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John my problem is with this Calvinistic idea of all future sins being forgiven before we do them. It leads to the once saved always saved no matter how much I live in sin and love to sin.

If a person has Jesus as their Lord and Savior they do not want to live in sin. We also want to confess our sins to our High Priest Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus,
---Samuelbb7 on 2/11/16


Sir, this is shocking that you are asking such a question--john9346 on 2/11/16

Calm yourself John
The second question was given as a hint, to guide you to give the correct answer to the first.

I was looking for more of a biblical example, not the dictionary definition you gave. But if that's all you can give, at least you gave me an answer.

Here's another question for you to ponder:
Was the New Testament really written in Latin?
If it was, why does (Acts 2:7) say the disciples spoke Galilean?

Also note, there were Latin speaking people in attendance, on the Day of Pentecost, who were amazed to understood the disciples message. If the Disciples spoke Latin, why were they amazed?
---David on 2/12/16


From Biblical Illustrator:

Cursed be the man that trusteth in man.
The difference between trusting in the creature and the Creator
I. The folly and evil of trusting in man. To trust in man, in the sense of our text, is to expect that from creatures which can only come from the Creator:
1. Idolatrous in its principle.
2. Grovelling in its aim. . . . unworthy of an immortal spirit.
3. Unreasonable in its foundation. It supposes that man can do what God cannot.
4. Destructive in its issue. . . . but he shall inhabit the parched places, etc.
He shall prosper in nothing.
(1) The frustration of his projects and hopes.
(2) The melancholy state of his soul.
(3) The unhappy end of his career.
---aservant on 2/11/16


David said, "Seems the reason for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is also different, different for those who believe they are Saved." "Those who believe they are Saved, must also believe the death of Jesus Christ provided them with not only a sacrifice, but also a confession for all their sins...past, present and future. For both the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and a confession of sin, are required for the forgiveness of sin (1 John 1:9)."

Sir, there are 2 types of forgiveness, Judicial and Parental.

Parental is 1 Jn 1:9 Heb 12:5-11, and Ps. 51:10-12.

Judicial Prov 28:13, Eph 1:7, and Rev 20:11-15.
---john on 2/11/16


...And why don't we see "Repentance" under the Old Covenant?
---David on 2/10/16

It is in the old testament. E-sword the words repent, repented, repentance.
Both of you are not seeing or acknowledging the adulterous need, in the marriage of GOD to Israel. Jer 3:14, or the divorce (Jer 3:8) to the North House. Or the remarriage made possible by Christ's death. Most do not acknowledge because most seek to insert themselves in Israels covenant and promise. If you are Israel, you still are not seeing/acknowledging scripture pertaining.
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 2/11/16




"Why don't we see "Repentance" under the Old Covenant?"

Sir,this is shocking that you are asking such a question because Christ had not come to present the Ultimate Perfect Sacrifice for sin.


"What's the difference between the words "Repent" and "Repentance"?

One introduces the act repentance, the other describes the act repent.



"Of course they are separate words, but what does that prove? I have never said they were the same words."

Sir, you said right after that, "Confession of sin, is a part of the process of repentance,"

Yet Matthew and John shows confession and repentance are results of repentance not part of.
---john9346 on 2/11/16


John
Another important aspect about the Law of Moses, was there was no remission of sin.
There was forgiveness (Leviticus: chapters 4-6), but no remission of sin.

Remission is what Jesus was referred to as cleaning the inside of the cup, when he scolded the Pharisees in (Matthew 23:25-26).

The reason Remission of sin was not possible under the Law of Moses (Hebrews 10:4), was because only the Blood of Christ can cleanse us on the inside.

This is why Jesus said, "Drink my Blood", because his Blood cleanses the inside, where it purifies our hearts. The impurity it removes, is the evil which resides in our hearts (Luke 6:45).

Remission is not repentance, it merely leads to repentance.

---David on 2/11/16


In Matt 3:1-6 does Matthew use Metanoeo (repentance) separate from confession or does he use the same words? ---john9346 on 2/9/16

John
Of course they are separate words, but what does that prove? I have never said they were the same words.

Confession of sin, is a part of the process of repentance, much like "Repent and Baptized" are two separate words. But according to the Bible, we must do both to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Now questions for you:
What's the difference between the words "Repent" and "Repentance"? And why don't we see "Repentance" under the Old Covenant?
---David on 2/10/16


David ask, "
John
Based on scripture? If you were basing it on scripture, why do you challenge me with a dictionary definition, instead of translated scripture?"

