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Who Can Interpret Scripture

Who has the authority to interpret Scripture?

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Thanks Monk Bredan.

I had always heard it as opposed. You are correct the word comes from those who smash icons because they oppose them as idols.

My definition is the more modern one. So I was partially correct.

Exodus 25:19 Numbers 7:89 Hebrews 9,5 are about the Cherubs on the Ark of the Covenant which they couldn't see.

Nor do they pray to the Cherubs and ask them for help. They didn't bow to the Cherubs but to GOD alone. So how do this give you permission to bow to statues and pictures?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/9/16


Ruben: You say your point was not to debate, but yet you persist in debating the issue. (SMH) Your cognitive ability to reasonably focus on substantive issues is significantly in question. You sound like someone who is chemically imbalanced & off of their meds.
---Leon on 4/9/16


Samuel BB said, "The word iconoclasts comes from history when Christians opposed the use of statues and pictures as part of worship."

It means "icon smashing," and it was ruled a heresy by the 7th Ecumenical Council in 787 A.D. Scriptural basis for the veneration of icons and other holy images comes from Exodus 25:19 sqq., Numbers 7:89, Hebrews 9:5 sqq., Ezekiel 41:18, and Genesis 31:34,
---Monk_Brendan on 4/8/16


I believe in his words of eating his flesh and drinking his blood. But you will say it is symbolic, who is correct and why if we are going with what the bible says?
---Ruben on 3/29/16///
---Leon on 4/8/16

Leon.

It was not to debate on it but point out "

But you will say it is symbolic, who is correct?

Which you did not answer.
---Ruben on 4/9/16


The Problem Nicole is Protestants look at people bowing and praying to statues and see that as worship.

I know the RCC has redefined it. But it looks like and sounds like and seems to be worship of saints. It looks no different then Hindus do to their idols.

It is like the old expression if it looks like a duck, quakes like a duck and acts like a duck. Then it is a duck.

The word iconoclasts comes from history when Christians opposed the use of statues and pictures as part of worship.

Just pray to Jesus and think about it.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16




Luke* Ruben, first of all I am not infallible in interpreting the Bible.

Which means your interpretation of a scripture could be wrong:)

Luke* Leon and I do not agree on every little detail, but on most important facts in Scripture we agree on.

Both of you have claim that you are led by God and the Holy Spirit when it comes to scripture. Shouldn't you both agree with each other?

Luke "For the Christian, what is the pillar and ground of truth, is it the Bible?"
The only truth is the Word of God.

The word of God tells us the Church is the pillar and ground of truth ( 1 Tim 3:15)


Luke * Man has added so many things for their own cause.

Like your belief in OSAS:)

---Ruben on 4/8/16


///...In the Gospel of John 6:52 and on we read where they ask him a question:

" How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

These are Jesus answer to the question,

" Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood you have no life in him."

" Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood, I will raise him up on the last day.

" For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink."

I believe in his words of eating his flesh and drinking his blood. But you will say it is symbolic, who is correct and why if we are going with what the bible says?
---Ruben on 3/29/16///
---Leon on 4/8/16


The worship of idols in the RCC is the worse. And the church allows it to go on year after year.---Luke

If it were true.

IT ISN'T TRUE.

I know because I am Catholic.

The RCC always teaches the 1st Commandment, reminding us this includes NOT just statues, but worshipping monies, food, success and or anything else placed above God in our heart.

Luke, I don't know your heart and neither do YOU know my heart. Only God knows our hearts.

Debate on what is in the CCC and not in your mistaken VIEW of the RCC.

We have all over beliefs in writing!

Please go look it up and debate on it's substances, not on what is made up in your mind.

BTW, the whole CCC is FREE online.

