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The Church Of Berea

Why is it so many people who claim to be Christian refuse to follow the example of the Church in Berea, Acts 17:11, the admonition found in Ephesians 4:14-15, and the warning found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19.

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Michael e: "Traditions like the deity of Christ, salvation by grace,
and deliverance from the law are truths"

You confuse tradition with doctrine and mix error with truth. The deity of Christ and salvation by grace are fundamental doctrines of truth supported by Scripture. Deliverance from the law is an error derived from the wresting of Paul's writings, and is at variance with the words of Christ and the body of Scripture. Ask yourself if you are delivered from the Law written on your heart in the New Covenant.


---jerry6593 on 4/21/16


cluny: "St, Paul referred to traditions not mentioned elsewhere in Scripture as if they were truth."

I have no problem with the teachings (traditions) of Paul. It is the traditions of the post-apostolic church fathers that I find amiss. Paul is very complex, and many twist his words to mean something other than what he was teaching.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

That's why he upheld the OT research of the Bereans as the example of the proper test of his words.



---jerry6593 on 4/20/16


I agree with your principal Michaele.

My biggest problem with some views is that they only use a few scriptures and fail to make all scripture on a topic be used.

Also the Old Testament is almost vilified by some.

When my daughter was taking Old Testament at HBU she found much of her class who had been raised in church ignorant of most of the Old Testament. They like her had spent years in Church School. But while she went to an Adventist school where we teach the Old Testament they had very little contact with the Old.

2Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/16


St, Paul referred to traditions not mentioned elsewhere in Scripture as if they were truth.

Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/16


Jerry, do you actually see tradition in the scriptures I gave you?
Be careful not to confuse truth with tradition.
Truth can be supported with good tradition (2 Thess 2:15),
but tradition without truth is like a hollow tree.
Traditions like the deity of Christ, salvation by grace,
and deliverance from the law are truths that should be defended with continuing tradition.
I don't agree with much of my young friends beliefs, but I do respect his right to his beliefs.
---michael_e on 4/19/16




michael e: I would still like to know whether you, like cluny, consider tradition of a higher authority than the Holy Scriptures. I hope this is not the case. Is it?



---jerry6593 on 4/19/16


//Paul praised the Bereans (not the Thessalonians)//
Certainly, as the Bereans we study to show ourselves approved, but there's more than nobility and studiousness, there's workmanship, and faithfulness to do God's will.
Paul praised the Thessalonians
writing two letters to the church praising them for their work, labour, and persistent faithfulness to his message (1 Thess 1:3).
Pauls gospel came to them in word also in power (1 Thess 1:5).
It wasn't Bereans, but Thessalonians that became the exsample for all the believers in Macedonia (1 Thess 1:7).
We hear nothing from Berea after Paul leaves, but Paul says the word of the Lord sounded out from Thessalonica in every direction. (1 Thess 1:8).
---michael_e on 4/18/16


michael e: Your dismissive attitude toward the Bereans would indicate that you, like cluny, consider tradition of a higher authority than the Holy Scriptures. I hope this is not the case. Is it?



---jerry6593 on 4/18/16


Paul did write the following words.

Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.


He used the Old Testament to prove what he was saying.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/16


The unbelieving Berean Jews, were more noble than unbelieving Jews in Thessalonica, but not a better exsample than believers in Thessalonica.
Unlike studious unbelieving Bereans who heard and many believed, the multitude that believed in Thessalonica also consorted with Paul (Acts 17:4). That is, they became followers of him (1 Thess 1:6).
The world of Thessalonica was turned upside down by believers there (Acts 17:6). Nothing was turned upside down in Berea except maybe their libraries.
Bereans search the scriptures, but not known for doing any real ministry work.
Our real exsample should be the Thessalonian church who not only believed the word of God, but allowed it to work in them to do the work of the ministry.
---michael_e on 4/14/16




Nice catch cluny. It was indeed Luke who did the writing, but Paul did the preaching. But your attempt at deflection notwithstanding, the Old Testament was nonetheless exalted as the final authority over Paul's teaching. Thus, the Bible confirms that your theory of the superiority of tradition over the Word of God is FALSE.



