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Someone said, " Christians have no more business believing Darwin than they have believing Kepler or Copernicus."

With that in mind, is the Earth flat or is it a sphere?

Monk Brendan

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Samuel, what are the man-made traditions of the Orthodox Church?

Please be specific.

Say WHO invented each one and WHEN it was adopted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/16


Sorry Cluny for being a bad speller.

Cluny the man made traditions of the church contradicts scripture. So we believe that scripture is superior to tradition. You know the Bible verse that says to the law and the prophets there is no light in them. You know the words of Jesus to the Hebrew leaders who placed their traditions above scripture. So why don't you remember them or tell me why they are false.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/16


\\Why do say they believe the Bible when you proclaim sola scriptoria is false.\\

First off, the term is "sola scriptura". Please spell it correctly.

Next, the Bible itself never says that in either testament.

Finally, Samuel, you have set forth a false dichotomy, because from the Orthodox standpoint, the Bible is itself part of tradition, i.e., what has been passed down, received, believed, and passed on to the next generation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/16


\\It was many generations after the time of the Apostles when the elements began to "change" into the literal body and blood of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/18/16\\

A pretty theory, Mark, but it has no basis in historical reality.

In fact, in the Letters of St. Ignatius, himself a disciple of the Apostle John, is says, "The Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Christ." He also said to have nothing to do with heretics who denied this.

This is hardly "many generations."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/16


monk: "Jerry, YOU are the one in delusion. You cannot see that EGW has pulled the wool over your eyes."

That's it? You can't answer a straightforward question so you bring up EGW? She had nothing to do with the Protestant interpretation of symbolic communion emblems. That happened centuries before she was born.

Here's the question again. Try to stay focused.

Does it taste like blood or wine? Be honest. Does God make fake blood or are you just deluding yourself?"



---jerry6593 on 3/19/16




Alright Monk I understand. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/16


Samuel BB said, "The problem is the words are not written in the Catechism."

We have those words in the Bible. The Catechism is Not our Bible. It is a tool for teaching--just like Bible study guides and and such are also tools. They do not hold the Word of God. They just point to where it is.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/18/16


Why do say they believe the Bible when you proclaim sola scriptoria is false.

It can't be both ways. Either scripture is supreme or tradition.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/16


\\Most born-again Christians take those words as meaning "These elements represent my body and blood."
---Rita_H on 3/17/16
\\

Born-again Christians may.

But REAL Christians of the ancient churches founded by the Apostles and not after the Reformation take Jesus at His Word.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/16


Dear Monk Brendan

I put in the form you gave me. It lead me to a number of websites. They explained to me that the first contains the protestants second. I am okay with that being true.

The problem is the words are not written in the Catechism.

Exodus 20:4,5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/16




Most born-again Christians take those words as meaning "These elements represent my body and blood."
---Rita_H on 3/17/16

I would go even farther and say that the Apostles sitting around the table with Jesus understood that the bread and the wine only represented His blood and body. I also think that the Apostles continued to believe and teach this until their deaths.

It was many generations after the time of the Apostles when the elements began to "change" into the literal body and blood of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/18/16


Thank you Monk Brendan. I am using my phone to keep up. I promise to read the article when I can get to a computer. I have no problem with the division. My problem is all the words left out.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/16


\\This is not at all clear as it is easily proven to be not true. The bread and wine are easily tested to not be flesh and blood.\\

jerry, are you a born-again child of God?

When you experienced your new birth, did you wear diapers, drink from a bottle, cry, and pee?

Your question is on the level of the one I asked you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/16


"But the wine DOES become the blood of Christ because the Holy Spirit IS God, and the Holy Spirit (not the priest) is Who makes the change." Where does scripture say this will happen? When Jesus said the words "This my body, this is my blood" He had not yet been crucified. Most born-again Christians take those words as meaning "These elements represent my body and blood." Roman Catholics and a few others would disagree of course.
---Rita_H on 3/17/16


Samuel BB said, "Tell me why are the Ten commandments in Exodus 20 changed in the Catechism?"

