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\\Most do not carry a Bible,\\

Why should they? It's nowhere commanded in the Bible.

Or do you think that Christians in the Apostolic age carried around big handwritten scrolls and codices all the time?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/16


\\And no shrine for Jesus.\\

I guess you've never heard of the ordinary parish church. Each one is a shrine for Jesus.

How about Holy Sepulchre, Church of the Holy Nativity, Church of the Transfiguration, and similar sites in the Holy Land built where the events of the Gospels took place?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/16


\\The reason they have only a few people they call saints is because those people did some kind of works to be call saints. \\

A little boy once sat in church fascinated by the depictions of holy angels and heroes of the faith. His mother told him that they were saints.

When his Sunday School teacher asked the class what a saint was, he answered, "A saint is someone who lets the light shine through."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/16


Monk, you said:
"Jesus is the reason that we can honor the saints."

Monk, in Scripture Christians are call saints. We were never told to honor saints. Second, you seem to not know that in every country where Catholics worship, they worship saints. People who did something over and above others. For a long time in Christianet, Catholics have been saying they do not worship saints. I was a Catholic, and every Catholic I know bend their knees to those saints and worship them and ask them for miracles. I have been to many shrines. And no shrine for Jesus. All candles lighted for the saints as a token of their faith in the saint. Worship is worship no matter how anyone wants to change the word worship.
---Luke on 3/3/16


Luke said, "The worst part is the worship of idols, saints and Mary...Jesus is far from their hearts when they need a miracle. He is behind all others. They have shrines for all saints where people go there and worship the idols. There is no shrine for Christ. It should be the biggest one and there is none to be found."

Luke, just because there are statues of Mary and the saints does not mean we worship them. We honor them as great heroes in the faith. But the honor that we bestow on them goes to the hero, and not the statue.

Jesus is the reason that we can honor the saints.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/3/16




Luke said, "If they teach the Sovereignty of God then I will stay."

Amen brother...

I stand with Spurgeon when he said, "Calvenism is the gospel, and nothing else."
---john9346 on 3/3/16


Agreed Luke we are under grace not law. But the law has a purpose to define sin. Read 1 John.

Sovereignty of GOD can mean you believe in Predestination. Is that true.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/16


Samuel, you say:
"You have the advantage on me. I don't know your denomination."

I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. It matter not what denomination I might go, what I check is their teachings. If they are bad I get out as fast as I can. Denominations mean nothing, what matters is what they teach. If they teach the Sovereignty of God then I will stay. Every denomination is divided. Different kinds of SDA's, Catholics, Baptist, Pentecostals, but the main thing is what do they teach. If they teach salvation by works, then they are blind. If they worship idols, we should get as far away as possible. If they are under the law, I want no part of them, because those in Christ are not under the law but under grace.
---Luke on 3/3/16


So, john, why don't you accept what St. Athanasius and St. Ireneus said about the Eucharist, apostolic bishops, and the like, too?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/16

I do I just let them define their own terms instead of reading 2016 terminology back in to a Second-third Century Context.
---john9346 on 3/2/16


Samuel, you say:
"But not all of those who are Catholic understand or believe that."

Most Catholics do not even know what they believe, oh they know they are Catholic and follow their church. Most do not carry a Bible, or study the Scriptures. Some here do study, but they are few and far between. They are blind.
The worst part is the worship of idols, saints and Mary. The very thing that Israel always went back to. Jesus is far from their hearts when they need a miracle. He is behind all others. They have shrines for all saints where people go there and worship the idols. There is no shrine for Christ. It should be the biggest one and there is none to be found.
---Luke on 3/2/16




\\In the RCC and Orthodox there are legalistic people who teach salvation by works. It is also written by some of their leaders and popes\\

I've certainly never met any Orthodox who believed that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/2/16


Hello Luke I see you have not read much of many Christian Catholic writers or much of what we write.

True we are all called to be saints and nothing we do makes us saints. We are as you say by the Grace of GOD alone.

Also amen Salvation is of the LORD.

In the RCC and Orthodox there are legalistic people who teach salvation by works. It is also written by some of their leaders and popes. But not all of those who are Catholic understand or believe that. Nor have all RCC members taught it.

