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Conservatives Labeled Terrorists

Many members of the Obama administration and his media have stated that conservatives and pro-lifers are terrorists. Should those individuals be heald criminally responsible for any harm that befalls conservatives as a result of such rhetoric?

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Jed:

Every single one of your posts here is judging me, in that I'm not sufficiently against abortion. Who apointed you my judge? Why do you insist on turning this blog (that is devoted into a different topic) into an inquisition of me?

Note how Jesus reacted to sinners. For the most part, he didn't heap condemnation on them, as you do. His one exception was hypocrites - i.e. people who preached one thing, and did another. You might have a reason to do this here if I was trying to advocate something on here (i.e. claiming to follow Jesus, while simultaneously teaching something that he condemned), but I'm not. I AM NOT AVOCATING ANYTHING. YOU are the one who is trying to make me advocate something. Please stop.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/16


Jed, where has Strong Axe expressed approval of abortion?

I've given three examples--two of them in this very thread--where he condemned it.

Just what do you expect him to say?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


Jed:

You wrote: Cluny, either you don't understand his words, or you're deliberately lying to cover for his apathetic mentality toward abortion.

Evidently, it's YOU who can't seem to understand my words, even after I have repeated them multiple times.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/16


Cluny, either you don't understand his words, or you're deliberately lying to cover for his apathetic mentality toward abortion.

Which is it?
---Jed on 1/13/16


Jed, I have given THREE different postings where StrongAxe said he was against abortion.

Either you don't understand his words, or you're deliberately lying.

Which is it?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/13/16




Right StrongAxe, you don't support it, you're just "neutral" on people killing innocent babies. That makes you so much better. You can't even bring yourself to say that it is wrong. The best you can muster up is "tragic", as if it is some unavoidable fact of life like povery and cancer rather than a great evil like rape and genocide. So you're not in love with killing innocent babies, eh? Just "okay" with it happening? And you certainly don't think it should be stopped. Yep, I guess that relieves you of any guilt. Jesus must be sooo proud of you for your radical Christian stances for him.
---Jed on 1/13/16


Jed:

You wrote: While you have the right to make your own choices, you don't have the right to kill other people.

Exactly. I am not killing other people. I am not advocating that others kill other people. I am not approving of others who kill other people. Why can't you just leave it at that? Why this whole inquisition? It's almost as if you think I am worthy of being burned at the stake unless I recite the specific Religiously Correct Holy Mantra that will satisfy you.

You would do much better to pick on someone who ACTUALLY approves of abortion, or advocates it, neither of which I do.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/16


To take a Neutral Position on abortion is a serious quandary in to the faith of anyone who claims they are a "Christian."
---john9346 on 1/12/16


StrongAxe, this is the problem with you liberals. You go around making moral equivalencies out of things that are not morally equivalent. You're just purposefully being ridiculous. Obviously, people have a right to make their own decisions for themselves, as long as they are not harming other people. That's where going to church and smoking are vastly different from abortion. I don't give a rat's behind how other people live, so long as they are not victimizing other people. You seem to have difficulty differentiating between freedom to make choices for yourself and freedom to harm other people. While you have the right to make your own choices, you don't have the right to kill other people.
---Jed on 1/12/16


Jed:

You live in world where everything is black or white. Most people don't. Do you believe not forcing people to go to church at gunpoint is the same as being against religion?

I have, one single time (in my previous post), said that I NOT necessarily in favor of making it illegal. This is hardly "thinking it SHOULD be legal", nor "several times".

If you don't care if babies are being killed then you are no better than those doing the killing.

Again, black and white thinking. If you don't force people to church at gunpoint, you're no better than people who choose not to go, right?

Smoking is hardly victimless.

