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Do Christians Have To Vote

Do U.S. Christians have any citizen responsibilities towards the local, state and federal government(s) God has given authority over us?

A Christian lady recently told me she didn't like any of the presidential candidates, so she's voting for Mickey Mouse. Really?

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Mark_E: May we all pray in earnest about it in hopes we'll be able to choose wisely. Not just our USA domestic affairs, but world affairs is riding on it. The playing field is really, really Yuuuge! May our "praying field" be much HUGER to contain the global madness as the Lord wills it!!!
---Leon on 5/19/16


it's our obligation (responsibility) as Christians & U.S. citizens to vote
---Leon on 5/18/16

I agree but the choice is not merely a binary one. There are other alternatives.

Libertarians are on many ballots across the US. A write-in candidate is another option. Finally, abstention is always permissible.

I have abstained from voting for the POTUS (but voted for all the down-ballot races) for the last two Presidential elections.

At this juncture, I am either writing in a candidate or abstaining in the current Presidential election.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/16


It has been many years since we in the US had a person of integrity to vote for as president. This year will be no different. I for one am sick of holding my nose as I vote for the lesser of two evils.

Darlene is correct. There is much anti-Christian sentiment in the military leadership (as elsewhere) since the muslim-in-chief took power.


---Jerry6593 on 5/19/16


///...it's Our obligation as Christians and as Citizens to vote....look for... Christian values... don't vote for those that stand totally against Christian values...pray that you're making the right decision and [for God] to watch over those leaders that they may [lead the] country in the right direction.---Lee on 5/18/16///

Yes Lee, it's our obligation (responsibility) as Christians & U.S. citizens to vote for the political candidates that God ultimately places as government leaders, in authority over us, for purpose of law & order. We must definitely pray for God's guidance in the election voting process & continue to pray for the godly right direction of leaders after they're elected into positions of authority over us.
---Leon on 5/18/16


I think it's Our obligation as Christians and as Citizens to vote. even if the candidate or rather any of the candidates have all of our views. look for something in those candidates let me have some Christian values that you believe in and don't vote 4 those that stand totally against Christian values. and pray that you're making the right decision and to watch over those leaders that they may leave this country in the right direction
---Lee on 5/18/16




Travail: You obviously imagine enemies everywhere.

Many of the Psalms were written by King David, a man after God's own heart.
---Leon on 5/10/16

Ha... Davids scriptural enemies stand with rejects like poser.
David hated them, because GOD did. I'm guilty, of recognizing your allied defensive positions of, abortion, effems, liars, racist agendas.
Psa_139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Pro 6:16 six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet swift in running to mischief,
---Trav on 5/17/16


Travail: You obviously imagine enemies everywhere. That's probably because, in a state of paranoia, you & people like you are busy making enemies from out of an exagerated air of superiority that would cause you to dare & marginalize people culturally different from & who don't look like you.

Many of the Psalms were written by King David, a man after God's own heart. He really was being wrongfully persecuted. You, on the other hand? Guilty as sin!!!
---Leon on 5/10/16


cluny thank you. I said all of that showing you I don't have time.Also there's no use you wouldn't believe what ever I found. Look you are a very well read man and it will do more good if you look it up. Look up Men in Chaplin training told not to use Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 5/10/16


... Travail can't be reasoned with since he's full ...
---Leon on 5/9/16

Hey...I'll post ya some seasoning reasoning.

Psa_21:8 Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.
Psa_23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil, my cup runneth over.
Psa_27:11 Teach me thy way, O LORD, lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
Psa_27:12 Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, such as breathe out cruelty.
Eze_37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 5/10/16


I'm sorry you're so ill, Darlene.

