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///...Leon please pray for my 82 year old husband,He had a stroke last night and is in the hospital. He is in Stage 4 of 100 being the worst. He also has heart problems. We've been together 60 years. Thank you. God bless---Darlene_1 on 2/1/16///

Darlene: May the good Lord bless & keep you, & your ailing husband & your entire family in His perfect peace. I pray He fills you all with His strength & comfort as He leads you thru this trying time in life. Be encouraged as you meditate on His word & know the Lord is always with you. Let's hold onto God's unchanging hand no matter what happens in our earthly bodies as we're ever mindful & grateful that by His stripes we (all believers) are healed. Amen!
---Leon on 2/1/16


\Trav, with your usual inability to comprehend what you read, you do not grasp that CALLING oneself both is not the same thing as BEING both.
\\

I meant to say, "being CALLED both is not the same as BEING both."
---Cluny on 1/30/16

Thats funny...if "you meant to say" then I comprehended that you were in error as you admit you are.
We are both agreed on the facts regarding this imposter we are discussing.
I'm sorry you bring out the worst in me, ha, as I'm sure you may be.
Lets start fresh, I forgive your errors... forgive me mine...even though mine be the more by your perception perhaps.
Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
---Trav on 2/1/16


Leon thank you for that information. I just put what I found on line,I always respected him as someone who really tried to make a difference in a peaceful way. Leon please pray for my 82 year old husband,He had a stroke last night and is in the hospital. He is in Stage 4 of 100 being the worst. He also has heart problems. We've been together 60 years. Thank you. God bless
---Darlene_1 on 2/1/16


Darlene: MLK wrote his girlfriend Coretta Scott & reviewed Edward Bellamy's book "Looking Backward 2000-1887", a book Coretta had given him. To impress her, he reflected on the relative merits & shortcomings of capitalism, communism, & socialism by saying, "[I'm] much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic."

Again, Dr. King was just a young man merely trying to woe his girlfriend with his knowledge & deep thoughts. Interestingly, in 2016, Bernie Sanders's socialistic views aren't much different than Dr. King's.

Racist FBI director Hoover was on a witch hunt & tried like hell to link Dr. King to the communist party to no avail.
---Leon on 1/31/16


\\Trav, with your usual inability to comprehend what you read, you do not grasp that CALLING oneself both is not the same thing as BEING both.
\\

I meant to say, "being CALLED both is not the same as BEING both."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/30/16




Trav, with your usual inability to comprehend what you read, you do not grasp that CALLING oneself both is not the same thing as BEING both.

And I've already mentioned that King had known Communist associates. Who was using whom only God knows.

I'm no fan of King. I was 12 years old when he came to Birmingham (my birthplace), and there's a whole side of this story that nobody tells.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/29/16


Martin Luther King Jr wrote his wife to be that he was more Socialistic than Capitalistic. The FBI investigated him because he retained ties to Communist Organizations. What he was is buried in paper and history and what a person accepts from those things is up to their leanings and loyalty. I have no opinion of him but I have never been a person who has attachments to people no matter who they are or what they did not preachers,movie stars or any person,they are all just people to me. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/29/16


\Nobody said he was. Jed said he was a Republican, but Trav said he was a communist.\\

My point is that King (or anyone) cannot be both.
---Cluny on 1/27/16

As per your usual faulty logic, you've flagged yourself. One can call himself an orthodox christian and not be a Christian. So is he both? He thinks he is. You are either a Christian first and only or not. Despite all your repetitive sign off hosannas. Which only make you appear...repetitive as a pharisee who wants to be noted.
king was not a registered republican. By his "known", close ties with russian spies and his private beliefs he affiliated with the communist. His heart/mark was evil regardless of his mouth and title.
---Trav on 1/29/16


Jed: I hope you & your reprobate friends (Nicole, etc.) are having fun because hell is coming for you sooner than you think.

Z_D: I understand "righteous" to mean persons (leaders) who model God's will for the good of ALL "We the people" living in the USA, not just certain privileged groups of citizens. Wicked rulers have an "us versus them" mentality that's an antagonistic hotbed of contention (aggression) & social unease domestically & internationally.

