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Doctrine Of Demons

The Apostle Paul wrote: 1 Timothy 4:1. What do you believe he meant by doctrines of devils?

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I believe that Jesus died for sinners. That I am a sinner who by the blood of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit has been Born Again to a new life in Jesus Christ.

I believe that there is only one mediator who we can turn too. Our High Priest Jesus Christ.

1Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Also Hebrews 12:24

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus,

He is the only one who Administers the true Sacrifice on the cross.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/4/16


You all believe what you want to believe.

I'll believe our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ and His holy Word.

Glory to Him!
---Cluny on 2/4/16


Cluny states, "Wrong again."
"It's not a reinstatement. It's a re-presentation on earth of the One Sacrifice eternally pleaded in Heaven."

Sir, it is still the same thing reinstate or re-presentation no matter the words reinstate or re-presentation the Lord Jesus Christ still has to die again and again.

Now I am sure you don't agree so here is my question tell us what happen at the cross and before you answer remember what your authority stated, " "The Eucharist is the same sacrifice of the Cross,"
---john9346 on 1/31/16


1Corithians 11:27-29

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinkIeth unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

We are to see that we are in a true relationship with GOD before we take communion.

In our church we was each other's feet. To also remember that Jesus took the place of a slave and washed his disciple's feet. Including those of Judas.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/16


\\Actually, to reinstate what happen at the cross is Jesus having to die again and again...
\\

Wrong again.

It's not a reinstatement. It's a re-presentation on earth of the One Sacrifice eternally pleaded in Heaven.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/29/16




Cluny said, "No one ever said Jesus dies in the Eucharist. That's merely your misunderstanding."

Actually, to reinstate what happen at the cross is Jesus having to die again and again try hearing what the Scriptures say about this sir.
---john9346 on 1/28/16


When those who are unworthy eat the bread and wine they are wrong...
---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/16

I believe you are misunderstanding the verse you are quoting.

The verse (1 Cor. 11:27) is saying that the manner in which they are eating the bread and wine is unworthy of the body and blood of Jesus. It is not the people who are unworthy.

The Corinthians were coming together at the church and eating and drinking prior to taking the Eucharist. As a result, some were hungry and some were drunk when they took the Eucharist.

But Paul tells them to eat and drink at home not before the Eucharist.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/28/16


\\the Lord Jesus Christ died only once. \\

No one ever said Jesus dies in the Eucharist. That's merely your misunderstanding.

It's the LIVING Body and Blood of the RISEN Christ we receive.

From the Orthodox viewpoint, the Sacrifice of the Eucharist is the change of the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of the sacrificed and RISEN Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/16


"The Eucharist is the same sacrifice of the Cross, made present: "The Holy Eucharist is the repetition of the Mystical Supper. It is also the self-same Sacrifice of the Cross, repeated sacramentally."

(Grube, Fr. George The Orthodox Church A to Z


This is an Egregious Error...

the Lord Jesus Christ died only once.

see, Jn 19:30, 1 Pet 3:18, Rom 6:10, Heb 9:28 and 10:1-14.

---john9346 on 1/27/16


I see the words as symbolic. Because Jesus often used metaphors and compared himself to vines, light, bread and water. But that does not mean he is really those things.

So to demand that you must believe this or are lost. That only a certain group is so powerful that can make Jesus into the bread and wine. That is against the Bible.

When those who are unworthy eat the bread and wine they are wrong. So why can those who are evil have that power? Now this only refers to some a minority of priests. But it is true.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/16




Please explain what this verse means and why did Jesus say it?

John 6:55 "For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed".---Mark_Eaton on 1/18/16

Sorry Mark, I been working very hard and unable to keep up with these blogs.

But to answer you question is Exactly what Jesus states.

Indeed: Believe it.

The Bread is the Body of Jesus and the Wine is Blood of Jesus.

If I tell you not to eat that fish because it is Radioactive, you would not eat it even though you can't see the Radioactive properties.

You took me at my words.

But Jesus' WORDS you refuse to take HIM at HIS WORDS because you CAN'T see pass the bread and the wine!

