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The Holler Preacher

Why do so many preachers (in church-houses, on radio and TV) tend to holler at their listening audiences?

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Leon you're welcome may God bless you in your search for His truth. I really would like to do more to help but can't on here but if you have any questions I will try my best,with the Word to answer. I hope you don't mind I will be praying for you in you're studies.
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/16


Thx Darlene for the data. I will further study & meditate upon the word (Scripture) & patiently receive what the Lord reveal. Again, thx! :)
---Leon on 4/21/16


Cluny please read the verses I gave Leon in 1 Corinthians 12:7-31. A Preacher/Pastor can only prophesy if God has also called him to be a Prophet. One doesn't exclude God giving another one also. No a Preacher doesn't lack control nor does a Prophet lack control and he learns only to respond to God.
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/16


\\Just because one is a Preacher it doesn't mean he can also prophesy.\\

Does it mean he cannot prophesy?

And is a preacher supposed to lack control in the pulpit?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/16


Cluny thank you for the information,you have a lot more knowledge about that type of thing than I do. Leon A Preacher is called to the Office or position of Preacher and a Prophet is called to the Office of Prophet. Just because one is a Preacher it doesn't mean he can also prophesy. I gave you the Bible verses to show you the difference Offices or callings,I'm sorry,I don't mean to be rude but I don't know what else I can tell you if you don't see the difference between the callings. Please study 1 Corinthians 12:7-31 maybe that will show you what I am talking about.
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/16




\\In this time there is a written Word to be Preached from thus a Preacher uses it Verse by verse.\\

St. John Chrysostom, a 4th century bishop, was the first to do so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/16


Darlene: Aren't preachers & prophets people "called, by God", to "SPEAK His word" to other people? When a preacher teaches from God's divinely inspired Bible, as led by revelations from God the Holy Spirit, does he not also prophesy of future events in the world & the lives of God's people? Aren't a preacher's prophesies (sayings) supported also in context by what the Bible says about past & present events? So then, what's the difference?

I believe there's as much confusion in the Church about the alleged differences between preachers & prophets as there is about speaking in tongues, & the Holy Communion implements actually becoming the physical body & blood of Jesus.
---Leon on 4/20/16


Leon All Prophets get God's message to the Church directly from God by the Holy Ghost enabling them to speak. A Preacher uses the Bible to preach from. Yes the Preacher is also Holy Ghost filled but doesn't have the same Gift of the Spirit that a Prophet has. I hope this helps a little. Please look up the chapter and verse on the Gifts of the Spirit.I looked these up for you. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, 1 Corinthians 12,27-31. This will show you what I was talking about.
---Darlene_1 on 4/19/16


///...[Today, preachers teach from the Bible] verse by verse. Prophets [gets revelations directly from God, the Holy Ghost (not the Bible) but what they say must agree with Scripture, though not verbatim]...their position in the Church is higher than a preacher's.---Darlene_1 on 4/18/16///

Darlene: You're saying a Holy Ghost filled preacher teaches exclusively from Scripture line upon line, verse by verse. But, modern day prophets get there messages directly from God, just like the OT prophets did. However, the direct revelation from God isn't verbatim to what's written in the Bible. Yet, what they prophesy to the church matches thought-for-thought Bible teaching. Is that it?
---Leon on 4/18/16


Cluny the Holy Ghost uses a physical body of a person filled with the Holy Ghost. If any baby Christian can see whats wrong with that you said why can't you see whats right about this? The Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost equips God's people to have,including Prophets,God moving through them in service to God. The Holy Ghost enables God's prophets to speak what God gives. A real Prophet doesn't have to advertise what they are or who they serve. Ephesians has a verse about a Prophet and so does other Bible Chapters look it up.
---Darlene_1 on 4/18/16




\\In this time there is a written Word to be Preached from thus a Preacher uses it Verse by verse.\\

Not all preachers of anyone's church do so.

As far as prophets, well....

Once I was invited to hear someone billed as a "prophet of God". He said, among other things, that Jesus couldn't perform any miracles after His Resurrection because He didn't have a physical body, and the Holy Ghost needs a physical body to manifest through. (Any baby Christian can see what's wrong with this.)