---jerry6593 on 4/14/16


\\Ruben: You seem confused. Paul praised the Bereans (not the Thessalonians) for testing his own words by the higher authority of the Old Testament\\

Wrong again, jeery.

It was ST. Luke who wrote about the Bereans, not St. Paul.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/13/16


Ruben: You seem confused. Paul praised the Bereans (not the Thessalonians) for testing his own words by the higher authority of the Old Testament. He never implied that his words were of a higher authority than Holy Scripture.



---jerry6593 on 4/13/16


\\However, I will say Cluny is dense and deceived, or a knowing and willing advocate, minister, and servant of Satan.\\
Thank you for making another deposit in my heavenly treasure, Rob.
---Cluny on 4/10/16

Well your deposit would have to be based on persecution against truth. So far ur select post/defense, and hidden un-ortho-doctrines of men don't qualify.
If Rob is rebuking you in truth...which he may well be. H7853 "Satan" translated means:
to attack, (figuratively) accuse: - (be an) adversary, resist.
Hmmmm...resisting, adversarial...
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
---Trav on 4/12/16


So there is many reasons why not many follow the example of the church in Berea.
---Luke on 4/11/16


Luke,

The Church in Beroea did not go by scripture only like so many think they did:

" These Jews were more fair-minded then those in Thesalonica, for they received the word with all willingness AND examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were true. If going by scripture only why would they have to listen to Paul and examine scripture daily. It was the Thesslonians who went by scripture only and did not believe Paul who told them " This is the Messiah is Jesus" Acts 17:3
---Ruben on 4/12/16


Luke: You would do well to take the advice of this blog in forming your remarks. Show from scripture where your doctrines are right and others' are wrong, and stop hurling insults. It just makes you look small.


---jerry6593 on 4/12/16


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Dear Luke

We follow GOD and our Lord Jesus Christ. E.G.White is a human being not GOD in the flesh. She cannot save anyone and had to be saved by Jesus just like the rest of us.

I have shown Bible verse after Bible verse on why I believe. Most are ignored and not answered.

Why because you and others don't have an answer. So instead you make a false accusation.

Show me from the Bible I am wrong. That is all I keep asking.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/11/16


You will also notice in these blogs how Cluny hates and is hostile towards those who expose Satan and His lies!!!
---Rob on 4/9/16

But sir, don't water/fertilize/plant on a rock. His hard heart provides opportunity to post scriptures that give truth. Whose witness will always be better than yours and mine. His provoking hard rock/head may be a work in provocation...plow around it, breaking of new ground for scriptural seed to be planted.
Being provoked myself to search deeper...and provoking/rebuking for the same reasons.
Bless ole unloved cluny he is only an enemy for his false religions sake.
Luk_8:6 And some fell upon a rock, and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
---Trav on 4/11/16


Rob, you have to remember that many who answer here are not saved. They come from all nations and they love to answer. They believe they are saved but when they write down what they believe in, it is so far from the truth. Others follow individuals who had visions or dreams sort of like Mohammad. Just look at how big that religion has gotten to be. SDA's follow E.G. White, Jehovah Witnesses follow the teachings of Charles Russell, Catholics follow the teaching of their pope and church. And it goes on and on.
So there is many reasons why not many follow the example of the church in Berea.
---Luke on 4/11/16


\\However, I will say Cluny is dense and deceived, or a knowing and willing advocate, minister, and servant of Satan.\\

Thank you for making another deposit in my heavenly treasure, Rob.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/10/16


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Rob: Thanks, but I would not go quite that far in my denunciation of cluny. I don't mind others not agreeing with me, as long as we all explain the basis of our beliefs based on the Holy Scriptures. But since cluny holds the "church fathers" of his denomination in higher regard than the Word of God, we don't have a common point of reference, and hence no rational discussion appears possible.