And, for the umpteenth time, I AM NOT ADVOCATING!
---StrongAxe on 1/12/16




Cluny, StrongAxe has said several times that he does not think abortion should be illegal. If you claim otherwise,then you are lying. Shame on you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Jed on 1/12/16


\\He is in support of keeping abortion legal. \\

He has never said this, and you're lying if you say he has.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/16


Neutrality on abortion is supporting abortion. If you don't care if babies are being killed then you are no better than those doing the killing. It's one thing to be neutral on victimless crimes like smoking, it's not okay to be neutral when it comes to one person victimizing another. You would undoubtedly be appauled if someone said they were neutral on rape or child molestation, rightly so, but somehow it's okay to be neutral on abortion? If you advocate for it to be allowed, then you are an abortion advocate. Even if it is not murder, there are many other illegal crimes that are not murder. Yet you don't even think abortion is worthy of criminal status at all? Are you saying abortion isn't even as bad as stealing? Shame on you!
---Jed on 1/12/16


Jed:

I have never, in any way, supported abortion. Does the fact that I don't want to picket outside of abortion clinics automatically make me a villain? Perhaps the concept of neutrality is foreign to you? I choose to stay out of this war because I don't personally have a dog in this race, and furthermore, as I stated earlier, I am not convinced the Bible does either. Why can't you just leave it at that? Go pick on someone else who has actually said they SUPPORT abortion.

Just as you couldn't logically argue that you are anti-rape while at the same time fighting to make rape legal.

Please show me where I have ever fought to keep abortion legal.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/16


Strongaxe states, "So this verse would make little sense if it referred to the death of the child. Rather, it makes more sense that "mischief" refers to death of the mother."

First, if Moses meant miscarriage he would have used 2 other words nepel or sakal.

In this verse theHebrew Word Yeled means child Yeladim (plural).

In exo 21:22, Moses use the word Yasa which means in Hebrew to bring forth that which is living/life.


Yasa is never used to mean miscarriage it is always that which lives/life.

So, the bible unequivocally shows that the "Unborn." is indeed a Human Being.

All Praise be to Yahweh!
---john9346 on 1/11/16


Jed,

I'm just answering Cluny's Question I wont take up your blog discussing this.


Cluny see below:


But the Savior Himself said that devotion to the Scriptures can get in the way of a relationship with Him. Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/15



"When received into the Orthodox Church, a convert promises, I will accept and understand Holy Scripture in accordance with the interpretation which was and is held by the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church of the East, our Mother," (Ware, Timothy (1993-04-29).
---john on 1/11/16


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Cluny, I am well aware of StrongAxe's claims to be against abortion. You don't seem to get the picture here. He is in support of keeping abortion legal. If you support legalized abortion, then you are part of the problem and are in fact an abortionists. Just as you couldn't logically argue that you are anti-rape while at the same time fighting to make rape legal.
---Jed on 1/11/16


Here is what StrongAxe said about abortion on the Planned Parenthood Colorado blog.

{Jed:} You actually are pro-abortion.

[StrongAxe:] A lie. I definitely disapprove of abortions. Quit putting words into my mouth.

12/27/15.

Jed, where do you get the idea that StrongAxe supports abortion? I've given you THREE SEPARATE times where he says he does not.


Christ is baptized! In the Jordan.
---Cluny on 1/10/16


Jed:

You also haven't answered why my own opinion on the legality of abortion is so important to you either. As I have pointed out many times, I can't find anything in the Bible that places abortion on the same level as murder of a born human being. It may well be that it is, but I can't find the Bible saying so.

As such, my own personal objections to abortion are merely my opinions, and insufficient to rise to the weight of wishing something to be made illegal. There are many things in this world that I think might be nicer if they weren't legal, but that alone doesn't justify me wishing it were so, or trying to force others to make it so. (As I mentioned earlier, smoking is one of them).
---StrongAxe on 1/11/16


\\Cluny, brendan, and nicole does so as well, but they are "Sola Ekklesia." meaning Church Alone.
---john on 1/10/16
\\

Tell me where I said that.

Cut and paste my exact words.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/16


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john9346:

The relevant part of Exodus 21:22:
NIV: "and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury"
KJV: "her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow"
Hebrew (Strongs): "departs her fruit and not follow mischief"

KJV follows the Hebrew closely. NIV seems to imply "live birth" which is not present in the original. I suppose one could argue either way.