Matthew 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/8/16


Luther felt anyone was able to interpret the Bible more well than the pope just by having a Bible in his hand. Jesus asked, "How do you interpret it?" More often, the gospels ask, "What is written?" and the answer "It is written." And no one is to go beyond that.
---mike4879 on 4/8/16


Ruben: I don't like discussing off topic things, e.g., OSAS, on the blogs of others people. It's rude behavior. If you want to discuss the matter start a blog.
---Leon on 4/7/16

Leon,

First of all this blog is about who can interpret scripture, but yet you wanted to debate with me about Jesus say to eat his real flesh. Second I said nothing about discussing OSAS, read before you say something. Then you mention back a few days ago there is something wrong with me, How rude is that:)
---Ruben on 4/8/16




Ruben, first of all I am not infallible in interpreting the Bible. The Holy Spirit does not revile everything to me at one time. It is a life time of learning. Also, Leon and I do not agree on every little detail, but on most important facts in Scripture we agree on.
You also said:
"For the Christian, what is the pillar and ground of truth, is it the Bible?"
The only truth is the Word of God. Because it is the Word of God not the word of man. Man has added so many things for their own cause. The Catholic Church did that so many times. The worship of idols in the RCC is the worse. And the church allows it to go on year after year.
---Luke on 4/8/16


All of us will answer to GOD for what we teach, say and do. So I believe we should seek to understand. We don't have the authority to tell others what to believe. We can only present the Bible and let the Holy Spirit be their teacher.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16


Ruben: I don't like discussing off topic things, e.g., OSAS, on the blogs of others people. It's rude behavior.---Leon on 4/7/16

WHAT?

Leon, you are the cruelest person on CN!

Matthew 7:5

BTW, do you own CN?
Stop telling people what to do.

Let the Moderators decide what gets posted or not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/7/16


Ruben: I don't like discussing off topic things, e.g., OSAS, on the blogs of others people. It's rude behavior. If you want to discuss the matter start a blog.
---Leon on 4/7/16


Trav said,
You come here as a "monk". Which you hope validates you..."
Trav, first, I do not need, nor do I seek YOUR validation.
I have never kissed the pope's ring. I would kiss his hand, as that it the proper custom in greeting a superior in our Church. The pastor at our parish, our Bishop and others like that I will kiss their hand.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16

Re-title yourself the kissing monk.
Validated to me? Too late, you are validated. As being in a servant follower in a cultic church, with cultic leaders. Submissively kissing their cultic hands. Worrying your cultic beads.

Jer 31:11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
---Trav on 4/7/16


\\Then you would be pooping Jesus real flesh. \\

This is precisely the heresy of Stercoarianism, from the Latin word STERCUS, the exact cognate of the taboo English word that starts with S.

Keep up the good work!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/7/16


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Luke* Ruben, I do not disagree with Leon on any passages. In fact I agree in his answers very much.

Luke, I know that Leon and you do not believe in the exact thing using scripture. I do not recall if Leon believes in OSAS, maybe he will tell us.

Luke* I disagree with your interpretation of the passages. Because you believe in the Catholic Church.

For the Christian, what is the pillar and ground of truth, is it the Bible?

Luke* I believe for every passage in one area of Scripture, there is another passage that speaks of the same topic in another area of Scripture.
Eating Jesus real flesh is not possible.

Are you infallible when it comes to interpreting the Bible?
---Ruben on 4/7/16


Ruben, I do not disagree with Leon on any passages. In fact I agree in his answers very much. I disagree with your interpretation of the passages. Because you believe in the Catholic Church. That is why they say, believe in the Catholic Church. So you do. If they say jump off an overpass you will.
I believe for every passage in one area of Scripture, there is another passage that speaks of the same topic in another area of Scripture.
Eating Jesus real flesh is not possible. It cannot become His real flesh once the bread goes in you mouth. Then you would be pooping Jesus real flesh. You just don't see your error. And don't want to see it.
---Luke on 4/6/16


Trav said, "But, sir you are visible and you made sure you would be.
You come here as a "monk". Which you hope validates you..."


Trav, first, I do not need, nor do I seek YOUR validation. I don't give a flip what you think of me. As far as validation is concerned, I care only about God, not you. I have never kissed the pope's ring. I would kiss his hand, as that it the proper custom in greeting a superior in our Church. The pastor at our parish, our Bishop and others like that I will kiss their hand.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16


Trav said, "It validates you daily as a scripturally confused person serving a political system."

How many times do I have to point out that the whole Catholic/Orthodox Church is NOT a political system. We are the Mother Church from which all the other churches--including your "I stay at home and worship God there" church have sprung from. Luther and Calvin were both Catholic before they split away from the Church.

"Calling itself universal, with one body, and many gargoyle heads. Would that you were not entrenched..."

The only thing I am entrenched in is the Love of Christ! Why you can't get that into your poor pitiful soul is beyond me.