You have the advantage on me. I don't know your denomination.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/2/16


Samuel, if anyone of the Catholics believed in Salvation by Grace they would not belong to the Catholic faith. Their salvation is by works just like your church. So I understand how you can agree with many of their doctrines.
Second, all believers are saints. The reason they have only a few people they call saints is because those people did some kind of works to be call saints. We become saint by the grace of God not by anything we do. Salvation is of the Lord for the Lord.
---Luke on 3/1/16


Luke said, "Their god is not God. They do not believe in the Father, since they do not believe in the trinity. Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father is a distinct Person."

You seem to have missed what I said after that: "Muslims believe none of these things!"

I would never compare Catholicism or Orthodoxy to Islam. Islam is a religion of hate.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/1/16


I have learned that both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox have variations of theology in their ranks. Which should not surprise me since there are variations of Seventh day Adventists in my denomination.

Many of the RCC and Ortodox do believe in Salvation by Grace. They just don't use the same words. But others do believe their words or the works of saints can save them. Each person must be asked what do they believe. There can be no blanket charge.

I disagree with many of their doctrines. But I have also read beautiful Christian words from the Catholic Saints.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/1/16


\\Both teach salvation by works, and both worship idols.\\

Wrong, Luke.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/26/16


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Cluny, both Catholicism and Orthodoxy are similar since they divorced from each other. Both teach salvation by works, and both worship idols. Only one has a pope the other doesn't. There are many kinds of Orthodoxy but they all are similar to each other. There is also a few different Catholics, They now have charasmatics. And neither one are similar to Islam. Their beliefs are very different.
---Luke on 2/26/16


Leon: I can always count on you to ignore the facts and start name calling.


---jerry6593 on 2/24/16


\\Monk, you say:
"Our beliefs are quite similar, including belief in the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible."

Their god is not God.\\

I think by "our beliefs," Monk Brendan was referring to Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

He was NOT considering Islam.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/16


Jeery: I can always depend on you to get the facts of the matter twisted. I suspect you do that on pupose. Afterall, surely, no one can be as ignorant as you show yourself to be.
---Leon on 2/23/16


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... Islam has given rise to Islamic fundamentalism and international terrorism.
---Luke on 2/23/16

He doesn't know scripture, Luke.
Islams heritage father was Ishmael. Ishmael's prophecy can be seen nightly on the News.
Gen_16:12 he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, every man's hand against him, he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called
Rom_9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom_9:9...word of promise, At this time will I come, Sara shall have a son.
---Trav on 2/23/16


Monk, you say:
"Our beliefs are quite similar, including belief in the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible."

Their god is not God. They do not believe in the Father, since they do not believe in the trinity. Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father is a distinct Person.
You also have to remember that Muhammad claims to have received visions from God, but the visions he received were not from our God, but from Satan the god of this world. Islam has given rise to Islamic fundamentalism and international terrorism.
---Luke on 2/23/16


Leon: The KKK, Southern segregation, Jim Crow Laws, etc. were all Democrat inventions. Aren't you glad you're a Democrat?



---jerry6593 on 2/23/16


Cluny wrote: I find Trump repulsive.

Matters of personal taste are fine for making decisions based on personal taste (e.g. voting), but not for making decisions in matters of law, doctrine, etc. (e.g. something should not be "inherently" illegal, just because I don't personally happen to like it.)

I find much more about Trump than personal taste that disqualifies him - his claiming to be a Christian, while being ignorant of its primary texts, and of the central teachings of Jesus are certainly telling. Furthermore, he lacks the humility to admit when he is wrong, while replacing replacing "Love your neighbor as yourself" by "Keep out the Mexicans and Muslims".
---StrongAxe on 2/20/16


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To answer Jerry's original question,

Our beliefs are quite similar, including belief in the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father,

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

Muslims believe none of these things!

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/20/16


Samuelbb7: I beg to differ with your assessment. The KKK came exclusively out of Southern Baptist congregations & they murdered untold numbers of African-Americans, etc. They are the original American home-grown terrorist who drive their agendas very similar to ISIS.
---Leon on 2/21/16


That's your problem, StrongAxe. You don't know what ex-communication means to the RCC.

That's is why you should never judge.

You been applying your interpretation of ex-communication wrongly.