Does this excuse you from not supporting your statement about our service members not being allowed to pray?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/16




Thanks Sam for your Christian attitude. However, Travail can't be reasoned with since he's full (has a legion stuffed in his bowels) of little pointy headed, hellraising, religious cross burning devils that torment him day n night.
---Leon on 5/9/16


Cluny I went to the doctor today,tomorrow to the beauty shop to get my hair done because I can't raise my right arm to do it. Wednesday begins 6 AM trip to appointment that lasts from 8 AM to 3 or 4 PM. Then we drive an hour or more to get back home. Traveling or sitting a long time puts me in bed for two or three days with inability to hardly move. Then Monday we go to Probate Court and don't know how long or days that will be. On top of all of it I got an antibiotic shot and medicine to try to control this sick headache I have that lasts for days. Also if you read what I wrote to Leon you will see I said I don't know what is true or propaganda. Maybe you didn't read the right news or go far enough. Old Adage,where there is smoke there's fire.
---Darlene_1 on 5/9/16


cluny is correct. There are many false news reports put out.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/16


\\Cluny that is so untrue I could back up what I said\\

Then why don't you back it up?

According to Snopes, it's UNTRUE that our service persons are not allowed to pray.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/16


Darlene, I googled "Soldiers forbidden to pray," and this is from the first hit I got:

\\Let us begin this by stating clearly that there is no regulation that specifies how a chaplain (or anyone else) can pray. That would constitute a government intrusion on religious freedom. \\

Obviously, you are not listening to trustworthy news sources.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/16


No Trav that would not be the wisest thing to do. That is just being hateful. We are not supposed to be hateful.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/16

Well Sam, it wasn't hate, it is blunt truth. Your opinion is really not a mover for me. Finding you a good humble guy but, your confused religious leaders/heroes and posts are not scripturally sound or found. Yes based on his whining history, it would be the wisest thing. His narrow defense of the present poser tells all. He cares about himself and his race at everyones elses cost.
He troubles his own house.

Pro_11:29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.
---Trav on 5/9/16


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Cluny that is so untrue I could back up what I said but you are a very grown man and quite capable of looking it up yourself and if you aren't interested enough to search I see no reason why I should bother.
---Darlene_1 on 5/9/16


A queen's influence does not equal final responsibility for the policies or judgments of the nation. If her influence is faulty, it is the King who will answer to God, not the queen.

Debra = prophetess = calling that does the direct bidding of God. She is not a monarch who sets policy for the society, or who receives influence from those in society.
---aservant on 5/8/16


aservant: Does final say determine a queen's legitimacy? No! A queen's influence "over" her king carries an awesome amount of power. The Bible shows that regarding Bathsheba, Jezebel, Esther, etc. Often a king's "final say" is been based upon what his queen has said.

What we're talking about here is God ordained/installed (Ro. 13) civil government authorities (monarchs & PRESIDENTS) to enforce law & order among nations. We're not talking about headship in the home or the church-house.
---Leon on 5/7/16


Look up the judge Deborah. Book of judges.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/16


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aservant: Athaliah's mother, Jezebel, was a sovereign (monarch) over God's people. (Bad Ruler)

Bathsheba. Also Queen Esther was a good queen who ruled over God's people.
(These had husbands over them. They did not have final say.)
---Leon on 5/5/16

Show Scripture where God orders the installation of a woman.
---aservant on 5/7/16


Darlene: One Base Commander ordered a Chaplain not to end his prayer(s) "in the name of Jesus". Why? The article didn't say, but it wasn't a lawful order. It violated the Chaplain's Constitutional rights (Freedom of speech & religion). The BC probably was fired...

Here's a parallel comparison between civilian & military authority: A BC is like a store manager responsible to a district & regional manager that's responsible to a corporate executive who is responsible to a senior corporate exec responsible to the president & CEO of the company, responsible to the Board of Directors & stock holders. Simply put, a BC is a very long way in authority from the Pentagon & Commander in Chief (POTUS). :)
---Leon on 5/6/16


Google "prayer banned in armed forces snopes" for the lowdown..
---john1944 on 5/6/16


In other words, Darlene, you can't back up what you said.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/16


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Cluny please search it out for yourself. I saw and heard it on the news.
---Darlene_1 on 5/6/16


aservant: Athaliah's mother, Jezebel, was a sovereign (monarch) over God's people. Obviously, just like her mother she was a very bad queen. Long before these two infamous women, there was Queen Bathsheba. Also Queen Esther was a good queen who ruled over God's people.