Sir, I am using the word the authors themselves used when they wrote.


Now In Matt 3:1-6 does Matthew use Metanoeo (repentance) separate from confession or does he use the same words?

Does John in 1 John do the same thing at Matthew does in Matt 3:1-6?

---john9346 on 2/9/16


Actually, I am wishing for a Substantive Dialog founded and based on the Scriptures instead of an Emotional Argument you continue to put forth.---john9346 on 2/7/16

John
Based on scripture? If you were basing it on scripture, why do you challenge me with a dictionary definition, instead of translated scripture?

How can we have "Substantive Dialog founded and based on the Scriptures", when your dialog comes from a modern dictionary? If you want "Substantive Dialog founded and based on the Scriptures", let's use translated scripture.

I am curious to know, since you believe you are better at translating the bible, than those who did, what is your background which causes you to believe this?
---David on 2/9/16




David said, "
John
Still arguing "Words", after you discovered what I said was true?"

Actually, I am wishing for a Substantive Dialog founded and based on the Scriptures instead of an Emotional Argument you continue to put forth.


Now In Matt 3:1-6 does Matthew use Metanoeo (repentance) separate from confession or does he use the same words?

Does John in 1 John do the same thing at Matthew does in Matt 3:1-6?
---john9346 on 2/7/16


I'd invite you sir to look up the word Metanoeo this will make clear The Author's Usages in Scripture---john9346 on 2/5/16

John
Still arguing "Words", after you discovered what I said was true?

You knelt before God, and confessed your sin, and didn't God do exactly what he promised he would do in (1 John 1:9)?

Where did the guilt come from after you prayed, the guilt you felt over your sins the last few days, guilt that wasn't there before the prayer?

Remember Paul's warning in 2 Timothy 2:14?
Keep reminding Gods people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words, it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.

---David on 2/6/16


David you said:

"The verse simply tells us the action taken by those who acted on the command, "Repent and be baptized"."

In Matt 3:1-6, there is no command to repent and be baptized, it is only "Repent."

"Because confession of sin brings forgiveness,"

This is an aberrant Teaching to the men who by Divine Providence wrote the Scriptures.

They never taught that confession is essential for repentance, they taught repentance alone and then as a result confession and baptism example Matt 3:6.

I'd invite you sir to look up the word Metanoeo this will make clear The Author's Usages in Scripture.
---john9346 on 2/5/16


We should confess before we go to sleep at night.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
A valuable lesson I wish everyone would learn to practice. Not because we say they should, but because of the transforming power of the blood of Christ.

His blood, which will cause all who call themselves Christian, to walk daily, in the light of God. Not because we say, but because of the experience of Gods promise (1 John 1:9), when they do.

This is why Jesus called wise, those who "Do what he tells them to do". Because only when you do, will you learn the Truth in the promises of God. Not imagined, but realized.
---David on 2/5/16


Sin is sin and we should never take it lightly (Eph 5:6). Grace doesn't take it lightly in that it requires the perfect blood of the Son of God to pay the penalty for our sins. Just one sin condemns us to death. Christ saves us from that judgment with the work he finished by the cross.
We do not need to ask God to forgive us, He already has. The work is complete. He is offering it to you already. Our conversation to God should be belief and gratitude that he has forgiven us through Christs blood.
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
Praying for God to do something he has already done shows a lack of faith in his finished work
---michael_e on 2/4/16


We should confess before we go to sleep at night. At the latest. We need to be in constant contact with Jesus and our loving heavenly Father.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/4/16


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If the work were truly finished, why continually confess to get forgiveness?--michael_e on 2/3/16

Michael
Have you ever gotten alone somewhere, on your knees, and confessed your sins before God?


---David on 2/4/16


The problem that I see is that the term "finished work at the cross".

Is just saying once saved always saved or Perseverance of the saved.

So that a person cannot be lost. There are two views of this. One that people can hate and live and sin and still be saved. The other called Lordship Salvation says that people who are saved will live for Jesus.

Those who truly live for Jesus will confess whether once saved always or not.

Those who teach you can live in sin and without confession are not following what the Bible says.

