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New Covenant On Heart

"The Law" can mean anything from the writings of Moses to the sacrificial system to the Ten Commandments - depending on context. Which one is written on the heart in the New Covenant?

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"Which one is written on the heart in the New Covenant Jerry? The Truth, the whole Truth (Gen.-Rev.) & nothing but the Truth (John 14:6).
---Leon on 4/2/16


luke: "But the commandments had a beginning."

"And when was that luke? Doesn't that mean that some people were judged by a different standard than others?"
---jerry6593 on 4/1/16


You were already told. 430 yrs after Abraham received the promise.

Now go on pretending you haven't been told

And if someone was judged differently, who are you to judge God?

If you studied scripture you'd know
---James_L on 4/2/16


It is a good start to follow the Prophets.

Psalms 86:9
All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord, and shall glorify thy name.

Hag 2:7
And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

Isa 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Mark 11:17
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/1/16


Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
---jerry6593 on 3/26/16

This is a good start, jer. Christ, Jeremiah and Matthew are more specific, to those requiring the full truth.

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
---Trav on 3/31/16


Luke, I expected you to twist things. I said YOU have your selective pet verses to the exclusion of all others.

But your post says nothing of what the mystery is Luke. You say OT saints were Born again to SEE...but exactly what did they see? Remember this was HIDDEN until now. If they in fact SAW, then it wouldn't have been kept secret until NOW. I also SEE you still don't SEE. Nowhere is Paul teaching the Mystery is that only certain people were chosen for salvation. If that is what you THINK you see, then you are sadly mistaken. Colossians 1:24-27 tell us WHAT the Mystery is, and nowhere does it say what you say it says. And believe it or not the New Covenant is also NOT the Mystery that was HIDDEN until now.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/16




Secondly Luke, Romans 12: 1-2 tell us that one must present themselves a living sacrifice in order to SEE AND KNOW HIS WILL. And that leads to our transformed mind to know His will. This is not something you KNOW in an instant. The process of transforming our mind is not an overnight or instant walla! This too is something that takes OBEDIENCE ON YOUR PART FIRST. So again, there goes your theory on SEEING BEFORE you believe.. no one has to SEE the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. No one can SEE THAT. bUt one CAN believe the witnesses of those who did...and that is called faith.
---kathr453 on 3/31/16


Jesus draws all to him. Because he said so. We know we aren't saved by works because Jesus says so.

Luke 17:7-10
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken, and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

See Matthew 25.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/16


David The Love of God is a love of works ! But that does not save a person It Faith a gift of God To some or all ? 2 Thessalonians 3:2 Thessalonians 1:8 Now there are people in history and even now that have not heard the gospel ! So how can this be not a selective thing going on ?
---RichardC on 3/31/16


luke: "But the commandments had a beginning."

And when was that luke? Doesn't that mean that some people were judged by a different standard than others?



---jerry6593 on 4/1/16


Kath, you now give:
"Luke, THE MYSTERY is spoken 6 times in Ephesians...MORE than any other book in scripture. Eph1:9 mystery of his will,"

Kath, what do you think he made known to us (saints)?
In the context of this passage and not another, He made known to us the mystery of His will. He opened our eyes, and made us understand what His will was. When we were lost we didn't know anything about God. We didn't believe in Him or love Him. Now the Spirit is showing us day by day what His will is. Don't you get it? why can you not see? Your eyes have to be opened first.
You call the words of God pet verses. Is that what you believe God's words are? What is wrong with you?
---Luke on 3/31/16




David Those who serve him, How in the world does that not become a save by works gospel ?
---RichardC on 3/30/16

Richard
That's a good question, a question Jesus answered in (John 14:21). But the verse is misunderstood, because most become acquainted with mans teaching of Grace, long before they read about the Lords teaching of Grace.

And because they have put their trust in their teachers, they simply don't accept the Lords teaching. Just one of the many foibles of mankind, which man must overcome, if they choose to follow the Lord.