All of mankind's existence is of "prophetic significance" as recorded in the Bible (Genesis-Revelation)...
---Leon on 1/27/16


\\Nobody said he was. Jed said he was a Republican, but Trav said he was a communist.\\

My point is that King (or anyone) cannot be both.

Either Jed is wrong, Trav is wrong, or they both are.

But they both cannot be right.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/16




Cluny:

You wrote: I don't see how you can be a Republican and a communist at the same time.

Nobody said he was. Jed said he was a Republican, but Trav said he was a communist.


Jed:

House:
D: 15296 (6139%) North 145-9 (94-6%) South 7-87 (7-93%)
R: 13834 (8020%) North 138-24 (85-15%) South 0-10 (0-100%)
Senate:
D: 46-21 (69-31%) North 45-1 (98-2%) South 1-20 (5-95%)
R: 27-6 (82-18%) North 27-5 (84-16%) South 0-1 (0-100%)

We were both right. South was 90% Democrat and North only 49% Democrat, so your numbers were dominated by southern racists of both parties. Many "Dixiecrats" later became Republicans due to their disgust with the Civil Rights act, and are there still.
---StrongAxe on 1/27/16


\\King was a communist among many other disgusting things.\\

I don't see how you can be a Republican and a communist at the same time.

However, it was known at the time that he had Communists in his entourage.

His adulteries were well known, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/16


Jed:
You wrote: That is simply a flat out lie. King was a Republican.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/16

You would be the liar or uniformed or both.
King was a communist among many other disgusting things.

He was being watched by the government and should have been. When they finally release, if ever, "all" the documents on him we'll see what a scum bag our streets are named after.
---Trav on 1/26/16



You wrote: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats...

Again, can you cite any references for that? I cited mine.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/16


My source is the Congressional Record Index.

House of Representatives:
Democrat: 153-91 (63-37%)
Republican: 136-35 (80-20%)

Senate:
Democrat: 46-21 (69-31%)
Republican: 27-6 (82-18%)

Why don't you post your percentages again, with the exact number of votes shown. If you do the math, the percentages from your wiki-article can not add up, no matter how you mince the numbers.
---Jed on 1/26/16


Jed:

Yes, yes, we know the Republicans were the new party of the Abolitionists in the 1860s, opposed to the Democrats, but both parties have changed and evolved much since then, and I'm sure everyone involved at the time is long dead.

You wrote: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats...

Again, can you cite any references for that? I cited mine (and Wikipedia is not allowed to contain original material - it must always be from other sources, which can be verified from the footnotes).

I mentioned 4 groups, separating both parties by region (north and south, which still think differently even today).
---StrongAxe on 1/25/16


The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress.

The 14th Amendment, giving full citizenship to freed slaves, passed in 1868 with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.

The 15th Amendment, giving freed slaves the right to vote, passed in 1870 with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.

The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.
---Jed on 1/25/16


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StrongAxe, there were two major political parties in 1964, Republican and democrat, not four. The confederacy had been abolished for nearly 100 years prior. There is no such thing as the north democrat party, south democrat party, north Republican party, or the south Republican party. You are trying to split data in order to show stronger democrat support for the Civil Rights Act. No matter which way you split it, those numbers you gave can not mathematically add up to the actual Republican vs. Democrat votes, in which Republican votes far exceeded democrat votes for the CRA.
---Jed on 1/25/16



It is true that most blacks tended to vote Republican until the time of FDR, when they migrated to the Democratic party.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/24/16


That is true. Of course, having black support doesn't make you not a racist. Advocating equality does.
---Jed on 1/24/16


Jed:

You wrote: That is simply a flat out lie. King was a Republican.

From Wikipedia (Politics subsection):

in a letter to a civil rights supporter in October 1956 he said that he was undecided as to whether he would vote for Adlai Stevenson or Dwight Eisenhower, but that "In the past I always voted the Democratic ticket."

Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress.

Wrong in all 4 groups. From Wikipedia:
House: North 94% D, 85% R. South 7% D, 0% R.
Senate: North 98% D, 84% R. South 1% D, 0% R.

I showed my sources. What are yours?
---StrongAxe on 1/24/16


It is true that most blacks tended to vote Republican until the time of FDR, when they migrated to the Democratic party.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/16


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StrongAxe, Jed is correct. Martin Luther Jr. was a Republican first and was TRICKED by the Democrat party of Alabama.