Galations 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:...
---Samuelbb7 on 2/4/16


Confessions appeal to a covenant promise, not to the finished work of the cross. If the work were truly finished, why continually confess to get forgiveness?
To those who put their faith in the complete work of Christ, we have already been forgiven for Christs sake through his blood (Eph 4:32, Rom 3:24-25).
The salvation message is clear from God today. Spoken prayers, water baptisms, public confessions will not earn salvation. Instead salvation rests completely on the work of Christ on the cross on your behalf as they have been confessed by divine inspiration.
Stop trusting your display of confession and start trusting in the words of Gods grace towards you in Christ, the hope of glory (Rom 4:24-25, 1 Cor 15:1-4).
---michael_e on 2/3/16


True John. Agreed.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/1/16


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From your response, do you not agree with Matthew in what he said in 3:6?---john9346

John
What response would cause you to believe this?
The verse simply tells us the action taken by those who acted on the command, "Repent and be baptized".

It does not say they were baptized "Repenting", does it?

Why?
Because confession of sin is a major part of repenting, and without it, repentance is impossible.

Why?
Because confession of sin brings forgiveness, and this forgiveness, takes us out of the darkness and brings us into the light of God. This light is needed so we can see the sin in our lives.

Try it John, and you will see it for yourself.
---David on 2/2/16


David ask, "Since you do not believe a person has to confess sin with their mouth, to be forgiven,"

This I have never said, what I have Biblically Consistently said is confession absent of repentance is meaningless.

Now can a person confess with there mind absolutely yes, but it is not confession that bring about change or newness of life, it is only "Repentance."

From your response, do you not agree with Matthew in what he said in 3:6?
---john9346 on 2/1/16


John
On 1/26 you said, The word confess means to agree with, be of the same mind.

Since you do not believe a person has to confess sin with their mouth, to be forgiven, can you give us a biblical example of people confessing sin with their mind?
---David on 2/1/16


David,

In Matt 3:1-6, Matthew tells us they were baptized confessing their sins.

Here they repented how do we know because they confess their sins and what else did they do they were baptized.

You see, repentance came first resulting in them confessing/acknowledging their sins and what was the other result they were baptized.

You see, confession is a result of repentance not absent or replaces it.

No where in Scripture do you have the authors teaching confession absent of repent, repentance is always first.

Isa 59 is a general call to repentance God calling to Israel.
---john9346 on 1/31/16


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You are welcome Samuel.

Good Points as well.
---john on 1/31/16


John and Samuel
Have you ever noticed the action taken by the Jews in (Matthew 3:6), when John the Baptist told them to "Repent", in (Matthew 3:1)?

John Told them to "Repent", and the very first thing they did, was to confess their sins. The Jews had been repenting for years, and I believe they have a better idea of what it means to repent than we do.

Though they did not have an acceptable sacrifice, to go along with their confessions, they did confess sin, because it was the one and only thing available to them, to receive Gods forgiveness.

Do you believe they confessed with their mouths or their minds?
---David on 1/30/16


Samuel & John
Lets say your at war and you must run through a mine field, a mine field clearly marked earlier in the day, by another platoon.
When is the best time to run through this mine field, in the light of day, or in the dark of night?

Turning from sin, without confessing sin, is much like a man choosing to run through a minefield in the dark of night.

If sin separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2), and God is light, wouldn't this separation from God leave us in the dark?
(1 John 1:9) clearly tells us confession can remove sin, that sin which separates us from his light.

Walking in the light of God, allows man to see the sin in their life, much like one crossing a clearly marked minefield on a sunny day.
---David on 1/30/16


Good point John 9346

Luke 13:5
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Rev 2:5
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/16


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David,

In context, John the author of first John is dealing with true Biblical Repentance "Metanoeo." which is the foundation of confession.

If an individual doesn't repent of their sins, they can confess until their dying days and the result will be hell for them.

The authors of the Scriptures never taught confession to repentance, but repentance/confession.
---john9346 on 1/29/16


Confession absent of repentance is useless--john9346

John
I would agree if you had said, "Repentance is worthless, without confession of sin".
How does a man separated from the light of God, turn from sin?

As per Gods promise in (1 John 1:9), confession of sin brings forgiveness and the washing away of sin, a cleansing necessary to restore mans relationship with God (Isaiah 59:2).