I'm praying for you,
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16


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Trav, both jerry and Samuelbb7 have presented themselves as SDA elders.

Do you think they are hoping that validates them?
---Cluny on 4/5/16

Yes, a similar error. Occasionally they boast of preaching or teaching, trying to give credibility to themselves, or diatribe. Having a title given by men...makes them a legend in their own minds.

They wouldn't need these label/title crutches of blind men's doctrine if they could provide/stack/build with all scriptural witnesses for proof of their faulty doctrines.

1Ti_1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
Elders of nothing.
---Trav on 4/6/16


Trav said, "Ask me a real question Monk & you'll get a real answer."

Note, people, I DID ask him a real question on 4/3/16, and he ignored it.

So I'll ask again: How is any man--not just you--to know what is in another man's heart? Only God can do that. So, who are we to believe, you or God?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16


Trav said, "If you can't see, and you've established you cannot, only one son can cure.
And you don't belong to any church or fellowship at all, despite the clear word of the Lord, "
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,...". (Heb 10:25)
---Monk_Brendan on 4/4/16

I never said I didn't assemble. I do weekly. I don't have a "paper" membership anywhere. And won't. I would assemble with you here but, you place too many things between you and i and you and Christ.
While not "seeing" acknowledging or understanding, unable to agree on the very things Christ fulfilled, or instructed to be fulfilled.
Gal_4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
---Trav on 4/6/16


///In interpreting Scripture, Scripture interprets Scripture. As simple as that. No one has to make anything up. ---Luke on 4/5/16///

Bingo Luke!!! The reason they were making it up was because they had hidden socio-political agendas & weren't being led by God, the Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 4/5/16

Luke, if scripture interprets scripture and its that simple, why is it you and Leon disagree on some scripture verses, if you both say you are led by God and the Holy Spirit?
---Ruben on 4/6/16


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\\You come here as a "monk". Which you hope validates you. \\

Trav, both jerry and Samuelbb7 have presented themselves as SDA elders.

Do you think they are hoping that validates them?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/16


Ruben: You obviously have some deep seated issues. I pray God will make a way of deliverance for you.
---Leon on 4/5/16


I don't seek validation from you or anyone on these blogs! And I DON'T seek the validation of the Church, Pope, Patriarch, Bishop or Priest.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/5/16

But, sir you are visible and you made sure you would be.
You come here as a "monk". Which you hope validates you.
It validates you daily as a scripturally confused person serving a political system. Calling itself universal, with one body, and many gargoyle heads. Would that you were not entrenched...
You would or have submitted, kissing the popes hand.
And yes I will and have prayed for you.
2Ti_4:2 Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
---Trav on 4/5/16


Ruben: Whether or not you're a born again Christian is between you & God. Hopefully, if you seek diligently, you'll find, read, hear & know for yourself God's answer to that question from the Bible.
---Leon on 4/5/16

Leon,

But I am according to your theory:

//The born again believers that are correct are those who are really 'born again' ( not just by name only) & are led by God and the Holy Spirit ( not by one's private interpretation & new revelations) Leon on 3/26/16//

But how is it I do not agree on your interpretation on scripture, if we are led by God and the Holy Spirit? Maybe you are not led by God after all?:)
---Ruben on 4/5/16


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Luke said, " In interpreting Scripture, Scripture interprets Scripture. As simple as that. No one has to make anything up. This information does not come from the Bible. It comes because many individuals in the Catholic Church were making this up that were not in the Bible and making members believe they were. When the Bible was finally made available to everyone, people found out the real truth, that many things they claimed to be in the Bible were not in the Bible. The lies continued over the centuries."

You've already got your mind made up, Luke. But your information is wrong, even if you think it is right. God bless you!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/5/16


Trav said, "You seek validation here, universal man...with your church/priest/pope at the head and you a humbled tonsured/robed servant."

I don't seek validation from you or anyone on these blogs! And I DON'T seek the validation of the Church, Pope, Patriarch, Bishop or Priest. I have my validation in Christ Jesus, and not only can you not take that away from me, you can't stand it that I have His assurance, and you don't!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/5/16


///In interpreting Scripture, Scripture interprets Scripture. As simple as that. No one has to make anything up. [Misinformation] does not come from the Bible. It comes because many individuals in the Catholic Church were making [things] up that were not in the Bible and making members believe they were. When the Bible was finally made available to everyone, people found out the real truth, that many things they claimed to be in the Bible were not in the Bible. The lies continued over the centuries.---Luke on 4/5/16///

Bingo Luke!!! The reason they were making it up was because they had hidden socio-political agendas & weren't being led by God, the Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 4/5/16


///...Leon* Ruben: Please show me where in this blog (or elsewhere) I actually said you weren't born again.