However, without medical advances in only the last century or so, the survival chances of premature births were almost nonexistent, so this verse would make little sense if it referred to the death of the child. Rather, it makes more sense that "mischief" refers to death of the mother.
---StrongAxe on 1/10/16


StrongAxe, thanks AGAIN for NOT answering the question. Why is it such a problem for you to simply answer whether you think abortion should be legal? I certainly have no problem answering the question. I don't think abortion should be legal. If you are truly against abortion, as you claim, why won't you just answer the question in the manner that I have? Is it that you actually do support keeping abortion legal? What seems to be the problem here, StrongAxe?
---Jed on 1/10/16


Jed:

You wrote: why won't you just give a simple answer to the question.

Why is my opinion on this issue important to you? Since I have never mentioned it as an issue in any blogs here, it should not be relevant to any of these discussions, any more than my favorite color, or favorite TV program, or yours for that matter. Why are you so obsessed about my opionion?

My comment about smoking was merely an example to show that "just because one doesn't approve of something doesn't necessarily imply that one should also want it to be illegal". This is a logical template designed to show up a logical fallacy that many fall into, not a statement of my specific opinions on any other particular subject.
---StrongAxe on 1/10/16


John1944 said, "John9346, I don't follow your reasoning. But never mind. It doesn't matter."

Sir, what is it you don't understand?

Strongaxe states, "You can say abortion is murder, and you may be right, but scripture doesn't say so."

Sir, please read Exo 20:13 and 21:22-25.

John1944 please read Verses as well.
---john9346 on 1/10/16


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I have not personally heard the Obama administration state what is posted. Whether or not any label conservatives or pro-lifers as terrorists does not make it so, even if some fit the label. However, caution is prudent, when any accusation is made of any other person or group.

considering Jude 1:9
KJV "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."
YLT "did not dare to bring up an evil-speaking judgment...'"
ESV "he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment..."
ASV "durst not bring against him a railing judgment..."
---chria9396 on 1/10/16


Strongaxe said, "Later, when, as an adult, I returned to Christ, I found there were too many Catholic practices and beliefs I found incompatible with biblical Christianity to return."

In dialogging with you do you understand "Biblical Christianity."??

I ask because when pressed on the Context and consistency of Scripture on a matter you automatically result to Straw- man Arguments.

Cluny, brendan, and nicole does so as well, but they are "Sola Ekklesia." meaning Church Alone.
---john on 1/10/16


\\ As I recall, on this VERY THREAD you stated that you were okay with it, and that it should be legal. \\

Here is what Strong Axe has said about abortion on this very thread:

**I have stated repeatedly that I think abortion is tragic. Please explain how this is "advocating for it".
---StrongAxe on 1/7/16**

++[Jed]you do advocate for allowing mothers to kill their own babies if they so wish

I have said NO repeatedly. If you are still unable to grasp this, it's your problem, not mine.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/16++

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/16


StrongAxe, why won't you just give a simple answer to the question. Do you believe abortion should be legal? I asked you this question on the previous blog and you refused to give a direct answer then too. Why is that? But you did say on this thread "I loathe smoking, but I don't think the government should criminalize it. That does not make me pro-smoking nor a smoker.", signifying that the same rationale applies to being pro-choice. Were you not talking about yourself? You have been given ample opportunities spanning over two blogs to clear up this simple matter. Please just answer the questions. Do you believe abortion is wrong and evil? And do you believe it should be legal?
---Jed on 1/9/16


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B.O., the POTUS, is the biggest terrorist in the world!


---jerry6593 on 1/10/16


Jed:

Don't make accusations based on your own recollections. Make them based on actual evidence (you know, 2-3 witnesses and all that?).

I don't think I can be both for something and against something - YOU are inferring that from evidence not present (otherwise, please cite it). I don't recall saying I am NOR against it being LEGAL here at all. The Bible doesn't talk about it, and U.S. law does. Any opinion I have on the subject is irrelevant, as I am not in any position to change either of those.
---StrongAxe on 1/9/16


StrongAxe, so are you now saying you don't believe abortion should be legal, then? As I recall, on this VERY THREAD you stated that you were okay with it, and that it should be legal. Somehow, you seem to think you can be against abortion but for it being legal at the same time. You can not.
---Jed on 1/9/16


Jed:

I never said I approve abortion, even on that particular blog. Please show EXACTLY what words I used, either by quoting them, or mentioning the specific date of my post so it can be easily looked up. Saying "it's somewhere in the blog" is as vague as "it's somewhere in the Bible". If I said something from which you INFER I approve it, show EXACTLY what I said, so we can continue the debate.

