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Neutral On Abortions

Can a Christian be neutral on the subject of legalized abortion? If you advocate keeping abortion legal, doesn't that make you an abortion supporter?

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jerry and Samuel are members of a pro-choice church. Don't they have something to be ashamed of?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/26/16


Perhaps they do. But I have never personally seen them defending or belittling the value of an unborn baby. I've said it before and I will say it again: I would and do criticize anyone who supports legalized abortion. I have never seen that from Jerry or Samuel. Have you? I have seen that from StrongAxe.
---Jed on 1/26/16


Oh, you can be neutral about a lot of things.

I'm neutral about other people possessing firearms, though I choose not to have any myself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/16


But the word neutral is not in the Bible, in fact this the same as compromise - isnt it?

But you are either for or against abortion, you cannot be neutral.
I am against it.
Manny
---Manny on 1/26/16

The concept of neutral is in scripture. And the consequences. Neutral is fear. Neutral is indecision. Neutal is lazy, weak, abhorrent, non inspiring, disgraceful. To the hot or cold types.
Displayed by ortho-cat and his stale-mated apostle.
Rev_3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 1/26/16


\\StrongAxe, you have much to be ashamed of. You are pro-choice.\\

jerry and Samuel are members of a pro-choice church. Don't they have something to be ashamed of?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/16


Jed it's easy for some to know what to think about Pro-choice and no choice it is harder for some. There are so many women and girls that have become pregnant because of rape and I can see why they wouldn't want a baby by their attacker. It is such a hard question Do you allow an eleven year old an abortion or make her have a baby at 12 before her body is even ready to do that or allow abortion? Under many situations I can understand Strong Axe view although it's not mine. Mine is an educated view,I saw fetuses preserved at all stages at the State Science Building at the fair,when I was 11 and they looked like babies to me. Every person must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. We shouldn't judge them. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/26/16




Cluny said, " BTW, Jed, when are you going to condemn the SDA Church for being pro-choice?"

In the SDA Official Guidelines, they say that: "The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation."

This is exactly the pro-choice standard.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/26/16


StrongAxe, you have much to be ashamed of. You are pro-choice. You should be ashamed. The fact that you aren't ashamed is clear indication of the condition of your soul.
---Jed on 1/26/16


We are not here to condemn anyone. But the word neutral is not in the Bible, in fact this the same as compromise - isnt it?
God forgives us - that is because of grace.
But you are either for or against abortion, you cannot be neutral.
I am against it.
Manny
---Manny on 1/26/16


Jed,

Are you going to answer john9346's question to you?
---j on 1/26/16


Jed:

You wrote: StrongAxe, why would you avoid answering, unless what I was accusing you of is true. If you did not support legalized abortion, then you would have nothing to be ashamed or silent about.

I have nothing to be ashamed of, and I have answered you multiple time. I am just weary of this constant inquisition, so (like Jesus before the Pharisees and before Pilate), I decline to answer, because the whole point of this discussion is NOT to elicit knowledge, or promote dialogue, but rather, as an inquisition to judge and condemn people (such as myself). To quote War Games, "the best move is not to play."
---StrongAxe on 1/25/16




StrongAxe, why would you avoid answering, unless what I was accusing you of is true. If you did not support legalized abortion, then you would have nothing to be ashamed or silent about.
---Jed on 1/25/16


Jed:

You wrote: Saying something should not be illegal, is the same as saying it should be legal.

Yes, but NOT saying something should be illegal is NOT the same as saying it should be legal. Silence does not imply admission. It can simply mean "I don't want to get into this fight". The very fact that you are constantly hounding me about this, after I have repeatedly asked you to stop, demonstrates very well WHY one would want to avoid getting into such a fight.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/16


\\I know nothing about the SDA church. And given your track record, I can not simply rely on your word, just because you say they are so. \\

All you have to do is go to your favorite search engine and type "SDA + abortion."

And you are hardly in a position to criticize anybody's track record, since by your own criteria, you're not even a Christian.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/16


Jed,

I noticed you never answered John9346's Question to you.
---j on 1/25/16


Thanks for proving what I said about you. You are now spewing the same argument that abortion proponents spew, that the unborn baby is not a human being. And you are not an abortion supporter?