You haven't, but you have said you can know who is and who isn't. So I am asking you am I a Born again believer?...---Ruben on 4/5/16///

Ruben: Whether or not you're a born again Christian is between you & God. Hopefully, if you seek diligently, you'll find, read, hear & know for yourself God's answer to that question from the Bible.
---Leon on 4/5/16


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Leon* Ruben: Please show me where in this blog (or elsewhere) I actually said you weren't born again.

You haven't, but you have said you can know who is and who isn't. So I am asking you am I a Born again believer?


Leon * I just question your understanding of Scripture, specifically the part where you believe you're literally eating the flesh & blood of Jesus when taking Holy Communion.

Both can make a case that he is talking literally or symbolic. How do we determine who is correct? For a Christian, what is the pillar and ground of the truth. Is it the Bible?
---Ruben on 4/5/16


Trav said, "If you can't see, and you've established you cannot, only one son can cure.
We don't conduct or attend a home church by the way, I'm not a member of any denomination.

How can you tell I am not saved? Because of the Church I attend? Not so! Not so! According to my Church, when I was ten days old, I was regenerated in Baptism (Born Again), and I have been heartily cooperating with God, allowing Him full access to my heart, soul, and mind since 1977.

I know you don't believe me, but it is true!

And you don't belong to any church or fellowship at all, despite the clear word of the Lord, " Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is,". (Heb 10:25)
---Monk_Brendan on 4/4/16


Okay, here is a real question: Are you saved? Are you washed in the Blood of the Lamb? Have you asked Jesus into your heart as your personal Savior?

I ask you, because I cannot tell from your answers and attitude on these blogs. And you can't tell me that I'm not, when they cannot see into my heart any more than I can see into yours. You can't tell me (or God) how many hours I have spent in prayer, weeping for the souls of the lost, imploring God to have mercy on the "innocent" bystanders at a terrorist suicide. Or how many nights I have spent out in the cold, knocking on doors and doing evangelism the hard way. You can't, and I am not even going to try to explain it to you.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/4/16


In interpreting Scripture, Scripture interprets Scripture. As simple as that. No one has to make anything up. This information does not come from the Bible. It comes because many individuals in the Catholic Church were making this up that were not in the Bible and making members believe they were. When the Bible was finally made available to everyone, people found out the real truth, that many things they claimed to be in the Bible were not in the Bible. The lies continued over the centuries.
---Luke on 4/5/16


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///...Do you believe I am Born Again?---Ruben on 4/4/16///

Ruben: Please show me where in this blog (or elsewhere) I actually said you weren't born again. I just question your understanding of Scripture, specifically the part where you believe you're literally eating the flesh & blood of Jesus when taking Holy Communion.
---Leon on 4/4/16


Trav said, "The orthodoc's doesn't, or you wouldn't be searching a internet blog for answers. ...
---Monk_Brendan on 4/1/16

Hit a catholic/universal nerve it appears.
Define light to a blind man. It can't be done, unless...
If you can't see, and you've established you cannot, only one son can cure.
We don't conduct or attend a home church by the way, I'm not a member of any denomination.
I seek what my Lord sought "sheep", Matt 15:24 Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You seek validation here, universal man...with your church/priest/pope at the head and you a humbled tonsured/robed servant.
---Trav on 4/4/16


what you believe from Scripture. Thank you.
---Leon on 4/3/16

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son of our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.He descended into hell, the third day he rose again from the dead, He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God. the Father almighty, from
thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting..

Do you believe I am Born Again?
---Ruben on 4/4/16


///And I can come back and give you reasons why I believe he(Jesus)said to really eat his flesh and drinks his blood but it still comes to why is your interpretation correct over mine? Do you claim to be infallible when it comes to interpreting of scripture?---Ruben on 4/3/16///

Why don't you please explain what you believe from Scripture. Thank you.
---Leon on 4/3/16


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Ruben: Why do you believe we're to literally eat Jesus's flesh & drink His blood? Is cannibalism (eating human flesh) & the drinking blood Bible authorized?