It is for this very reason, Jesus Christ is called our Redeemer. For only the Blood of Christ, through it's cleansing Power, can restore mans relationship with God (Hebrews 10:4). To restore man, for the very reason he was created, created to serve God (Romans 1:21-32).
---David on 1/29/16


David said, "But you will have to test me on this, to see the Truth for yourself."

Sir, I believe you are confusing confession of sin and repentance from sin.

We are called daily to repent/turn from sin (no repeat) and not to just nearly confess.

Confession absent of repentance is useless resulting in a work base salvation.

In 1 John, John clearly explains the result of repentance and confession.
---john9346 on 1/28/16


John
When sins are confessed, it is an experience much like a man who went from wearing dirty overalls, to a man who wears a clean white suite.

Does a man who wears dirty, unwashed overalls, care if his overalls get any dirtier?
No, he probably won't even notice any new dirt.

But a man in a clean white suit, will notice even the slightest amount of dirt on him, and will feverishly try to remove any dirt.

When someone with unconfessed sin, confesses sin before God, they will see sin much like the man who wears a white suit sees dirt, only they will try feverishly to avoid sin, and wash away any they have acquired. (1John 1:9)

But you will have to test me on this, to see the Truth for yourself.
---David on 1/28/16


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What is your Denominational Affiliation?---john9346

John
I'm a follower of Christ, and have been taught the simplicity of the Bible through Gods Holy Spirit.

I say simple, because it's not taught with just his word, but with the keeping of his word, when we do what he tells us to do.
For example, when I was a child in church, I was never taught the importance of confession of sin, and Gods promise of forgiveness, when we confess our sin before him as Christ taught.

I experienced his promise for the first time, at 24, when my confession brought me into the Light of God, as promised in (1 John 1). Not something imagined, but something I personally experienced.
---David on 1/28/16


David,

"Repent" means to turn from all the deceitful promises of sin. "Faith" means being satisfied with all that God promises to be for us in Jesus. "He who believes in me," Jesus says, "shall never thirst" (John 6:35). We do not earn our salvation. We cannot merit it (Romans 4:4-5). It is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). It is a free gift (Romans 3:24). We will have it if we cherish it above all things (Matthew 13:44). When we do that, God's aim in creation is accomplished: He is glorified in us and we are satisfied in him - forever.
---john9346 on 1/27/16



david,

First, Matt 6:9-13 in context is not a prayer, but a model/guideline/instructional/map.


When Jesus taught forgiveness of sin in this chapter, he was conveying continuous to his disciples, "I AM YOUR SIN BEARER." "LOOK TO ME I AM ABLE TO SAVE YOU."

If you don't mind me asking, what is your Denominational Affiliation?
---john9346 on 1/27/16


Yes we are to ask forgiveness for our sins. We must first confess or admit we are sinners.

When we have confessed we can then ask for forgiveness.

But there is no exact formula we must use. Remember when Peter's whole prayer was Jesus save me.

We should pray in the pattern of the prayer that Jesus taught his disciple.

Then we will only pray to GOD and always ask for forgiveness.

As for Jeremiah trust GOD more then men.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/16


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The word confess means to agree with be of the same mind.---john9346

John
How do you explain (Matthew 6:9-13), The Lords Prayer?
Doesn't Jesus teach in that prayer, us we must ask God to forgive us of sin?
---David on 1/27/16


David,

1. "Seems the reason for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is also different, different for those who believe they are Saved."

No sir, it is for only those who are saved, you are either saved or not saved.

2. "Those who believe they are Saved, must also believe the death of Jesus Christ provided them with not only a sacrifice, but also a confession for all their sins..."

It is all in the same when we repent and believe we are confessing our sins.

The word confess means to agree with be of the same mind.



David, the Lord Jesus Christ is mighty to save you from your sins sir. He is greater than your sin...
---john9346 on 1/26/16


Agreed. Personality cults are a problem.
Paul praised the Bereans, who didn't take anything for granted, but "searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were so".
---StrongAxe on 1/17/16

What is amazing is one will find a "Berean" rarely. Even with paul's praise of such. But confused paul-ean's, abound.
Paul has his own "personality cult", posting daily.

Eze_34:6 ...my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
Eze_34:8 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ...because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock,
Selah.
---Trav on 1/26/16


John
Seems the reason for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is also different, different for those who believe they are Saved.