The Truth?
Grace is Gods love, and God saves those he loves. And in (John 14:21) Jesus clearly tells us, God loves those who live in obedience to his commandments.
---David on 3/31/16


David Those who serve him,How in the world does that not become a save by works gospel ? But if you come from the stand point I do Good Work because of Faith and those works don't Save me Christ does To me that seems to work This would have to be a act of God!
---RichardC on 3/30/16


Luke, THE MYSTERY is spoken 6 times in Ephesians...MORE than any other book in scripture. Eph1:9 mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery, (as I wrote afore in few words,3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ. 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
---kathr4453 on 3/28/16


Luke, I believe the problem is you have only studies your favorite pet verses to the exclusion of all others OR what is meant by those pet verses. Colossians CLEARLY tell us WHAT THE MYSTERY IS. And it is the VERY SAME MYSTERY Paul speaks of in Ephesians. All supporting scripture as David said we need to adhear to if we want the TRUTH...the WHOLE TRUTH. Even in Ephesians Paul says it was God's purpose BEFORE the foundation of the world. Now to be clear, no one was ALREADY " IN CHRIST" before the foundation of the world.
---kathr453 on 3/28/16


Luke
Ephesians 1:4-6 is very good evidence to prove your belief, if it's says what you believe it says. You Made me look twice.

The problem with all false doctrines is the evidence against them. You must make this evidence fit into your belief too, and if you can't, that proves the doctrine false.This is why more than one witness is required to confirm the truth.

In Ephesians 1:4-6, God is talking about his plan, a plan in place before the foundation of the world. His plan to save some of us, to save those of us who serve him, those who have made him Lord.
---David on 3/28/16


Kath, you now added to the passage when you said:
"The problem Luke is YOU don't understand the verses you just posted. That verse is built upon the Gospel according to the MYSTERY, which was kept secret but now revealed"

What you did is add something not in the passage at all. It is in your own mine. It says nothing about a mystery. Paul is speaking to the saints in Ephesus. He told the saints that "we" speaking of the saints are chosen before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame, having predestined the saints to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ Himself. In Him we have redemption. Nothing about any mystery, or the gospel.
---Luke on 3/28/16


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Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence.19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell,20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
---kathr4453 on 3/28/16


Colossians 1:23 ------ which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister,24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God,26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

THIS Luke is what was predestined.
---kathr453 on 3/28/16


So now Luke, here I have posted Colossians 1. And as you continue to read chapters 2-3 and 4 of Colossians, it gets better and better.

This is exactly what Paul is saying in Ephesians. Look for yourself and see how many times the MYSTERY is what Paul is talking about in Ephesians and how many times he says THE MYSTERY. Only Christ was foreordained. The CHURCH was foreordained. YOU WERE NOT IN HIM before the foundation of the world.
---kathr4454 on 3/28/16


Luke: "But the commandments had a beginning."

And when was that Luke? Doesn't that mean that some people were judged by a different standard than others?


---jerry6593 on 3/28/16


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The problem Luke is YOU don't understand the verses you just posted. That verse is built upon the Gospel according to the MYSTERY, which was kept secret but now revealed, that before the foundation of the world, there would be a CHURCH, consisting of the HEAVENLY BODY of believers, who are the BODY Of CHRIST. That out of this world, a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST, would come to be who will share in His GLORY. That is what the HOPE OF GLORY IS. And it would not be to earthly Israel , but to Jews and Gentiles making one NEW MAN IN CHRIST offered to all in THIS DISPENSATION called the church age. That we are SONS AND JOINT HEIRS WITH CHRIST. That one day HE will present to Himself a CHURCH, without spot or wrinkle. The CHURCH WAS PREDESTINED.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/16


Kath, you said:
" You HEARD THE GOSPEL, and believed, and THEN you're New Birth happened, just as Ephesians 1 makes clear."

Here is what Eph. 1 says:
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. Having predestine us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved." Eph. 1:4-6.
Did you get that? All believers and those who will come to Christ were chosen before the foundation of the world, according to the good pleasure of His will.
---Luke on 3/27/16


RichardC, even a wicked heart can have faith in something they first heard and then believed. God is still the one to transform our lives after we believe and put our faith In Him to do the transformation. Calling on the Lord and asking HIM to change our life is FAITH, not works. So we hear the Gospel, and His WORD in power CONVICTS our wicked hearts that we are sinners in need of a Savior. Then when one believes in Him and puts their trust in Him to save our wicked souls, God then JUSTIFIES the sinner and imputes, not imparts the righteousness of Christ to the sinner. THEN we are baptized into Christ's DEATH, and raised a NEW CREATURE, aka being Born AGAIN IN CHRIST so that now we become partakers of His divine nature.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/16


"Because everyone born is condemned already, they are born in sin..."
---Luke on 3/26/16
That's a silly assumption

Philosophical Christianity at its worst
---James_L on 3/27/16


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Sorry to intervene

All in Bood line of adam !