Your question, if taken from one of the original manuscript would look like this:

tellmewhyarethetencommandmentsinexodus20changedinthecatechism

You have to look closely to find where the word separations are. Imagine whole parchment leaves written like that, with no punctuation, no capitalization, no spaces, and none of the chapter and verse numbers filled in. And in Greek!

Even though God does not, sometimes people make mistakes.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/17/16


Cluny please check that. Thanks.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/16


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Jerry said, "... Does it taste like blood or wine? Be honest. Does God make fake blood or are you just deluding yourself?"

Jerry, YOU are the one in delusion. You cannot see that EGW has pulled the wool over your eyes.

By the way, I have preached in a number of pulpits too, before I became a monk. One was an African American congregation in Illinois, I have spoken in two pulpits in Alaska, and in various parishes, in missions, where I was called to preach how too live a Christian life.

"monk: Who's starring in your play "Psychobabble"? Cluny?"

As far as Cluny, of course not! He is much to old to play the part! I was thinking of asking you to play the title roll.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/17/16


monk: "When the clear Word of God tells me something, like the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, I obey it."

This is not at all clear as it is easily proven to be not true. The bread and wine are easily tested to not be flesh and blood.

On the other hand, God's own clear handwriting you have a problem with and refuse to obey, as:

Exo 20:8-11 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: .... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.


---jerry6593 on 3/18/16


\\Tell me why are the Ten commandments in Exodus 20 changed in the Catechism?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/16\\

I think it has something to do with chapter and verse--and not infrequently word--divisions not being in the original mss.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/16


I have been reading the Bible since 1974. I have read the words of both those who agree and disagree with me. Like you we have both spent time on our knees in prayer.

Tell me why are the Ten commandments in Exodus 20 changed in the Catechism?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/16


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Jerry said, "Do you obey the Word of God or that of the pope?"

When the clear Word of God tells me something, like the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, I obey it.

However, I do not obey petty pretenders who have all the Bible tracts up their sleeves, and can rain down their twisted interpretation of what the Bible means.

I have been reading the Bible on a regular basis since 1977, and I know it backwards and forwards, in and out.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/16/16


cluny: "But the wine DOES become the blood of Christ"

Then it should be easy to test in a lab (or in your mouth). Does it taste like blood or wine? Be honest. Does God make fake blood or are you just deluding yourself?



monk: Who's starring in your play "Psychobabble"? Cluny?



---jerry6593 on 3/17/16


\\Your priest is not God, and your wine is not blood.
\\

But the wine DOES become the blood of Christ because the Holy Spirit IS God, and the Holy Spirit (not the priest) is Who makes the change.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/16


On Psychobabble: Jerry said, "I should charge you rent for using my word."

Sorry, Jerry. I bought the rights to that word years ago, before I entered the monastic life. I have been nice to you in letting you use it so far. But starting April 1 of 2016, I am going to start charging you a nickel for every time you use it.

By the way, I have already written the play "Psychobabble" and I am looking for investors to back its opening on the local stage, and if it's a hit, then on to Broadway!
---Monk_Brendan on 3/16/16


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There is nothing in the heavenly realm that can be proven with the scientific method.
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
---micha9344 on 3/16/16


cluny: "You've been told it's not magical."

OK, then what is it?

The scientific method would suggest a series of simple tests that would determine whether your hypothesis (e.g., that wine became human blood) is true or not. You know the outcome. The wine is NOT blood, but you pretend that it is and insist that it happens by some undefinable (RP) process.

When Christ turned water into wine, it REALLY became wine - not RP wine. He was able to do this because He is God. Your priest is not God, and your wine is not blood.



---jerry6593 on 3/16/16


\\Seriously, do you really think that juvenile comments like that make you appear cerebral? \\

But when you say, "psychobabble," it's cerebral, isn't it?

\\Claiming that some magical effect like "real presence" trumps physical reality is indeed psychobabble, and you know it.\\

You've been told it's not magical.

Apparently you're stuck in scientism, jerry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/16


Jerry said, "Claiming that some magical effect like "real presence" trumps physical reality is indeed psychobabble, and you know it."

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it does not exist. I've heard some vegetarians say, "I don't believe in eating meat!" But people eat meat all the time.