Cluny, what is your reaction to StrongAxe claim that an unborn baby is not a human being?
---Jed on 1/25/16



\\Saying something should not be illegal, is the same as saying it should be legal.\\

Not necessarily.


Actually, Yes, necessarily.

In any case, StrongAxe has never said abortion should not be illegal.

My, you have reading troubles. I did your homework for your lazy self and you still can't comprehend it?

And I noticed you said NOTHING about the SDA's pro-choice position.

Why?


Perhaps you should wait until a person's response has a chance to be posted before jumping on them for not answering. My answer to that question has been posted below.
---Jed on 1/24/16


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: No, a Christian can not be neutral on abortion which is killing.
One of the 10 Commandants.


The commandment is "thou shalt not murder", not "thou shalt not kill". Otherwise, anyone who eats meat or fish is worthy of death.

The above assumes abortion is murder, which assumes a fetus is a human being, which is hotly debated. When does life begin? Conception? Conception is not even a precise medical term. What is "conception"? Fertilization, or implantation? Even opinions differ on that. 22% of fertilized eggs fail to implant, and 31% miscarry, so 46% don't survive. So, BY DESIGN, God is responsible for around half of all abortions.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/16


No, a Christian can not be neutral on abortion which is killing.
One of the 10 Commandants.

But you be neutral and be a advocate at the same time.
Advocating to keep abortion legal means you made a choice and no longer neutral on the matter.

So you have 2 of 3 different positions posted above.

The 3rd is to be against abortion.

1. Advocate for abortion
2. Neutral
3. Against abortion.

I live in Alabama.
Some advocate for Alabama (Roll Tide) football and some advocate for Auburn (War Eagle)

I am truly neutral.
I don't care which of the 2 wins the football game, or if both lose to LSU.

Now that's being neutral.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/16


\\Saying something should not be illegal, is the same as saying it should be legal.\\

Not necessarily.

In any case, StrongAxe has never said abortion should not be illegal.

And I noticed you said NOTHING about the SDA's pro-choice position.

Why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/16



BTW, Jed, when are you going to condemn the SDA Church for being pro-choice?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/24/16


I criticize any person who is pro-choice. I know nothing about the SDA church. And given your track record, I can not simply rely on your word, just because you say they are so. You could be twisting words, as you often do, as evidenced by this very thread. If I ever hear any SDA member or a member of any church, defending a pro-choice stance, I will certainly criticize them as well. Also, remember, not everyone adheres 100% to the teachings of their denomination as you do, Cluny. Some people are able to think independently of their church leadership.
---Jed on 1/24/16


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Cluny, apparently you are having trouble understanding what is written. I get that happens to you a lot.

Let me help you. Illegal is the opposite of legal. Saying something should not be illegal, is the same as saying it should be legal. I hope that helps clear that up for you.
---Jed on 1/24/16


BTW, Jed, when are you going to condemn the SDA Church for being pro-choice?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/16


\\my own personal objections to abortion are merely my opinions, and insufficient to rise to the weight of wishing something to be made illegal. \\

And this means StrongAxe wants abortion to stay legal in the USA because.......

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/23/16


Cluny, You've GOT to be kidding? Do you only read the posts you want to read? Goodness, you are lazy!

Just because one doesn't approve of something doesn't necessarily imply that one should also want it to be illegal...I loathe smoking, but I don't think the government should criminalize it. That does not make me pro-smoking nor a smoker... my own personal objections to abortion are merely my opinions, and insufficient to rise to the weight of wishing something to be made illegal. There are many things in this world that I think might be nicer if they weren't legal, but that alone doesn't justify me wishing it were so, or trying to force others to make it so. (As I mentioned earlier, smoking is one of them). ---StrongAxe
---Jed on 1/23/16


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StrongAxe said, "Not quite. In your example, the question not being answered would be entirely his choice, hence his fault. In the blog case, the answer not being posted is up to the moderators and the censor bots, and the poster has no choice in the matter."

Touche

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/23/16


Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: If the answer didn't get posted, Jed, that is the same as not answering the question at all, because Cluny (and the rest of us) didn't see the post.