My point is God has allowed at times good & bad, male & female rulers, to fit the circumstances & times. I don't think we can say unequivocally that God didn't want then & doesn't want now any women as government heads of state.
---Leon on 5/5/16


\\instead of forbidding our service men & women to pray. \\

Darlene, if our armed forces are forbidden to pray, why are there chapels on US military bases and military chaplains all over the world?

Why do our service academies have cadet chapels?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/16


///Leon you are right America had better be wise about their choice... instead of forbidding our service men & women to pray. Also I'm never sure what is fact and what is propaganda. It's hard for Americans to know fact from fiction therefore Christians really need to make it a point to pray for America every day.---Darlene_1 on 5/5/16///

Darlene: What's wise is to hold what the party candidates say & do up to the light of Scripture. Don't listen to the squawk radio talking heads who tout the hidden agendas of political special interest groups.

I'm a 26 year military veteran/retiree & I know for a fact military members DO have Constitutional guaranteed freedom of religion.
---Leon on 5/5/16


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No Trav that would not be the wisest thing to do. That is just being hateful. We are not supposed to be hateful.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/16


QUEEN Athaliah was the ONLY female sovereign in all of Israel or Judah. There were 42 males. By God's own example, does He generally want females ruling His people?

Isaiah 3:12
(Darby) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. My people! they that guide thee mislead thee, and destroy the way of thy paths.

(JUB) The oppressors of my people are many, and women rule over him. O my people, those who lead thee cause thee to err and twist the way of thy paths.

(KJV) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
---aservant on 5/5/16


Trav said, "Ya sorta mean like tonsured... self validating robed ones. Tooting their rcc universal superior trumpet?"

Thank you for that response Trav. I appreciate how much Christian Charity you're willing to share with me.

Tonsure is not self-aggrandizement. It is self-effacement. We wear robes so that there can be no jealousy about how rich or how poor the person was before he entered.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/5/16


Such a terrible choice it is...
---john1944 on 5/5/16


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Okay folks, who is it going to be: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump ... Choose wisely America! The future of the world is at stake here.
---Leon on 5/5/16

The wisest thing America could do would be to choose the opposite of your choice. What evil are you defending/promoting this time Leon?
Hmmm, you appear anti-Trump. So I'm for him.
Go on a tirade, make me want to donate, work for and promote him.
Then, tell us about Hilliary your girl...or satan's lil sister.

Psa_44:5 Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us.
Psa_44:7 But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us.
---Trav on 5/5/16


Leon you are right America had better be wise about their choice. Evil is on the move all over the world and our Country had better show it's Christian strength instead of forbidding our service men and women to pray. Also I'm never sure what is fact and what is propaganda. It's hard for Americans to know fact from fiction therefore Christians really need to make it a point to pray for America every day.
---Darlene_1 on 5/5/16


Okay folks, who is it going to be: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump (aka Phineas T. Bluster), Paul Ryan, Elmo, Mickey Mouse...? Who do you want to have access to the nuclear football? Who do you want to represent the national interests of the USA & engage in diplomatic relations with other nations around the world? Choose wisely America! The future of the world is at stake here.
---Leon on 5/5/16


2Tim 2:21 . . . They will be set apart for the master's use, prepared to do good things.
2Tim 3:17 They equip God's servants so that they are completely prepared to do good things.
Heb 10:24 . . . consider how to encourage each other to show love and to do good things.
Heb 13:16 Don't forget to do good things for others . . .
1Pet 3:11 They must turn away from evil and do good . . .

2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
---aservant on 4/23/16


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Be careful Leon! If you don't, there might be a lightning bolt or two headed your way. God doesn't like HYPOCRISY!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16

Ya sorta mean like tonsured... self validating robed ones. Tooting their rcc universal superior trumpet?