Ex-communication means to separate one self from Christ.

There isn't an Ex-communication format for leaving the Catholic Church.
No one is kicked out of the Catholic Church.

Those who leave are called 'EX-Catholics.
Not ex-communicated Catholics.

Please don't spread your error to others.

Ex-communication ONLY applies to God. Not the Catholic Church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/16


\\As for the hate mongering ranter Trump. I am praying that too many do not fall to his brand of crazy. \\

I find Trump repulsive.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/16


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Good point Monk Brendan. Especially about the Illuminati.

Leon as a church the Southern Baptist have never murdered anyone. Members did join in the Civil War. But that was something different.

As for the hate mongering ranter Trump. I am praying that too many do not fall to his brand of crazy.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/19/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Google: "henry viii" excommunicated>.
One of the top articles is from Wikipedia: List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church. they list people from the first century, up to as recently as 2014.

Henry VIII of England in 1533, officially promulgated on 17 December 1538 by Pope Paul III.

No, he didn't excommunicate himself (as comfortingly like modern psychology as this sounds). The Pope did it.

No one can separate you from God except yourself.

True, but I wasn't talking about separation from God, but rather, excommunication - a rite of the church, which separates one from the church. The church is NOT God.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/16


Cluny quoted, and then said, "\\cluny: Orthodox and RC doctrine were one and the same for hundreds of years. What caused the breakup?\\
"Rome adding things, such as Filioque."


Come come Cluny, you and I both know that there is more to the schism of 1054 than Filioque.

The Emperor of New Rome (Byzantium) had delusions of adequacy, as you know. He was not willing to lift a finger to help Rome when they needed help against the Normans invading Italy.

You also know that it was the particular chemistry between the Roman legate Cardinal Humbert and Patriarch Michael who rubbed each other the wrong way that sparked the excommunications.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/18/16


I think Southern Baptist evangelicals are very similar to the Islamic radical group ISIS. Look at how they're flocking to & supporting the radically insane views of the false prophet, Donald Trump, without any sound evidence he's capable of delivering on the mind glazing hype he spews. They believe him because of what "HE PROMISES", not what he's really capable of delivering. Like ISIS, Southern Baptist evangelicals have been known to ( & may yet) mask their identities & murder people individually or en masse.
---Leon on 2/18/16


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\\cluny: Orthodox and RC doctrine were one and the same for hundreds of years. What caused the breakup?\\

Rome adding things, such as Filioque.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/18/16


John 1944 said, " I have read that both the Vatican and the Muslim religion are controlled by the Illuminati which are run by the Rothschilds. How about them apples?"

Crab apples are small and usually sour.

The Rothschilds are Jewish, the Illuminati don't exist, and both Catholics and Islam were around before them.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/18/16


StrongAxe, Technically YES. The Catholic does EVERYTHING TECHNICALLY!

You can still see Henry VIII bull of him excommunicating himself.

It is called taking personal responsibility.

Those so called Parishioners are lying to you.

ONLY persons with public INFLUENCE are OFFICIALLY notify WHY AND HOW their ACTIONS will excommunicated themselves.

Average Mary, Bob, John and Susie are reminded of what actions can excommunicated them through general announcements.

As I said before, the RCC teaches what action done by a person can cause themselves to be excommunicated.

The RCC doesn't even states who is in hell because She DOESN'T KNOW!

No one can separate you from God except yourself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/18/16


The Orthodox is not protestant.

One of the main understanding of Protestants is Sola Scriptora. That in all matters of faith and doctrine. The Bible is the supreme and final authority.

Again this blog is a false accusation. Both the Orthodox and RCC are Christian churches. I disagree with their teachings. But they are not Islamic.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/18/16


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cluny: Orthodox and RC doctrine were one and the same for hundreds of years. What caused the breakup?



---jerry6593 on 2/18/16


In the words of the Russian Orthodox theologian Khomiakov, "Protestantism was hatched from the egg that Rome laid.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/16


\\Same place you orthos got all your Catholic doctrines.\\

Roman Catholics got most of them from us.

\\BTW, do you consider the Orthodox Church to be the first Protestant Church\\

No, but you probably do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/16


cluny: "Where do you think the mahometans got them from? They didn't think it up by themselves."