Those who believe they are Saved, must also believe the death of Jesus Christ provided them with not only a sacrifice, but also a confession for all their sins...past, present and future. For both the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and a confession of sin, are required for the forgiveness of sin (1 John 1:9).

John
Have you confessed your sin before God, since the day you were saved?
If so, why confess that which you believe has been forgiven?
---David on 1/26/16


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David,

There is a difference my friend between God disciplining because of love for his children and his wrath/punishment against sinners/wicked people.

When God disciplines his children it is to make them more like him as oppose to the wicked more like their father satan.
---john9346 on 1/25/16


No sir, the whole purpose for Jesus rescuing "The Elect." is to save us from the penalty of sin (past, present, and future).---john9346 on 1/24/16

John
If Jesus paid the penalty for all your sins,... past, present and future, why does it say in (Hebrews 12:3-11), God chastens those he loves?

It appears in this passage, God is chastening those he loves,... because of sin?
How can God punish, those who are saved, for sin, if the penalty has already been paid?
---David on 1/25/16


David said, "Now as you know, many Protestants believe they are saved. Doesn't this imply there is no penalty for their sin, ...past, ....present ....or future?"

"Now if there is no penalty for their sins, doesn't it appear they have license to sin?"

No sir, the whole purpose for Jesus rescuing "The Elect." is to save us from the penalty of sin (past, present, and future).

To teach or believe a license to sin is to simply misunderstand "God's Grace."
---john9346 on 1/24/16


Trav
You got into the conversation a bit late. Read what I wrote on 1/20/16.
---David on 1/22/16

We agree more than not.
I'd read the entire line of conversations. I too think the protestants and even the non protestants put paul ahead of all prophets and Christ. I also understand it as this was the way I was raised. It is twice as hard to unlearn as to learn.
Denying or replacing what Christ and the prophets say or not utilizing them is a circular road for the confused church groups we see today. But, then if they aren't asking Christ to begin with for instruction that is where they will stay.
Mat_23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.
---Trav on 1/22/16


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Trav
You got into the conversation a bit late. Read what I wrote on 1/20/16.
---David on 1/22/16


Correction- Paul's teachings stand alone, and require no other witness from any other teacher in the Bible.
---David on 1/21/16

Even paul, the most arrogant self elected Apostle verified his statements with the Prophets. The prophets verify Christ.
You'd do better to study Christ statements and believe them rather than choose Paul above and ahead of Christ.
If a misunderstood paul is your only witness, there is a void of credibility.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
(Above, me = Christ...not Paul)
---Trav on 1/21/16


Cluny
If you drive a car without a license, and get stopped, there will be a penalty to pay.
If you drive a car and get stopped, and you have a license to drive a car, there is no penalty for driving the car, because of your license.

Now as you know, many Protestants believe they are saved. Doesn't this imply there is no penalty for their sin, ...past, ....present ....or future?

Now if there is no penalty for their sins, doesn't it appear they have license to sin?
---David on 1/21/16


Cluny:

You wrote:
\\For the Protestant teacher, Paul's teachings stand alone, and require no other witness from any other writer in the Bible, including Christ.
\\

What in the Bible did Christ write, David?


He didn't say it was in the Bible. He said it was what Protestants teach. (I would personally amend that to say "some" Protestant teachers, because I know that they don't all teach that.)
---StrongAxe on 1/21/16


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\\Paul's teaching, "We are not under Law, but under Grace", was turned into a license to sin (Jude 4) many years ago, and the Protestant church is still handing out these licenses.
\\

When, where, and by whom, David?

Give dates, places, and names.

Mere accusation is not proof.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/16


While some may teach license to sin, I have never encountered one that did.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
They don't exactly use that vernacular, but it is implied in their salvation message.

Simple put, they teach Salvation comes first, and then we have a relationship with God. Where as the teachers in the Bible taught, Salvation comes through... a relationship with God.

What in the Bible did Christ write, David?---Cluny

Cluny
Slip of the finger. Correction- Paul's teachings stand alone, and require no other witness from any other teacher in the Bible, including Christ.
---David on 1/21/16


\\For the Protestant teacher, Paul's teachings stand alone, and require no other witness from any other writer in the Bible, including Christ.
\\

What in the Bible did Christ write, David?