Psalms 51 5 Behold in I was shape iniquity and did sin did my mother conceive me

With heart a man believeth - Romans 1O:13 Man changes his own heart or God ? The heart of man is wicked -------------- |> Jeremiah 17:5 Man can Change him self ? That would be saved by good works1 Doesn't work
---RichardC on 3/26/16


13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!


Luke, YOU SAID they WERE condemned.....

Correct everyone Is condemned at birth. No one was condemned before they were born. You HEARD THE GOSPEL, and believed, and THEN you're New Birth happened, just as Ephesians 1 makes clear.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/16


Kath, for your information I did not tweet anything from the passage. John was not confused when he wrote that passage. "But he who does not believe is condemned already,"
Hello? "is condemned already"
Don't you understand why he said that? Because everyone born is condemned already, they are born in sin and have not believed in Jesus. Those that do are not condemned. "There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ" Pretty simple Kath.
---Luke on 3/26/16


Luke: "Don't you even understand the condition of the lost?"

Sure I do. We're all lost. But the good news is that Christ came to save the lost.

Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.



---jerry6593 on 3/26/16


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You can't be condemned already in the "past" tense, as in "WERE", when the condemnation came because they did not believe. This is saying , as Mormons do believe as well that they all preexisted before the foundation of the world, and some in their spirit baby existance failed to believe, while other spirit babies did.

So Luke, How ELSE can anyone believe or not believe, being condemned already...as in a past tense "were" except .........

This :
The TRUTH IS, everyone IS condemned already because in Adam all die. Including LUKE.....who now has HEARD, and claims he NOW, believes. NO ONE was condemned before they were even born, or saved before they were born.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/16


I am glad we agree Luke. Maybe I was just saying it the wrong way before. But I am glad we agree now.

I think we can also agree that our love of GOD causes us to respect his name. Have no others gods. Not build cheap imitations and pray to them. That we love to spend time with our Father.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/25/16


Jerry, I said:
"The lost, those without Christ, will go to the Great White Throne of Judgement. It fact they were condemned already"

And you said: "That sounds like predestination."

Don't you even understand the condition of the lost? If you don't how can you even know you are saved?
Now maybe John was teaching predestination when he said:
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil" John 3:18,19.
---Luke on 3/25/16


The lost, those without Christ, will go to the Great White Throne of Judgement. It fact they were condemned already,
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Begotten Son of God." John 3:18. they are there for sentencing.
---Luke on 3/24/16

It's funny how Luke uses a verse and slightly tweets one word, changing it's whole meaning. Paul NEVER SAID THEY WERE CONDEMNED ALREADY.

Pay close attention people. They're guys are crafty.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/16


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If a person has the love of Christ, he is not going to murder, steal, or any other thing towards another.
---Luke on 3/25/16


Luke
Paul also agrees in (Romans 13:10).
But how does that fit your doctrine which says, a "Genuine Believer" sins?

When a "Genuine Believer" steals, lies, kills, or commits Adultery aren't they doing harm to another? If not, explain where Paul was wrong in (Romans 13:9).
---David on 3/25/16


Samuel, you finally said something that I agree with. No genuine believer is going to do anything to hurt another. If a person has the love of Christ, he is not going to murder, steal, or any other thing towards another. In face when we show that love to others who are lost, they see the difference in us. And when they are going to do anything worldly or speak dirty, they are careful not to hurt our feelings, they say those dirty things away from us. At least with me they do it away from me. They even cuss away from us.
---Luke on 3/25/16


Luke: "Jerry, believers in Christ are judge differently. They go to the Judgment Seat of Christ, where the bad is burned while losing some gifts. But they will be rewarded for the good they did."

This is not what the Bible teaches. God is no respecter of persons. There are sheep & goats, wheat & tares. It's black & white - no gray areas. All are judged by the Ten Commandments. The sins forgiven by Christ are not brought even up.