Bingo!

Same place you orthos got all your Catholic doctrines.

BTW, do you consider the Orthodox Church to be the first Protestant Church?



---jerry6593 on 2/17/16


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I have read that both the Vatican and the Muslim religion are controlled by the Illuminati which are run by the Rothschilds. How about them apples?
---john1944 on 2/16/16


\\Oh yes, did I mention that both use prayer beads? How many similarities is that now?\\

Where do you think the mahometans got them from? They didn't think it up by themselves.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/16/16


\\Some leaders didn't. Which is why Bible conferences were called on the topic to resolve the conflict before we became a church. After studying the Bible they decided that the Trinity was true doctrine. \\

In other words, the SDA reinvented the wheel and refought Nicea 1.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/15/16


Nicole, you said:
"No one can separate you from God. Except yourself."

How can that possibly be? Jesus said "I will never leave you"
If He will never leave you that means He is always with you no matter what. You can try to leave as many times as you like but He will always be with you, for you and Him are one if you are save. If you are not save you are on your own. You can walk away from His teachings at any time you want.
---Luke on 2/16/16


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Oh yes, did I mention that both use prayer beads? How many similarities is that now?



---jerry6593 on 2/16/16


I looked it up SDA and Pilgrimage. An Adventist Pastor went with his Church group to Jerusalem.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Look up excommunication. It is from Canon law. There you will find how and why it can be done.

True Islam and SDA don't eat pork.

But the majority of Early SDA believed in the Trinity. Some leaders didn't. Which is why Bible conferences were called on the topic to resolve the conflict before we became a church. After studying the Bible they decided that the Trinity was true doctrine.

So the leaders who were wrong figured it out by studying the Bible with others.

Sounds like a good plan.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/15/16


BTW, jerry, most of the people mahometans killed for not submitting to them--and still kill--are Orthodox and Roman Catholics.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/15/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: the Vatican doesn't ex-communicate anyone.

Maybe not technically, but Bishops representing the vatican do. Google: bishop threaten excommunication. There are many stories about bishops who threaten to excommunicate parishioners who were members of certain groups (e.g. Planned Parenthood), or who vote for certain things (which is directly on point with what I was talking about).

Nebraska Bishop Fabian W. Bruskewitz in 1996, 3 Puerto Rican bishops in 1960, an Argentine bishop in 1994, Archbishop Fisichella in 2015, Poland in 2015. I had heard of others in the U.S. in recent years, but can't find the references.
---StrongAxe on 2/15/16


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There are ways in which SDA and Islam are similar.

Both consider eating pork a sin.

Both consider drinking alcoholic beverages a sin.

Islam does not accept Jesus as God Incarnate. The early leaders of SDA didn't, either.

Neither will publicly celebrate the Nativity according to the Flesh of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, or His holy Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/15/16


Jerry said, "No, I didn't forget. I never heard of it. I guess I didn't get the memo."

Just use your favorite search engine for SDA and pilgrimage.

But don't worry, this was back in January 14 - 23, 2007

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/15/16


monk: "You have obviously forgotten the 7th Day Adventist pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 2007."

No, I didn't forget. I never heard of it. I guess I didn't get the memo.
---jerry6593 on 2/15/16


\\Both systems have murdered millions for not bowing to their authority.\\

Jerry, please give the name of ONE person, as well as the date and place, whom the Orthodox Church murdered "for not bowing to its authority."

Bet you can't.

BTW, pilgrimages were never commanded in Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy. They were commanded of the Jews in the OT, and the pilgrimage to Mecca (which existed before the time of Mahomet) is also commanded in Mahometanism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/16


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StrongAxe, the Vatican doesn't ex-communicate anyone.

One ex-communicate oneself.

Nor does the Vatican tell a Politician they will ex-communicate him or her for supporting abortion.
But letting them know that supporting abortion is an ex-communicable offense.

A DIFFERENCE!

If you told me that killing someone can get me a death sentence.

I kill someone anyway and 2 years later a Judge sentenced me to death.

Did you sentence me to death?
No! Truly neither did the Judge.

I got it myself because I killed someone.

You were just being kind enough to WARN me of the consequences of killing someone.

No one can separate you from God. Except yourself.