You of little faith.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/16


Yet you stop in Romans 9 before you get to:
Rom 9:24
respecter of persons but He is not.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/21/16

Has nothing to do with respect. It is promises and covenants. Made with the First wife...Israel. Jer 3:14. Who he divorced Jer 3:8. Who he promised he would remarry Hos 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
Christ's death made this "remarriage" possible.
"gentile" as a word didn't exist, was never spoken by paul, christ or any prophet. Nations or ethnos would be the more accurate translation in most places.
---Trav on 1/22/16


Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites
---Trav on 1/20/16

Yet you stop in Romans 9 before you get to this verse:

Rom 9:24 "even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"

You want God to be a respecter of persons but He is not. He has offered His salvation to both Jew and Gentile.

Rom 11:17 "And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree"
---Mark_Eaton on 1/21/16


Let's ...show some scripture.
---Trav on 1/19/16

Mark posted: Heb. 9:15 ...for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance"
And who are the "called"?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/19/16

Mark you supplied the scripture that explained it Heb 9:15.
Here is another, based on the writings of the prophets. Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, service of God, and the promises,

It is dangerous to add doctrines with no specific witnesses...then at the same time take away, or disregard pertinent scripture witnesses.
---Trav on 1/20/16


I am not sure where you are going with your understanding of it.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19

Thanks Samuel.

Unfortunately, I was replying to a post from Trav who said that God's covenant between Him and mankind was not the covenant that Jesus blood paid for.

But as Heb. 9:15 tells us, it is the "called" who may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance as the result of the covenant that Jesus is mediator of.

But alas, Trav will disagree with my definition of the called and will likely post OT Scriptures to refute it.

However, the NT declares in Acts 10, God shows no partiality when it comes to salvation.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/20/16


I agree with your scripture post. Mark.

I am not sure where you are going with your understanding of it.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/16


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Let's take your "shadows of truth" and show some scripture.
---Trav on 1/19/16

Okay.

Heb. 9:15 "And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance"

And who are the "called"?

John 17:20-21 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word, that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me"
---Mark_Eaton on 1/19/16


...His blood is the blood of the covenant between God and man.
Anything else is shadows of the truth.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/14/16

But...you didn't and can't post scripture stating this "covenant" with "man", his blood was shed for.
Let's take your "shadows of truth" and show some scripture. Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Covenant is found 272 times in scripture.
---Trav on 1/19/16


\\ The bread was really inhabited by His flesh and the wine was inhabited by His blood? Really? \\

You're beginning to catch on!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/16


That the devil is the author of some teaching that people believe are from GOD.

They follow the Traditions of men and make void the word of GOD.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/18/16


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you won't have to make up words...
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/16

I have no doctrine to protect.

Please answer the question I posed to Cluny.

Please explain what this verse means and why did Jesus say it?

John 6:55 "For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/18/16


And at the Mystical Supper when He said, "This My Body. This is My Blood," they understood what He meant.
---Cluny on 1/15/16

And what did the Apostles understand? The bread was really inhabited by His flesh and the wine was inhabited by His blood? Really? When the real flesh and blood Jesus was standing before them?

You miss important words, words spoken by Jesus not in accident, but in purpose, because you get sidetracked by your doctrine.

You miss "body which is given for you" and "blood which is shed for you".

Jesus was asking the Apostles to eat and celebrate His death with Him. Just as Jesus asks us to do when we celebrate the Eucharist and just as Paul tells us in 1 Cor.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/18/16


Jesus was telling the Apostles that He is what they need on a daily and hourly basis, just like food and drink.---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/16

Don't you fear God?

How dare you put words into Jesus' mouth.

Hourly??????????

Why don't you just TAKE JESUS at His OWN Words and you won't have to make up words to make yourself feel better disobeying His TRUE Words.

Mislead yourself, but don't mislead others.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/17/16


\\John 6:55 "For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed"

Jesus was telling the Apostles that He is what they need on a daily and hourly basis, just like food and drink. \\

And at the Mystical Supper when He said, "This My Body. This is My Blood," they understood what He meant.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/16


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That's EXACTLY what it's about.
---Cluny on 1/14/16

Wrong.

Show me one verse in John 6 where the word "wine" is even used.

You are reading into the passage. You want the John 6 passage to prove the "presence" in the Eucharist when the John 6 passage is not about the Eucharist at all.

Please explain what this verse means and why did Jesus say it?

John 6:55 "For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed"

Jesus was telling the Apostles that He is what they need on a daily and hourly basis, just like food and drink.