"The lost, those without Christ, will go to the Great White Throne of Judgement. It fact they were condemned already"

That sounds like predestination.


---jerry6593 on 3/25/16


"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart, you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up" (Deuteronomy 6:5-7).
"You shall lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul" (Deuteronomy 11:18).
"For this commandment which I command you today, it is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
---kathr4453 on 3/25/16


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Amen Luke Christians are under the Spirit of the law.

That spirit of Christ causes us to love others. How does love act?

Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love goes above and beyond the letter. It helps others who need it. Matthew 25. We are to love GOD also. But those who say they are saved and don't have the Spirit of love are lying to themselves.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/16


David: "Why would God put his law into their hearts, when they don't believe they are under the law of God?"
Hence the blog question. It would be humorous if it weren't so serious. --jerry6593 on 3/24/16


Jerry
That's true, but I tend to look at the irony in false church teachings. They follow the illogical teachings of men, and claim these teachings come from the wisdom of God.

But when they are shown just how illogical theses teachings are, which is proof they do not come from God, they protect them like a mother protects her child.

I show them how illogical they are, not to make them feel foolish, but to display the foolishness of the false teaching.
---David on 3/24/16


Jerry:
"Luke: "But the commandments had a beginning."

And when was that Luke? Doesn't that mean that some people were judged by a different standard than others?"


Jerry, believers in Christ are judge differently. They go to the Judgment Seat of Christ, where the bad is burned while losing some gifts. But they will be rewarded for the good they did.
The lost, those without Christ, will go to the Great White Throne of Judgement. It fact they were condemned already,
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Begotten Son of God." John 3:18. they are there for sentencing.
---Luke on 3/24/16


Samuel, the law does matter now. It is condemning all those without Christ. When all of them stand at the Great White Throne of Judgement they will be sentence for breaking God's law.
Believers in Christ do not go to the Great White Throne of Judgement, they have been forgiven of their sins. Jesus took their sins to the Cross. They are not under the written letter of the Law but under the Spirit of the law. Our salvation is a spiritual salvation.
---Luke on 3/24/16


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David: "Why would God put his law into their hearts, when they don't believe they are under the law of God?"

Hence the blog question. It would be humorous if it weren't so serious. God says "obey my Law", and "Christians" reply "NO! we don't need no stinkin' Law".




Luke: "But the commandments had a beginning."

And when was that Luke? Doesn't that mean that some people were judged by a different standard than others?



---jerry6593 on 3/24/16


The ten commandments are based on love God and love thy neighbor. As Paul shows in Romans 13. So they are eternal in that aspect.

All that matters now is they stand now.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/23/16


Jerry, you give:
"Psa 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment, all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness."

Jerry, the commandments now stand fast forever and ever. It says nothing about the law being eternal. Of course you could say that since God is the eternal the commandments are eternal. Eternal to mean there was no beginning, has being the same always. But the commandments had a beginning.
---Luke on 3/23/16


Jerry
I actually laughed when I read your question, and here's why.

The vast majority of church doctrines teach, "We are not under law, but under Grace", which to them means they are not under any law.

Now with that said,
Why would God put his law into their hearts, when they don't believe they are under the law of God?
---David on 3/23/16


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Michael: Please consider:

The Mercy Seat in the Hebrew Sanctuary represented the throne of God.

Beneath this seat were the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments.

The earthly Sanctuary was a copy of the one in heaven.

There exists a throne in the Sanctuary in heaven. It is God's seat, and God's Ten Commandment Law is thus beneath it - the very foundation of God's government. His Law is just as eternal as He is.

Christ said that as long as heaven and earth last, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.


---jerry6593 on 3/23/16


Well Micha I agree with everyone of these verses.

Gal 3:16-18 The seed is Jesus whom all the sacrifices and Old Testament pointed too. I count on this promise to save me.

Romans 10,4 True Jesus brings our righteousness not the law.

John 1:17 The sacrifices pointed to the Grace alone Jesus could bring.

None of these teach that the law does not still define sin. Nor does it explain Romans 3 where the law is to show all are sinners and established. Romans 6,13 which shows Christians are to not live in violation of the laws. They show us to love. Nor Matthew 5 where Jesus shows the law is above just not but to help others.