It is the same thing as (metaphor) if you were taking a math test, and you thought about the answer, but had to go to the bathroom, and when you got back, the test was over. Through no fault of your own your answer did not make it to the intended audience. Post again!


Not quite. In your example, the question not being answered would be entirely his choice, hence his fault. In the blog case, the answer not being posted is up to the moderators and the censor bots, and the poster has no choice in the matter.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/16


\\Eventually, he did admit that he supports abortion being legal, which I knew all along.\\

Please quote StrongAxe's exact words on this matter, giving the date and thread he said so.

Should be an easy matter for you, unless you're prevaricating.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


How is that a "taste of my own medicine", Cluny? You are just making up random lies. What I said about StrongAxe was actually true. He is indeed a pro-choicer, which he finally admitted. I was just exposing his lie of not being an abortion supporter. A lie that you first perpetrated. You were just making up flat out lies about me on topics I have never even discussed, let alone defended. Shame on you. We know who your father is, liar.
---Jed on 1/23/16


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I got this from the official SDA site. Here is their statement on the evil of abortion:

"The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation."

EXACTLY the pro-choice position!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


Jed said, "I did answer the question. Unfortunately, that answer didn't get posted."

If the answer didn't get posted, Jed, that is the same as not answering the question at all, because Cluny (and the rest of us) didn't see the post.

It is the same thing as (metaphor) if you were taking a math test, and you thought about the answer, but had to go to the bathroom, and when you got back, the test was over. Through no fault of your own your answer did not make it to the intended audience. Post again!
---Monk_Brendan on 1/22/16


I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine, Jed.

No fun at all, is it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


Cluny, your childishness knows no bounds. Obviously I am not able to respond to every single post here. I never accused you of supporting legalized abortion. I asked you twice. Your first response was a non answer, as if you were avoiding answering the question directly. I asked again and accepted your answer when you answered directly. StrongAxe was asked repeatedly if he supports the legalization of abortion, or to at least agree that it is wrong. He refused to give a straight answer while claiming not to support abortion itself. Eventually, he did admit that he supports abortion being legal, which I knew all along. I have never in any way supported or defended or downplayed assisted suicide. You are a child.
---Jed on 1/22/16


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Monk Brendan, let me help you. I am not condemning anyone for "not doing enough" to fight abortion. Anything is better than nothing. If you stand against legalized abortion and believe that it is evil, then I am on your side. What I am condemning is people actually advocating for the legalization of abortion, while claiming not to be supporting abortion. It is the ridiculous assertion that you can simultaneously be both against abortion but believe that they are a right and should be legal, that I am criticizing. If you can't at the very least muster up the decency to say that abortion is wrong, and you advocate for it being legal, that makes you an abortion advocate.
---Jed on 1/21/16


Cluny:

You wrote: Since when asked, Jed never said he rejected physician-assisted suicide, I can only assume (using his own methodology) that he thinks it should be legal.

Declining to answer is not the same as admission. There were several times when Jesus was asked questions (by the Pharisees, and by Pilate) and he declined to answer, knowing there was no point (e.g. when questions were not asked to solicit knowledge, but merely to entrap).

I also try to avoid such questions (Note to Jed), and I think you do too, on occasion.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/16


\\I don't support assisted suicide. I think it is wrong. I don't think it should be legal.\\

Your pitiful attempt at back-pedalling might fool yourself, but not me.

\\ That accusation is a flat out lie totally fabricated by Cluny. \\

Like your claim that **I** supported abortion.

\\In fact, I don't even recall that topic ever being discussed on these blogs.\\

Here is where I mentioned it on this very blog:

++Pray for Arizona. A "Death with Dignity" bill has been introduced.

As we know, the "Right to Die" will become the "Duty to Die," and then the "Right to Kill the Sick."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/16++
---Cluny on 1/22/16



How about answering Cluny's question: Why do you support physician assisted suicide?
---Monk_Brendan on 1/21/16


I did answer the question. Unfortunately, that answer didn't get posted. I don't support assisted suicide. I think it is wrong. I don't think it should be legal. That accusation is a flat out lie totally fabricated by Cluny. In fact, I don't even recall that topic ever being discussed on these blogs. If it was I certainly was not part of that discussion, and certainly didn't say that I was in favor of it. Shame on you, Cluny.
---Jed on 1/21/16


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Hi Jed,

I appreciate your passion for this topic and are you a Pro-life Activist?