If you don't believe in the Real Presence (RP), fine. Go your merry way. But let those that do believe in RP, as well as Sunday as A day of worship, and the antiquity of the universe go our way. BTW, I still don't believe in Darwin, and his theory of evolution.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/15/16


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monk: "What pulpit DO you preach from?"

I can't imagine why you'd be interested, but I've preached in any of several in the greater Orlando, FL area. I will preach in anywhere I'm invited.



clunity: "Why do you post nothing but psychobabble, jerry?"

I should charge you rent for using my word. Seriously, do you really think that juvenile comments like that make you appear cerebral? Claiming that some magical effect like "real presence" trumps physical reality is indeed psychobabble, and you know it.


---jerry6593 on 3/15/16


Why do you post nothing but psychobabble, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/16


Technically Jerry they don't worship the pope. But it make me cringe the name they often refer to him by.

I'm not a preacher. I am a local church elder. Who now and then gets to preach. But I teach an Adult Sabbath School class.

I used to be employed as a Seventh day Adventist church school teacher.

Jerry only has to have a zeal for Christ to spread the word. As all who follow Jesus are called to the priesthood.

1Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/14/16


Jerry didn't answer the first time, so...

What pulpit DO you preach from?

After all, such a vocal proponent of SDA theology must have a pulpit somewhere.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/13/16


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monk: "As I have repeatedly stated, I do not worship any man, only God."

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Do you obey the Word of God or that of the pope?



---jerry6593 on 3/14/16


Jerry said, "Now who's getting ugly?

I worship the one, true Jehovah God of the Bible. You worship a man."


I apologize for the ugliness. However, I worship God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

As I have repeatedly stated, I do not worship any man, only God.

If you had really read what I have written, then you would know this.

I'm praying for you,
Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/13/16


monk: "Yes, and you are worshiping this Christ hating demon you call God!"

Now who's getting ugly?

I worship the one, true Jehovah God of the Bible. You worship a man.


---jerry6593 on 3/13/16


Jerry said, "monk: "But just because God said so does not make it YOUR imperative"

That's a very telling statement. You seem to feel no obligation whatever to obey God Himself. But I'll bet you do feel obliged to obey your superior or your pope.

It is evident that we worship different Gods."


Yes, and you are worshiping this Christ hating demon you call God!

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/12/16


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I said to Jerry, "And if you had received a mandate from God, you would have an important pulpit in the SDA."

Jerry, as a backup to what I raised in the above sentence, What pulpit DO you preach from?

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/12/16


monk: "But just because God said so does not make it YOUR imperative"

That's a very telling statement. You seem to feel no obligation whatever to obey God Himself. But I'll bet you do feel obliged to obey your superior or your pope.

It is evident that we worship different Gods.



---jerry6593 on 3/12/16


/You also miss out on the New Covenant as it is given only to the houses of Israel and Judah. Heb 8:8\-jerry6593 on 3/10/16
Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
-Neither Heb 8:8 nor Jer 31:31 uses the word "only" nor implies it.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
-Neither Isaac nor Jacob (Israel) was the seed in which all nations would be blessed.
In Christ, not in Israel.
---micha9344 on 3/10/16


JESUS CHRIST is the Jewish Messiah. So to be in Christ means you are now part of Israel and Jerry points out. You just say he is wrong but don't show where the verses he uses are incorrect.

Also you don't explain how Ephesians says Jews are part of Israel.

Psalms 117
O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

All people are loved by GOD. Look up stranger among you in the old Testament and they could join Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/16


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Jerry said, "Why? Because MY God said so. He even wrote it down with His own finger. The seven-day week and the seventh-day Sabbath of rest are the sign of the one true Creator God. That's why."

But just because God said so does not make it YOUR imperative, YOUR command to MAKE everyone on the Earth to accept that particular belief.

I have no doubt that you are a good member of the SDA, but that does not mean that everybody absolutely MUST believe exactly what you believe.

And if you had received a mandate from God, you would have an important pulpit in the SDA.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/9/16


Michael: "I am in Christ. I am not in Israel."