Also, who is wasting blog space? A date reference would have taken 8 characters in a single post, rather than at least 4 posts so far.


john9346:

I read the WaPo article, and replied about it, but can't see the reply posted anywhere.
---StrongAxe on 1/9/16


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\\ I'm not going to do your work for you while you call me a liar just because you showed up late to the party and are too lazy to look up what you missed. \\

IOW, you cannot tell where StrongAxe expressed approval for abortion.
---Cluny on 1/8/16


No. In other words, there's no point in wasting blog space posting quotes of what can easily be accessed on other blogs on this very site. I suggest everyone refer to the Planned Parenthood Colorado blog for those quotes. It's not that hard. Are you really THAT lazy that you can't even do that?
---Jed on 1/9/16


\\ I'm not going to do your work for you while you call me a liar just because you showed up late to the party and are too lazy to look up what you missed. \\

IOW, you cannot tell where StrongAxe expressed approval for abortion.

||What about you?
---Jed on 1/8/16||

When I was young and much more healthy, I prayed daily across the streets from the chop shops.

It got me listed as a defendant in a $39 Million suit.

I'm flattered they think my poor prayers did them that much harm.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/16


john9346:

Just saying it doesn't make it so. Please show, in detail, how and where this is so.

I showed they did NOT consider death of an unborn equal to a man, as accidental miscarriage carried fine, while accidental killing required a life for a life.

You can say abortion is murder, and you may be right, but scripture doesn't say so.


Jed: It was in that blog (Planned Parenthood Colorado) that StrongAxe began to justify his support of legalized abortion.

Please show EXACTLY (by quote or posting date) where I said that.

And stated that it was not evil or wrong

Putting words into my mouth again.

Also, by federal law, NOT A DIME of federal funds can go to abortion.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/16


John9346, I don't follow your reasoning. But never mind. It doesn't matter.
---john1944_j on 1/8/16


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John1944 asked, "Where did the idea originate that abortion is murder? It is not found in the bible."

Well, the word, "Abortion." as spelled out is not, but the act of it is.

Abortion is murder according to the Scriptures as science is showing day by day what is going on in the womb.

You see John1944, the authors of the Scriptures ultimately assumed life not death in all their writings.
---john9346 on 1/8/16


No, Cluny. Look at the conversation yourself. I'm not going to do your work for you while you call me a liar just because you showed up late to the party and are too lazy to look up what you missed. You are the one who claimed StrongAxe did not support legalized abortion. It was in that blog (Planned Parenthood Colorado) that StrongAxe began to justify his support of legalized abortion. And stated that it was not evil or wrong, but merely "tragic", which really means nothing. I think self defense shootings are tragic. Does that mean I am opposed to people defending themselves? "Tragic" is a very cowardly way of avoiding responsibility for supporting legalized abortion. I suggest you start there.
---Jed on 1/8/16


Jed, no need to be snarky. I just asked a question. Can you show me where abortion is mentioned in the Bible?
---john1944 on 1/8/16


Strongaxe,

Did you read the one in the Washington Post?

It has many numbers.

Go to google type the title I gave you be sure to include Washington post along with it.
---john9346 on 1/8/16


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Now, Jed, what are YOU doing to stop abortion? Be specific.
---Cluny on 1/7/16


Well, I vote for elected legislators who have promised to support pro-life efforts and reverse federal funding for abortion clinics. I also volunteer time and donate money to crisis pregnancy centers which offer pro-life solutions. But more importantly, I am outspoken advocate for the right to life to promote social unacceptance and disgust toward the despicable act of abortion, and toward the despicable people who would defend it's legalization. But most importantly, I pray for the criminalization of abortion and for a growing social intolerance to such barbaric practices. Do you have any other ideas?