I lead a Bible Study Group on Sundays and I am wondering how would you feel about coming to speak on this topic?
---john9346 on 1/21/16


Since when asked, Jed never said he rejected physician-assisted suicide, I can only assume (using his own methodology) that he thinks it should be legal.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/16


He didn't answer. So I asked him once more.
---Jed on 1/21/16

I have for decades supported Operation Rescue/Operation Save America in financial, emotional, and physical ways.

However, I attended a church that the group protested against. The pastor and church was strongly pro-life but yet the group wanted to "stir up" the church because they said not enough was being done by the church.

The protest was horrible, people with signs and bull-horns yelling at traffic, insulting our Christian body. What they wanted was to stir us up, but all they did was turn people against them.

I think you are doing the same thing now.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/21/16


Jed said, "Cluny, so now I'm persecuting you by asking you to answer a simple question? Sorry, didn't realize you were so easily butthurt."

Butthurt? Never heard it before. I had to look it up to find out what it meant. But Jed, you can be a real pain.

How about answering Cluny's question: Why do you support physician assisted suicide?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/21/16


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Cluny, so now I'm persecuting you by asking you to answer a simple question? Sorry, didn't realize you were so easily butthurt.

Asking once is fine. Asking repeatedly, being given an answer, then asking again, then being told that the answer should be sufficient, then asking again, then being told to stop asking again, then asking again - THAT counts as harassment (and not "butthurt").

Cluny has mentioned his being named in a lawsuit over this many times on these blogs.

---StrongAxe on 1/21/16


I asked him once if he supported the legalization of abortion. He didn't answer. So I asked him once more. As for you, your problem is you refuse to give straight answers.
---Jed on 1/21/16


Jed:
Asking once is fine. Asking repeatedly, being given an answer, then asking again, then being told that the answer should be sufficient, then asking again, then being told to stop asking again, then asking again - THAT counts as harassment .

Cluny has mentioned his being named in a lawsuit...
---StrongAxe on 1/21/16

So it is persecution if it is someone other than cluny or you asking the questions. Ha, ha, ha. What a crock of fear you two display.
Here is how you appear. You have no answer: its just Jed persecuting us.
You have no answer: Jed is embarrassing us online.
You have no scriptural answer: Jed is exposing us for what we are.

Lawsuit: That went nowhere.
---Trav on 1/21/16


Jed:

You wrote to Cluny: Cluny, so now I'm persecuting you by asking you to answer a simple question? Sorry, didn't realize you were so easily butthurt.

Asking once is fine. Asking repeatedly, being given an answer, then asking again, then being told that the answer should be sufficient, then asking again, then being told to stop asking again, then asking again - THAT counts as harassment (and not "butthurt").

Cluny has mentioned his being named in a lawsuit over this many times on these blogs.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/16


Cluny OB-GYN or Family doctor never used anything but the word miscarriage in this part of the country. As I said I found miscarriage in a Medical Dictionary. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/21/16


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\\It seemed as if you were trying to equate abortion to miscarriages by calling miscarriages "spontaneous abortion".\\

Most adults prefer to have medical issues discussed using medical terms. "Miscarriage" is not a medical term. "Spontaneous abortion," the term used by OB-GYN and the health-care workers generally IS a medical term.

Now, why don't you answer MY question about why you support physician assisted suicide? This is my second time of asking.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16


Cluny, so now I'm persecuting you by asking you to answer a simple question? Sorry, didn't realize you were so easily butthurt. Thank you for answering my question after the second time I asked. I wanted to know where you stood on legalized abortion. Anyone can pray, but taking action and making a stand show devotion. It seemed as if you were trying to equate abortion to miscarriages by calling miscarriages "spontaneous abortion". Of course, the abrupt end of any process is technically called an abortion. The end of a missile launch sequence is called an abortion. But in real life use, the term "abortion" is the intentionally and deliberate ending of an unborn human baby.
---Jed on 1/20/16


Jed:

You wrote: I would criticize them as well. But, as far as I can tell, only you and StrongAxe have tried to downplay the horrific evil that is abortion.