Then you are at variance with the scripture:

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You also miss out on the New Covenant as it is given only to the houses of Israel and Judah.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


---jerry6593 on 3/10/16


/If you are in Christ, then you are of spiritual Israel, God's chosen people - the elect of the New Covenant.\-jerry6593 on 3/9/16
/Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.\-jerry6593 on 3/8/16
Let's get some context here:
What promise?
Gal 3:8 ...preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
I am in Christ. I am not in Israel.
---micha9344 on 3/9/16


Michael: What saddens me is that you can't see that your putting your theology into the Bible and not pulling correct theology out. If you are in Christ, then you are of spiritual Israel, God's chosen people - the elect of the New Covenant.


---jerry6593 on 3/9/16


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/Gal 3:29
Are you Christ's?\-jerry6593 on 3/8/16
/To be in the New Covenant we have to become part of Israel.
Se we are Israel.
Ephesians 2:11-16\-Samuelbb7 on 3/7/16
Eisegesis is when one uses scripture to support their view rather than let scripture mold one's view.
The partition is broken. The 2 are one. There is no Jew nor Greek. The root is Christ. Israel and Gentile are branches.
We are in Christ, not in Israel.
What saddens me is that you have been told this replacement theology long enough that you can't see that your putting your theology into the Bible and not pulling correct theology out.
---micha9344 on 3/8/16


Michael: "-OOHH!! The House of Israel, the Seed of Jacob."

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Are you Christ's?



---jerry6593 on 3/8/16


To be in the New Covenant we have to become part of Israel.

Se we are Israel.

Ephesians 2:11-16 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands, That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall... so making peace, And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/16


/Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my Sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,\-jerry6593 on 3/7/16
-Who is "them"?
-Let's find out.
Eze 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
Eze 20:10 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness.
Eze 20:5 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God,
-OOHH!! The House of Israel, the Seed of Jacob.
---micha9344 on 3/7/16


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monk: "What I find inconceivable is that a modern man would go to such extraordinary lengths to convert people over to this view of a six 24 hour days for Creation. Why is this? Is your faith so weak, that you have to shout so loud?"

Why? Because MY God said so. He even wrote it down with His own finger. The seven-day week and the seventh-day Sabbath of rest are the sign of the one true Creator God. That's why.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my Sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,


---jerry6593 on 3/7/16


monk: Your pope has stated his belief in the Big Bang theory and in the development of life forms by Evolution. He has called the Bible a LIE, as:

"When we read the creation story in Genesis we run the risk of imagining that God was a magician, with a magic wand which is able to do everything, Pope Francis said. But it is not so."

God IS able to do everything! The Bible IS the truth! It is the pope who is the liar!



---jerry6593 on 3/7/16


Jerry said, "I can't conceive why anyone would argue against the clear biblical narrative of a six day Creation week except to allow time for the Darwinian fable. Can you?"

What I find inconceivable is that a modern man would go to such extraordinary lengths to convert people over to this view of a six 24 hour days for Creation. Why is this? Is your faith so weak, that you have to shout so loud?

All you are called to do is present the Good News. If someone believes, you have a convert. If they do not believe, then move on, as you have planted a seed.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/29/16


Concerning Joshua's "Long Day", did God slow the day or did He hasten the actions of the event to incorporate them into a shorter timeframe?
Concerning sunset, sunrise, and evening: This was written to man. God defined a normal day. He also defined the normal week. After defining the normal day, He put the tools that man would use to measure that day. But man wasn't even on the Earth yet.
It seems kind of backward don't you think?
To create something, define it, then make tools to measure it, and then put into place the user of the tools?
Or maybe it doesn't sound backwards.
1 normal day created - defined: Gen 1:5
Tools to measure the normal day: Gen 1:14
The users of the tools to measure the normal day: Gen 1:27
---micha9344 on 2/27/16


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Jerry said, "I can't conceive why anyone would argue against the clear biblical narrative of a six day Creation week except to allow time for the Darwinian fable. Can you?"

First, the Pope does not believe in Darwin. The Pope may, as a purely personal belief hold that Creation was billions of years, as we, in our fallen, mortal state call them.

I am not even disagreeing with Jerry about the number of days in Creation Week. What I debate is the length of those days. Sunrise, sunset, morning and evening are all words that fallen humans (us) use to describe the rotation of the Earth on its axis.

