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Language Of The Bible

About the Bible: If God wrote it all down, what language did He use to write it? If He was dictating to the writers, what happened if they made a mistake, or ran out of parchment or ink?

Why is it necessary to salvation that God dictated the Bible, word for word?

Monk Brendan

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Three cheers John9346 for your sound & solid Bible accuracy. Of course when Jesus said, "Upon this rock (lower case) I will build my church...", He wasn't talking about Peter. He was referring fo the "rock solid" truth Peter had spoken by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 4/15/16


Monk Brendan along with the fact that in certain times there were up to three popes in the RCC at the same time.

You are ignoring the preschism church when all the Bishops in other areas were also popes and all were equal. The Supremacy of the one in Rome. Helped bring about the Great Schism. in 1054. The Orthodox have the equal right to claim as the RCC.

I will agree with your point that the Bible is not word for word from GOD. Men inspired by GOD used their words to show the truth. Which is why there are small differences in the way they talk and right. Also they wrote to different audiences.

There is a lot of evidence Jesus existed by the way. That helped me to believe that He was real.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/16


Brendan sir,

Things to note:

1. Not sure of your point because all during this time were Christians there were divers sects, but they all identified as Christians.

2. "Granted, we do not have any credible documentation that Jesus existed at all."

Sir, You are "In Serious Error." many sources outside of the bible that establishes Jesus was a real person.

3. Jesus did not choose Peter Matt 16:18 is referring to Peter's Faith not Peter himself,furthermore, Papal Primacy and Infallibility developed over time like all other RC and EO Dogmas.
---john9346 on 4/15/16


"The idea of the bodily assumption of Mary is first expressed in certain transitusnarratives of the fifth and sixth centuries."

(Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, pp. 209210)



"The first express witness in the West to a genuine assumption comes to us in an apocryphal Gospel, the Transitus Beatae Mariae of PseudoMelito"

(Juniper Carol, O.F.M. ed., Mariology, Vol. l (Milwaukee: Bruce, 1957), p. 149)

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---john on 4/15/16


Luke: Your comments (4/15) are absolutely correct. The RCC has it horribly twisted concerning the Holy Communion ~ about a life time virginity of Mary who didn't need to be saved ~ about pergatory & as the monk man recently stated about Jesus "choosing" Peter as the head of the Church in His absence, etc. Their belief system is a horribly deformed Frankenstein cadaver of false doctrines.
---Leon on 4/15/16




John 9346 said, "First, my point in raising the dogmas is this is how we can all know if the EOC and the RCC is the church of Acts 2."

Name another Christian Church that has been around since the time of Christ. Can you?

Granted, we do not have any credible documentation that Jesus existed at all. However, since this is an article of faith for most of us, than we can go on from there and look at documentation (starting in the Bible itself) that will show that Jesus chose Peter, and all the way from there to Pope Francis
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/16


There is a wiki that is Orthodox where those who wish may look up a summary of the Orthodox teaching of different ideas.

john9346, since the gnostics taught the human body, like all matter, was iredeemably evil, how could they have initiated the notion that the Virgin was assumed BODILY into heaven?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/15/16


Rob, I try not to discuss Marian doctrine here, other than to assert that the Virgin's Son is God Incarnate.

It's pointless to do so in front of people who don't believe He is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/14/16


Brendan sir,

First, my point in raising the dogmas is this is how we can all know if the EOC and the RCC is the church of Acts 2.

Sir, I appreciate your honesty, the dogmas of Mary didn't start until about 300 years or more after all the writings were concluded.

The dogmas about Mary were taught by gnostics not Christians.

See Assumption Posting.
---john9346 on 4/14/16


Everyone please note:

Brendan has honestly stated 2 facts that can not be denied historically:

1. The dogmas about Mary developed later after the close of the Scriptures.

2. He has stated that no church father ever taught or stated that they "Gave the world the bible." or "Gave the bible its authority."