---Leon on 4/3/1

And I can come back and give you reasons why I believe he(Jesus)said to really eat his flesh and drinks his blood but it still comes to why is your interpretation correct over mine? Do you claim to be infallible when it comes to interpreting of scripture?
---Ruben on 4/3/16


Leon said, "Ask me a real question Monk & you'll get a real answer."

I did ask you are real question! How is any man--not just you--to know what is in another man's heart? Only God can do that. So, who are we to believe, you or God?

Myself, I will believe God!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/3/16


Ruben: Why do you believe we're to literally eat Jesus's flesh & drink His blood? Is cannibalism (eating human flesh) & the drinking blood Bible authorized? Do you know what a metaphor is? Jesus was making a point for His disciples to remember His sacrifice when they gathered, in the future, to worship Him?

When believers come together, for Holy Communion, we're symbolically "receiving" Jesus into our midst (life space) by eating the bread & drinking wine. That's what Jesus meant by "this do in remembrance of me." (Lk. 22:19-20) He spoke of His being crucified, as the sacrificial lamb, for our sins. Was Jesus a real lamb or a human? No, but in God's eyes, He's the Lamb of God!
---Leon on 4/3/16


Leon- I'm trying to reason, not argue, with you Ruben. You're so quick to jump to conclusions without carefully analyzing what has been said.

It's not to argue and I do carefully analyzing for instance you wrote / There's no authorized precedent in the bible for born again believers to 'literal' eat human flesh & drink blood//
But yet When ask to Jesus " How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Not once did Jesus said he was not talking about his flesh. Again I am here to debate his flesh or not but rather why would your interpretation of this
scripture verse be correct over mine. Does all Born again believers have to believe the exact same thing?
---Ruben on 4/3/16


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Right division is necessary for proper interpretation of the Bible not just the Old Testament and the New. Neither testament speaks to the mystery of the Church, the Body of Christ.
The most important division to make is between both testaments (subjects of prophecy to Israel) and the Church (the subject of the mystery).
Instead of interpreting the Old Testament by the New, or the New by the Old, we should interpret the entire Bible through the lens of what is the prophecy and what is mystery, what is earthly, and what is heavenly. These are the necessary divisions that remove the confusion of so-called Christian scholars
---michael_e on 4/2/16


///...Says who you?...---Ruben on 4/2/16///

I'm trying to reason, not argue, with you Ruben. You're so quick to jump to conclusions without carefully analyzing what has been said. Let me answer the "Who has the authority to interpret Scripture" question again. God, the Holy Spirit alone interprets. Born again believers, by faith, listen for & hear God's interpretations from the pages of Scripture. Religious people, who are dull of hearing, miss (over or undershoot) the interpretations completely as they eisegesis the Bible. Therein lies the confusion in church-houses world-wide. But, within those church-houses there are remnants of believers who hear explicitly from God's word (the Bible).
---Leon on 4/2/16


God is correct Ruben. The born again believers that are correct are those who are really "born again" (not just in name only) & are led by God, the Holy Spirit (not by one's private interpretation & new revelations).---Leon on 3/26/16

Yes Leon God is always correct. How do you know you are really a true born again believer and not just one by name, after all they believe in the exact same thing as the so called 'real' born again believers?

There's no authorized precedent (model or pattern) in the Bible for born again believers to "literal" eat human flesh & drink blood.
---Leon

Says who you? Are you infallible when it comes in interpreting the Bible?
---Ruben on 4/2/16


Back on 3/27 you wrote and said amen and so true Michaele about what Michaele said // The Bible itself when comparing one verse on the same thing// But you do not believe in some of what Michaele believes?/
---Ruben on 3/31/16

Correct. Her Methodology she espoused is correct. I just don't see where she followed it. The problem is not the Methodology itself. But that it is not used by many who say they do use it.

For instance Sunday is never a day of worship in the entire Bible. But it was and is called the Sabbath by many even though the Bible never says that.

The RCC and Orthodox do actually follow their Methodology. Which is traditions and scripture.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/16


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///Leon said, "God is correct Ruben. The born again believers that are correct are those who are really "born again" (not just in name only) & are led by God, the Holy Spirit (not by one's private interpretation & new revelations)."