God may use 36 hours, or 8 hours. Or He is quite capable of a day being 2 billion years (as we measure time.)
---Monk_Brendan on 2/26/16


Jerry said of Cluny, "If you are trying to convince us that you are NOT petty, juvenile and irrelevant, you're missing the mark badly."

As have mentioned in the past, I know Cluny well, and he is not only a pious holy man of God, who lives for Jesus, he is also quite smart, well educated, and wise.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/26/16


jerry6593 wrote:

You wrote: Why on earth do you continue to argue the fine points of the length of a day when the real question is did God do it the way He said or is it all a big accident?

I am not the one arguing this. All I do is say God didn't specify how long they are, so why should we presume to put words into his mouth? It is OTHERS who keep insisting they know how long these days were.

Also, this blog makes no mention of "accident" - just "we have no more business believing Darwin than Kepler or Copernicus" (both of whose theories are demonstrably provable.)

(Yes, I make mistakes, and my previous post was a real doozy, but I did notice it before anyone else did!)
---StrongAxe on 2/26/16


Wow. 3 typos from missed letters in just one sentence. My brand new keyboard must be slipping! Plus a duplicate word in another. My old brain must be slipping too!

Jerry6593 wrote: If you are trying to convince us ...

Cluny wrote: How many people do you think you are, jerry?

I presume he meant himself plus everyone else reading this blog.
---StrongAxe on 2/26/16


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cluny & axe: Oh if you guys would be as critical of Darwin's work as you are of Jesus'. Why on earth do you continue to argue the fine points of the length of a day when the real question is did God do it the way He said or is it all a big accident?

And cluny, given your penchant for finding errors in others grammar, are you going to demean StrongAxe's first sentence of the second paragraph on his last blog? It's a doozie!



---jerry6593 on 2/26/16


jerry6593:

Who here has been arguing against a six day Creation week?

I have not been sayin the Cration was not six days long, just hat the Bible does not say how long those days were. I have not yet heard an adequate explanation that can explain them all. ("24 hours" doesn't isn't adequate, as not all Biblical days are 24 hours long - e.g Joshua's Long Day. "sunset to sunset" isn't adequate either, as the first few days there was no sun to set, "evening to evening" isn't adequate, because you then need to define "evening" during the first few days, as "sunset" doesn't work, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 2/26/16


\\ If you are trying to convince us ...\\

How many people do you think you are, jerry?

Or is your screen name a collective pseudonym for a committee?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/25/16


cluny: "Doesn't surprise me. Your vision has always been pretty limited."


If you are trying to convince us that you are NOT petty, juvenile and irrelevant, you're missing the mark badly.



---jerry6593 on 2/25/16


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\\I can't conceive why anyone ...\\

Doesn't surprise me. Your vision has always been pretty limited.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/16


monk: "Jerry, when will you get it through your head that I am not an evolutionist?"

My apologies. I can't conceive why anyone would argue against the clear biblical narrative of a six day Creation week except to allow time for the Darwinian fable. Can you? And yet your pope does.


Isn't it strange that no Christian believed such nonsense until the time of Darwin.



---jerry6593 on 2/24/16


Jerry said, "I was speaking in terms you Evolutionists could understand."

Jerry, when will you get it through your head that I am not an evolutionist?

I have repeatedly pointed to the fact that Darwin was deluded, and a loon. What part of this do you not understand?

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/24/16


/jerry6593: You keep saying: the Bible says that God took six normal days, and hence our normal week.
No, it doesn't. The Bible says God took six DAYS. It does not, in any way, QUALIFY what kind of days these were.\-StrongAxe on 2/22/16
-As a matter of fact, the Bible does qualify what kind of days those were.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
-It is the same qualifiers we use today to determine a normal day - 1 daytime, 1 nighttime, 1 morning, 1 evening - 1 normal day.
Don't you see that it is outside influences clouding your mind?
Would you like to discuss the influences that make it difficult to believe in a 6 normal day creation?
---micha9344 on 2/23/16


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monk: "Jerry, if God created the heavens and earth, and all of the creatures in six days, as you so vehemently proclaim, there IS NO such thing as the Cambrian period, or the Cambrian explosion."