His Niece Rev. Alveda Celeste King speaks about it today. Even she left the Democrat party

You can look her up in Wikipedia, it states her party change as well.

Most Black people in Alabama were Republicans until Luther changed to the Democrat party and lead his followers into the Democrat party.

Today as 70 years ago, it is the Republican party who has led and leads the Civil Rights for non-White people.

I know, because ALL the discrimination I have received came from people stating they are Democrats and the Democrat party leaders themselves.

All because I DARED to leave the Plantation!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/16



The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was non-partisan, but always voted the Democratic ticket.


That is simply a flat out lie. King was a Republican. Which makes sense since the Republicans were the party of Civil Rights and the democrat fervently fought against it.


The Civil Rights Act was opposed strongly by southern Democrats, and even more strongly by southern Republicans.


Again, another lie. You're just making up your own historical stats.

Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress.
---Jed on 1/24/16


Jed:

Yes, but remember, Johnson was from Texas - i.e. he was a southern Democrat. The Civil Rights Act was opposed strongly by southern Democrats, and even more strongly by southern Republicans.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/16


Cluny thank you for your agreement. It is troubling how people vote their Party no matter how bad the choices for an office in the Party. People built this Country in their Buckskins and to my knowledge a lot never belonged to a Party. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/23/16


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Lyndon Johnson had a mixed record on race and initially opposed the bill. Prior to his presidency, as a senate leader, Johnson did his best to cripple the Civil Rights Act when it was first introduced by Republicans in 1957. Kennedy supported it. It was only after Johnson had taken the teeth out of it in the 1964 version that he supported it. Johnson would later explain his thinking thus: "These Negroes, theyre getting pretty uppity these days, and thats a problem for us, since theyve got something now they never had before: the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now weve got to do something about this weve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."
---Jed on 1/23/16


Cluny:

I wrote: The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was non-partisan, but always voted the Democratic ticket.

You wrote: Sounds partisan to me.

No. Partisan means voting for a party, i.e. "My party, right or wrong". Sadly, there are a large number of people who are like this. (Cults are also like this.)

Many people, however, are issues voters, and vote for the best candidate who supports their favorite issues that the time, no matter which party he happens to belong to. It may just happen that one party tends to align itself to those issues, so the voter is more likely to vote for candidates from that party, but that is more an effect than a cause.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/16


\\The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was non-partisan, but always voted the Democratic ticket.\\

Sounds partisan to me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/23/16


Cluny wrote: And the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts of the '60's were passed during Eisenhower's Republican administration, too, weren't they?

I'm assuming that's sarcasm.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was called for by president John F. Kennedy, a Democrat.
It was passed under president Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat.
The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was non-partisan, but always voted the Democratic ticket.

The biggest opposition came from southern Democrats, 93% of whom opposed it, but 100% of southern Republicans opposed it too. This was a Southern thing, not a Democrat thing, and Republicans were worse.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/16


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\\People voting for the Party is what gets America in trouble. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/22/16\\

I agree with you, Darlene.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


\\That really makes the democrats the party of racial and gender equality, doesn't it?\\

And the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts of the '60's were passed during Eisenhower's Republican administration, too, weren't they?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


People voting for the Party is what gets America in trouble. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/22/16


Cluny, congratulations. You found ONE democrat who supported women's suffrage. Good job. That really makes the democrats the party of racial and gender equality, doesn't it? And that MUST mean that Republicans are racist and sexist as well? Because you found ONE democrat who supported women's suffrage. You should teach logic at a university.
---Jed on 1/22/16


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Jed:

You wrote: Cluny, you really need to re-check your history. Racial and gender equality was, is, and has always been the agenda of the Republican party.

Those are, by definition, liberal causes, because they went against the status quo (which is, by its very definition, conservative). The Republican party was moderate-to-right 40-50 years ago, but in the past couple of decades, has swung extremely to the right.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/16


\\Racial and gender equality was, is, and has always been the agenda of the Republican party.\\

As a matter of fact, Williams Jennings Bryan, who supported women's suffrage, was a DEMOCRAT!

