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Is USA In Bible Prophecy

I am of those who believe that JEREMIAH 50 and 51 are Chapters which are Prophecies about the United States of America.

Any thoughts?

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jerry6593:

Not true. Please show from scripture why you think so. Most Americans identify as Christians, and about half are Democrats. Many Christian say "I'm Christian but you're not" and divide Christ.

There is an equally compelling case of how it is impossible to be a Republican Christian. Years ago, Brad Hicks wrote an intriguing article, "Christians in the hands of an angry God". His shows (with scriptural backing) that since the 60s, Republicans seduced the religious right into an unholy alliance, and anyone who truly believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God, must conclude the Republicans are the party of Satan, and evangelical Christians allied with it are the apostate church of Satan.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/16


Jerry you know that we are never to state anything like that. We are not to let politics guide our Christianity.

I see plenty in both Republicans and Democrats that do not follow the way of Christ. We are to let each person decide for themselves.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/16


Axster: It is impossible to be both a Christian and a Democrat - the two are mutually exclusive.


---jerry6593 on 3/27/16


Projecting again, Trav?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/16


Trav:

You wrote: you two defend the wicked... Pro 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous, him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him

Please show where either one of us has said to the wicked "thou art righteous".

Poser is not a brother, nor will ever be. A proven snake in our grass

You keep calling him a "poser" even though he was lawfully elected. You can call him a good real president, or a bad real president, but not an unreal president.

And "proven"? What bad has he done that others like Bush 1+2, Reagan, and Nixon haven't also done?
---StrongAxe on 3/26/16




\\You lean to calling evil good and good evil. Isa_5:20\\

That's exactly what you do, Trav.
---Cluny on 3/25/16

Your fearful personal opinion doesn't rate as bold proof. But, apparently, all you have to offer. Being fearful you two defend the wicked... being neither hot or cold you are more distasteful than the wicked.
Grab a blessing, be men.
Pro 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous, him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
Pro 24:25 But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.
---Trav on 3/25/16


\\You lean to calling evil good and good evil. Isa_5:20\\

That's exactly what you do, Trav.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/16


Trav:... Golden Rule, you should only call someone a serpent if you are OK with someone else calling you a serpent.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/16

You didn't provide "your" golden rule verse. Here is one applicable.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
We determine who is a dog or a swine or snake.
Poser is not a brother, nor will ever be. A proven snake in our grass. I will call a viper a snake for any brother of mine as a mark and warning.
If in fear you cannot judge for yourself between a snake a dog or a swine.
You lean to calling evil good and good evil. Isa_5:20
---Trav on 3/24/16


cluny: "So when you apologize for lying about me, maybe I will about you."

I already have. When are you going to apologize for accusing me of misquoting scripture? Or are you too arrogant to apologize?



---jerry6593 on 3/24/16


Trav
Carry on and blessings to you.
---Pg1 on 3/23/16




Trav:

You wrote: Like my Lord and King David i never tire of calling a serpent a serpent.

By Jesus's own Golden Rule, you should only call someone a serpent if you are OK with someone else calling you a serpent.

Remember, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It was fine for Jesus to do so, because he was without sin. Not so with us, so we must be more careful when we cast stones, because those very same stones will come right back and hit us in the face.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/16


Trav
Do you ever get tired of name calling ...
---Pg1 on 3/19/16

Like my Lord and King David i never tire of calling a serpent a serpent.
You were not specific so evidently stepping/revealing on rev-wrong/james cones serpent doctrines stung.
Couple of reasons rwrong and jcone fail.
Psa_86:17 Shew me a token for good, that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.
Psa_34:21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
On name calling:
Mat_12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?...
Mat_23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
---Trav on 3/23/16


\\And when are you going to apologize for lying about me?
\\

Many times you have ascribed to me things I did not say and do not believe.

So when you apologize for lying about me, maybe I will about you.

Fair enough?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/16


I did some minor research. The first pope to use "Vicarius Filii Dei" was Hadrian (aka Adrian) in 1150 or thereabouts--a CENTURY after the Papacy fell away from Orthodoxy.

What does that tall you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/16


The term Vicar of Christ is not more commonly used and is accepted as accepted as the proper title. It has the same meaning.

Yes we agree with the Orthodox that this is a false claim.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/16


Sorry Cluny about not getting back to you about the Man Made doctrines in the Orthodox Church. I cannot name who started some of them.

But you have asked me this question before. We went over a number of points.