And the congregation was eating this up with a spoon!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/16


Leon I shall try to convey the difference as I perceive it to be. In this time there is a written Word to be Preached from thus a Preacher uses it Verse by verse. For a Prophet does not use the written Word but gets what he says directly from God through the Holy Ghost but what he brings must agree with the written Word of God but won't be that Written Word itself. I know that many say there are no Prophets now because they are not needed but that just isn't true,God still wants them to bring special messages to His people. God didn't do away with Prophets we can read the New Testament and see they still are in the Bible there and if you will look it up you will find their position in the Church is higher than a Preachers.
---Darlene_1 on 4/18/16


Cluny: Unfortunately, those type of theatrics are played out in pulpits hither & yon at an alarming rate. Years ago I read a pertinent comment which said, "The fool tries to convince me with his reasons. The wise man persuades me with my own." It's so tiresome listening to someone talking loud & you know he/she's saying absolutely nothing. :)
---Leon on 4/18/16


One Monday, the sexton was cleaning up the church and found a young preacher's typed up sermon notes still in the pulpit.

One the margin of one paragraph was handwritten, "Argument weak here. Yell like hell."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/16


///Cluny a preacher is not a Prophet. That is two different callings a Preacher and a Prophet. I feel sure you know that. I guess it's possible to be a Preacher called to be a Prophet. I wouldn't think it would be done though because they have different Ministries. [?]
---Darlene_1 on 4/17/16///

Darlene: What's the difference?
---Leon on 4/18/16


Cluny a preacher is not a Prophet. That is two different callings a Preacher and a Prophet. I feel sure you know that. I guess it's possible to be a Preacher called to be a Prophet. I wouldn't think it would be done though because they have different Ministries.
---Darlene_1 on 4/17/16


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Darlene_1:

You wrote: When the anointing of God touches a preacher he may well speak louder and with zeal because he has the power of God upon him. It may be the joy in being blessed with anointing for God's use.

While this is true, sadly the converse is not always true. All too many preachers bellow loudly because they think it will make them sound spirit-filled (or they are actually deluded into thinking it will actually inspire the spirit - I'm not sure which is worse), but instead of breathing out the spirit, all they are exhaling is hot air.
---StrongAxe on 4/17/16


Good point Darlene.
---Leon on 4/17/16


And it might be just shouting for shouting's sake because the people expect their preacher to be a cheerleader.

Darlene, the Bible says the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/16


When the anointing of God touches a preacher he may well speak louder and with zeal because he has the power of God upon him. It may be the joy in being blessed with anointing for God's use.
---Darlene_1 on 4/17/16


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Bill said, "It depends on who is doing it, and how.

Jesus Himself called out loudly, at times, I understand. We might make sure we give our attention to what Jesus has spoken loudly.

For example, Jesus "cried out", "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink," in John 7:37-38."


There are all times when we speak forcefully, but to spend the better part of an hour--or more--shouting sounds more like Hitler that Christ.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/16


Bill: Good point. Thx!
---Leon on 4/15/16


It depends on who is doing it, and how.

Jesus Himself called out loudly, at times, I understand. We might make sure we give our attention to what Jesus has spoken loudly.

For example, Jesus "cried out", "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink," in John 7:37-38.
---Bill on 4/15/16


Darlene said, "To me you're a Brother in Christ and I will be praying."

Thank you!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/14/16


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Monk Brendan I just want to add something about you in what you say about the chemical imbalance ,I hope you don't mind. It is no different than being a diabetic,the body isn't doing the job it's created for in the way God intended. There is no shame in that and with your condition it certainly isn't being unstable in the mind. One of my dearest,good Christian, friends was like that and it is hard to deal with. Besides my Degree is in Psychology and part of learning about the mind is learning how the body affects the brain. To me you're a Brother in Christ and I will be praying.
---Darlene_1 on 4/14/16


Leon said, "Monk: Tin foil hat, aliens? Your thought & words, not mine. Put a muzzle on it before they come & take you away to the probeosphere."