What about you?
---Jed on 1/8/16


\\Perhaps you missed the parts where he said it was not evil or wrong, and that it should be legal.\\

Please cut and paste where StrongAxe said this, including the date of his posting of it.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/16



If any non-citizen is voting in any elections in the USA, this is illegally and fraudulently done. ---Cluny on 1/7/16


You should be a detective, Captain Obvious.

In any case, StrongAxe has never expressed approval of abortion either on these blogs, or to me personally.

Perhaps you missed the parts where he said it was not evil or wrong, and that it should be legal. Maybe you shouldn't be a detective after all.
---Jed on 1/8/16



Where did the idea originate that abortion is murder? It is not found in the bible or in criminal codes anywhere.

---john1944 on 1/7/16


Actually, it is in the Bible. Perhaps you should try reading it. Furthermore, murder is the intentional and deliberate taking of an innocent human being by another. Abortion fits that description.
---Jed on 1/7/16


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\\But still, that does not stop one from voting in the US, especially if they vote democrat.\\

Yes, it does. If any non-citizen is voting in any elections in the USA, this is illegally and fraudulently done.

\\Regardless, advocating for alrgalized abortion on social media and attempting to shape social acceptance of it is as destructive,\\

What does "alrgalized" mean? Talk about non-words!

In any case, StrongAxe has never expressed approval of abortion either on these blogs, or to me personally.

Now, Jed, what are YOU doing to stop abortion? Be specific.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/16


john9346:

You cited: Police fatally shoot nearly 1,000

Thanks. Unfortunately, it doesn't mention any numbers that I could find.


Jed:

the Bundys do not fit the description of terrorists.

Merriam Webster: "the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal"

An armed takeover of a federal installation counts as violence, and they WERE trying to achieve a political goal.

you do advocate for allowing mothers to kill their own babies if they so wish

I have said NO repeatedly. If you are still unable to grasp this, it's your problem, not mine.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/16


In other news, after more information has come out, it turns out that the Bundys do not fit the description of terrorists.
---Jed on 1/7/16


Where did the idea originate that abortion is murder? It is not found in the bible or in criminal codes anywhere.
---john1944 on 1/7/16


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Jed:

Your comment is a cheap stab to imply that all Democracts are lawbreakers. ad hominem attacks are frequently used when one does not have an actual valid point to make.

Non-citizens have no right under the Constitution to vote. When I received my green card, I had to swear before a judge to uphold the Constitution. All naturalized citizens must do the same. It's a pity natural-born citizens have no such requirement. It is also a requirement for all lawmakers (although unfortunately, many don't even know the Constitution, given the kinds of laws they attempt to push through).

I have stated repeatedly that I think abortion is tragic. Please explain how this is "advocating for it".
---StrongAxe on 1/7/16


Jed, Strongaxe has said several times he is NOT a US citizen.
---Cluny on 1/7/16


I did not know that. But still, that does not stop one from voting in the US, especially if they vote democrat.

Regardless, advocating for alrgalized abortion on social media and attempting to shape social acceptance of it is as destructive, if not more so, than actually casting a vote for it. It certainly doesn't make him any less guilty.
---Jed on 1/7/16


I don't think Jed is a US citizen either.
---john1944 on 1/7/16


\\Please don't think that YOU will not give an account for doing nothing while murder was being committed, when you could have done something, at least with a vote. \\

Jed, Strongaxe has said several times he is NOT a US citizen.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/16


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So in other words, StrongAxe, While you don't actually kill the babies yourself, you do advocate for allowing mothers to kill their own babies if they so wish, and you do everything you can to keep this practice happening and socially acceptable. And you don't support legalized abortion how? And you think you are exempt from guilt how?