What were you saying about getting your facts straight?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


cluny: "And just who determines who is a real Christian and who is not?"

Jesus Christ! He wrote Ten Commandments with His own finger. If you reject them and choose the commandments of men instead, chances are that you're not a REAL Christian.



---jerry6593 on 1/22/16


Cluny, you really need to re-check your history. Racial and gender equality was, is, and has always been the agenda of the Republican party. In fact, the Republican party was founded for the very purpose of fighting slavery and giving rights to African Americans. Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. The Civil rights act had almost unanimous republican support while democrats unanimously opposed it. Democrats have always fought against racial and gender equality, and they still do in policy. You really ought to get that lying thing under control, Cluny.
---Jed on 1/21/16


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100 years ago, women's suffrage (championed by the conservative Christian William J. Bryan) was considered a LIBERAL cause.

So was racial equality 60 years ago.

Both were changes from the received social practices and attitudes of the time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/16


Jerry said, "No. They were Socialists. That's what NAZI means - National Socialist Party."

Jerry, The socio-political spectrum is not broken down into neat segments. Political feelings run from Socialism (on the far left) to Socialism (on the far right) The Nazis were National Socialists, which means that they wanted everything for Germany, and the leaders at the top.

The Russian socialists wanted to spread an international brand of socialism, with everything going to Russia, and the leaders at the top.

The only difference is who is going to be victimized, the poor, or the poor.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/21/16


Lol. You people are ridiculous just making up that people were conservatives. First the Pharisees were the equivalent to modern day conservatives, now the Nazi's were too? Lol. That's a riot. Nope. The U.S. democrat party is the party of totalitarianism and oppression. This kind of political role reversal revisionism is just plain ignorant.

Also, conservatism and liberalism has it's own definitions in different countries. They are starkly different in the U.S. then they are in other parts of the world. Conservative Christianity is hardly anything like conservative Islam. The liberals in the U.S. have made it a point to align themselves with conservative Islam, which is the most oppressive movement we have seen since Nazi's.
---Jed on 1/21/16


The conservatives of nearly 499 years ago in Europe rejected Luther's teaching.
---Cluny on 1/20/16

But, is your Orthodox religion conservative or liberal? It is most assuredly conservative and holds to the past as strongly as possible.

Yet, in civilization we do not hold onto the past as strongly as possible. Both you and I. However, what was wrong in the past according to the our Apostles, is still wrong now according to them.

Therefore, this is not a conservative / liberal issue. This is a moral issue. What was once wrong is now right and what was once right is now wrong.

We need to vote for the candidates who will support our moral values.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/21/16


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\\It is not possible for a REAL Christian\\

And just who determines who is a real Christian and who is not? You, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/16


BTW, the conservatives of 2000 years ago in Palestine were Pharisees who rejected Jesus.
---Cluny on 1/20/16

As you noted, there is an Amazing resemblance, pharisee's and demoncrats. They act pious but, their actions tell all. You are what you defend...cluny.
You neither commit or abstain. You are neither for or against. Hot or cold. You post your "wide way" is the safe way. Entitling you to a hug from both sides.

Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 1/21/16


"The conservatives of Germany in 1939 were Nazis."

No. They were Socialists. That's what NAZI means - National Socialist Party. Come to think about it, the current Democrat Party in America is the National Socialist party led by the Fuhrer Obama.

It is not possible for a REAL Christian to be a Democrat - the values are incompatible.


---jerry6593 on 1/21/16


\\you can not be a Christian without being a conservative.
\\

The conservatives of nearly 499 years ago in Europe rejected Luther's teaching.

The conservatives of Germany in 1939 were Nazis.

Conservative Christians in the South as late as 40 years ago were white supremists.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16


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I am very convinced that in this time of turmoil Christians need to walk closer to God than they ever have. The old adage you can't do wrong and get by is so very true for Christians. This is plain, Revelations 3:16 KJV, So then because thou art lukewarm,neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. Jesus said it "Be ye holy as I am holy". You can't have one foot a little bit in the world and the other in walking righteous,it never works because Satan will grab you and pull you all the way into sin. Chose this day who you will serve,it may be the last day. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/20/16


Jed:

Just because one calls themselves a Christian doesn't make it so.