(What He wrote in the sand in John 8 is not recorded.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16


David:

Unlike the Catholic church, the Protestant churches (plural) are not monolithic. While they share some common doctrines (in particularly, the idea that Rome was in apostasy and needed to be broken away from), they differ from each other in many ways. While some may teach license to sin, I have never encountered one that did. It's true that there are some obviously apostate teachers, and it's also true that some doctrines, when taken alone, can lead to apostasy, but it's an error to paint all protestants with that wide brush.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16


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The problem here is that many protestants look at Paul's writings about faith vs. works, while ignoring James's teachings on faith plus works.--StrongAxe

StrongAxe
I agree.
For the Protestant teacher, Paul's teachings stand alone, and require no other witness from any other writer in the Bible, including Christ.

Paul's teaching, "We are not under Law, but under Grace", was turned into a license to sin (Jude 4) many years ago, and the Protestant church is still handing out these licenses.

I just want you to know, I have a deep love for all believers. I do not come here to bash them, I come in the hope that I can wake a few of them up, before it's too late.

---David on 1/20/16


Paul also taught that faith leads to works. Just many do not recognize that.

Sorry about your friend. But the truth is many believe once saved always saved. Which means they can live in sin and still be saved.

But there are some today who teach that we obey GOD. Which shows we are truly saved. Not just pretending.

2John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/16


David:

The problem here is that many protestants look at Paul's writings about faith vs. works, while ignoring James's teachings on faith plus works. Paul also wrote "should we sin so grace may abound? of course not!".

I have a friend who was a Christian publisher who took a month or two off to get married in another state. He left his trusted Christian friends in charge of the business. When he returned, he found that they had run off with $70K of company money, started their own business, and stolen all his clients. Their thinking was they had done no wrong, because God will forgive anything. Wrong, wrong, wrong!
---StrongAxe on 1/19/16


You have to read the word before you can obey them. So GOD will not reveal more to you until you follow.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/18/16


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Agreed. "Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only." ---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Many times in our lives the Lord blesses us by filling us with an unexplainable Joy, or an answer to a prayer, and we don't know why.

My deepest desire, is for people to discover the reason for these blessing, is because they are "Doers of the word"

I was raised a Protestant, and the very foundation of a Protestants life, is founded on the way they teach, "Not by works but by Grace". Because of this lone teaching, I stopped believing in God.

Twenty years later I became a "Doer of his word", and because of this, I know Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
---David on 1/19/16


David:

You wrote: That does sound goofy. Because of the word limits I tend to skip words.

Most of my posts are too long to fit, and I usually end up having to spend more time editing them than composing them, chopping out words here and there, trying to shoe-horn them to fit in the ridiculous word limit (one which I have never seen in any online community I have ever seen, other than this one). Frequently, coherent text gets unintentionally garbled in the process.

I meant to say I not only read the Scriptures, I also do what they say.

Agreed. "Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only."
---StrongAxe on 1/18/16


StrongAxe
That does sound goofy. Because of the word limits I tend to skip words.

I meant to say I not only read the Scriptures, I also do what they say.
---David on 1/18/16


David, how do you know what Jesus said if you didn't read it? The bible is Gods message to us. You have no idea what Jesus wants unless you read your bible and pray. When God lays something on your heart, you will know it. You won't have to wonder, you will know.
---shira6773 on 1/18/16


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David:

You wrote: I didn't come to believe in Jesus Christ by reading scripture, I came to believe in him, by doing what he said in scripture.

How so? Why would you do what he said BEFORE you believed in him? If a total stranger walked up to you and said "Buy ACME floor wax", would you rush out and buy some just because he said it, even if you don't believe in it? This makes no sense.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/16


Paul praised the Bereans, who didn't take anything for granted, but "searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were so".--StrongAxe

StrongdAxe
I didn't come to believe in Jesus Christ by reading scripture, I came to believe in him, by doing what he said in scripture.

Many folks read, but do not follow the Lords path to Salvation. And the only way to learn the Truth, is to do what he told us to do in scripture.

If 5 people say the water in a pool is too cold, and 5 people say the water is just right, the only way you will know the Truth, is to get into the water yourself.

Doctrines are nothing more than words, but if they are the Truth, God will bring those words to life.
---David on 1/18/16


The son of God and God the Father are not the same, but have the same nature (spirit). If God and Jesus were one in the same they would have the same thoughts, but don't. One example is that Jesus does not know when he will return, only the Father knows.