Sir, I really do appreciate your honesty in being forthcoming on this topic.
---john on 4/14/16




Cluny, after rejecting the authority of God "the Bible" you now say:
"Luke, if you really believed that the Bible was the final authority, you would believe what it says about the bread and wine becoming the Body and Blood of Christ."

I do believe what the Bible says concerning the bread and the wine. The bread does not turn into the flesh of Christ, and neither does the wine turn into the blood of Christ. That is nonsense.
Also, The Bible no where tells us that Jesus other nature is a piece of bread.
Do you of all people tell others that Jesus other nature is a piece of bread? Jesus is the Son of God, yet He is also God, but He is not a piece of bread. Not now, not ever.
---Luke on 4/15/16


Cluny, what are the several reasons the orthodox do not accept the immaculate conception?
---Rob on 4/14/16


\\confession, penance, the Eukarist,\\

First off, the word is spelled Eucharist. (If you can't spell a word properly, there's a good chance you don't know its true meaning.)

And yes, the first century church taught these doctrines.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/14/16


John9346 said, "The church of Acts 2 did not teach or practice the following:

Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix."


Mary was still alive at the time of Acts 2--so none of the definitions of what Christians are supposed to believe about Mary had been developed.

I see you still like the shotgun approach. Pick ONE subject, start a new blog, and we can then discuss it. If, however, you or anyone else on these blogs tries to hijack you blog to talk about other supposed errors, then I will stop being as reasonable and ration as I am trying to be, and stoop to the same ad hominem attacks others use. Believe me, I don't want to do that.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/16


\\The authority you do not recognize, GOD gave to prophets, Christ and Apostles.\\

None of which are you, Trav.

john9346, do you know what the Roman Catholic church means by "Immaculate Conception" as Pius IX defined it? (Let me mention here that the Orthodox do not accept it for several reasons.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/13/16


Brendan, first, I appreciate you trying to retract the statement, "The church gave the world the bible.",, but Melkites/rcc are clear that they gave the world the bible.

The church of Acts 2 did not teach or practice the following:



Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia.


This church was not the EOC nor the RCC...

---john9346 on 4/13/16


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...Luke, YOU likewise do not believe that the Bible is the final authority.
I respectfully admonish others to do likewise.
---Cluny on 4/12/16

Your admonishment, is worthless, admitting to not being an authority even on anything scriptural so far is as weightless as the same amount of air.
The authority you do not recognize, GOD gave to prophets, Christ and Apostles. Who all agree...with each other. Their authorization, their witness from GOD, was/is sufficient...except to those who honor the doctrines of Men. A mark/sign that is easily recognized.
Mat_5:18 ... till all be fulfilled.
Mat_26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
---Trav on 4/13/16


\\Cluny, I do believe the Bible is final authority. My interpretation of it does not change the fact that the Bible is final authority. \\

Luke, if you really believed that the Bible was the final authority, you would believe what it says about the bread and wine becoming the Body and Blood of Christ.

But you reject it, and believe your own interpretation instead.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/13/16


John 9346 said, "Brendan, how wrong you are sir... not one church father ever taught or believed that they themselves, "Gave the world the bible." or "Gave the bible its authority."

Nor have I ever said that they did.

It was the First Church of Christians--the same Church that Jesus Christ founded on the Twelve, the same Church that the Holy Spirit came to (described in Acts 2.) This was the Church that had the authority to produce the Bible.

That same Church (unfortunately split into several parts) is today the Catholic Community of Churches, the Orthodox, and other Pre-Reformation Churches

That is where the authority came from.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/16


Brendan states, "But you seem to forget it did not float down from heaven, but was a compilations of many writers and scholars, done by the authority of the early, unified, Christian Church,"

Brendan, how wrong you are sir... not one church father ever taught or believed that they themselves, "Gave the world the bible." or "Gave the bible its authority."

You and cluny should really be ashamed of yourselves for misleading so many people and if these men were alive today they would label you both heretics for what you are doing.


These men never taught that they, "Gave the world the bible." or "Gave the bible its authority."
---john9346 on 4/13/16


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cluny said, "Your final authority is your understanding and interpretation of the Bible, which is not the same thing."