Mat_6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
---Trav on 4/11/16


Yet more monkey business from the mad Monk? smh
---Leon on 4/9/16


We are to submit to governing authority, but we are not to do everything it says. Acts says, "Judge for yourself whether it is right to obey you or God?" We are to give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's as such pay tax and show respect. Of voting, candidates are often a disappointment, and the U.S. as well as the church are further and further away from the Bible.
---mike4879 on 4/8/16


Leon said, "Most Christians are spiritual babies. That's because a great many of us don't regularly read the Bible, don't pray & meditate on what it says, & don't daily attempt to walk in what we know to be true from the Bible. A multitude of us are whiny milk drinkers instead of being spiritually mature meat eaters. "

Be careful Leon! If you don't, there might be a lightning bolt or two headed your way. God doesn't like HYPOCRISY!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16


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Most Christians are spiritual babies. That's because a great many of us don't regularly read the Bible, don't pray & meditate on what it says, & don't daily attempt to walk in what we know to be true from the Bible. A multitude of us are whiny milk drinkers instead of being spiritually mature meat eaters. That's likely why God first had prophets, Judges & now pastors, elders, etc., (people who listened to, followed, obeyed & spoke on behalf of Him, & led God's people ~ the sheep ~ in the Way).

Church, under-shepherds lead the milky mouthed masses in an effort to help them grow up into responsible & mature saints who choose to make wise decisions for the kingdom of God while assembled, as citizens, here on earth.
---Leon on 4/3/16


Nurse Robert said, " You don't have to vote, but don't complain about the Government if you don't."

I would go one step further. If you don't vote, then you can't morally complain about the Government
---Monk_Brendan on 3/30/16


///...We need to be careful how we vote. We should pray and look to see what the Bible says about what kind of person to vote for. We should be careful. Not just go with we feel. Or a political party.---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/16///

True Samuel. :) Our individual vote should represent our choice, as followers of Christ, to do so by God's leading. The Bible clearly shows an assortment of leaders, some good & some bad, who were given to rule (govern) BY GOD over the people of God during various periods of history. As it was in the past, so it is today.
---Leon on 3/27/16


Leon said, "John9346: Can you direct your questions to the blog(s) I may have made those statements? This blog has nothing to do with what you seek answers for. Thank you."

Sir, with all do respect to you, you should not make fabricated and equivocating statements about an entire group of people and when asked you refuse to provide a factual and historical response...

Just remember the following and please remember before making such statements in the future:



"Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight."

Prov 12:22






---john9346 on 3/27/16


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Correct Leon

We need to be careful how we vote. We should pray and look to see what the Bible says about what kind of person to vote for.

We should be careful. Not just go with we feel. Or a political party.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/16


Leon:

God gives government authority over us, but in a democracy WE have authority over government by voting. This is the beauty of democracy - if we don't like our rulers, we have legitimate means to replace them (without having to resort to rebellion, insurrection, revolution, assassination, etc.)


Bill:

Voting for a candidate unlikely to win gives you moral high ground to say, "Don't blame me - I voted for the other guy". Voting for a third-party candidate (even "Miss Piggy") lets you say, "Don't blame me - I didn't vote for either of them!". Such votes are valid choices (although you're usually better off voting for the lesser of two evils, than letting the greater evil win by default.)
---StrongAxe on 3/26/16


Sam: In the prophet Samuel's day, the Israelites said in a loud voice, "give us a king just like all the other nations" though they already had the King of Kings leading them. They voice chose (cast their vote of confidence) to be governed by an earthly ruler instead.

Well, be careful of what you ask for because you just might get it! And so it was, God gave them just what they had "voice voted" for, however with dire consequences to follow. (1 Sam. 8-12)

Likewise, on Good Friday, the assembled crowd was given the opportunity to vote (chose) either to spare the life of Jesus or Barabbas. We all know how that election (people's choice) turned out for "The King of the Jews".
---Leon on 3/25/16


Governments in the days the Bible was written had no elections.