Short list. We are iconoclast and don't consider that the Adoration of saints and object to be a doctrine supported in the Bible.

The Dead being immortal comes from Greek and Roman thought and is not found in the Bible.

Tradition being equal authority to the Bible is from the Jewish leaders and is not supported by Scripture.

I have appreciated many of your points. I am also not well versed in the Orthodox views which you have made me a wiser man for listening to you. Thank you.
Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/16


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Cluny:

You wrote: In fact, the very term "Vicar" assumes that the principal is absent, which Christ certainly is not.

True, but he is not physically present, nor inclined to issue directions on policy, so for that, one needs an intermediary - i.e. a priest. If one can go to God directly, one never has need of a priests for any reason - yet both Catholics and Orthodox have them (and Anglicans have vicars).
---StrongAxe on 3/21/16


cluny: "BTW, "Vicarius Filii Dei" has never been an official papal title."

"The title Vicarius Filii Dei as well as the title Vicarius Christi is very common as the title for the Pope." - Monsignor Johannes Quasten, Professor Emeritus, Catholic University of America, March 5, 1943.

So much for your scholarship. And when are you going to apologize for lying about me?



---jerry6593 on 3/22/16


\\Do you agree that the Pope is the only Vicar of Christ\\

Perhaps I should have been clearer. Sorry I wasn't.

The Orthodox do NOT believe that the Roman pontiff is the Vicar of Christ, nor have we ever.

In fact, the very term "Vicar" assumes that the principal is absent, which Christ certainly is not.

BTW, "Vicarius Filii Dei" has never been an official papal title. Its oldest use is in the Donation of Constantine, which was proven in the Middle Ages to be a forgery.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/16


Trav:

And for your information appx 1/2 of this nation didn't vote that could have.

So what? Voting is optional. Obama was elected by the explicit votes from a majority of voters who chose to vote, and the implicit silence of those who chose not to vote. He won all court challenges to his election. Please explain how his election was not legitimate?

You are a foreigner in this land, apparent as you post.

2+2=4, even if it's said by a farmer rather than a mathematician.

Rev_3:16

I decline to debate some issues. So what? Jesus refused to answer come questions from Pharisees too. And, why are you judging me, despite Jesus's prohibition against doing so?
---StrongAxe on 3/21/16


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It the widespread understanding of our church.

So Cluny thanks for your points and questions

But you didn't answer. Do you agree that the Pope is the only Vicar of Christ. A doctrine we oppose.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/16


\\But it's still true that Vicarious de fills Dei is a title of the Pope. Don't you teach it's a false claim?\\

The false title is VICARIUS FILII DEI.

The TRUE title is VICARIUS CHRISTI (Vicar of Christ).

However, in Greek, that can only be expressed as ANTICHRISTOS. The Greek prefix ANTI does not mean opposite, but a substitute or alternative. For example Viceroy (Vicar of the King) is Anti-basilevs. Vice-President is ANTIPROEDROS.

Now please tell me if it's the official teaching of the SDA or merely a wide spread opinion that the US government is the second beast of Rev. 13.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/16


True Cluny Smith did make that mistake. He trusted a source that Samuele Bacciochi proved false. The SDA church admitted this many years ago.

But it's still true that Vicarious de fills Dei is a title of the Pope. Don't you teach it's a false claim? That's it's not true that he is the vicar or sole representative of God on earth?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/16


BTW, Samuel, thank you for correcting me and telling me it was Uriah Smith.

But do clarify: this this the official doctrine of he SDA, or merely a wide-spread theological opinion (theologoumenon)?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/16


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Uriah Smith also said this:

"The pope wears upon his pontifical crown in jeweled letters, this title: "Vicarius Filii Dei," "Viceregent of the Son of God," the numerical value of which title is just six hundred and sixty-six "

There is not and never has been an ornament such as Smith says. The Papal tiara has NEVER had "Vicarius Filii Dei" written, embroidered, engraved in any letters, jewelled or not.

I don't pretend to know if the papacy has any prophetic significance, but this is just one more example of how prominent SDAs violate the Decalogue precept about not bearing false witness.

BTW, the tiara was retired in 1965.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/16


\\Also Cluny it was Uriah Smith who established this doctrine. Please stop making false accusations. If disagree fine. I have no problem with that. Just be careful to dispute the doctrine. Not make personal attacks.
Agape\\

Let me ask you a question to clarify it for me.

Is it an official doctrine of the SDA that the US is or will be the second beast (false prophet) of Rev 13?