I retract my previous apology. As I initially suspected, you are indeed an abortion supporter. You are okay with the legalized mass killings of unborn babies (if you even see them as babies). So you are no different than any abortionist. Shame on you.
---Jed on 1/7/16


Most people who own guns are Pro-killing of animals not people. The majority of those eat the animals they kill. The only way hunters of animals will kill people is if that person threatens their life or the lives of others. Owning a gun doesn't make a person bad. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/7/16


Yes Strongaxe,

The Washington Post Article is entitled:

A year of reckoning:
Police fatally shoot nearly 1,000

Very informative and I appreciate the unbiasness...
---john9346 on 1/7/16


StrongAxe, you can't stand by idly and be okay with other people committing murder and then claim you are against it. It doesn't work that way. You don't get a free pass because you say you think it is "tragic". It's a little different then someone poisoning THEIR OWN body with cigarettes. Please don't think that YOU will not give an account for doing nothing while murder was being committed, when you could have done something, at least with a vote. Perhaps you need an introductory course to logic if you think allowing someone to make decision with their own body (smoking) is akin to making a decision that kills another person. By your logic, we should allow murder and drunk driving also, since you're all for choice.
---Jed on 1/7/16


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Jed:

Whether pro-choice people are OK with OTHERS having abortions is irrevant. YOU said pro-choice people were abortionists, which may be true for a few of them, but NOT most of them.

I allow Muslims and Hindus to worship as they please, per to the First Amendment. That does not make me a Muslim or Hindu.

... you would place smoking on the same level as killing innocent babies.

I am not. I am using the SAME LOGIC to show that if the logic is flawed in one argument, it is flawed in the other, whether we are discussing babies, cigarettes, or bubblegum. You really need to take a course in introductory logic. That should be mandatory for any kind of online discourse. So many people don't seem to understand it.
---StrongAxe on 1/6/16


By definition, pro-choicers are abortionists.

Wrong. I loathe smoking, but I don't think the government should criminalize it. That does not make me pro-smoking nor a smoker.
---StrongAxe on 1/5/16


But that does make you okay with people doing it. Likewise, if you're not against legalized abortion, then you are okay with it happening.

It's both sad and sickening that you would place smoking on the same level as killing innocent babies. Smoking is a choice that mostly harms the person making the choice. Far different than killing another innocent human being without their consent. If abortion killed the person making the choice rather than the innocent child, I wouldn't be so strongly against it, either.
---Jed on 1/6/16


john9346:

You said: I'd invite you sir to read the study and then we can engage in dialog.

If you'd tell me where to look for it, I'd be happy to look at it.
---StrongAxe on 1/6/16


Strongaxe said, "I don't think you understand what "per capita" means."

I'd invite you sir to read the study and then we can engage in dialog.
---john9346 on 1/5/16


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The Bundys fit the definition of terrorists, but NOT militia.

I do not have personal knowledge of the Bundys situation and will not rely on biased news reports, so I will reserve judgement on that. But if what you say about them is in fact true, then you found a whopping one example out of the hundreds of millions of conservatives in this country. I'm certainly impressed with your understanding of the word "most".

By your own argument, anyone pro-gun is pro-killing.

That statement is correct. Of course killing is different than murder. I am pro-killing of bad people who are trying to rape and kill you, and people who are guilty of crimes worthy of death.
---Jed on 1/5/16


calling pro-choicers abortionists is hardly the same as as calling conservatives terrorists.

When the shoe fits. The Bundys fit the definition of terrorists, but NOT militia.

By definition, pro-choicers are abortionists.

Wrong. I loathe smoking, but I don't think the government should criminalize it. That does not make me pro-smoking nor a smoker.

Most conservatives have never killed anyone or blown anyone up.

By your own argument, anyone pro-gun (as guns can ONLY be used for violence) is pro-violence and pro-killing. You can't have it both ways.



john9346:

No, this study is national.

I don't think you understand what "per capita" means.
---StrongAxe on 1/5/16


So StrongAxe, in other words, it's okay to call pro-choicers "murderers", so long as we don't say that murder is worthy of death?

FWIW, calling pro-choicers abortionists is hardly the same as as calling conservatives terrorists. By definition, pro-choicers either have committed abortion or support the legalization of it. By definition, pro-choicers are abortionists. Most conservatives have never killed anyone or blown anyone up.
---Jed on 1/5/16


Strongaxe asked, "Is that raw numbers, per capita figures?"

No, this study is national.

As a Black American, I to am concern with Black Panthers carrying guns ever read statistics on Black-on-black Crime?