Not even the Church
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/16


Jerry said, "
Oh, and did I leave out:
Salvation by works in penance.
Pilgrimages.
Relic adoration.
and I'm sure there are more."


Salvation comes by repenting, and accepting Jesus into your heart. The penance is usually counseling the priest gives the penitent about how to cooperate with Jesus.

On Pilgrimage, You have obviously forgotten the 7th Day Adventist pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 2007.

Yes, we do reverence relics, but we do not worship them.

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/13/16


\\And apparently God as well, since He wrote:

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God\\

And you think "keep holy" means "worship?"

That's projecting 19th century American Protestant ideas onto the Decalogue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/16


\\Sam: Sorry you hate this blog. It was a response to the constant SDA bashing we get from some here.
\\

Read any of jerry's posts, and you'll see who is bashing whom.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/16


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A similarity: Their followers are completely deceived because they have not the Spirit of Christ living inside their human bodies. Thus, they are not saved.

Rom 8:9 . . . if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The Spirit of Christ living inside His chosen will guide those chosen away from . . .

* the Pope (1. Jesus is the High Priest, 2. We children can go directly to our Father.)
** a congregation whose principle teacher is a woman (Women aren't permitted to teach. They are more easily deceived.)
*** a congregation whose patriarch was not chosen of God (1. Ishmael was not the son of promise and was sent away, 2. Ishmael's progeny reject the Word = Jesus (as God from Heaven).
---aservant on 2/13/16


Samuelbb7:

Very true.

I hate this topic. It's a false comparison. Then I see my church dragged in.

Unfortunately, all too many topics on these blogs are not posted to stimulate honest inquiry, but rather, to either push a specific agenda (by making assumptions that beg the question, so that no matter how anyone else answers, they prove the point), or they are deliberate traps specifically designed to trap certain people - like those the Pharisees set for Jesus.


Nicole_Lacey: How could any anti-abortion Protestants have had any effect at a conference sponsored by a country that FORCES its citizens to have abortions? There would have been no point in going.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/16


Remember this folks, United we stand, divided we fall. (Matthew 12:25)

Satan loves to divide the church. The church is not those who we judge to be the church, but those who believe Jesus Christ is the "Son of God". Notice the problems with the 7 Churches in (Revelation 2-3). And yet Jesus called them "The Church"

Last time I checked, Both Catholic and Protestants alike, believe Jesus is the Son of God.

Don't let Satan divide the church anymore than he already has.
---David on 2/13/16


\\I hate this topic. It's a false comparison. Then I see my church dragged in.\\

I understand your feelings, Samuel.

You are quite right: jerry mentioned only very superficial matters, some of which he was totally wrong about.

However, you have to admit that HE was the one who invited attack when he asked attack questions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/16


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Oh, and did I leave out:

Salvation by works in penance.

Pilgrimages.

Relic adoration.

and I'm sure there are more.




Monk: "Just a few deluded sects like SDA claim Saturday is the day of worship."

And apparently God as well, since He wrote:

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God

Sunday sacredness was borrowed from Roman Mithraism, and Friday worship (Islam) came from the moon god "Allah".



Sam: Sorry you hate this blog. It was a response to the constant SDA bashing we get from some here.

---jerry6593 on 2/13/16


I hate this topic. It's a false comparison. Then I see my church dragged in.

First as I had to explain to a Pentecostal student once. The Roman Catholic church is a Christian church. That also goes for the Orthodox.

The adherents of both worship Jesus as GOD. Which makes them Christian churches. I don't agree with many of their doctrines. But there can be and has been true Christians there.

Islam does not worship Jesus.

As far as how people dress. So what? That is an unimportant nothing point.

What matters is do we love each other as Christ loved us.

Read I Corinthians 13. Matthew 15. Remember the two great commandments Love GOD love others. Vitriolic attacks are not loving.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/12/16


jerry6593 wrote: Both worship on a false worship day.

Please explain on which day the Bible forbids us to worship (conflicting with "praise the Lord without ceasing").


Col 2:16 (ERV) So don't let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days).

Col 2:16 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
---aservant on 2/12/16


Thank you, Nicole. I forgot to mention that.