To correct you Irenaeus disagrees with you.

"Since, therefore, the entire Scriptures, the prophets and the Gospels, can be clearly, unambiguously, and harmoniously understood by all , although all do not believe them ... those persons will seem truly foolish who blind their eyes to such a clear demonstration, and will not behold the light of the announcement [made to them]...(Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 2, Chapter 27.2).

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---john on 4/13/16


Cluny, I do believe the Bible is final authority. My interpretation of it does not change the fact that the Bible is final authority.
The problem you and the Catholics have is that you know what it says, but you do not like what it says. So the leaders of your church and the Catholic church make new rules and you follow those rules even when they go opposite of what you know the Bible says. And even invent new traditions and then tell everyone the Bible talks about traditions, but your traditions are not in the Bible.
The worst is the worship of idols. When that happens Jesus take a back seat to all the idols. He is forgotten, and He is the only one who answers prayers.
---Luke on 4/13/16


... compilations of many writers and scholars, done by the authority of the early, unified, Christian Church, which still exists in the Catholic, Orthodox and other Pre-Reformation Churches.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/12/16

Political Prostitutes have no authority in scripture. Your scarlet brothel of many heads never had any authority. Nor does her mother...who was assembled by a pagan constantine.
You have no authority now. We do not recognize you. I do not recognize you by scripture or by mark. Your mark is division, which you achieve even here.
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.
---Trav on 4/13/16


\\Luke said, "The Word of God is final authority. But you do not believe that either.\\

Actually, Luke, YOU likewise do not believe that the Bible is the final authority.

Your final authority is your understanding and interpretation of the Bible, which is not the same thing.

Search your heart, and you will see that I am correct.

I respectfully admonish others to do likewise.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/16


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Luke said, "The Word of God is final authority. But you do not believe that either. What your pope says is final authority to you. And we know why it is that way. How can you possibly come out of that, to me, it will take a miracle, and God is the only one who makes miracles."

How wrong you are! I have always stated that the Bible is the ultimate authority. But you seem to forget it did not float down from heaven, but was a compilations of many writers and scholars, done by the authority of the early, unified, Christian Church, which still exists in the Catholic, Orthodox and other Pre-Reformation Churches.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/12/16


Leon said, "Who are you trying to kid Monk? You know God about as well as Donald Trump does. smh"

With all that shaking of your head, be sure it doesn't scramble your brains.

Leon, who made YOU the Chief Inquisitor? Who touched YOU with Chrism, anointed your brow, laid hands upon you and sent you forth with absolute knowledge of who is following God and who is not? Who gave YOU the charge of extracting confessions under pain of torment and torture?

You are a self anointed prophet with a following of one, YOURSELF!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/11/16


Isaiah_8:20 ...because there is no light in them. Trav

I agree with your points here.

I disagree about adding E.G. White to your list though. Scripture is above her writings.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16

Sam...the fact that you are forced to defend her...says too much about the reverence for her. She doesn't warrant any reference at all. She has never fulfilled/exampled anything scriptural other than than these scriptures below, divisions and false prophets.
1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak,...
1Co_14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
---Trav on 4/11/16


Who are you trying to kid Monk? You know God about as well as Donald Trump does. smh
---Leon on 4/11/16


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Monk, Leon is correct in what he says about what is taught in your church. I know you think it is a blessing but in fact it is a curse. The traditions you are so much in love with come from members of your church not from Scripture. But you believe it because you believe your traditions and the Bible are equal, so you can take your pick.
The Word of God is final authority. But you do not believe that either. What your pope says is final authority to you. And we know why it is that way. How can you possibly come out of that, to me, it will take a miracle, and God is the only one who makes miracles.
---Luke on 4/11/16


Leon said, "Excellent Luke! Unfortunately, people like Monk spend tbeir time studying the doctrines & traditions of men rather than the Word of God as recorded in the divinely inspired Bible. People like Monk have been indoctinated in error to the point where omprehending truth is as far from them as it was from the rich man in hell & the distance across the gulf from the sage words of Abraham."