Please answer yes or no and explain, if necessary.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/16


Obama was legally elected President. It's a false story that people spread with out checking for the truth.

Also Cluny it was Uriah Smith who established this doctrine. Please stop making false accusations. If disagree fine. I have no problem with that. Just be careful to dispute the doctrine. Not make personal attacks.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/16


\\And for your information appx 1/2 of this nation didn't vote that could have. Your filthy imposter was not elected by national landslide.\\

I don't know why you're saying Obama is an impostor.

He was legally elected president according to the Constitutional procedure and applicable laws.

And since his late mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth (regardless of where it was), so is he.

BTW, I didn't vote for Obama.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/16


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Trav
Do you ever get tired of name calling and judging another person's relationship with Christ? Get the beam out of your own eye and deal with your own issues. It could very well be you who could hear those words depart from me I never knew you when it's all said and done.
---Pg1 on 3/19/16


\\I think that the USA is mentioned only in this verse:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.\\

That's one of the fantasies of EGW which the SDA accepts as doctrine.

Specifically it's the United States government with it's nasty old Sunday blue laws that force people to work on Saturday.

In case you can't guess, the Pope (which one?) is the first beast.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/16


I think that the USA is mentioned only in this verse:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.



---jerry6593 on 3/17/16


Impostor? Remember, MORE THAN HALF of American voters elected him.
---StrongAxe on 2/25/16

Being elected does not make him less of an Imposter.
Blindly, Israel chose Saul also. And for your information appx 1/2 of this nation didn't vote that could have. Your filthy imposter was not elected by national landslide.
You are a foreigner in this land, apparent as you post. You are a foreigner to scripture as well as you cannot take a position there either. Would that you were hot or cold instead of a straddler.
Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 3/15/16


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Leon, concerning Revelation, I believe you are correct in what you wrote on 3/7/16. That much of Revelation is symbolism and there is no real dragons, I believe that Babylon is the Apostate Church in Rev. 17.
---Luke on 3/11/16


My pleasure, Samuel.
---Cluny on 3/10/16


Thank you Cluny.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/16


\\By who Cluny?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/16
\\

By Jews themselves.

The other recension, less well known, is the Jerusalem Talmud. Herman Wouk, in his overview of Judaism entitled THIS IS MY GOD said that familiarity with the Jerusalem Talmud is the mark of a great sage.

Surely, you have heard of the Talmud.

It's the written form of the very Scribes and Pharisees who rejected their Messiah.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/16


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By who Cluny?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/16


\\Babylon represents the Apostate Church who has adopted the doctrines of the Devil and is working to destroy true Christianity [ & ] replace it with a false version.\\

Curious, but the principal Jewish source for Biblical interpretation is called the BABYLONIAN TALMUD.

Draw your own conclusions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/16


Glad we agree on this and how to understand scripture.

But the problem is that people say they are using one when they use the others.


Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/16


///Revelation contains symbology. We don't have real dragons. The Dragon represents Satan. Revelation 12:9 and 20:2...I don't believe the United States is Babylon... Babylon represents the Apostate Church who has adopted the doctrines of the Devil and is working to destroy true Christianity [ & ] replace it with a false version. Revelation 17...---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/16///

True Sam, the Book of Revelation is full of symbolism. The dragon is the same serpent (devil/Satan) spoken of in the G3. Though I'm not absolutely certain, I believe there's some merit in believing what I've highlighted in bold-typed above. Scripture shows for certain the devil is an imposter who always tries to parallel his false ways to God's true Way.
---Leon on 3/7/16


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///There are two major ways of studying the Bible, iseigesis method and exegesis method. I follow the exegesis method, which means I take the bible literally, I believe it says what it means, the bible doesn't have an hidden agenda under the surface for us to find...---Robert_Pendlebury on 3/4/16///

Bob: I agree in that eIsegesis, "reading into scripture what's not there", is a very incorrect method of Bible study. But, eXegesis is the "reading out of scripture God's explanation of text" by the leading of God the Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 3/7/16


Gordon, I read the Bible many times and not once did it mention America. Anyone can add America in many places and say, "that is America" but it is only in their minds.
Every nation has gone in the gutter. There is no nation that is perfect or a nation that has not sinned. Most of what is mention in Scripture is in the Meddle East.
Those facts are for us to learn what went wrong with those nations and people. Even Israel was corrupt many times. And God would help them and they would promise to be obedient and they never were. They always went back to been idol worshippers.
---Luke on 3/5/16


Revelation contains symbology. We don't have real dragons. The Dragon represents Satan. Revelation 12:9 and 20:2.