As Christians we should vote for the best one who will protect the rights of people and work to do the right thing. True it is hard to pick sometimes. But we are to oppose evil. If you don't vote you are doing nothing.

Christians are never to just sit on their hands and do nothing.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/25/16


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First, I am in question about how many Americans are qualified to vote, myself included.

But, though I realize I have such limitations, I for a while was tempted to write in "Miss Piggy". But now I realize God wants us to respect our governing authorities, and so that would not be right.

But from the little I have been able to pick up, I am in question that we have any candidate whom we have seen, who is qualified even just to be running.

None of them seem able to rule their situation by keeping attention with real issues and informing the public reliably and keeping control away from petty fighting, which I think a qualified person can do.
---Bill on 3/25/16


Good points Rita_H. As a Babyboomer, I've seen a few new generations come on the scene in recent years. There's one thing I've observed every time a new crop of people show up & turn 18-21. They're instantly easy prey for the career government politicians who are like Pan or the Pied Piper playing to naive, uninformed, easy to led & dupe children who really don't have a clue as to how government should work for them.

You're right, it seems the people who complain the loudest & should be the most informed as to who is best qualified to serve in government, they're the ones who don't even vote. That's very sad. smh
---Leon on 3/24/16


///The bible [says] pray... not vote for them. Only the poor in faith feel...they have to vote for their...slave masters. [It's] a perfectly informed choice not to vote...if you went to university you should now they all bat for the same team.---Carla on 3/24/16///

Carla: Praying & voting are individual choices we can choose or not to actively engage in. But, I don't believe having a defeatist attitude is Bible centric. God established government.

The Bible shows how the prophets, apostles, disciples, as they were led by the Holy Spirit, were all very actively engaged in influencing & changing the direction of cultures & governments. I think believer's are called to be activist wherever we lives.
---Leon on 3/24/16


In Australia we are obliged to vote. Each vote contributes approx $3 to political candidates to cover their costs of political campaigning.

Those who refuse to vote face fines.
But an alternative option is to do an informal vote which does not count because it fails to specify which candidate is being voted for. The informal vote is simply registering to vote (thus avoiding any fine) but then your vote is ultimately discarded due to its deliberate ambiguity or other efforts to not indicate any vote on the voting slip.

BTW, a couple of the KKK's founding members were also leading members of the Democrats.
---Haz27 on 3/25/16


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In the U.K. we are free to vote or not vote but I always feel sad that many choose not to bother. Those who don't bother always seem to be the ones who do the complaining when the 'wrong' candidate was elected.

I have never failed to vote since I was given the right to do so at the age of 21. Now the age is 18 because, here, 18 year olds are considered to be adult. That is debatable of course!!!
---Rita_H on 3/24/16


Some Members of the KKK were southern Baptist in the 1800's. A few Baptist churches still have KKK members.

But the Southern Baptist which is a loose confederation of churches is not a regular denomination. They have come out against racism decades ago.

Yes Christians have a responsibility to vote. We are to see how GOD leads us and vote with our heads and hearts.

AGape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/16


John9346: Can you direct your questions to the blog(s) I may have made those statements? This blog has nothing to do with what you seek answers for. Thank you.
---Leon on 3/24/16


The bible said to pray for them , not vote for them. Only the poor in faith feel that they have to vote for their own slave masters.It is a perfectly informed choice not to vote, I mean if you went to university you should now they all bat for the same team.
---Carla on 3/24/16


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You don't have to vote, but don't complain about the Government if you don't.
---NurseRobert on 3/24/16


Leon you said, "The KKK came exclusively out of Southern Baptist congregations & they murdered untold numbers of African-Americans, etc."

Sir,would you provide me the Historical Facts on your statement?

Leon states, "I think Southern Baptist evangelicals are very similar to the Islamic radical group ISIS."

Sir, Would you explain this in more detail?

Can you give examples?
---john9346 on 3/24/16


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