I don't get answers to these questions.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/22/16


/The law was not written down till Moses. But it was around before then.\.Samuelbb7 on 3/21/16
Gal 3:16-18 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
---micha9344 on 3/22/16


The law was not written down till Moses. But it was around before then.

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Cain and Abel knew about the sacrifice and it's purpose. Breaking the Ten Commandments has always been a sin. Since you have to not love to break the laws of the Ten Commandments. Romans 13:8,9. 1 John.

Sin is transgression of the law.

1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/16


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Luke: "The Ten Commandments are not eternal. They first came to Moses."

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Psa 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment, all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.



---jerry6593 on 3/22/16


Jerry, you said:
"The Ten Commandment Law is eternal, and is the foundation of God's government. It was in place since the creation, else Cain was wrongly convicted of murder."

The Ten Commandments are not eternal. They first came to Moses. Cain was guilty of murder, "because what may be known of God is manifested in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" Rom. 1:19,20.
Cain had no excuse. He was guilty just of being born, for everyone born after the fall is guilty of sin.
---Luke on 3/21/16


Thank you Micha
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/16


-Jesus, our High Priest:
Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
-Peter about us being priests:
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
---micha9344 on 3/18/16


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But there still is a priesthood. Jesus is our High Priest and Peter says we are Priests.

I am doing this from my new phone so I can't insert the Bible verse.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/16


James L: "So are you going to believe scriptures or...."

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.



---jerry6593 on 3/17/16


Jerry, you can philosophize and pontificate all you want, but until you say something that can ve supported with the same exact wording in scripture, it's merely opinion.

Hebrews 7:11-12 plainly says that on the basis of the priesthood the people received the Law.

The priesthood came first.

And Galatians 3:17 says the Law came 430 years after the promise to Abraham. Romans 4 says he was circumcised before the Law.

Argue with God about Cain's unjust conviction. I'm not interested in pseudo-Christian philosophy
---James_L on 3/16/16


James L: "The priesthood was established before the Law."

Not at all. The plan of salvation - the lamb slain from the foundation of the world - was established before the priesthood, but the Levitical system of ritual sacrifice - and the priesthood that performed it - was established through Moses who made his brother Aaron the first high priest.

The Ten Commandment Law is eternal, and is the foundation of God's government. It was in place since the creation, else Cain was wrongly convicted of murder.



---jerry6593 on 3/16/16


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"James L: "the Law came through the priesthood"

See the blog question. You have defined the Law as the Levitical priesthood sacrificial system."
---jerry6593 on 3/14/16
I did no such thing. I didn't say the Law is the priesthood, I said the Law came through the priesthood.

The priesthood was established before the Law.

All you have to do is read Hebrews 7-10 which absolutely, unequivocally joins the priesthood, the sacrifices, the rituals, the Law, the whole shebang.

Without the breaking of the commandments, what would the sacrifices mean?
---James_L on 3/15/16


James Scripture which you ignore.

Romans 3:20... for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 7:12
Romans 7:14

Romans 13:8,9 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Read Matthew 5, Romans 6, 1John and John 14.

Romans 3:31 by itself states you are wrong.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/14/16


James L: "the Law came through the priesthood"

See the blog question. You have defined the Law as the Levitical priesthood sacrificial system. This is definitely not the Law written on our hearts as Christ has fulfilled this prophecy on the cross.


---jerry6593 on 3/14/16


"Read Wesley, Martin Luther and Calvin all saying the Ten Commandments are for Christians...."
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/16

Yet Paul said the Law is the ministry of death, and the writer of Hebrews stated plainly that the Law came through the priesthood, that a change in priesthood necessarily brought a change in the Law.

So are you going to believe scriptures or Luther, Calvin and Wesley?
---James_L on 3/13/16


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Great question, for which there is no denying of the answer, for its written on your heart.

God gives his commands by using our conscience. Does your conscience bother you before you steal, lie, commit adultery, or kill?
Does your conscience bother you, when you do not help those in need?

If it does, these are the commands God has written on your heart. Obey them be blessed, or ignore them and be rebuked.

But to hear these commands, one must have a clear conscience before God. You can accomplish this by simply confessing your sins before God, every day.

