimes I can't understand way you are not Catholic.

Happy new year
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/2/16


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\\The bible never commands us to celebrate Jesus's Birth,\\

Nor does the Bible command us to use computers, either.

Happy New Year!
---Cluny on 1/2/16


jerry6593:

you said: The Bible records that Jesus was baptized some 30 years later by John the Baptist. Where did you get your history from?

It is well known that anniversary days on calendars celebrate the day of something's occurrence, but not the year. Nobody seriously suggests that Jesus was crucified 4 months after he was born. 30 years and 4 months is much more likely.

If (say) you were born on Dec. 25 1960 and I was born on Jan. 1 1950, my birthday would be a week after yours, even though I was born a decade earlier.
---StrongAxe on 1/2/16


Kathr, what are you talking about? I was address John's statement:

The bible never commands us to celebrate Jesus's Birth,..If you read the Scriptures, neither Jesus nor the apostles never emphasized Jesus's Birth---john9346 on 12/31/15

The Bible doesn't commands us to go to Church either.

John is talking about being a witness to Jesus' birth.

Kathr, since Joseph and Jesus are dead, how do you think the accounts of Jesus being lost at the age of 12, both accounts of His Birth are in Luke and Matthew?

How did these stories get in the Bible?

Only one eye witness living! MARY.

Luke 2:31b
...and His mother (Mary) kept all these things (birth, Temple and Jesus being lost) in her heart.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/16


cloony: "Better than from a false prophetess who channelled a religious spirit, like you do, jerry."

As a true Protestant, I get my religious traditions ONLY from the Holy Bible, unlike you who get yours as leftover scraps from the Catholic trough.


Happy new year! Looking forward to another year of delightful banter with you.



---jerry6593 on 1/2/16


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\\May the Force be with you.
\\

I kept on expecting to hear, "And also with you," as a reply.

In the first MATRIX, Neo (the New Adam) was able to rise from the dead because of the love of the Trinity.

There's Morpheus as a St. John the Baptist.

There's Agent Smith who said, "I hate this planet and everything on it." Is there a better description of Satan?

There are other more subtle symbols.

Happy New Year!
---Cluny on 1/2/16


..very strong Christian symbolism in it. (I'm not talking about its sequels.)---Cluny

Actually, the 1st Star War tries to replace the famous saying of the Christian people obtained by the Jewish people.

May the Force be with you.

May GOD be with you.

After hearing about that swap, I find it hard to believe there are any Christian symbolism in that movie. I can't be sure since I never saw the movie, but George Lucas isn't a Christian according to my sources.

He was into the Maya Indians philosophy. Even believed in the Mayan Prophecy that the world was going to end in 2012.

Some of the head gear was designed from the Mayan's drawings.

The Narnia Series have many Christian symbolism.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/16


Nicole John was the YOUNGEST of all the apostles, and was only around 14 when Jesus was 30. Moses wasn't alround when God created the heavens and earth either. And if you now say Moses didn't write Genesis , the point is mute.......whoever you say wrote it wasn't there as an I witness to creation....and Adam wasn't either for the first 5 days.
---kathr4453 on 1/1/16


Better than from a false prophetess who channelled a religious spirit, like you do, jerry.

Happy New Year!
---Cluny on 1/1/16


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All institutional churches have manmade traditions. Some are good, some are not so good. Let us clean our own houses before telling others how to clean theirs.
---john1944 on 1/1/16


Nicole: "You just confirmed it."

You and cluny get your religious observances from the traditions of men - not from the Bible.



---jerry6593 on 1/1/16


Really, I am not trying to be smart.
The Apostles where not born, or just babies at the time of Jesus' birth. (Including Jesus)

It is called New Testament for a reason.

Testament means to give witness.

At the time of death, the Apostles were WITNESS to Jesus' Death and Resurrection.

So they emphasized what they saw.

The birth account came from Mary who lived with the Apostle John.

You don't think John asked about Jesus' Birth at the dinner table with Mary?

Or better yet, during the 10 days in the upper room (Acts) none of the Apostles and other women NEVER questioned Mary about His Birth?

HOW do you think we KNOW there wasn't an inn for Mary and Joseph when Mary gave birth to Jesus?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/1/16


Did anyone see the first MATRIX movie?

There was very strong Christian symbolism in it. (I'm not talking about its sequels.)

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/31/15


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The bible never commands us to celebrate Jesus's Birth, it only commands the celebration of his death...

If you read the Scriptures, neither Jesus nor the apostles never emphasized Jesus's Birth, but time and time again its his Death, Burial, and Resurrection.

See 1 Cor 15:1-8

Steveng had it right when he said, "I sometimes wonder if anyone reads the bible anymore."
---john9346 on 12/31/15


\\The Bible records that Jesus was baptized some 30 years later by John the Baptist. Where did you get your history from?\\

It's the liturgical commemoration of the Feasts of the Incarnation.

Orthodox observe the Baptism of Christ on the 6 of January.

The Gospel accounts of the infancy and childhood of Christ are read on the Sundays between 25 December and 6 January.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/15


The Bible records that Jesus was baptized some 30 years later by John the Baptist. Where did you get your history from?---jerry6593 on 12/30/15

You just confirmed it.

The RCC choose to celebrate the Baptism of the Lord on the 3rd Sunday after Christmas.

We are not saying He was Baptized 3 weeks later.

Come on, John the Baptist wasn't even one years of age.


Lets say you were found as a baby and no one knew the date of your birth.

Can't you pick a date to celebrate your birthday?

You being alive is proof you were born.

Try to think about your statement before trying to find fault with another person's statement.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/30/15


Nicole: "The Christmas Season isn't over until the Baptism of the Lord on Jan 10th 2016."