To sustain us, we need to eat the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus every minute of every day.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/16


\\ The John 6 passage has NOTHING to do with bread and wine. \\

Yes, it does. That's EXACTLY what it's about.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


specifically over the issue of the bread and wine becoming Christ's Body and Blood.
---Cluny on 1/13/16

Wrong.

The John 6 passage has NOTHING to do with bread and wine. The John 6 passage has everything to do with who Jesus is.

Jesus is the true bread of heaven, His blood is the blood of the covenant between God and man. Anything else is shadows of the truth.

We are to eat of Jesus, not literally, but spiritually each and every day. We are to eat of Jesus words and teachings. His example, His life, because it is life and light to us. We are to partake of Jesus daily, just as we do food and water, to quench the longing in our souls because only He satisfies.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/14/16


\\The only way that you can believe that bread and wine have become flesh and blood is by self delusion.
\\

Let's see.

jerry believes that the ravings of a medium who channeled religious walk-in spirits who came into her during her long period of unconsciousness are the very messages of God--but **I** am self-deluded.

I believe that when Jesus said, "This is My Body, this is My Blood," He meant what He said, and I take Him at his world--but **I** am self-deluded.

Does this make sense?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


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\\Jerry and Mark Eaton, remember the comment: "this is an hard saying, who can hear it?"\\

IT's in John 6--specifically over the issue of the bread and wine becoming Christ's Body and Blood.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/16


Jerry and Mark Eaton, remember the comment: "this is an hard saying, who can hear it?"

Obviously some here are a little hard of hearing.
---trey on 1/12/16


monk: "God can do anything, including turning bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus and still look, taste, smell, etc. exactly the same."

This is exactly what I meant when I told cluny:

"The only way that you can believe that bread and wine have become flesh and blood is by self delusion."

Thanks for praying for me.



---jerry6593 on 1/11/16


Not like you and your claim, "This is My Body" means, "This is NOT my body."
---Cluny on 1/8/16

But what did the Apostles understand?

When Jesus gave the bread and the wine to the Apostles, they knew it was not His "real" flesh and blood because Jesus was not giving them His finger to chew on or a cup of blood to drink.

Jesus was giving them symbols of His body and blood.

And Jesus has explained previously to the Apostles when they questioned Him that eating His flesh and drinking His blood was "a hard saying, who can understand it". Jesus explained that "the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/11/16


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\\cluny, you answered your own question. Transubstantion is the fantasy of the RCC, and the Orthodox believe it.\\

Did you not read that Transubstantiation is the Roman Catholic explanation of HOW the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, and the Orthodox have NEVER COMMITTED to this explanation?

Or having read it, did you not understand it?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/16


Jerry said, "...the Communion Emblems do not taste like flesh and blood. ... BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!"

Jerry, do you know what eggs taste like? Or flour, or milk, or butter, or sugar? All of these have distinct flavors, correct?

However, if you mix them together and bake it, you have a yellow cake, correct?

Just because it doesn't taste like any of the ingredients doesn't mean that the cake does not contain those things.

If the Holy Spirit is God (which He is), then God can do anything, including turning bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus and still look, taste, smell, etc. exactly the same.

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/10/16


When passages and instructions in the Bible fall under another dispensation, this means they describe a time when God was doing a different work, and required a different response from humanity.
Under the law, it was forbidden by God to eat certain meats (Lev 11:8).
Under grace, if anyone forbade eating certain meats they were teaching the doctrine of devils desiring to confuse (1 Tim 4:1-3).
---michael_e on 1/9/16


cluny, you answered your own question. Transubstantion is the fantasy of the RCC, and the Orthodox believe it.

The only way that you can believe that bread and wine have become flesh and blood is by self delusion.


---jerry6593 on 1/9/16


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The scriptures say:
1Tim 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,
1Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Doctrine of devils: speaking lies, hypocrisy, having little to no care for others, having a pharisaical attitude, commanding to abstain from meat, and forbidding to marry. These are some of the basic doctrines of devils.

Let us try to be less judgmental and more caring for others.
---trey on 1/9/16


Cluny I never said the scriptures aren't true or it's not representing the body and blood of Christ no matter how many times you twist what I say I love and honor Christ and do exactly what the Bible says in remembrance of Christ. When you can show in the Bible where the bread and wine is turned into flesh and blood I'll believe you. Just giving that one verse over and over proves nothing. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/9/16


\\Monk Brendan I'm sorry and with respect to you but I must tell you to believe that the Bread and Wine turns to real flesh and blood of Christ has more to do with denominational training than faith. \\

Wrong again, Darlene, as in everything else you say.