However, the SDA Church (to the sorrow of many of its adherents) is officially pro-choice.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/16


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Trav said, And you kneel before statues, popes and priest. Hmmm, sounds the same to me.
You whirl and twirl your meaningless title, robe, and scripturally un-supported logic and think you accomplish ....what?"


I kneel for no man or statue!

Nor do I whirl or twirl title, robe or logic. It's actually pretty difficult for me to do that. The other day I bent down to pick up a nickel, fell down, and had to shout for help.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/12/16


Well when First Lady Hillary and her daughter went to 'The Fourth World Conference on Women' (Really it was about how to kill MORE babies) in Beijing, China in 1995, only Islam stood on the side of Catholics/Orthodox against abortion.

No representative from the Protestant Churches showed up against the abortion.

Even James Dobson (Focus on the Family) was ashamed and publicly apologized on behalf of all Protestants of America for NOT speaking out against the conference.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/12/16


jerry6593 wrote: Both worship on a false worship day.

Please explain on which day the Bible forbids us to worship (conflicting with "praise the Lord without ceasing").


Cluny twice wrote: Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and Islam... SDA ...

Here, you show how much Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are like Islam, but SDA is not. This is actually proving his point.

Catholics do not believe in the unification of church and government

Yet, over the centuries, the Vatican has used threats of excommunication to exercise power over secular governments, and even today tells Catholic politicians what policies they must not endorse (e.g. abortion), on pain of excommunication.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/16


Answer: Like Islam, the Adventists follow the ravings of a deluded prophet who believed that angels were talking to her, but they were demons.
---Monk_Brendan on 2/10/16

And you kneel before statues, popes and priest. Hmmm, sounds the same to me.
You whirl and twirl your meaningless title, robe, and scripturally un-supported logic and think you accomplish ....what? You help no one including yourself.
Go away already.
Act_20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

---Trav on 2/12/16


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Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and Islam have daily services, though in Orthodoxy this happens only in larger churches and monasteries. SDA has them only one one day of the week.

Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and Islam can distinguish among clerical attire, liturgical vesture, national/ethnic traditional costumes, and women's clothes. SDA apparently doesn't have the mind to do so.

Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and Islam would NEVER put a baboon's heart in a human infant. SDA DID do it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/16


Can't you say anything that isn't psychobabble, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/16


If you want to call what I wear a dress, go ahead. I am comfortable enough in my masculinity to stand a few insults. However, Jerry might not be if he can't see the difference between a dress and a habit or cassock.

Buddhist nuns also wear a habit. But Buddhism and Catholicism are not the same.

Catholics do not believe in the unification of church and government, and you will have to prove that to me using Scripture and the CCC.

I will admit to a lot of death at the hands of Catholics. However, many Lutherans and Calvinists did a lot of murder too.

Almost ALL Christians worship on Sunday. Just a few deluded sects like SDA claim Saturday is the day of worship.
---Monk_Brendan on 2/12/16


aservant said, "Only Christianity recognizes Jesus as God, though He is the Creator - Col 1:16, 8:6, Eph 3:9, Heb 1:2, 8, 10-12, 3:4."

You are correct aservant, but Catholicism and Orthodoxy is not Christianity...
---john9346 on 2/12/16


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Clerics from both wear dresses.

Women's burkas and nun's habits are similar.

Both systems advocate the union of church and state with the church in control.

Both systems have murdered millions for not bowing to their authority.

Both worship on a false worship day.

Just to name a few.


---jerry6593 on 2/12/16


From The 5 Major Religions:

_Hindus acknowledge multitudes of gods and goddesses.
_Buddhists say there is no deity.
_New Age followers believe they are God.
_Muslims believe in a powerful but unknowable God.
_Christians believe in a God who is (a) loving and approachable (Father, Son {Jesus is the Spiritual "Twin" of the Father - John 14:7, 9}.

_Judaism believes in a God who is Creator (not Fatherly).

Only Christianity recognizes Jesus as God, though He is the Creator - Col 1:16, 8:6, Eph 3:9, Heb 1:2, 8, 10-12, 3:4.
---aservant on 2/11/16


Jerry, this is beneath you. But I will answer you in kind: In what ways is the SDA Church like Islam.

Answer: Like Islam, the Adventists follow the ravings of a deluded prophet who believed that angels were talking to her, but they were demons.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/10/16


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