Prithee define, Leon, if one can know what is in the heart of a particular man, that you can imply, "this group over here is saved, but that group, even though they say the same things, and believe the same thing are not saved, and are unable to correctly interpret the word of God by the Holy Spirit?---Monk_Brendan on 3/31/16///

?!!! smh

Ask me a real question Monk & you'll get a real answer.

---Leon on 4/2/16


Trav said, "The orthodoc's doesn't, or you wouldn't be searching a internet blog for answers. No other blinded denomination has authority either.

Please define your non-denominational home church's understanding of what the Holy Spirit says to you, AND why all other denominations are blind.

"Parables were for those with eyes and ears. Understanding of the scriptures is given by one authority. No denom's show any signs of asking or receiving this light."

(Including YOUR non-denominational home church?)
---Monk_Brendan on 4/1/16


Leon said, "God is correct Ruben. The born again believers that are correct are those who are really "born again" (not just in name only) & are led by God, the Holy Spirit (not by one's private interpretation & new revelations)."

Prithee define, Leon, if one can know what is in the heart of a particular man, that you can imply, "this group over here is saved, but that group, even though they say the same things, and believe the same thing are not saved, and are unable to correctly interpret the word of God by the Holy Spirit?
---Monk_Brendan on 3/31/16


Hello Ruben

I believe the 7th day Sabbath. From the Ten Commandments. I don't believe OSAS, also that works are always the result of being saved.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/16

Back on 3/27 you wrote and said amen and so true Michaele about what Michaele said // The Bible itself when comparing one verse on the same thing// But you do not believe in some of what Michaele believes?/
---Ruben on 3/31/16


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Who has the authority to interpret Scripture?
---Cluny on 3/25/16

The orthodoc's doesn't, or you wouldn't be searching a internet blog for answers. No other blinded denomination has authority either.
Parables were for those with eyes and ears. Understanding of the scriptures is given by one authority. No denom's show any signs of asking or receiving this light.
Luk 24:44 ...These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
---Trav on 3/30/16


Hello Ruben

I believe the 7th day Sabbath. From the Ten Commandments. I don't believe OSAS, also that works are always the result of being saved.

At the same time I see the words as symbolic for a good reason. Being symbolic does not lesson that we are doing the will of GOD. Nor that we are partaking of his nature and who he is.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/16


God is correct Ruben. The born again believers that are correct are those who are really "born again" (not just in name only) & are led by God, the Holy Spirit (not by one's private interpretation & new revelations).---Leon on 3/26/16

There's no authorized precedent (model or pattern) in the Bible for born again believers to "literal" eat human flesh & drink blood.
---Leon on 3/30/16


Ruben: I'm telling you to go with what the word of God (the Bible) says.
---Leon on 3/29/16

Leon,

I do.. In the Gospel of John 6:52 and on we read where they ask him a question:

" How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

These are Jesus answer to the question,

" Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood you have no life in him."

" Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood, I will raise him up on the last day.

" For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink."

I believe in his words of eating his flesh and drinking his blood. But you will say it is symbolic, who is correct and why if we are going with what the bible says?
---Ruben on 3/29/16


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Ruben: I'm telling you to go with what the word of God (the Bible) says.
---Leon on 3/29/16


cluny ask, "Who has the authority to interpret Scripture?"

God (Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit)
---john9346 on 3/29/16


Ruben:

1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged...

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits...

17...every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit...

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them...."

Matthew 7 (KJV)
---Leon on 3/28/16

Leon,

So what you are telling me is, you are the true 'born again believer' and you have the correct interpretation of scripture y or n ?
---Ruben on 3/29/16


Amen and so true Michaele.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/16

Correct me if i am wrong Michaele, but using scripture to compare to scripture:

1. You believe Sunday is the new day of worship.

2. You believe in OSAS.

3. You believe that works play no part in your Salvation

Samuel which ones do you believe in?
---Ruben on 3/29/16


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Ruben:

1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged...

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits...

17...every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit...

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them...."


Matthew 7 (KJV)
---Leon on 3/28/16


\\Yet they do not teach they are born again by God\\

How do you know you are really born again by God, Luke? Because you think you are?

I know nobody, Roman Catholics included, who worships idols. But I know a lot of Protestants who THINK RCs do.