It has to do with talking our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ at His word.

Not like you and your claim, "This is My Body" means, "This is NOT my body."

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/16


Monk Brendan I'm sorry and with respect to you but I must tell you to believe that the Bread and Wine turns to real flesh and blood of Christ has more to do with denominational training than faith. Other Denominations have just as much faith when taking the Bread and Wine but their faith is placed in the living Christ and by their obedience to remember Him by taking the Lord's Supper as He ordered them to do. Not to demean what you believe or do,nor doubt that all things are possible with God but it breaks God's order not to eat blood. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/8/16


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\\Jerry, you answered your own question. Transubstantion is the definition of the RCC.
\\

To be precise, Transubstantiation is the word that defines just HOW the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.

Orthodoxy--and most of the other Eastern Churches--prefer to leave the manner of the Change undefined, except ti say it takes place by the Holy Spirit.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/16


monk: All your Aquinas doubletalk notwithstanding, you, cluny and nicole know full well that the Communion Emblems do not taste like flesh and blood. There is a reason for that. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!


---jerry6593 on 1/8/16


Jerry said, "Now you're getting desperate. You know that the Communion emblems don't taste like flesh and blood. Why not admit it like a man and stop all this childish subterfuge."

St. Thomas Aquinas said, "Taste and touch and vision to discern Thee fail. Faith that comes by hearing pierces through the veil."

He also said, "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/7/16


Jerry, you answered your own question. Transubstantion is the definition of the RCC.

Jesus said at the Last Supper to 'Do this in memorize of Me, always.'

What part of 'Do this' do you not understand?
What part of 'always' do you not understand?

Jesus said all this after breaking bread and calling it "MY BODY", and picking up the cup of wine and calling it "MY BLOOD."
Always includes TODAY.

Jesus is CLEAR

Either you want Scripture proof or not?

Some Catholics are called 'Cafeteria Catholic.' Meaning a Catholic who picks and choose which Dogma and Doctrine they wish to follow.

So you are a Cafeteria Protestant. You pick and choose which Passage of the Bible to follow!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/7/16


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When you disagree with a theological or moral position, you simply shout, "That's a lie from the pit of hell!!" You'll always win the argument! :)
---john1944 on 1/7/16


Leon I'm Referring to 1/5/16 Thank you for your very kind and positive support. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/7/16


\\ You know that the Communion emblems don't taste like flesh and blood. Why not admit it like a man and stop all this childish subterfuge.\\

Who said they didn't?

Not I.

The Bible is more than paper and ink. Baptism is more than the water.

And the Eucharist is more than the mere appearances and taste of bread and wine.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/16


cluny: "But Jerry, according to you, this doesn't count because it's not in the Decalogue."

Now you're getting desperate. You know that the Communion emblems don't taste like flesh and blood. Why not admit it like a man and stop all this childish subterfuge.



---jerry6593 on 1/7/16


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Acts 15:29 verse telling us as Christians what we are not to do,you are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols,from blood,from the meat of strangled animals,and from sexual immorality. You do well to avoid these things. How can anyone take the wine and believe it really is Christ's real blood when it is plain that is one thing Christian's are told not to do. Just wondering. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/6/16


The Corinthian letters were much the same, writing to individual believers.
( Ref 2 Cor 11:1315-15)
Men who would usurp even Apostolic authority
Satan can make an appearance and people think this is God .
Since Satan can transform himself into an angel of light it's no great thing if his ministers (preachers, priests, evangelists, etc. can also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.
They use scripture. I have never known a false teacher that didnt use probably 70 or 80% of truth. Thats what makes it deceptive. then comes 20% 35% of mans thoughts and traditions that destroys the Truth of the Word of God.
This is why we have to know what the Book says.
---michael_e on 1/6/16


\\(as Darlene has shown that the Bible elsewhere forbids the drinking of blood). \\

But Jerry, according to you, this doesn't count because it's not in the Decalogue.