Why are you OBSESSED with what people on these blogs believe about things, and then condemn them if they are even one iota less obsessed about them than you are? I understand that abortion happens to be a particular windmill you love to tilt at, but why must you condemn everyone else who doesn't feel as passionately about it as you do? It may happen to be your calling. Good for you. I respect that. It doesn't happen to be mine. Please do me the same courtesy.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16


Jed (talking to Cluny) said, " Do you believe abortion should be legal? I don't care about your church. I am asking for YOUR personal stance."

As a Catholic, my only option is to condemn abortion. As a personal belief, God's Word says "thou shalt not kill," which means that I cannot, in any way say that abortion is good. It is evil.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/20/16


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Jed, why do you support physician-assisted suicide?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16


\\ Do you believe abortion should be legal?\\

I was named in a $39 million lawsuit for praying silently across the street from the abortion mills. Was it because I wanted abortion to remain legal?

Of course, I don't think abortion should be legal.

Why are you persecuting me, Jed?

And why are you now accusing me of "downplaying the evil of abortion", when I have never expressed approval of it in any way.

As for jerry and Samuel, as long as they are SDA, they are supporting the pro-choice position.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/16


Cluny you said miscarriage isn't a Medical term but I found it under Medical Definitions . It said it is the inadvertent loss of a fetus before it is viable. That's usually before 20 or 24 weeks. After 24 weeks it is considered a stillbirth. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/20/16


You didn't answer the question, Cluny. Do you believe abortion should be legal? I don't care about your church. I am asking for YOUR personal stance. It does not appear Jerry or Samuel support legalized abortion from their responses. If they do then, yes, I would criticize them as well. But, as far as I can tell, only you and StrongAxe have tried to downplay the horrific evil that is abortion.
---Jed on 1/20/16


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\\Cluny, are you trying to equate abortion to miscarriages?\\

Miscarriage is not a medical term.

Properly, these are called "spontaneous abortions."

You don't seem to be able to grasp this simple fact.

Why?

And are you going to criticize jerry and Samuel for being members of the pro-choice SDA church?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/16


Cluny, are you trying to equate abortion to miscarriages? I should sure hope not. Regardless of what you want to call it, the intent defines murder. The difference between murder and death is that one is an intentional and deliberate act while the other is for unavoidable and out of our control.

Please tell us, Cluny, do you think abortion should be legal?
---Jed on 1/19/16


Jed, I don't know why you're obsessed with this issue.

But since the SDA Church allows elective abortions, why don't you attack jerry and Samuelbb7?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/16


Cluny you are right about miscarriage being call spontaneous abortion but I looked it up and they did say most now use the word for induced abortions. Since the miscarriages have the pains like birth I would call just call them premature birth because abortion has such a bad connotation. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/19/16


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If a person kills a woman they are charged with murder.

If a person kills a woman who is pregnant, they are charged with two counts of murder.

Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics receive money from the Government to commit murder.
---Rob on 1/19/16


\\In the past some mothers have died after being told that she must continue through labour even though the child is already dead or severely damaged and that doctors have said that the birth would kill the mother.\\

"Severely damaged" means the baby is still alive. Hence this would be an induced abortion. (A miscarriage is medically called a "spontaneous abortion.")

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/16


When the Baby is dead it is no longer an abortion for that is done on the living baby. With the baby dead it becomes simply a Medical Procedure,probably a D N C which cleans out the womb. If a woman didn't have a procedure like that done she would probably get an infection from the dead baby and it would then be a life or death struggle. I miscarried my third child at about 2 months along and didn't go to the doctor to have any residue removed,I got an infection and it was in the tubes,and medicine wasn't helping,I wound up having a D N C which didn't help so my tubes had to be removed at 22 years old. It can be very serious. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/18/16



In the past some mothers have died after being told that she must continue through labour even though the child is already dead or severely damaged and that doctors have said that the birth would kill the mother.

I'm not sure if it would be considered an abortion if a dead child were to be removed to save the life of the mother.