Scholars also say that Christians used Babylon as a code word for Rome. In their writings.

I don't believe the United States is Babylon.

In my understanding Babylon represents the Apostate Church who has adopted the doctrines of the Devil and is working to destroy true Christianity. Then replace it with a false version. Revelation 17.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/16


There are two major ways of studying the Bible, iseigesis method and exegesis method. I follow the exegesis method, which means I take the bible literally, I believe it says what it means, the bible doesn't have an hidden agenda under the surface for us to find. therefore regarding Jer. 50,51 I believe it means exactly what it says, Babylon not America, history proves Jer 50,51 is Babylon. because that is exactly what as happened to Babylon to try to make it fit the newest nation on earth, (Israel excluded she has been restored) stretches the imagination beyond its limits. the utter desolation of Babylon was God's judgement on them for how they treated Israel,
---Robert_Pendlebury on 3/4/16


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Hi Gordon,

If you truly believe that America is Babylon then maybe you should:
Jer 50:8 Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks. (KJV)

Get my drift???
---trey on 2/25/16


Why about America? Many say prophecies are about America, but this shows a very common Amerio-centric attitude "We're the most important people/nation in the world, so it it's all about us". Other nations have much longer histories and more influence on world history.

If you were right, America would be invaded and destroyed by Canada. Very unlikely, given how friendly and non-confrontational we Canadians are.

This is not a generic prophecy. It REPEATELY mentions children of Israel and Judah by name returning to Zion. This is the twelve tribes returning to Palestine.

If you're looking for prophecies being fulfilled in our time, look at actual, physical Babylon (i.e. modern day Iraq).
---StrongAxe on 2/26/16


but the should spare us the hypocritical pretense about this "honoring what Scalia stood for".
---StrongAxe on 2/23/16

Agreed. Hypocrisy is vulgar whenever it is seen.

Perhaps the POTUS skipping the funeral for Justice Scalia can be seen as hypocrisy? What was so urgent? Looking for a successor to Justice Scalia?

Yes, the Constitution does not specify constructionist or activist justices. However, it took SCOTUS 139 years to find the "right to privacy" and now that they have found it, they continue to expand it. Soon the right to privacy will overrule the Bill of Rights, perhaps removing the Second and Tenth amendments altogether.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/25/16


Trav:

When did I cry legalism?

I did not say the senators should follow the Constitution literally because it's the right thing to do. I said they should do so because that's what SCALIA DID, and if they want to honor his legacy (AS THEY ARE CLAIMING TO DO), they should act as he did.

They only agenda I am pushing here is Scalia's (and he was a CONSERVATIVE).

It is, after all, his constitutional duty to do so. I am a foreigner in this land, with a green card. In order to get it, I had to swear to uphold the constitution. As a natural born citizen, you probably never had to do so.

Impostor? Remember, MORE THAN HALF of American voters elected him. TWICE. Argue with them, not with me.
---StrongAxe on 2/25/16


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While violating your own oath in order to push your own agenda is a very politician thing to do, it is NOT a very Christian thing to do, ...
---StrongAxe on 2/22/16

It is exactly the same as what you are doing here.
Crying legalism for your own (hidden)P.C. liberal agenda.
Funny you are not so legalistic with scripture.
King David ate the Shew bread, also forbidden. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego broke a kings decree.
Not letting this bias'd immoral imposter pick a judge is perfectly correct. Except to those like yourself.
Dan_3:12...Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
---Trav on 2/23/16


\\The right to privacy that includes abortion? \\

The right to privacy was invoked in GRISWOLD in 1967 to make contraception legal.

What do you think of that? Do you agree?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/16


Actaully Cluny that came from Uriah Smith in his book Daniel and Revelation. It was not approved or stated by White until after the book was published. So you reversed the order.

Now Uriah Smith used the published works of Sir Issac Newton as the basis of his work on the topic.

Yes we do teach it in Revelation Seminars. But because that is what we guess is the truth. Based on Bible study. Not White.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/23/16


Mark_Eaton:

As far as I know, POTUS and SCOTUS act within their constitutionally-specified parameters (as much as any previous POTUS and SCOTUS).

The constitution makes no mention of activist nor traditionalist justices. They have discretion to vote as they see fit.

But I wasn't talking about all justices, just Scalia, and senators who wrap themselves in flags to "honor what he stood for" (i.e. the constitution, as written) - by vowing to NOT do the duty the same constitution mandates they do.