At least, that's what you tell me when I quote how the SDA makes the commandments of God of none effect.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/6/16


///...The Bread and the Wine represent the body and blood of Christ and we are to take them in remembrance of Christ 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 and it also says the cup is the New Covenant in my blood. However Matthew 26:28 But I say to you,I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until that time when I drink it new with you in my Father's Kingdom. Here he calls it wine. All I am saying is it's to be done in remembrance of Christ and what He did for us but although I honor Christ and praise Him when taking the bread and wine it is the Spirit of that Lords Supper and not an actual change. God Bless.---Darlene_1 on 1/5/16///

Very good & truthful explanation Darlene.
---Leon on 1/5/16


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Nicole: "Take Jesus at His Words and not your opinion of His Words."

Good advice! Try it yourself:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You are an intelligent woman. Do the Communion emblems of bread and wine taste like flesh and blood or do they not? If not, and they are truly transubstantiated, why not? Has your sense of taste ever failed you in any other area? Think about it.




---jerry6593 on 1/6/16


The Bible actually records that the bread and wine were metaphorical (spiritual) emblems - not the actual stuff at all---jerry6593 on 1/3/16

Really?

Oddly, Jesus doesn't use fancy words as you.

Jesus used words simple, to the point and sweet.

This is my body and this is my blood.

Plus, why is it that when you all refuse the 'metaphorical (spiritual) emblems' usage for us Catholics, but give yourself this usage privilege?

Can you PLEASE follow your own RULES?

Take Jesus at His Words and not your opinion of His Words.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/5/16


Cluny many will never believe in Transubstantiation but I hope I have the wisdom to know that those who do believe it won't stop. The Bread and the Wine represent the body and blood of Christ and we are to take them in remembrance of Christ 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 and it also says the cup is the New Covenant in my blood. However Matthew 26:28 But I say to you,I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until that time when I drink it new with you in my Father's Kingdom. Here he calls it wine. All I am saying is it's to be done in remembrance of Christ and what He did for us but although I honor Christ and praise Him when taking the bread and wine it is the Spirit of that Lords Supper and not an actual change. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/5/16


Jesus also compared himself to light, manna and a vine. That does not mean they are really Jesus.

Jesus was resurrected from the dead. His body is in Heaven. It is not laying on a table.

But Matthew 25 does talk about not believe in the transformation of the bread into the body and wine into the blood.

Instead it speaks of those who do not love and care for others. Matthew 25

2Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom,
Read the rest for yourself.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/4/16


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Jesus said, "This is My Body. This is My blood."

jerry and others say, "No. This is NOT His body and NOT His blood."

Who really believes the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/4/16


The first documented doctrine of devils is that of the immortality of the soul.

God told Adam and Eve:

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Satan replied:

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

God said that our disobedience will cause us to die, but Satan said that we won't - but we shall be as gods. In that one lie, spiritualism was born.

So sad that most Christians believe Satan rather than God.



---jerry6593 on 1/4/16


I'm not sure what the demons' doctrines are, but I'm sure the demons are delighted that you're arguing about it. :)
---john1944 on 1/3/16


Cluny I gave the scripture out of the Bible that forbids eating blood and also eating blood with the flesh. No I don't follow a denomination I follow God's Word and saying Christ's flesh and blood are actually real when the wine and bread which are symbols are taken as real flesh and blood is totally against God's orders. I'm sorry Cluny but you may try to turn that around on me but it doesn't work. I know what God said and I stand on His Word about this only. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/2/16


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cluny: "If you follow the written word of God, Darlene, that means you believe that the bread and wine become the true Body and Blood of Christ."


No, No, NO!

The Bible actually records that the bread and wine were metaphorical (spiritual) emblems - not the actual stuff at all (as Darlene has shown that the Bible elsewhere forbids the drinking of blood). Here is how Jesus answered those who believe as you do:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.



---jerry6593 on 1/3/16


jerry, you simply cannot comprehend the simple facts that the Orthodox and Catholic are two separate churches, and I am Orthodox, not Roman Catholic.

Why is that?

\\I think the greatest threat to following the written Word of God is to be so staunch a follower of a Denomination or preacher you can't accept any doctrine but theirs.\\

If you follow the written word of God, Darlene, that means you believe that the bread and wine become the true Body and Blood of Christ.

If you don't believe this, you don't believe the Bible, but rather your denomination.