Cluny strikes me as having the disposition of a schoolyard bully, and not as a diligent Berean.



---jerry6593 on 4/10/16


Jerry 6593, Personally I would not say Cluny is juvenile.

However, I will say Cluny is dense and deceived, or a knowing and willing advocate, minister, and servant of Satan.

If you look through these blogs, you will see how Cluny is hostile, belligerent, and hates those who share God's Truths, hoping people will be drawn to Christ and become SAVED!!!

You will also notice in these blogs how Cluny hates and is hostile towards those who expose Satan and His lies!!!
---Rob on 4/9/16


cluny: You are most juvenile. Of course I answered your questions, but you refuse to answer mine. Why? Because they are too deep for you, or because the truth is too embarrassing for you?

Glory to Jesus Christ the Creator and Author of the Ten Commandments.




---jerry6593 on 4/8/16


Cluny I have a couple of books written on this topic. So it is hard to boil down but I will try.

The Undivided Church decided on the Canon based on those who had compiled lists before of books they knew were written by the Apostles. So to be part of the New Testament it has to be written by an apostle. The book you mentioned was from latter. It along with a number of others were written some by Gnostic writers. Their words contradicted the words of the apostles so they were not allowed into the Canon. The main leaders were the Scholars called on by the Church leaders.

For the Old Testament the Church accepted the Septuagint version. Since they could read that one.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16


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\\And what is with your obsession over things not in the Bible when you don't follow what is? And what difference does it make who compiled the Bible? It's the author that matters - not the compiler.\\

In other words, you either cannot or are afraid to answer my question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/7/16


cluny: "Why did St. Paul say, 'Keep the traditions that have been delivered to you, whether by our word or epistle?'"

Paul said to keep the precepts or teachings that he and the other Apostles had given in speeches or in letters - not the "opinions" of men not yet born. You love to call yourself "Orthodox", and yet you keep "traditions" of men other than those taught by the Apostles. Why?

And what is with your obsession over things not in the Bible when you don't follow what is? And what difference does it make who compiled the Bible? It's the author that matters - not the compiler.



---jerry6593 on 4/7/16


jerry, there were things that the Apostles wrote that are not part of the Bible, which itself mentions the "letter to the Laodiceans." Others have been preserved, but were never included.

Why are these not in the Bible?

On what authority were they excluded? To put the question another way, whom did God use to let us know these writings should not be in the Bible?

it certainly was NOT the SDA or EGW, as this was decided centuries before them.

Please answer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/16


\\As an Individual when you stand before CHRIST, will it be the BEMA SEAT, or the GREAT WHITE JUDGMENT SEAT?\\

There is just one Judgement, and it doesn't matter what you call it, Rob.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/16


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Jerry said, "...The Bible is the Word of God. Tradition is man's opinion. So you believe that tradition trumps the Word, eh. I'll bet you think those Bereans were wrong..."

Jerry, I don't care what you think! The Bible is the Word of God, true, but the Bible was compiled--not handwritten by God, or dictated to man by God. And the final compilation was done in the 4th century A.D. by Catholic/Orthodox bishops. They received it as part of Tradition from the various authors and scribes of the various texts, and from believers throughout the ages.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/6/16


\\Tradition is man's opinion.\\

That might be how YOU understand tradition, but that's not what we Orthodox mean by it.

Why did St. Paul say, "Keep the traditions that have been delivered to you, whether by our word or epistle?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/16


Luke is 100/ and very, very correct with what he wrote on 4/4/2016.

Time is getting short and it is time that people become serious and stop playing games.

We all one day will stand before CHRIST FOR JUDGMENT!!! This includes myself!

As an Individual when you stand before CHRIST, will it be the BEMA SEAT, or the GREAT WHITE JUDGMENT SEAT?