This also applies to pharisaical conservatives. If you quote demographics, you must rely on demographic methods (i.e. asking people what they are).

you can not be a Christian without being a conservative.

There are many non-conservative Christians, despite claims of people like you. Catholics also claim Protestants aren't "real" Christians, but I'm sure you disagree.

One can be liberal without supporting abortion, and one can be liberal without being a Democrat. Besides, the Bible doesn't have litmus tests such as your for who a "true" believer is.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16


The Bible says we will know them by their fruit,a good tree doesn't bring forth bad fruit and a bad tree doesn't bring forth good fruit. How can one who shows bad fruit,abortions,planned parenthood funding,11 million illegal aliens let loose on America,even convicted felons these are some of what the Liberal Democrats back. That looks pretty bad to me. Whether they are Christians God will judge. We do have to sometimes be a little bit of a Fruit Inspector to protect our own Christian walk. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/20/16


\\ Just because one calls themselves a Christian doesn't make it so. The truth is that the majority of Americans are not Christians, regardless of whether they "identify" as one.\\

Then by your own criteria, you're not a Christian, Jed.

Would you like to be?

BTW, the conservatives of 2000 years ago in Palestine were Pharisees who rejected Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16


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...majority of Democrats (i.e. the major political party of liberals) are Christians too.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16

...simply a flat out lie.
... you can not be a Christian without being a conservative. You can not support legalized abortion, and all the other godless practices that the democrat party celebrates, and be a true Christian.
---Jed on 1/20/16

Amen on that Jed. Not recognizing his own statement is a lie, is sad.
Anyone that makes excuses for poser and that party wants what that party is handing out or approving by legislation. SAxe, seems to want the government, "his" king to approve what the bible doesn't so as to have an excuse. Doesn't work that way, SAxe. What you defend is what you are.
---Trav on 1/20/16


\\You can not support legalized abortion, \\

Well, you're hardly one to talk, Jed.

You support physician-assisted suicide and ISIS.

At least, I've never heard you condemn them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16



The majority of Democrats (i.e. the major political party of liberals) are Christians too.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16


That is simply a flat out lie. Just because one calls themselves a Christian doesn't make it so. The truth is that the majority of Americans are not Christians, regardless of whether they "identify" as one. While there are many conservatives who are not Christians, you can not be a Christian without being a conservative. You can not support legalized abortion, and all the other godless practices that the democrat party celebrates, and be a true Christian.
---Jed on 1/20/16


Darlene_1:

You wrote: if you will notice the majority of Conservatives are Christians therefore

The majority of Democrats (i.e. the major political party of liberals) are Christians too.


jerry6593:

You wrote: Then why did he say: Hag 2:8

That wasn't Jesus.

His comment to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" seems facetious in view of the fact that all the gold & silver is God's.

Irrelevant, because despite this, both old and new testaments highly respect human property rights.

"custom" was required of foreigners, and Israelites weren't required to pay it.

Then why did Israel have publicans/tax collectors like Matthew?
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16


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Strong Axe if you will notice the majority of Conservatives are Christians therefore it isn't about giving or not giving people choices their stand is about adhering to God's Word which forbids the things they stand against,they have no other choice. A Christian can't walk a path that is contrary to God's Word and expect to go to heaven. I don't judge people at all but I can't agree it's alright if what they do is contrary to God's Word. Conservatives believe in keeping the Constitution of the USA as much as they do God's Word. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/19/16


StrongAxe: "He apparently didn't consider taxation stealing."

Really? Then why did he say:

Hag 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

And just how would you know His thoughts when they aren't recorded. His comment to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" seems facetious in view of the fact that all the gold & silver is God's. Besides, "custom" was required of foreigners, and Israelites weren't required to pay it.


"Liberals want people to have freedom to make their own choices, while conservatives want to impose their views on people who can't be trusted to make up their own minds."

You've got that backwards.
---jerry6593 on 1/19/16


Darlene_1:

Actually, it's libertarians who want governments to be hands off, not conservatives. Both liberals and conservatives seem schiziophrenic about their world views.

Liberals think of people as children who need to be taken care of in most things. Conservatives think of people as adults who have rights to make their own decisions and must take responsibility for them.