They can rant all they want about preserving a conservative court (they are, after all, politicians), but the should spare us the hypocritical pretense about this "honoring what Scalia stood for".
---StrongAxe on 2/23/16


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they should honor what the constitution SAYS, and do their REQUIRED duty, and confirm any reasonable candidates the President puts forth.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/16

Funny, why don't you have that same requirement for the justices and the POTUS?

Do activists justices really honor the constitution when they find "rights" not codified in it words? Like the right to marriage? The right to privacy that includes abortion? Or when they seek to eliminate or limit rights codified in the constitution? Like the Second Amendment?

And what about the POTUS, does he enforce and uphold the constitution when he issues executive orders that countermand laws passed by the legislative branch?
---Mark_Eaton on 2/22/16


Many senators have declared that they intend to run out the clock on appointing Scalia's replacement, saying Obama "owes it to America" to let next president to appoint a replacement. Many said they will not even CONSIDER any viable candidates he puts forth.

They chould re-read the constitution and what it says about lengths of terms of office, and duties of a president, and of senators.

They took oaths to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. By delaying, they are violating their own oaths.

While violating your own oath in order to push your own agenda is a very politician thing to do, it is NOT a very Christian thing to do, and most of these senators claim to be Christian conservatives.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/16


///Justice Scalia was a strict originalist - always going to the letter of the Constitution, and its authors' original intent. It says the President will make appointments to fill judicial offices, subject to Senate's advice and consent. No [Constitutional] mention of [their] being forbidden from acting during his [Obama's] last year (and "Thurman rule" is irrelevant since it isn't July yet.) No mention of Senate allowed to drag its feet just because it doesn't like the President...if Republican senators REALLY want to honor Scalia...they should honor what the Constitution SAYS, and do their REQUIRED duty, and confirm any reasonable candidates the President puts forth.---StrongAxe on 2/20/16///

Absolutely 'Axe.
---Leon on 2/21/16


Leon said, "First of all Monk, you aren't an elected member of "Congress..."

Neither are you! But my vote is an influence. Ever since I turned 21, I have voted in every presidential election, and more than a few state and local elections.

And you are wrong, I do understand all the issues, back scratching and otherwise that go on. But, unless you are a politician--which you have not said--then the only influence you have is your vote, as well.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/21/16


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Justice Scalia was a strict originalist - always going to the letter of the constitution, and its authors' original intent. It says the President will make appointments to fill judicial offices, subject to Senate's advice and consent.

No mention of being forbidden from acting during his last year (and "Thurman rule" is irrelevant since it isn't July yet.) No mention of Senate allowed to drag its feet just because it doesn't like the President.

In short, if Republican senators REALLY want to honor Scalia and what he stood for (rather than just using him as a pawn in their own agendas), they should honor what the constitution SAYS, and do their REQUIRED duty, and confirm any reasonable candidates the President puts forth.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/16


///...I have influence over John McCain..., but we [aren't] speaking of influence. [We're] speaking of ...people who actually vote to confirm SC Justices,...[that's] the Senate...---Monk_Brendan on 2/20/16///

First of all Monk, you aren't an elected member of "Congress". The only likely "influence" you'd have over an elected official, e.g., Senator McCain, is via your vote. But, you have no real say on Capitol Hill. Secondly, wherein you & the imaginary "we" you hear in your head aren't speaking of influence, I certainly am. You narrowly interpret, yet fail to comprehend politics is all about elected official's partisan "influencing" (back scratching) & supporting one another regularly.
---Leon on 2/21/16


Leon said, " Monk, do you think House Reps have no influence over Senators & vise versa? Apples & oranges, but they're all in the same "legislative" fruit bowl on Capitol Hill:"

First of all, it is vice versa.

Even I have influence over John McCain (Senator from Arizona), but we are not speaking of influence. We are speaking of the people who actually vote to confirm SC Justices, and that is the Senate.

(Read your Constitution.)

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/20/16


\\I believe Revelation 13 is about America. I cannot prove it beyond the shadow of doubt. But it is my best hypothesis. \\

That's because the SDA church, following a message from EGW, said that the US government is the second beast--False Prophet--of Revelation 13 with its nasty old Sunday blue laws and will make all the world worship on Sunday only.

I've heard this in the SDA REVELATION SEMINARS I took in the Mid 80's.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/16


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Monk, do you think House Reps have no influence over Senators & vise versa? Apples & oranges, but they're all in the same "legislative" fruit bowl on Capitol Hill:

House of representatives -- The lower house of the United States Congress. With 435 popularly elected officials, the House (as it is often called) is the most representative body in the federal government. House seats are apportioned relative to each state's population.