Well, thank you Leon. And I must say that your divinely inspired Godly love of me is so apparent. But I will thank you for the blessing, and ask God to bless you too.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/10/16


Our number 18. Belief

The Scriptures testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church
and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide,comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all
teaching and experience must be tested.

Where does this say her words are above scripture? In fact they say Scripture is the standard. How about our belief number 1.

The Clear Word was published in 1994. I don't use it. So why do you use it as an attack? It is a paraphrase like the Living Bible by Baptist. So what?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/16


Samuelbb7 on 4/8/2016, you wrote, "I disagree about adding E.G.White to your list, though scripture is above her writtings, which I pointed out and the SDA Church teaches.

Samuel, based on Article 18 of the 27 Fundamental Beliefs of SDA, that is an outright lie.

Before you respond, remember when I was a teenager, my parents became SDA, so I do know from personal experience what the SDA believe and teach.

A perfect example is the clear word bible!!!
---Rob on 4/10/16


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Excellent Luke! Unfortunately, people like Monk spend tbeir time studying the doctrines & traditions of men rather than the Word of God as recorded in the divinely inspired Bible. People like Monk have been indoctinated in error to the point where omprehending truth is as far from them as it was from the rich man in hell & the distance across the gulf from the sage words of Abraham.
---Leon on 4/9/16


Monk, God did not write one word in the Bible. He inspired the writers to put down what He wanted them to put down. All Scripture is God-breathed. Had Scripture originated with man, then cultural conditioning and human error would certainly be a factor to be reckoned with however, Scripture affirms that "prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21). (God is not a man that He should lie) Numbers 23:19.
---Luke on 4/8/16


Isaiah_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Trav

I agree with your points here.

I disagree about adding E.G. White to your list though. Scripture is above her writings. Which I have pointed out and the SDA church teaches.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16


...And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone," Eph 2:20

apostles and prophets of today are subjected and are not above "The Authority of Scripture."
---john9346 on 2/25/16

Freeing us from tonsured monks, false priest/popes, joseph smiths, ewhites, jim jones, jim bakers, etc, etc, etc.
Jas_2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Trav on 4/7/16


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Brendan you said, "You obviously don't believe that the Bible is a compilation of different writers, in different cultures and using different languages, but that it came down complete, in a book,


Sir, Paul when referring to the Scriptures said that the Scriptures are, "Theopneustos."

Have you had a chance to study this word yest sir?
---john9346 on 4/7/16


Brendan you said, "I never said Joseph Smith (or MBE or EGW were inspired!"

Sir, the very position you are holding to regarding the Scriptures is the same as EGW, MBE, and Joseph Smith.

You believe that your church, "Gave the world the bible." and that your church gave the bible its authority.

They believed this as well and their followers believe the same as you even today.

The problem for you and any catholic or orthodox is you will not find 1 church father who believe and taught such a belief.
---john on 4/7/16


Brendan,

Cyril of Jerusalem,


"This seal have thou ever on thy mind, which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." [

---
---john9346 on 4/7/16


I will pray for you Monk Brendan.

I don't trust Joseph Smith or the current Mormon prophets either.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/6/16


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John (No numbers) said, "Sir, have you studied the writings of Joseph Smith??

If you have tell me, how is his writings "Theopneustos."


I never said Joseph Smith (or MBE or EGW were inspired!

His writings are trash! If Joseph Smith had come to me soaking wet, with a wet umbrella, and I heard a thunderstorm going on, I would not believe him if he told me that it was raining.

Obviously, he is dead, so he can't, but if the President of the Mormons came to me under the same circumstances, I wouldn't believe him, either!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/3/16


Monk Brendan I always say about myself Satan must sure be afraid what I am going to do for God,it doesn't mean I'm right but it sure seems that way with all the pain I have. Bless your heart I'm sorry to hear about all you have wrong. I'll pray for you. I think for me the hardest person to have healing faith for is me.
---Darlene_1 on 2/27/16


Brendan, I was so sorry to read of your health problems. What a horrible combination of serious and painful issues. You are very much in my prayers at this time.
---Rita_H on 2/26/16


Brendan said, "
My health is rotten. I have diabetes, fibromyalgia, an intentional tremor that started in my right hand, has progressed into the left, and lately down my legs. I am seeing the doctor Monday to see if he has any insight.