It is amazing how so many people, who have sat in churches for so many years, don't know they will stand before one, of two seats!
---Rob on 4/6/16


cluny: "the Bible is part of tradition"

Baloney! The Bible is the Word of God. Tradition is man's opinion. So you believe that tradition trumps the Word, eh. I'll bet you think those Bereans were wrong.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The fact that someone in my church has an opinion different from the rest of us does not invalidate our religion (as it must in your opinion-based religion).

Why do you remain in a church that teaches error?




---jerry6593 on 4/6/16


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\\cluny: I thought I was "dead" to you. \\

Only until you said something substantive.

Though I noticed you still didn't answer my question.

To answer yours, it's the Bible within tradition, because the Bible is part of tradition.

Now, to repeat my question, why do you remain in a church that published what you believe to be abominations?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/16


Samuel, there is no excuse for you and Jerry, since you both claim you are Elders. Why make you Elders when you both don't know where you are going. What will you tell others in the SDA? That they are going to the Great White Throne of Judgment? And have they not explained this so very important message in the churches you go to?
And please don't make any excuses about what version of Scripture you are using. It is explained very clear.
---Luke on 4/5/16


cluny: I thought I was "dead" to you. So glad to see that you're still alive. There's nothing like a good SDA insult to wake you up. Now that you're here, how about responding to my question.



It seems to me that the subject of this blog is the preeminence of the Bible over tradition (as per the Berean believers). How about it, cluny? Bible or tradition? Which is tops in your mind?



---jerry6593 on 4/5/16


I think the Clear Word is an okay paraphrase. But I haven't actually read it. I prefer translations.

I think Jerry might be King James only. A stand some take
---Samuelbb7 on 4/4/16


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Jerry, you are an Elder and don't know where you are going? How is that possible? Do you also teach? You should read your Bible very carefully. It explains to you where Christians go and where unbelievers go. Believers are already forgiven, they will not be judge. If they were judge by God, then Jesus death meant nothing to you.
---Luke on 4/4/16


Rob: "Claim to be" is the operative phrase that contains the answer to your question. Being a "Christian in name only" is not the same as being a "Born again Christian". What distinguished one group of people from another is their "FRUITS".
---Leon on 4/2/16

Is one of their 'Fruits" being they have a different interpretation of scripture?:)
---Ruben on 4/4/16


Rather interesting that the official publishing company of jerry's own church publishes a Bible version he thinks is an abomination.

Why does he remain in a church that publishes abominations?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/16


//Why is it so many people who claim to be Christian refuse to follow the example of the Church in Berea, Acts 17:11,

Because so many go by the Bible Alone Theory,

If you noticed it says " They received the word with all willingness and examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were so."
They listen to what Paul said and then went to scripture..Wow imagine that!

It was the Thessalonians who went by their own interpretations of scripture, when Paul was trying to them " This is the Messiah, Jesus whom I proclaim to you."Sounds alike its still going on today:)
---Ruben on 4/4/16


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Rob: I know you asked Samuel's opinion on the Clear Word, but I would like to offer mine as well (as I am also a SDA elder and SS teacher for decades).

I think the Clear Word is an abomination. I use the KJV only.



---jerry6593 on 4/4/16


Samuelbb7, you wrote for decades you have been a Sabbath School teacher and Elder.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts about the clear word bible!
---Rob on 4/2/16


///Why is it so many people who claim to be Christian refuse to follow the example of the Church in Berea, Acts 17:11, the admonition found in Ephesians 4:14-15, and the warning found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19[?]///

Rob: "Claim to be" is the operative phrase that contains the answer to your question. Being a "Christian in name only" is not the same as being a "Born again Christian". What distinguished one group of people from another is their "FRUITS".
---Leon on 4/2/16


cluny has gone dark.



---jerry6593 on 4/2/16


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It is very hard for anon Christian to be a Seventh day Adventist. The living for Jesus Christ when you don't love him is impossible.

I went from being an agnostic to loving God and have found it easy to be Sda.

I have been a Sabbath school adult teacher for a few decades as well as an Elder.

