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Videos Don't Lie

I came across an article and video from April 27, 2014 were pope francis declared Lucifer is the creator of the world, the Father of Christ, and the one the Catholic church worships. The pope said Jesus is just a man, and co-mediator with mother Mary between God and man. Videos don't lie.

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I found this:

In ecclesiastical Latin Lucifer does not mean exclusively Satan. At times it means simply the light-bringer or morning star. [See 2 Pet 2:19 and Rev. 22:16.]

In the liturgy of Holy Saturday, in the Exultet, the Church also gives this title to the Savior. She wishes that the rising Lucifer (Our Lord) finds the clergy lit: this Lucifer Who does not know decline, and Who, coming back from Hell, shines His pure light over mankind. (Dictionnaire de Thologie Catholique, Tables, entry Lucifer) ...

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/16


Good point Strong Ax. Had not thought of that. Thank you.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/16


Samuelbb7:

The video probably captured the Pope's actual words, but its conclusions are incorrect. As I said in my previous post, the Latin "lucifer" means "light-bearer". The Devil was called "Lucifer" because he was an "angel of light", and was originally a good guy. He only became Satan AFTER he fell, and lost the right to the name "light bearer", and instead became the Prince of Darkness. Nevertheless, he has tainted the name, just as the Nazis tainted the swastika, which was originally a positive symbol, and British King John was so corrupt, he tainted that name so it is forbidden for anyone in the royal line of succession to be named John, lest there ever be a King John II.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/16


I agree with Monk Brendan. Videos do lie all the time. I can believe there is a video that make these false charges.

I have respect for this Pope. I don't agree with much the RCC teaches. But I am not going to spread lies or make up false accusations against them either. There are and have been many good Christians in the RCC.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/27/16


Rob, you say that videos don't lie. Yet there are thousands of videos made each day that lie. For instance--The daily soap operas, the talking kitty videos, and so on.

Then there are videos that talk about a Flat Earth, the lies that NASA has foisted upon us for decades, and so on.

Videos DO lie.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/27/16




God looks at the SON of man as a whole (a masculine reference means that "SON" is the male...created manKIND.

The son of man is every human being, but the son of PERDITION is the offspring of LIES.

The popular/traditional TEACHINGS are not THE GENUINE and accurate truth that God wants us to know. The powers of darkness have been able for centuries to enlist the cooperation of man (the "FLESH" and therefore many intentional lies have been used to keep us enslaved to the moneychanger empire that Jesus had to chase out of the temple (that achievement was only temporary).

The "MAN" that Rev. 13 (666) is referrting to is also the man of lawlessness.

Verses referred to are from the RSV.
---faithforfaith on 1/26/16


I found references in question by googling: April 27 2014 vatican lucifer
From the many explanations about this, this is what seems to be happening:

English "lucifer" means "light-bearer", and was used for candle-holders long ago. It comes from Latin. Our name "Lucifer" (Satan), was used in the Vulgate of Isaiah 14:12, meaning "how are you fallen from heaven, oh morning star", but KJV writes "O Lucifer", changing it into a proper name.

The Pope used the Latin "lucifer" for "light bearer", which makes sense in this context, while Satan absolutely does not.

Remember, the same words morning star in the above verse are also used of Jesus in Revelation.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/16


Videos don't lie???

Rob, how old are you?

So the DVD videos of movies of Star Trek are real to you?

You believe human beings have traveled from plant to plant since the late 1960's???

Why not? There are thousands of collections of these videos.
A big video of another called Star Wars that just came out a month ago.

Are you sure it was Pope Francis are a man that looks so much like Pope Francis, someone paid him to pretend to be Pope Francis???

Ever heard of the statement:
You have a twin somewhere on this earth.

You are too old to have someone explain to you that Videos DO LIE AND HAVE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/24/16


\\Especially considering your theology is more based upon man-made traditions and folklore, rather than the Word of God, which is the Bible.\\

And just who do you think God used to put the Bible together?

It wasn't YOUR church, Jed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/16



Unless you are Orthodox, faithforfaith, your church likewise is the church of MAN.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 1/22/16


Well, that's a rather inflammatory and ignorant statement. Especially considering your theology is more based upon man-made traditions and folklore, rather than the Word of God, which is the Bible.
---Jed on 1/24/16




Unless you are Orthodox, faithforfaith, your church likewise is the church of MAN.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/16


faithforfaith:

You wrote: 666 and the "son of" perdition (all of the lies and heretical teachings of man) and the "man of lawlessness" (all who ignore the "PERFECT LAW") is the same identity (that is the church of MAN).

Revelation says "number of the Beast" and "number of a man" - NOT "CHURCH of man". Of course Catcholic-hating Protestants easily buy into the theory that the Catholic church is the Beast (and various other religious groups have their own candidate-they-hate that they paint as the Beast), but all of these are reading between the lines, inserting their own bias into the Word of God, something Revelation specifically warns us NOT to do.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/16


Real "TRUTH" is not a thing that humanity wants to accept, but it is up to you yourself whether you are truly dedicated to it and will accept it or REFUSE it.

2 Thess. 2 says that IN ORDER TO BE SAVED you have to LOVE the truth.

The truth is that 666 and the "son of" perdition (all of the lies and heretical teachings of man) and the "man of lawlessness" (all who ignore the "PERFECT LAW") is the same identity (that is the church of MAN).

Rev 19:13 he is called is The Word of God.

JESUS Himself is "THE WORD OF GOD" (we read the word of TRUTH).

The Pope is revealing that he and the Vatican are "the church of MAN".
---faithforfaith on 1/22/16


Recordings can be doctored. This can usually be detected by experts, but most people who click on a web video link don't have that kind of technology.

Years ago, I heard a joke recording some radio person made that made ultra-right-wing commentator Rush Limbaugh sound like an ultra-left-wing commentator, using only his own words suitably re-arranged.

If any pope made comments like the ones you mentioned, there would surely be very heated discussions about it on every religious news and discussion board. Lack of such discussion would tell volumes about the credibility of such a video.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/16


Rob no perhaps video's don't lie but sadly people will and easily can if they know anything about taking pieces and making a whole,I think in pictures it's called photo shop pictures. My Psychology Teacher said never believe anything you hear and only part of what you see. That's very good advice and a good guideline for things you see that you don't know where they originated. Think about this no man with a tiny bit of smarts would lay his beliefs out like that when they would mostly hurt him. It seems possible the video was false and meant to hurt the Roman Catholic Church. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/19/16


Altered videos can and do lie. So do captions and subtitles.

Where did he say this?

In what language was he speaking?

How can this be verified?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/16


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I did some checking on the site I think you got this from.

They also say that 9/11 tragedy was an Anglo-American black ops done in concert with Israel.

They also claim to have alien skulls.

Consider the reliability of the source where you found this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/16


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