They are mistaken.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/16


Leon, very good answer you gave Ruben. Many believe they are born again, especially Catholics. Yet they do not teach they are born again by God. They believe they are born again when they are baptized. In other words all the members who were baptized fall in the group. But Idol worshipers are not born of the Spirit. Those whom the Spirit brings to life, will see their sin and stop worshiping idols because their dependency will be Christ.
---Luke on 3/28/16

Luke,

Are u claiming to be infallible in scripture??
---Ruben on 3/28/16


God is correct Ruben. The born again believers that are correct are those who are really "born again" (not just in name only) & are led by God, the Holy Spirit (not by one's private interpretation & new revelations).
---Leon on 3/26/16

Leon,

Yes God is correct, but which born again believers are the correct one? And how do you determine the ones who are really " born again", because all who call themselves 'born again' believes they are saved, but yet disagree on a scripture verse?
---Ruben on 3/28/16


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Leon, very good answer you gave Ruben. Many believe they are born again, especially Catholics. Yet they do not teach they are born again by God. They believe they are born again when they are baptized. In other words all the members who were baptized fall in the group. But Idol worshipers are not born of the Spirit. Those whom the Spirit brings to life, will see their sin and stop worshiping idols because their dependency will be Christ.
---Luke on 3/28/16


Amen and so true Michaele.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/16


The Bible interprets itself when comparing one verse to another on the same thing. It can be another verse in the same passage, or from a different passage as long as they are on the same thing.
Isaiah 45:21-25 explains every knee shall bow.
Phil 2:10-11 is talking about the same thing: every knee bowing to someone.
Both verses talk about every knee bowing down to someone. In Isaiah it is God. In Philippians it is Jesus.
When read together the Bible interprets itself to teach that Jesus is God: Jesus is the one God and Saviour spoken about in Isaiah 45.
The doctrine of Jesus being God is not of private interpretation or upheld by just a few single verses, it's the interpretation of the Bible compared to itself.
---michael_e on 3/27/16


///ONLY GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT! (John 14:26) thru Born again believers. Read the very short Epistle of 1 John.
---Leon on 3/25/16

Really! There are some born again believers who interpretation is different with others born again believers, which born again believers is the correct one?
---Ruben on 3/26/16///

God is correct Ruben. The born again believers that are correct are those who are really "born again" (not just in name only) & are led by God, the Holy Spirit (not by one's private interpretation & new revelations).
---Leon on 3/26/16


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ONLY GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT! (John 14:26) thru Born again believers. Read the very short Epistle of 1 John.
---Leon on 3/25/16

Really! There are some born again believers who interpretation is different with others born again believers, which born again believers is the correct one?
---Ruben on 3/26/16


cont...

(Peter): "We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that NO prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 pt 1:19-21
---Chria9396 on 3/25/16


ONLY GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT! (John 14:26) thru Born again believers. Read the very short Epistle of 1 John.
---Leon on 3/25/16


The Holy Spirit has the authority. And in us, Cluny, God does all He means, by conforming us to the image of Jesus. Jesus in us is the Word, the real living and loving meaning of all of God's word.
---Bill on 3/25/16


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Interpretations (OT)often in reference to dreams, often dreams by unbelievers.

Note: "Do not interpretations belong to God?" Gn 40:8

Jesus, and others spoke of names being by interpretation.
Jn 1:42, 9:7, Acts 9:36, 13:8

Also Malkiy-Tsedeq Heb 7:1, 2...
King of right(eousness), peace,

...The less is blessed of the better...
also:
---Chria9396 on 3/25/16


Who has the authority to interpret Scripture? No one.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Father has spoken, He has said what He meant, and means what He says. It is for each of His children to listen to the understanding being provide for them through the aid of His Spirit, combined which the diligence to search the scripture and define any word or concept that is unclear, again in reliance upon His guidance and direction. To trust Him that the guidance given will lead them to an understanding of scripture that they can personally embrace, and live out with the complete confidence, and assurance that is pleasing to Him. Revealed truth need never be argued, simply applied.
---Josef on 3/25/16


Nobody needs "AUTHORITY" to interpret, people only need the "ABILITY" to interpret/understand properly (don't believe satan's/man's lies).

Look up the word "AEON" at wikipedia (the disambiguation page will show the 7 ages of the earth) and the time before Moses and the Pharoahs).

Yes, the moneychanger empire has survived to this day providing confusion and lies.
---faithforfaith on 3/25/16


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