Now if anyone wants to argue with me about this, confess your sins before you begin the argument.
---David on 3/13/16


Great point Bill. Great truth.
agape..
---Samuelbb7 on 3/11/16


Well put, Bill.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/16


Jesus Himself is "the Word of God", the living and love meaning of God's word. And Jesus Himself is being formed in us as our new inner Person > Galatians 4:19.

For example, if we are "poor in spirit" like Jesus, ours is the kingdom of Heaven, because Jesus in us is Heaven's very own!!! We are rich in Jesus, then > in our spirit we are poor . . . meaning we desire Jesus our Groom, and not only material riches or control.

We are peacemakers > Jesus shares with us His own peace > John 14:27 > which Jesus is experiencing and enjoying in Heaven. And this makes us samples and examples feeding one another, making peace in us (c:

This is how God writes in us . . . in reality, not only words!!!
---Bill on 3/10/16


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The two Great Torah Commandments were to love GOD and love others. As a Jewish lawyer pointed out and JESUS agreed to. Matthew 22 Luke 10.

The Ten Commandments are about love to GOD and love to others. Paul points out in Romans 13 love leads to obey the Ten Commandments.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/16


Cluny I don't think your kind words to me were there when I wrote what I did. I don't know why or how it wasn't but I missed it and I am so sorry I didn't thank you which I do now thank you for your kind words. I still wanted to see the Beatitudes so I looked them up and now understand that love was needed to live them.
---Darlene_1 on 3/9/16


\\Cluny you dismissed what was said by the two of us before you and gave the Beatitudes\\

Actually, Darlene, I had made my comment about the Beatitudes as soon as the question was put up.

Since the posts made by "two of us" had not appeared yet, I was hardly dismissing them.

I was answering jerry, not the other two, which, as I said, I had not read.

Or are you up set that I'm agreeing with you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/16


Cluny you dismissed what was said by the two of us before you and gave the Beatitudes instead now please give us the verses in the Bible to back that up. Something that says plainly they are written on the heart.
---Darlene_1 on 3/8/16


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Well put, Darlene.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/16


Which one is written on the heart in the New Covenant?
---jerry6593 on 3/8/16

Jer. 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people"

Torah is all understanding, instruction, precept, directives, commandments, and law.

God did not write His ten commandments on our hearts.

Jeremiah 31:33 says that God has promised to put His Torah inside us.

What better way to put His understanding, His Torah, inside us than to put His Spirit inside us?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/16


"Which one is written on the heart in the New Covenant?" Neither.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, has set us free of the law of sin and death. That law is summed up love the LORD, and your fellow man, and love does no harm, thus love fulfills the written law, whether on paper or stone. Therefore the law written upon the heart is referred to as the perfect law of liberty. The complete freedom in Christ to live as we should, bound by nothing.
---josef on 3/8/16


I have heard this all 613 of which the ten are only part. But that comes from non Jews.

The Bible points to the Ten Commandments as having a special role. Since they were give directly by GOD. They were placed in the ark of the Covenant. In Church history they have been considered as given to Christians also. Read Wesley, Martin Luther and Calvin all saying the Ten Commandments are for Christians.

I have researched a number of Orthodox sites which support the Ten Commandments as being for Christians.

They are based on Love GOD and love others. The basic tenets of the law of GOD.

If we love we obey for love.
Example Romans 13 and 6.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/16


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Neither.

It's the Beautitudes--the commandments that Jesus said were the "least" of His precepts.

The OT knows only ONE law--called The Law. The 613 commandments (of which the Decalogue was only 10) were all of one piece.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/16


Jerry 6593 Romans 5:5 God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit,who has been given to us. According to this and other verses it is love written on our hearts in the New Covenant. Jesus also commanded for us to love one another. Everything in the New Testament concerns us loving first God,Christ,and other Christians and others.
---Darlene_1 on 3/8/16


Now we are to observe the PRECEPTS/principles of goodness and peace in order to be accepted/"circumcised".

We are to have a truly caring heart (heart of flesh instead of a heart of stone).


Jas 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty

Eph 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them, I will take the stony heart out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
Eze 36:26 A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you, and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Rom 2:26 So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law

---faithforfaith on 3/8/16


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