The Bible records that Jesus was baptized some 30 years later by John the Baptist. Where did you get your history from?



---jerry6593 on 12/30/15


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It is only Cluny, Monk and I still cerebrating Christmas?

Christmas isn't over.

There is a reason why the song is called '12 days of Christmas.'

Count the days from Dec 25th to Saturday before the 2nd Sunday after Christmas which happens to be the Epiphany of the Lord.

1st Sunday after Christmas was the 'Holy Family' (Joseph, Mary and Jesus) Yes, that FAMILY.

The Christmas Season isn't over until the Baptism of the Lord on Jan 10th 2016.

January 1st, we cerebrate Mary the Mother of God.

Because Jesus is still first even on the Julian Calendar.


Merry Christmas everyone!
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/29/15


Amen, Kathr! It's a breath of "fresh-air" to see someone, as you did, get into righteous indignation over against what is corrupt!

How rare, even in the Church today!

It's so important to be ready for the LORD's Return today (via the Rapture, Death, or the Mount of Olives)!

Time is too short to spend it all on entertainment to "teach" us the ways of the LORD.

YAH'sBlessings!
---Gordon on 12/18/15


Gordon, I remember when the Church exalted CS Lewis works as well, because the movie series was so popular. Those books, the Lion witch and wardrobe is the occult, not Christianity. Years ago someone in my church ( a deacon no doubt) gave them to my son who was then in elementary school. He read a couple chapters and started having nightmares. Low and behold, I went to the book store and found them in the OCCULT section. I was furious. That was the end of that. Even now, in his 40's , an avid reader, has traveled the world, has never shown an interest in those books, Harry Potter, or the Lord of the Rings books.
---kathr4453 on 12/17/15


I think some here may need to be reminded that the Holy Spirit empowers the WORD OF GOD, and testifies of Jesus Christ. Jesus said, " MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE" not George Lucas's. Scripture teaches scripture.

When Paul saw the Greeks " unknown god......he simply told them that God is not unknown. When the church uses Star Wars .....it is presuming upon it's congregation that they all went to see it and worshipped it. Then there should be a rebuke....if one wants to use Paul's example.
---kathr453 on 12/17/15


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And you have a very merry Mithra-mas Leon!
---David8318 on 12/17/15


Merry Christmas David!!! :)
---Leon on 12/17/15


STAR WARS is demonic. Why do these Churches use this as a way to "teach" those in the pews?

Apparently, the LORD's Parables, the Proverbs, etc. "are not enough"??

How much lower will the Church sink?
---Gordon on 12/17/15


//No one in the Church ever said He was actually born on December 25th// Leon.

They most certainly have! Maybe not in your church, but I've met many on my Christian ministry and here on CN over the years who will argue and debate their strong belief that Jesus was born on December 25.

//The Church simply picked a day to celebrated His birth//

Do you honestly believe Christendom simply plucked a date out of thin air? Leon, there is a reason why Christendom chose December 25. It was already a pagan festival- the Roman Saturnalia and the birthday of the pagan false god Mithra.

A Long Time Ago, In a Land Far Far Away... the December 25 pagan festival was in full swing long beofre Jesus was born.
---David8318 on 12/17/15


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Steveng, unfortunately for these churches, they seem to have overlooked the true Gospel. Nothing in Star Wars about anyone dying for the sin of the world. Nothing about being resurrected a New Creature. Nothing about teaching we are all sinners and all evil until we receive the righteousness of Christ making us acceptable. This ....we vs them...good vs evil gives folks a false security thinking they are the good.....

G Bush was also misled in thinking he has some special power to conquer evil. We see it has only gotten worse. Evil will not be eraticated until Jesus returns, and the New Heaven and earth come to be.
---kathr4453 on 12/17/15


David: What the devil (prince of darkness) means for evil, God always turns for good. All He asks is that we trust (have faith in) Him.

You're right, no one knows the actual date Jesus was born. That's not an issue. No one in the Church ever said He was actually born on December 25th. The Church simply picked a day to celebrated His birth. There is no evil in that, but only a high reverence to Holy God to thank Him for sending His Son into the world to deliver "ALL OF US" from the bonds of sin.

It's most appropriate that at a time of the year, when pagans worship evil in the darkness, the Church of Jesus Christ should counter their misguided & dark deeds by celebrating the Light of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Leon on 12/16/15


The Star Wars saga is a traditional story of good verses evil. How evil can sometimes be protrayed as good until it is unmasked.

The traditional Christmas festival celebrated in Christendom on December 25 is a classic example of something false (pagan) being portrayed as good.

Christendoms December 25 xmas celebration like most other beliefs it holds has nothing to do with the Gospel. Everyone knows the Bible doesn't give the exact date of Jesus' birth.

December 25 is the most important date on the pagan calendar for numerous reasons and is the date when pagans and false christians unite in worship. "Christians" celebrating on December 25 have certainly turned to the dark side.
---David8318 on 12/16/15


Like Scott pointed out, the Apostle Paul used the unknown god the Greeks worshiped to transition into & teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And, Jesus masterfully taught thru parables, to people living in an agrarian culture, in much the same way.

So long as what's being taught doesn't in any way compromise of diminish the Bible gospel, I think it's a good way to lateral from what people naturally know to the unknown supernatural Truth of God.
---Leon on 12/15/15


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Did Jesus teach using stories (parables)?
---NurseRobert on 12/15/15


1Co 9:19,21-22 For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some.
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me, [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.
Phi 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
---micha9344 on 12/15/15


Anything can somehow be used to teach. But I think the best is freely received and freely given, not a copy-cat thing limited to what someone has prepared. Prayer and learning how to love with one another as family is important. And preaching prepared prayerfully in the Holy Spirit can give us what we need.
---Bill on 12/15/15


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