I have meet self centered individuals in the church. But then many sinners go to church.

I love God and work to spread the gospel.

I'm very sorry you let bad people come between you and Jesus. May God help you to follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/1/16


Rob,

Unfortunately, there are many churches that are just for show and about the Pastors, Elders, and Deacons, both baptists and nonbaptists.

As a Black Man, this is front and center in the majority of "Black Baptist Churches."

This is not to say only them, but a large percentege are this way.

This is why I highly respect the Reform, Primitive, and Calvinistic Southern Baptists because these Baptist Churches are founded and established on the "5-solas of the reformation."

Although all of this is questionable of motives, one must remember it is doctrine that matters.
---john9346 on 4/1/16


Samuelbb7, my younger sister and myself both know about the Pathfinders, Campion Academy in Colorado, and Union College in Nebraska.

A few years ago, there were two people on these blogs who refused to believe I knew about being SDA.

Because my younger sister and myself were still minors and living at home, we were forced to attend and take part in SDA activities and services.

I could share with you some of our horrific exexperiences, but I will spare you of the details.

Just last week, my younger sister told me she is no longer SDA, and became a Christian!
---Rob on 4/1/16


John 9346, I have been to Baptist Churches many, many times.

It is sad, but every time I had the impression they were not about God or Christ.

Every time I received the impression it was just for show and about the Pastors, Elders, and Deacons.

They were about being seen in their special seats and attention placed on them.

At my place of Worship, no one has special seats and the Pastor sits with the congregation.

Years ago at a funeral, a Baptist preacher walked in. The first thing he said was, where is his seat!
---Rob on 3/31/16


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Those who follow GOD are to choose to be baptized. It does not cause salvation. But it is part of what we who are saved do. To choose not to is to show rebellion.

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

1Pe 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/16


Cluny states, "If Jesus commanded it, it's required for salvation."

Cluny, commandments are for the Christians's Sanctification not salvation.

This goes back to what I said to you on the other posting, Eastern Orthodox Theology puts sanctification where justification is and justification where sanctification should be.

We are not justified by baptism as your religion teaches, but by grace through faith alone in Christ see Rom 5:1 and Eph 2:1-9.
---john9346 on 4/1/16


I seems to me that the subject of this blog is the preeminence of the Bible over tradition (as per the Berean believers). How about it, cluny? Bible or tradition? Which is tops in your mind?



---jerry6593 on 4/1/16


I remember those days too. We have had two pastors who modified different ways.

One the elders knelt. When he left the next had us stand.

Our current has stand all during the song service and remain standing when they enter. I am not fond of this one.

Do you also remember kneeling to pray?

It's a custom. Which I don't know why you brought up. But it does show you did attend an SDA church.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/16


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Rob said, "John 9346, read Matthew Chapters 23 and 24."

Sir, I have read them, but would you answer my question I really want to know what you mean with specificity? if you wouldn't mind sharing.

My question to you is this, "what is it that baptists are doing that the pharisees did for Jesus to rebuke them??"

Is it Baptist Doctrine you don't like such as only male pastors, Eternal Security, Congregational Autonomy, Believer's Baptism, rejection of speaking in tongues, etc.

You see, specificity from you would help.
---john9346 on 3/31/16


\\Would you provide the verses where you believe baptism is a commandment unto salvation?\\

Read the Lord's commandment regarding this in the final chapters of Matthew and Mark.

If Jesus commanded it, it's required for salvation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/16


Samuelbb7, are you saying in SDA Churches and during services, the congregation does not have to stand up, when the Elders walk in, and must remain standing until the Elders take their seats.

Samuel, before you answer, my Parents became SDA when I was a teenager, so I do know and remember what happens at SDA Churches!
---Rob on 3/31/16


John 9346, read Matthew Chapters 23 and 24.
---Rob on 3/30/16


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Cluny,



Would you provide the verses where you believe baptism is a commandment unto salvation?