Leon, muzzle your mouth, and I may tone down the rhetoric on mine.

Besides, the tinfoil hat you tried to send me was too large. I would need something on the size of what you wear.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/16


Monk: Tin foil hat, aliens? Your thought & words, not mine. Put a muzzle on it before they come & take you away to the probeosphere. lol
---Leon on 4/13/16


Leon said, " Regarding the monk man, I just stated the obvious based upon his own comments regarding his unstable state of mind."

I have NOT stated my mind is unstable. I am suffering from clinical depression, and not a psychosis or neurosis. It is a simple imbalance of the chemicals in my brain.

As I have noted previously, I am mentally acute and properly oriented in space and time.

I do not wear (or feel the need to wear) a tinfoil hat, nor keep an eye out for aliens that might want to abduct me.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/16


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Mond Brendan Please remember that Satan comes to steal,kill,and destroy and he does it in our minds. When you swing from one mood to another and one is a bad thought you are not mentally ill,that is how Satan catches people. You must fight him. The Bible says we have power over all the power of the enemy therefore recognize when it's not you thinking such thoughts it is Satan's henchmen. Rebuke like this, spirit of anger I rebuke you in Jesus Name and send you to the realm of darkness and bind you there in Jesus Name. Then ask God for forgiveness for bad thoughts because you want to show you hate them and go right into praising God. God inhabits our praise. Then just love God thank Him for His love and tell Him how much you love Him. Rejoice!!!
---Darlene_1 on 4/12/16


'Axe: Regarding the monk man, I just stated the obvious based upon his own comments regarding his unstable state of mind. What Karen did was jump to a conclusion based solely upon her unfounded personal opinion of me. That's a big difference. As it pertains to the Golden Rule, I really don't mean either of them any harm. But, I do think it's in everyone's best interest (myself included) to get in touch with & stay closely grounded in Bible reality. Yes definitely, "Do unto others as you would have them do to you." Iron sharpens iron! :)
---Leon on 4/12/16


Leon....You have a way of proving our points. Monk asked for prayer, not sarcasm.
---KarenD on 4/12/16


Leon said, "Unfortunately, the monk man doesn't think like you've suggested because he isn't in his right mind. In his own words he has mood swings that take him "from zero to bastard in two seconds."

Leon, I did not even begin to imply that I am not in my right mind, although I know you have doubted me from the time I first started appearing on these blogs.

I am mentally acute, and properly oriented in time and space.

It is my emotions that are being tested, and yes, I know it is a test. I know that, with God's help, I will overcome this test, as I have every other test the God has allowed me to go through.

Please write accurately, Leon.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/12/16


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StrongAxe said, "Rather than rejoicing in him tripping himself up, it would be more forgiving to rather rejoice in the fact that he acknowledges correct behavior, whether or not he succeeds in achieving it 100% of the time."

Your right. I apologize.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/12/16


Leon:

On the one hand, you are taking umbrage at KarenD judging you, yet in the immediately previous breath, you were judging Monk_Brendan as being delusional and demon-possessed. What about the Golden Rule?

While it's true demons can cause many kinds of physical and mental illnesses, it doesn't follow that all such illnesses are necessarily caused by demons.

Unfortunately, the monk man doesn't think like you've suggested because he isn't in his right mind.

Are you medically qualified to diagnose mental illness?

In his own words he has mood swings that take him "from zero to bastard in two seconds".

I sometimes do too, but remain silent when I do.
---StrongAxe on 4/12/16


'Axe: Unfortunately, the monk man doesn't think like you've suggested because he isn't in his right mind. In his own words he has mood swings that take him "from zero to bastard in two seconds".
---Leon on 4/12/16


Take your lithium Monk & the delusion demons will go away.