Besides that, I have arthritis, high cholesterol, asthma, and more. In some weeks, I can go to a different doctor every day in the week."

Sir, my heart is breaking for you as I read of your Health Challenges.

Though I cant even begin to imagine the pain of these Health Problems, please know I do care.


always in my thoughts and prayers,


John
---john9346 on 2/26/16


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John 9346 said, "If you don't mind me asking, how are you healthwise?

I did read where you said you bent down to pick up something and needed to call for help getting up."


My health is rotten. I have diabetes, fibromyalgia, an intentional tremor that started in my right hand, has progressed into the left, and lately down my legs. I am seeing the doctor Monday to see if he has any insight.

Besides that, I have arthritis, high cholesterol, asthma, and more. In some weeks, I can go to a different doctor every day in the week.

I need prayers.

Pray for me,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/25/16


Darlene states, "John with all respect for you but I must share that the Bible says a Prophet will be judged by a Prophet not the Bible."


First, please know the feelings of respect is mutual to you.

1 Thes 5:20, 1 Cor 4:6, Deut 13:1-5 do teach and instruct the judging of prophets and prophecies.

One vital thing to remember is this verse "20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone," Eph 2:20

apostles and prophets of today are subjected and are not above "The Authority of Scripture."
---john9346 on 2/25/16


John with all respect for you but I must share that the Bible says a Prophet will be judged by a Prophet not the Bible although if he or she doesn't line up with the Bible it's like someone poured ice water over me,it quenches the Spirit of God's operation through them. There are different kinds of prophecy and foretelling is just one,it can also be a warning to prepare.
---Darlene_1 on 2/24/16


Brendan said, "Sir, I enjoy the interchange we have going on here, and I respect you. I don't always agree with you, but I have come to respect you."

Sir, Please know and never forget that the feeling is mutual, a person can disagree and not have to destroy another person. I respect the fact that you can respectfully disagree and I appreciate it.

If you don't mind me asking, how are you healthwise?

I did read where you said you bent down to pick up something and needed to call for help getting up.
---john9346 on 2/24/16


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Brendan asked, "Are you saying that you believe that there are portions of the Bible that are NOT infallible? How did this happen? Did God make a mistake?"

No, I am saying that the Gift of Prophecy in 1 Cor 14:32 is subjected to fallibility. This is why Paul had to instruct this church (Corinth) on how to implement order and unity.

You see, the Gift of Prophecy is always to be judged by the bible (Infallibility and the standard) never the other way around.

The Gift of prophecy in churches today is not, "Infallible Revelation." because there is no more "Revelation." being given today.

"Pheopneustos." is also evidence that the cannon is closed.
---john on 2/24/16


Leon said, " He has allowed us to know & use languages so that we can communicate "His will" to one another."

And God can't communicate that directly to us?

Rom 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/22/16


Monk: God's primary language is "STORY". God speaks to us in "stories". His Bible is full of stories that are interwoven into His greatest story about Jesus (His Son) & the salvation of mankind. His story is a conjoining composite made from numerous world languages. He has allowed us to know & use languages so that we can communicate "His will" to one another.

???About the Bible: If God wrote it all down, what language did He use to write it? If He was dictating to the writers, what happened if they made a mistake, or ran out of parchment or ink? Why is it necessary to salvation that God dictated the Bible, word for word? Monk Brendan???

Don't be silly Monk. smh
---Leon on 2/21/16


John 9346 said, "1 Cor 14:32 is the Gift of Prophecy which is fallible this is why Paul had to instruct the church of Corinth.

Please understand 1 Cor 14:32 is not giving Infallible Revelation."


Are you saying that you believe that there are portions of the Bible that are NOT infallible? How did this happen? Did God make a mistake?