It's curious, however, that both of these are diametrically reversed in matters involving drugs, sex, marriage, etc. Liberals want people to have freedom to make their own choices, while conservatives want to impose their views on people who can't be trusted to make up their own minds. I'm very curious why this is.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/16


Liberal in Christianity and politics are very different things. Politics want to force on people their beliefs of government. If people don't adhere to what they believe they make Laws to force them to obey that way. Liberal Christians are generous,blessing,and have a heart to share from their own possessions and other things which come out of love. In Politics Liberals believe in forced spreading the wealth around which is no different than Socialism or communism. Liberal Christians are a good force run by God's Word,Liberal Politicians a bad force run by power hungry men. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/18/16


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Why are being lectured on morality by someone who thinks it's okay to kill unborn babies?
---Jed on 1/18/16


In contrast, conservatism is (all too frequently) Pharisaism.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/16

You are taking Jesus statements out of context.

Jesus gave no narrative on government or the rule of law. Jesus gave His commandments to individual peoples.

We as individuals are to be liberal in our love, in our giving, and in our service to others and God.

I can be a liberal when it comes to my personal daily Christian walk, and be a conservative when it comes to my view on government.

But, using a government to provide my personal liberality is a sin, by knowing to right thing to do and doing it not.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/18/16


jerry6593:

You wrote: Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Yes, but when shown a coin, Jesus said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", rather than railing about the iniquity of taxation, where the Roman government milked its colonies dry, and used the money it raised to fund pagan temples, enrich Roman aristocrats, wage war on other countries and enslave them, etc.

He apparently didn't consider taxation stealing.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/16


StrongAxe:

Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.


It is a fact that charitable giving by conservative politicians far outpaces that of "liberal" ones by a wide margin. One could thereby deduce that conservatives are more liberal (in the true sense of the word) than liberals.


---jerry6593 on 1/18/16


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jerry6593:

Some (but not all) liberals are liberal in name only, just as some Christians are Christian in name only, and the Bible condemns "those who call themselve Jews but are not", etc. Don't condemn all with a wide brush.

They think it right to steal one man's substance and give it (after deducting a generous share for themselves) to someone else who will help perpetuate their hold on power.

The difference between liberals and conservatives is who they steal from, and who they give to. Robin Hood and Sheriff of Nottingham both stole from one group to give to another.
---StrongAxe on 1/17/16


StrongAxe: "Note that the Bible itself uses the term "liberal" several times.

Yes, liberality is a good, Christian quality, and the giving spirit is a blessing to the giver. But the modern political "Liberal" is one in name only. These (Democrat) Liberals are anything but giving. They want the feeling of liberality and the praise therefrom, but always at someone else's expense.

They think it right to steal one man's substance and give it (after deducting a generous share for themselves) to someone else who will help perpetuate their hold on power. This Marxist philosophy espoused by our current dictator as "spreading the wealth around" is anything but Christian.




---jerry6593 on 1/17/16


StrongAxe Medicare and Medicaid are nothing alike. In Medicare we pay for our Health Insurance to the Social Security Department out of our Social Security checks. Medicaid is free and requires no insurance payment,I know because Mom gets Medicaid. Medicaid was nearly out of money and the Democratic House of Representatives,majority Democrats,voted to take money from Social Security funds to fund Medicaid. Even if the Senate signed off on it,the reason was it was tacked on to the bill which would have stopped all salaries,and the Democratic President signed it. I am glad for you that you got some help when you needed it. Mom had used all her money and she needed it too at 96. PS I pay nearly $300.00 a month Health Insurance. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/16/16


Jed:

You said: Simply put, liberalism is godlessness. Those who practice it and defend it, make themselves enemies of righteousness. Many here are wolves in sheep's clothing. But even they do not wear the disguise very well, as you can see.

Note that the Bible itself uses the term "liberal" several times. In one instance, it is used in a neutral context, and in all other cases, it is praised.

In contrast, conservatism is (all too frequently) Pharisaism. Look at which of the two Jesus saved most of his tongue lashings for.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/16


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Simply put, liberalism is godlessness. Those who practice it and defend it, make themselves enemies of righteousness. Many here are wolves in sheep's clothing. But even they do not wear the disguise very well, as you can see.
---Jed on 1/15/16


Darlene_1:

You wrote: As a Senior Citizen I am seeing areas where Medicare won't pay where it used to and every year it gets worse.