Does anyone have thoughts and opinions of that scenario?
---Rita_H on 1/17/16


Rita H, what you are describing is called a miscarriage. Completely different than an abortion.
---Jed on 1/18/16


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\\"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord!... And then will I declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of evil."
---Jed on 1/15/16
\\

Do you ever apply these verses to yourself, Jed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/16/16


Of course. Do you see me trying to make excuses for supporting abortion?
---Jed on 1/17/16


Hi Cluny,

First, sorry to here of your failing health I do hope it is something that can be corrected.

Have you read Matt 7:

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
---john9346 on 1/17/16


In the past some mothers have died after being told that she must continue through labour even though the child is already dead or severely damaged and that doctors have said that the birth would kill the mother.

I'm not sure if it would be considered an abortion if a dead child were to be removed to save the life of the mother.

Does anyone have thoughts and opinions of that scenario?
---Rita_H on 1/17/16


\\"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord!... And then will I declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of evil."
---Jed on 1/15/16
\\

Do you ever apply these verses to yourself, Jed?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/16


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My understanding of what makes a person a Christian is how he answers the Savior's question, "Who do you say I am?" not "What do you think about abortion."

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/15/16


Then your understanding is severely lacking. Even the demons in hell know He is God, and tremble. A Christian is a follower of Christ, not merely one who knows about Him.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord!... And then will I declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of evil."
---Jed on 1/15/16


Pray for Arizona. A "Death with Dignity" bill has been introduced.

As we know, the "Right to Die" will become the "Duty to Die," and then the "Right to Kill the Sick."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/16



john9346: My understanding of what makes a person a Christian is how he answers the Savior's question, "Who do you say I am?" not "What do you think about abortion."

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/15/16


Then your understanding is very lacking. Even the demons in hell know He is God.
---Jed on 1/15/16


Jed: I vote for pro-life candidates. Lack of transportation and failing health keeps me from being as active in pro-life causes as I was in the past.

john9346: My understanding of what makes a person a Christian is how he answers the Savior's question, "Who do you say I am?" not "What do you think about abortion."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/16


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What are you personally doing to stop abortion, Jed?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!

---Cluny on 1/14/16


I just answered that question for you on the last blog, Cluny. I do pretty much everything I think I can. If you have any further suggestions, I would like to hear them. I would also like to know what you are doing to stop abortion. Not what you HAVE done in past decades, but what you are doing now? Do you vote?
---Jed on 1/15/16


Jed ask, "Can a Christian be neutral on the subject of legalized abortion? If you advocate keeping abortion legal, doesn't that make you an abortion supporter?"

The fact of the matter is if someone is neutral on abortion then they are not a Christian.
---john9346 on 1/15/16


What are you personally doing to stop abortion, Jed?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


Cluny, if that woman supported abortion being legal, then she is no better than those getting the abortion, as she herself is part of the problem. That just makes her a hypocrite Cluny.

And, only a person who does not view the unborn baby as a living human life could take such a stance. And again, that makes them part of the problem. As that is the narrative of abortion supporters.

You can't be pro-choice, and say you stand against abortion. That makes you either a hypocrite, or seriously mentally confused on the level of a schizophrenic.
---Jed on 1/14/16


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I knew a woman who felt abortion should be legal--but not an entitlement.

She also said that if she had a friend who was considering abortion, she would walk with her to the very doors of the clinic begging her not to have one, and would help her put her life back together afterwards.

Where does she fit on your spectrum, Jed?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/16


A true Christian absolutely cannot be neutral when it concerns the issue of Abortion!

Would have any follower of Almighty GOD, from the Old Testament, been "neutral" concerning people sacrificing their babies to Molech?

Setting their newly born babies into the heated-by-fire hands of the statue of Molech, burning them alive?

Would an Old Testament Saint be okay with that?

It is no different than burning alive an unborn infant with saline solution. Much less cutting their little heads and limbs off.

What Satanic foolishness!
---Gordon on 1/14/16


No you can not be neutral about abortion. The Bible says thou shalt not kill,some say it should have been translated murder and there is no greater murder than killing helpless children. There is nothing more helpless than an unborn baby and yes it is a baby from the time it is conceived. Jesus was the Son of God from the time He began to form in His mother's womb,babies now are no less a human than he was when they are first formed. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/14/16


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