Sir, I enjoy the interchange we have going on here, and I respect you. I don't always agree with you, but I have come to respect you.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/19/16


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Monk brendan, "the mind, will and emotion" of the prophet, as an inspired speaker, is submitted, by Father's grace, to Him. What the prophet controls is his attitude and mental disposition towards Him, and His instructions.
---joseph on 2/17/16


Brendan said, "Sir, I disagree. As I have said before, (1 Cor 14:32 KJV) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."

Brendan sir, listen very carefully.

1. You are confusing 2 different things.

2. "Theopneustos." was a 1-time Infallible Event super naturally done by God when he gave us his Word "The bible."

3. 1 Cor 14:32 is the Gift of Prophecy which is fallible this is why Paul had to instruct the church of Corinth.

Please understand 1 Cor 14:32 is not giving Infallible Revelation.

Hope this give you clarity.
---john9346 on 2/17/16


\\They to didn't believe God dictated his word to the apostles and prophets.\\

God dictated His WORD or His WORDS?

There's a difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/16/16


What I am trying to get across is that prophesying is under control of the prophet. For instance, God gives a prophecy to a prophet in the morning service at an evangelical church.

Instead of interrupting the pastor while he is delivering the sermon, the prophet waits until after the servant, and talks to the pastor about it. If both the prophet and pastor agree that this is a word from God, then the prophet will be given the time to speak out the message given to him.

This requires some ability to listen to God, edit what He is saying, and deliver a firm message.

This cannot happen if God takes over the prophet's mind, will and emotion.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/16/16


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Brendan,

I do want to inform you that EGW, Joseph Smith, and Mary Baker Eddy all believed that the bible was not, "Theopneustos."

They to didn't believe God dictated his word to the apostles and prophets.

"liberals." also believe this as well regarding the bible.
---john9346 on 2/16/16


John 9346 said, "If you honestly study the word, "Theopneustos." it does indeed mean God dictated to the apostles and prophets what he wanted them to write."

Sir, I disagree. As I have said before, (1 Cor 14:32 KJV) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

Now if the prophet is not in control of the spirit of the profit, that means that God took over his will, which He will never do.

God has given us free will, and He will never use us without our permission.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/16/16


\\Tell us what are the languages of the bible?
---john9346 on 2/14/16\\

My understanding is that the original mss were in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

I have recently heard of a variety of Koine used by Jews of the Diaspora at the time of the NT. This might have had some use in the NT.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/15/16


Brendan said, "God-breathed is the correct translation, but I think that some of the people on these blogs is that inspired means God did some sort of a data dump to the prophet or writer."




Sir really? with the Multiple Greek Dictionaries made available to you and anyone else??

If you honestly study the word, "Theopneustos." it does indeed mean God dictated to the apostles and prophets what he wanted them to write.

Why not let Paul tell you what he meant 2 Tim 3:16.
---john9346 on 2/15/16


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Brendan said, "
By no means am I saying in any way that Joseph Smith was inspired by God. Rather, I was pointing out that JS & BOM were of the same quality as the writings of EGW

Joseph Smith also had interviews with an angel, who showed him where those plates of gold were, and how to interpret them, using the Urim and Thummin."

This is astounding because none of these writings can even begin to be believable...

They all contradict and factually and historically they have all been prooven false.

This can never be said of the Holy Scriptures which have stood the Test of Time, "Again and again."

Sir, give me one false prophecy and a none Historical Fact stated in Scripture?
---john on 2/15/16


John said, "Sir, have you studied the writings of Joseph Smith??

If you have tell me, how is his writings "Theopneustos."


By no means am I saying in any way that Joseph Smith was inspired by God. Rather, I was pointing out that JS & BOM were of the same quality as the writings of EGW

Joseph Smith also had interviews with an angel, who showed him where those plates of gold were, and how to interpret them, using the Urim and Thummin.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/14/16


Cluny,

Tell us what are the languages of the bible?
---john9346 on 2/14/16


Brendan said, "
I did not nor have I ever said that the Bible was not inspired. I just find it hard to believe that God spent all that time dictating to the writers. Sounds a bit too much of Joseph Smith."