Happy New Year!
---Cluny on 1/2/16


Jerry 6593 thank you for the kind words. I think the greatest threat to following the written Word of God is to be so staunch a follower of a Denomination or preacher you can't accept any doctrine but theirs. The Bible tells us to try the spirits to see if they be from God or someone else. We must be careful for straight is the path and narrow the way to heaven. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/2/16


Darlene: Excellent response, as usual.

Cluny's fascination with Orthodoxy seems to override his ability to reason. He claims that the traditions of the Catholic Church were the "orthodox" teachings of Christ and the Apostles - which they most definitely were not. No amount of reasoning will dissuade him.



---jerry6593 on 1/2/16


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Paul is addressing those teachings which are proven to be false, proven false by the very word of God. Shown to be false because Gods word is the Truth, and anything which denies his Truth, should be seen as an obvious lie.

The doctrine of devils, are those teachings which oppose this Truth. This is exactly why, when in doctrinal dispute, one should allow the word of God to speak for itself, and not allow self to speak for the word of God.

The powerful seduction of these doctrines is apparent throughout the church, shown in the fact, that most, can no longer teach the Gospels of Jesus Christ, because the Gospels prove their doctrines oppose the Truth.
---David on 1/1/16


God will protect you, if you ask him.
---john1944 on 1/1/16


Trey it is the traditions, precepts, and teachings taught by men under the influence of the demonic, knowingly or unknowingly, that seduces the believer into believing that which in essence opposes the truth relayed through a Divinely inspired understanding of N.T. scripture.
How doe one know whether what they receive is truth or error?
The truth produces a Godly sorrow that leads to repentance, yet sets one free of condemnation and guilt, the lie is usually restrictive, and binding, promoting guilt and condemnation, inspired by a traditional do this , don't do that mentality. Examples: Truth: Rom 8:33-39 Error: Col 2:18-23>as well as the example contained within the context which prompted the question. 1 Ti 4:1-12
---Josef on 1/1/16


These verses are fairly plain as to what doctrine of demons is... "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
...
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

Those pastors teach that remarriage is forbidden even after divorce really are promoting fornication and uncleanness, especially for the non-Christian. And these are also the kind that teach one must tithe no matter what ones financial status is really are after a widows food stamps. Most are in the legalistic camp.
---RioLion on 12/31/15


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Cluny Pardon me but what you said about the Orthodox Church and anything not taught by it is wrong. Teaching the bread and wine taken in remembrance of Christ is his real flesh and blood is wrong. This teaching is heresy because it is against the Bible itself. Deuteronomy 12:23 -Only be sure not to eat the blood for the blood is the life and you shall not eat the life with the flesh. You see what that teaching of the bread and wine becomes real does it goes completely against God's orders and therefore Christ wouldn't have set up anything which didn't line up with the Bible. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/31/15


Denying the Euchrist is not the way we become followers of the devil.

Living for self, hating others and thinking you can live in sin and still be saved is denying the Father.

No where does the Bible speak of denying the Eucharist as the worst sin.

1John 2:3,4
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Read Matthew 25. The ones who thought they were saved were lost because they did not love others.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 12/31/15


Cluny said, "Anything that is not the teaching of the Orthodox Church, such as denying that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ."

Wow! really so Augustine, Ignatius, and Justin taught a Doctrine of Demons because neither one believed and taught the dogma "The bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ."

Above all, the Lord Jesus Christ because he said know such thing.
---john9346 on 12/31/15


such as denying that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.---Cluny on 12/30/15

Nicely said (except the Orthodox part ,D).

Those who are not receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus are not connected to the Vineyard and dying.

The demons sole purpose is to separate us from Jesus.

Denying the Holy Eucharist is the BEST method.

We must PRAY for our Priests! ALWAYS.

BTW, Monk are you a Priest?


---Nicole_Lacey on 12/31/15


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So Cluny the RCC teaches the doctrine of demons?

Interesting.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/31/15


Anything that is not the teaching of the Orthodox Church, such as denying that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/15


1Ti 4:2-3 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron, Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
-Vv2 & 3 point out some of these demonic teachings, teachings against those of God.
-These are opposed to good doctrines, mentioned in v6, that nourish us because they are in agreement with the Word of God.
1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
-These teachings also nourish others, who are taught of and reminded about them.
---micha9344 on 12/30/15


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