I am also a senior citizen, and I'm alive because of Medicaid reforms. If I had gotten cancer a few years earlier instead of a year ago, I wouldn't be. There are many states whose governors obstinately refuse Medicaid reform and fight Affordable Care tooth and nail (cuttng their own constituents' throats just to make a point) - ALL of them Republicans.

The Democratic Government just stole Social Security Money

Such cuts were legislated by REPUBLICAN Congress, NOT the Democratic executive.
---StrongAxe on 1/15/16


Jed:

I was specifically addressing Geraldine's watching for parties whose emphasis is compassion for our population.

Obamacare: 17 million Americans have insurance, who couldn't get it before.

Social security: Congress has robbed that for decades, but never puts it back. Why does current Republican congress perpetuate that?

Minimum wage: 10 states increased minimum wage recently. In ALL of them, standards of living have IMPROVED, despite Republican doomsaying.

Forcing gun control: The ONLY force is in enforcing EXISTING gun laws - i.e. making sure people who buy guns aren't felons, etc. (good if you fear foreign extremists).
---StrongAxe on 1/15/16


One party's candidates are consistently for issues like:
- Obamacare (so healthcare costs skyrocket to unaffordable heights while level of care deteriorates, so more poor people will get sick and die)
- Robbing social security for working people to fund welfare.
- Increasing welfare (so fewer people have to work while the others have to work harder.)
- Increasing minimum wage (so more people will be poor)
- Opening boarders to Islamic extremists while also forcing gun control(so our women and children are put in danger of rape and their only form of self defense taken away)
- Taxing working people to the point of breaking and giving it to people who are able to work, but refuse to.
- Killing innocent unborn babies.
---Jed on 1/15/16


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...Proverbs 29:2-When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Does this year's elections hold any particular prophetic significance?---Zander_Dell_Raines on 1/13/16

Z_D: I understand "righteous" to mean persons (leaders) who model God's will for the good of ALL "We the people" living in the USA, not just certain privileged groups of citizens. Wicked rulers have an "us versus them" mentality that's an antagonistic hotbed of contention (aggression) & social unease domestically & internationally.

All of mankind's existence is of "prophetic significance" as recorded in the Bible (Genesis-Revelation)...

---Leon on 1/15/16


Affordable Care is the worst bad joke of several 1000 years. As a Senior Citizen I am seeing areas where Medicare won't pay where it used to and every year it gets worse. I went to the Emergency Room because my eyes were turning yellow,having been warned by a Specialist some of my medication could damage my Liver I was concerned. Two Blood tests which were necessary to see if the liver was alright were given,Medicare denied payment. The Liver is fine but now the eyes are still yellow and I don't know what the Government will pay for to have further tests to discover the problem. The Democratic Government just stole Social Security Money and once again no raise this year. The Government will support Refugees.Not Fair!!God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/15/16


One party's candidates are consistently for issues like:
---StrongAxe on 1/14/16

And the other parties candidates support a form of government different than the one that currently exists within the US.

One is a staunch socialist, trying to get elected to the highest office in a country that is a democratic republic with a free enterprise economy. Will this candidate do everything to support the country as is or will he try to change it into his vision?

I think trying to change our country from a democratic republic into a form of socialism is treason and no one should ever vote for a treasonous candidate.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/16


Geraldine:

One party's candidates are consistently for issues like:
- repealing Affordable Care, with no alternative (so more poor people will get sick and die)
- opposing Medicaid (ditto)
- scaling back public programs like food stamps (so more poor people will starve)
- opposing minimum wage increases (so more people will be poor)
- expelling immigrants and refugees, especially from the middle east (lucky Mary+Joseph didn't come here)
- lowering taxes on the rich and cutting tax breaks for the poor
etc. etc.

You can see how well that all fits in with "compassion for our population.".
---StrongAxe on 1/14/16


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I will watch for candidates of either political party whose emphasis in words and action are on compassion for our population.
---Geraldine on 1/14/16


They mean the ship's going down faster than we can bail out the water.
---Press_On on 1/13/16


No.

No more any any other election anywhere in the world.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


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