Sir, have you studied the writings of Joseph Smith??

If you have tell me, how is his writings "Theopneustos."
---john on 2/14/16


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John 9346 said, "First, it is questionable as to why you are using a english dictionary to understand a Greek Word."

Because I do not understand Greek. Therefore, I have to translate to English before I can start finding out the meaning.

Theo means God. Pneus has something to do with breathing, or breath, or messages pushed through a tube by air pressure. (Pneumatic tube) Now I don't know about any heavenly pneumatic tubes, so I think we can disregard that meaning. God-breathed is the correct translation, but I think that some of the people on these blogs is that inspired means God did some sort of a data dump to the prophet or writer.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/14/16


\\If God had breathed in to "Human Words."\\

You don't actually think that Biblical Hebrew and Greek are God's mother tongues, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/16


Brendan said, "Webster's defines inspiration as: "a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation."

First, it is questionable as to why you are using a english dictionary to understand a Greek Word.

Theopneustos means God-breathed or breathed-out-by God.

If God had breathed in to "Human Words." as it seems you are stating Paul would have used a different word.

Sir, if you will truly study this word, it speaks of the very, "Activity of God in dictating his word to man."
---john9346 on 2/12/16


monk: "Hoist on your own petard! Jerry, you and others have been telling me that I have to rely on my own private interpretation to find what God is trying to tell me."

I have never told you any such thing. I have told you that the Bible is its own interpreter.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:



---jerry6593 on 2/12/16


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John 9346 said, "...the word, "Theopneustos." meaning inspiration does not come from God. It is the "Very Act of God...."

I am sorry to disagree, but the KJV says 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable ...

Given by inspiration of God is not the same as the Very Act of God. Otherwise, Mary would have been Theopneustos to bring Jesus into the world, which is not the same thing.

Webster's defines inspiration as: "a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation." It is not a hostile takeover of the prophet's will. It is the prophet, cooperating with God to write what God wants to say.
---Monk_Brendan on 2/11/16


Brendan said, "
Yes! Inspiration comes from God, but God works through the free will of mankind. He will not grab some poor Joe off the street and pour into him the message from on high. If Joe is not willing, and says NO to God, then--unless God has other plans Joe might not be aware of, God will move along and talk to someone else."

Brendan, the word, "Theopneustos." meaning inspiration does not come from God. It is the "Very Act of God." in God working through the 40 men he selected to write the bible.
---john9346 on 2/11/16


Jerry said, "2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

Hoist on your own petard! Jerry, you and others have been telling me that I have to rely on my own private interpretation to find what God is trying to tell me. Now you are telling me that there is no such thing as private interpretation.

Which is it? Remember your fellow Protestants who have been shouting all along that I have to ask God for a private Word.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/10/16


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


---jerry6593 on 2/10/16


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Monk Brendan, my apologies for misspelling your name, it wasn't intentional.
---Josef on 2/10/16


John 9346 said, "
Sir, tell me, what is your understanding of inspiration?

It seems you think that inspiration depended on the authors, but inspiration depended on "God."


Yes! Inspiration comes from God, but God works through the free will of mankind. He will not grab some poor Joe off the street and pour into him the message from on high. If Joe is not willing, and says NO to God, then--unless God has other plans Joe might not be aware of, God will move along and talk to someone else.

A caveat--Don't quote Jonah at me, as God obviously had more in store for Jonah.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/10/16


Monk Brendon according to scripture only the ten commandments was actually written by Him. For "when He finished speaking with Moses on Mount Sinai, He gave him the two tablets of the testimony, stone tablets inscribed by the finger of God." Exo 31:18 Obviously written in a language that Moses could both read and understand. However, It is written that "all scripture is given by inspiration of God," and I believe He insured the accuracy of that which He inspired. "Why is it necessary to salvation that God dictated the Bible, word for word? It isn't, His inspiration was more than sufficient. Just as His inspiration, is sufficient for our understanding of that which He inspires.
---Josef on 2/10/16


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