Senate, United States -- The upper house of the United States Congress. Two senators are elected from each state, regardless of state population, guaranteeing each state equal representation.
---Leon on 2/20/16


True Leon. Gordan hyperbole is not facts.

I believe Revelation 13 is about America. I cannot prove it beyond the shadow of doubt. But it is my best hypothesis.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/19/16


Leon said, "Now he's about to battle them over a pending pick for the Supreme Court? He & "we" all know his pick won't be HR approved."

Leon, it is the Senate, and not the House of Representatives that confirm a Justice.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/19/16


////...Obama is a dictator. [?]...[America] is no longer under the U.S. Constitution. [?]...Obama has been getting away with overriding [it]... [?] [A past] President doing what he's done would've been impeached. [?] America has the spirit of Babylon...therefore is classified as today's Babylon.[Says who?!!!]...---Gordon on 2/19/16///

Gordon: You have the "Constitutional right" (First Amendment) to say that, but that's flat out not true. President Obama can't & hasn't done everything he wanted to do. He's been in a constant uphill battle with the U.S. House of Reps for nearly 8 years. Now he's about to battle them over a pending pick for the Supreme Court? He & "we" all know his pick won't be HR approved.
---Leon on 2/19/16


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\\ In the past, a President doing what he's done would've been impeached. \\

We've had two presidents impeached: Andrew Johnson and William Clinton. Neither was found guilty of the impeachment.

Impeachment does NOT mean removal from office, but rather the accusation of "high crimes and misdemeanors". In the case of a sitting president, this accusation is made by the House of Representatives.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/16


..."proofs" that Britain and America are to be found in Bible prophecy.
---john1944 on 2/14/16

In scripture John, only to those that "see", "ask" and look. Best scriptural finalized proof never discussed here is found in Heb 8:10 and Jer 33:33. Find the Nation/people with these GOD placed marks and you found the "sheep pen".
Note, Sheep are Sheep and not "attack dogs" and see the confusion in our own country.
Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep ...
Eze_34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
Mar_6:34 ...as sheep not having a shepherd: he began to teach them many things.
---Trav on 2/19/16


Leon, Yes.

But, Obama is a dictator.

Obama's actions do speak louder than his words.

He's a smooth operator of a dictator.

The U.S.A. is no longer under the U.S. Constitution. That is why Obama has been getting away with overriding the Constitution and doing his own thing. In the past, a President doing what he's done would've been impeached. America has the spirit of Babylon and therefore is classified as today's Babylon.

America is the daughter of Babylon and has grown up to be Babylon herself.
---Gordon on 2/19/16


Gordon said, " Monk, America is the modern day Babylon."

Sorry to disagree, but the city of Babylon still exists, and has for 7000 years. Who is to say that in God's timing it will not again become a powerful city, rules by the Anti-Christ.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/19/16


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I do not agree with British Israel-ism. It has been awhile since I studied it. The World Wide church of GOD under Armstrong taught it.

But I do think the U. S. is in the bible. But I also agree with you Monk Brendan. Jeremiah is about Babylon.

I guess that part of Revelation is about the U. S. But I will not say that you have to believe that.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/18/16


Monk, America is the modern day Babylon.
---Gordon on 2/18/16

True the USA now, like Babylon of old, is the most powerful nation on earth. But, that's where the similarities end. Babylon was a kingdom with a monarch. The USA is a democracy with elected officials. I think if any nations in the world are more like Babylon they're to be found in Middle Eastern countries where strongmen (dictators) rule. Another place to look at is North Korea.
---Leon on 2/18/16


Monk, America is the modern day Babylon.
---Gordon on 2/18/16


StrongAxe, well said!
---john1944 on 2/15/16


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My favorite ludicrous "proof" of British Israelism is the idea that "British" comes from Hebrew "brit" = covenant, "ish" = man, so "british" = "man of the convenant". Anyone who knows any Hebrew at all knows that those two words juxtaposed that way would not be "man of the convenant", but rather "convenant of man" (which evokes images of the Beast rather than the Chosen People).
---StrongAxe on 2/15/16


The short answer is no.

Jeremiah 50 & 51 are not about the USA. They are prophecies about Babylon.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/14/16


Do a Google search using
"British Israelism"
and you will find tons of "proofs" that Britain and America are to be found in Bible prophecy.
---john1944 on 2/14/16


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