Thanks,


John
---john9346 on 3/30/16


Well I never ran into those contradictions in the SDA church.

I have run into people who have tried to create problems.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/30/16


john9346, Jesus commanded us to be baptized.

How can anything that Jesus commanded be optional and not required for salvation--and non-essential?

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/16


cluny said:

"One of the things I was taught as a Baptist was that you couldn't be saved unless you walked down the aisle to "Just a I Am" or its equivalent."

Cluny, you stated on a prior posting that as a Baptist you were never taught the differences between essentials and nonessentials are you sure this isn't another misunderstanding?

"I was also taught two contradictory doctrines on water baptism.
a. It had nothing to do with salvation.
b. It had to be by total immersion."


This is not contradictory it is biblical.

The Scriptures themselves which are, "Theopneustos." provides direction on essentials and nonessentials.
---john9346 on 3/30/16


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\\Are you saying that Baptists are not Christians who do not place their HOPE, FAITH, and TRUST, in CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE for their SALVATION!??\\

One of the things I was taught as a Baptist was that you couldn't be saved unless you walked down the aisle to "Just a I Am" or its equivalent.

I was also taught two contradictory doctrines on water baptism.
a. It had nothing to do with salvation.
b. It had to be by total immersion.

How can anything that Jesus Himself commanded be incidental to salvation--but what He never required be essential?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/16


Rob said, "Yet they do the very things Christ Himself rebuked the Pharisees of doing."

Sir, could you tell me, what is it that baptists are doing that the pharisees did for Jesus to rebuke them??


Rob asked, "May I ask in who and what you place your FAITH?"

Yes sir, my faith is found in Christ alone and his finished work on the cross...

No people or denomination or individual is perfect, but Baptists have done more for the Sake of the Gospel than any other denomination/organization combine.

One title to describe them has been, "A People of the Book."

Baptists have always been a "Confessing People."
---john9346 on 3/29/16


John 9346, for many years I have been wondering how and why Baptists along with other religions claim to be Christian, yet they do the very things Christ Himself rebuked the Pharisees of doing.

May I ask in who and what you place your FAITH?
---Rob on 3/29/16


Rob said, "Hello Cluny, it is good to hear and know you left the Baptist."

Sir, if you don't mind me to ask, why is it good to know and hear Cluny left the Baptists?

Are you saying that Baptists are not Christians who do not place their HOPE, FAITH, and TRUST, in CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE for their SALVATION!??

Just wondering?
---john9346 on 3/28/16


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Samuel: Paul called the Bereans noble because they counted the Old Testament Scriptures as superior to his teachings. How ironic that cluny considers himself a follower of the teachings of the Apostles, when he counts the traditions as superior to the Bible.


---jerry6593 on 3/28/16


But Cluny I have shown you that it does. You have never shown me where the passages that show the Bible is the final authority are wrong.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Show me one verse that says tradition is equal to scripture. Tell me why these verse are false.

If you were correct there would be no Christianity since the Jews would have accepted the Traditions that would have forbid them to be Christians.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/16


\\ The practiced Sola scriptora.\\

This is something the Bible itself does not teach.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/16


Hello Cluny, it is good to hear and know you left the Baptist. It is bad that you "jumped from one fire to another".

The Paternal side of my family is Catholic and SDA. The Maternal side of my family is Baptist and SDA. I guess I'm the "BLACK SHEEP" of the family, because I reject man made religions.

I'm a Christian, which means I place my HOPE, FAITH, and TRUST, in CHRIST and CHRIST ALONE for my SALVATION!
---Rob on 3/27/16


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Cluny the Church though new and young. Followed the Apostles against the leaders of the established people of GOD. Those leaders because or their traditions rejected Jesus.

Instead they looked to scripture for the truth. The practiced Sola scriptora.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/16


I did.

That's why I left the Baptists and became Orthodox.

BTW, it was not a "Church" in Berea at this point, but simply the initial people whom St. Paul and evangelized.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/16


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