Black-on-black Crime is in no comparison to the delusion of the narrative of Officers Shooting Unarmed Black Men.
---john9346 on 1/5/16


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StrongAxe, I think we've come to the same conclusion.
---john1944 on 1/4/16


Jed:

My first quote specifically mentions accusing someone of a crime worthy of death.

My second quote speifically says that merely accusing someone of a crime IS NOT THE SAME as saying that person should be killed.

Calling someone an abortionist is not inciting. Saying abortionists are worthy of death is.
Calling someone a terrorist is not inciting. Saying terrorists are worthy of death is.
Do you see the difference?

Yes, the door swings both ways. You just choose not to examine both sides of the hinges.
---StrongAxe on 1/4/16



I have said consistently, if you knowingly incite someone into doing a crime, you are part of that crime... If you say "Abortion is a crime worthy of death", it is also tantamount to saying "they should be killed". ---StrongAxe on 12/27/15



Yes, the door swings both ways, but calling someone a terrorist is not the same as saying "He's a terrorist, so he should be killed".
---StrongAxe on 1/4/16


So I guess the door DOESN'T swing both ways. Please do explain this mysterious paradox, StrongAxe?

"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." -James 1:8
---Jed on 1/4/16


john9346:

You said: Actually, according to a Washington Post Study there are more whites that are killed by police than blacks.

Is that raw numbers, per capita figures?

I also read the other day that conservatives are freaking out about gun-carrying Black Panthers. Apparently it's patriotic for whites to be armed to the teeth on the street, but not blacks.


john1944:

Will God love me more if I support gun rights?

There is only one place where Jesus recommended weapon use (e.g. he urged his disciples to buy a sword), but when Peter used it, Jesus chastizsd him for it. Draw your own conclusions.
---StrongAxe on 1/4/16


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StrongAxe wrote: "3000 people were dying on 9/11, and Bush went back to reading a children's book."

Bush did what a good leader does: not to panic in cases of such events. What can he do "personally?" He knows that his staff will act in a calm manner to deal with the event. That's why he choose certain people to deal with emergencies while he is away.
---Steveng on 1/4/16


Will God love me more if I support gun rights?
---john1944 on 1/4/16


StrongAxe, you've got to be kidding. There are far more murders of whites by blacks as a result of race baiting than there has ever been police shootings. You just don't hear about black on white crime in the news and conservatives don't go causing riots over crimes against conservatives. Crimes against conservatives far outweighs crimes against liberals by many times.
---Jed on 1/4/16


Strongaxe states, "(Don't forget to include in those figures police shooting unarmed suspects, as the pro-gun lobby is conservative, and most such victims are blacks, who are more likely to be Democrats."


Actually, according to a Washington Post Study there are more whites that are killed by police than blacks.
---john9346 on 1/4/16


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Jed:

Yes, the door swings both ways, but calling someone a terrorist is not the same as saying "He's a terrorist, so he should be killed".

Look at the numbers. How many conservatives are killed due to overreactions by liberals, and how many liberals are killed rue to overreactions by conservatives? (Don't forget to include in those figures police shooting unarmed suspects, as the pro-gun lobby is conservative, and most such victims are blacks, who are more likely to be Democrats. There were more such shootings in THE LAST WEEK in the U.S. than in the U.K. in the last FIVE YEARS.)
---StrongAxe on 1/4/16


StrongAxe, you recently stated that if a conservative accuses a liberal of a crime that is worthy of death (such as calling abortionists murderers) then that is "tantamount" to inciting violence and they should be held criminally responsible if vigilantes become inspired by their "rhetoric". Do you think that door swings both ways? Should those who call conservatives "domestic terrorists" be held criminally liable for any harm that befalls conservatives as a result of their liberal hate speech?
---Jed on 1/3/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Christopher Stevens (U.S. Ambassador who was dying in Libya, and Obama response was to go to bed as he was brutally was killed.) found out himself the hard way.

One person was dying in Libya, and Obama went back to bed.

3000 people were dying on 9/11, and Bush went back to reading a children's book.

If you think a handful of mud needs to be thrown one way, let's be fair about it and throw a ton of it in the other direction.
---StrongAxe on 1/3/16


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