I was speaking in terms you Evolutionists could understand. The Bible proclaims that all life on earth was created in six days. The fossil layers (starting with the Cambrian) were laid down some 1500 years later in Noah's flood. Why do you claim that the Bible is wrong here? If you have some scientific reasoning, bring it. I will understand it.



---jerry6593 on 2/23/16


jerry6593:

You keep saying: the Bible says that God took six normal days, and hence our normal week.

(emphasis mine).

No, it doesn't. The Bible says God took six DAYS. It does not, in any way, QUALIFY what kind of days these were. They may very well have been normal days. Or they may not have been. It doesn't say. But you (and others) insist on inserting "normal" or "24-hour" into scripture that does not use those terms. Why is that? Why are God's actual words not sufficient for you? Why do you feel the necessity to add more to them to clarify them? Do you think God's words were not clear enough? If so, perhaps he left them unclear for a reason.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/16


Jerry said, "It states that all life derives from existing life forms, but cannot explain the origin of life forms in the Cambrian explosion."

Jerry, if God created the heavens and earth, and all of the creatures in six days, as you so vehemently proclaim, there IS NO such thing as the Cambrian period, or the Cambrian explosion.

Monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 2/22/16


cluny: "There are, however, single-celled fossils in pre-Cambrian strata."

Yes, some bacteria and even some wormholes are found in the pre-flood layer (just as in the mud of the ocean floor today). But Evolution requires complex life forms in the pre-Cambrian from which those of the Cambrian evolved - AND THERE ARE NONE.

I still remember my Historical Geology professor's explanation of this from my college days. He said "It's a mystery". Some science, eh?



---jerry6593 on 2/22/16


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The last article I read. Stated that they think they may have found some fossils of single cell life. But many believed it to be wishful thinking.

Also there is no know way for single cells to spontaneously happen. Or become multicellular. Which is a point often made by those who teach intelligent design.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/22/16


\\It states that all life derives from existing life forms, but cannot explain the origin of life forms in the Cambrian explosion.\\

The Cambrian explosion was the result of multicellular organisms.

There are, however, single-celled fossils in pre-Cambrian strata.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/16


StrongAxe: "Those who believe in theistic evolution believe in a much greater and more miraculous God than those who don't."

Bunk!

Theistic Evolution is faulty religion combined with faulty science. It is the opiate of the cognitively dissonant mind.

It makes the Bible a lie in that it requires extremely long ages whereas the Bible says that God took six normal days, and hence our normal week.

It states that all life derives from existing life forms, but cannot explain the origin of life forms in the Cambrian explosion.

It requires transitional forms which are missing in the fossil record.

There exists no proof of any Evolution (other than hoaxes).


---jerry6593 on 2/21/16


Samuelbb7:

You wrote: The Bible says GOD created the heavens and the Earth. That GOD created life. Evolution denies all that.

Not necessarily. Evolution only says how complex forms developed from simpler forms - it says absolutly nothing about how simplest forms themselves came about (so it does not deny God).

Besides, which is a greater achievement - making a car, or making a factory that can build cars by itself? Creating many living beings, or creating one living being that can reproduce itself? Creating many species, or creating a chemical mechanism by which species can grow and adapt themselves?

Those who believe in theistic evolution believe in a much greater and more miraculous God than those who don't.
---StrongAxe on 2/20/16


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A sphere but bulges at the middle due it's spinning.

The Copernicus and Kepler argument was more about politics then the Bible.

The Theory of Evolution which I used to believe in. Starts with the premise of total naturalism. IE there is no god or supreme beings and everything must be explained by natural events.

The Bible says GOD created the heavens and the Earth. That GOD created life. Evolution denies all that.

So if we have to believe evolution. We have to deny that any god exists.

Now there is theistic evolution. Which works to combine the two. Along with intelligent design. They reject the standard evolution for one that has GOD involved.

agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/18/16


The earth is flat. I visited the observation deck and the view is fabulous. This was many years before cell phones and, alas, I left my camera in my room at the Last Chance Motel.
---Press_On on 2/18/16


The earth is flat.
---john1944 on 2/16/16


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