As for Billy Graham and his son: they side with the catholics. But be careful for ALL denominational "churches" are a creation of Satan and point towards Rome.
---Steveng on 1/17/16


David:

You wrote: many protestants Treat Billy Graham as their Pope.

Many Catholics are deluded, and so are many Protestants, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, and people of every other group on the planet. Many people believe many different things (many of which are wrong). Many people treat Oprah like a pope, but unless she (or Billy Graham) actually act like they believe it, it's not their problem.

Actually I expect folks to follow Gods Holy Spirit, for this is the only way to create the faith needed to be saved.

Agreed. Personality cults are a problem. Paul praised the Bereans, who didn't take anything for granted, but "searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were so".
---StrongAxe on 1/17/16


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He is respected by many protestants, but he is neither universally accepted by them, or universally chosen by them, nor does he presume to speak for all of them, so how is he a pope?--StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Metaphorically speaking... many protestants Treat Billy Graham as their Pope. I honestly didn't expect anyone to take what I said, literally.

The fact that YOU are comfortable making declarations that apply to ALL protestants, however, means you seem to consider YOURSELF to be their pope.--Strongaxe

Strongaxe
Actually I expect folks to follow Gods Holy Spirit, for this is the only way to create the faith needed to be saved.
---David on 1/17/16


David:

You wrote: Billy Graham is the Protestant Pope. Whatever he says,... is their Truth, and his truth make a liar out of my Lord Jesus Christ. And that's my gripe against him, and men like him.

He is respected by many protestants, but he is neither universally accepted by them, or universally chosen by them, nor does he presume to speak for all of them, so how is he a pope?

The fact that YOU are comfortable making declarations that apply to ALL protestants, however, means you seem to consider YOURSELF to be their pope.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/16


David. you must have some kind of gripe on Billy Graham for you to mention his name--Luke on 1/15/16

Luke
Billy Graham is the Protestant Pope. Whatever he says,... is their Truth, and his truth make a liar out of my Lord Jesus Christ. And that's my gripe against him, and men like him.

Does the Son of God have the same nature as God the Father?--Cluny on 1/15/16

Cluny
Does the branch of a tree have the same nature as the trunk of the tree?
---David on 1/16/16


\\I believe Jesus is the Son of God, made flesh.
---David on 1/15/16\\

Does the Son of God have the same nature as God the Father?

Or is He a creation?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/16


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David, do you believe Jesus is God made flesh?-Cluny

Cluny
I believe Jesus is the Son of God, made flesh.
---David on 1/15/16


David. you must have some kind of grip on Billy Graham for you to mention his name. But this is not about him but about what Jeremiah is trying to convey to the reader.
We first receive trust in Christ the very second that God calls us to be His children. At that very second we receive faith in the One who is now a part of us. He who is now in our hearts.
Jeremiah contrasted the person who experiences barrenness (v.5,6) with the one who receives blessing (v.7,8). The difference in attitude is in (trust) placed in man or "that" vested in the Lord (v.6,7).
---Luke on 1/15/16


David, do you believe that Jesus is God made flesh?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


A person that trusts in any man, either himself/herself,or another person, etc. and does not. instead, seek GOD and HIS Counsel will always fail and be cursed.

Because all human beings are fallible. All are capable of being wrong.

All have sinned and come short of GOD's Glory. - ROMANS 3:23.

"...yea, let GOD be True, but every man a liar..." - ROMANS 3:4.
---Gordon on 1/14/16


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David,

The Sinner's Prayer promoted by Billy Graham and others is not Scriptural,therefore, it is a false sense of security.

Only when we trust the Lord do we have blessing and when not curses.
---john9346 on 1/14/16


Jeremiah 17:9 is one of my favorite verses. It reminds me to examine my motives when doing a good deed.
Is it motivated by love or pride?

Words and thoughts should come under the same scrutiny.
---Press_On on 1/13/16


A man that trust in man or anything he thinks he can do in his own strength is destine to suffer loss, because he fails to perceive, or consider that which is truly valuable and beneficial to him due to his external focus. However the man that trust the Father, and focuses internally to discern his own personal motives and tendencies, and ask with a sincere expectation to receive of the Father's saving insight, will receive that which He has promised, His indwelling presence, and out of the innermost part of his being shall flow rivers of living waters, as The Word, embraced understood and conveyed through the Father's direct Divine inspiration.
---Josef on 1/13/16


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