KarenD: You seem to think you know me well enough to judge me. Howbeit?
---Leon on 4/11/16


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Leon...Since I do not know you at all, why would you think I have a personal issue with you? I am only making a comment about your posts. You usually give your opinion by the way you post the questions.
---KarenD on 4/11/16


I personally find many of these "vocal traditions" distasteful, such as hollering when there is no need (given modern electronics), or haranguing to inflame the audience's emotions to where they will be accept anything ("Can you say amen? I didn't hear that! Louder!"). The one that irritates me like nails on a chalkboard is when they add "a" to everything ("When JEEEzusa came to JerRUUUsalema...")

Monk_Brendan wrote: Oh Bravo, Leon! You have indicted yourself with your own hand.

Rather than rejoicing in him tripping himself up, it would be more forgiving to rather rejoice in the fact that he acknowledges correct behavior, whether or not he succeeds in achieving it 100% of the time.
---StrongAxe on 4/11/16


Geraldine, Rita_H & Josef: There's truth in what each of you say. Microphones are a 20th century invention. Before that preachers spoke to the masses in an outdoor or indoor amphitheater type environment where the accoustics could carry one's voice loud & clear to the people. I don't believe loud preaching was intended initially to keep people awake since in most instances they stood & listened to preaching. That's not to say some didn't sit, e.g., the man who fell out the window & died while Paul preached. The loud speaking method is a tradition passed down generationally as an acceptable way of preaching. Loud speaking sometimes does have the desired affect of waking up dull of hearing people. :)
---Leon on 4/11/16


Leon There are people in churches who are old and also doze off at home and it's not unusual for them to fall asleep in church. My own dear Grandmother sometimes did that so I have first hand knowledge of it. The loud preaching may have helped her wake up,I don't recall that. I remember her sleeping because sometimes I would wake her up.
---Darlene_1 on 4/11/16


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Leon said, "What you say "isn't right". I've on a number of occasions agreed with bloggers I knew to be right. Perhaps I may've agreed with you at least once over the years. It sounds like you have more of a personal, rather than factual, issue with me. I really don't know why that is...I don't believe CN should be a place for personal biases & perpetual, petty bickering. Rather it should be a place where Christian charity & the light of God abounds in all who name Jesus as Savior & Lord. That way we can all be "right" in Him."

Oh Bravo, Leon! You have indicted yourself with your own hand.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/11/16


KarenD: What you say "isn't right". I've on a number of occasions agreed with bloggers I knew to be right. Perhaps I may've agreed with you at least once over the years. It sounds like you have more of a personal, rather than factual, issue with me. I really don't know why that is. If at any time I've offended you please accept my apology. I believe right is right & wrong is definitely wrong regardless of who are the persons presenting one or the other. I don't believe CN should be a place for personal biases & perpetual, petty bickering. Rather it should be a place where Christian charity & the light of God abounds in all who name Jesus as Savior & Lord. That way we can all be "right" in Him.
---Leon on 4/11/16


Leon....You're questions always end up with the same results. Your answers are the only ones you think are right.
---KarenD on 4/11/16


No KarenD. You don't get it at all. Why would you say something as judgmentally off the wall as that?
---Leon on 4/10/16


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Leon...I get it now. Your church is the only one teaching the "truth."
---KarenD on 4/10/16


KarenD: Why would people be asleep in the first place if what they're being told is really good news (the gospel)?
---Leon on 4/9/16


Trying to wake people up!!!!!
---KarenD on 4/9/16


I enjoyed your point Monk Brendan. It is true.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16


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When St. Paul, or St. John Chrysostom (golden mouth) preached, there were no amplification devices. Wesley, Calvin and Luther lacked them as well. However, the congregations were a bit better behaved than they are now, thus, quieter.

There is a tradition (in the Protestant Churches--at least) that calls for hollering. It comes from the times of the tent meetings, many of whom had no amplifiers, either. And it has been passed down, just like the pernicious traditions that the Catholics are so often accused of, to today.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/7/16


Empty vessels make the loudest noise.
---Rita_H on 4/7/16

Wow...this is my favorite. How the heck are you doing anyway miss Rita. Our thoughts are still on ya. Nice looking garden you have going there.

Luk_8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
---Trav on 4/7/16


It is Just apart of the show, and is usually an exchange, even if the response is simply one word, like well, amen, or preach. It stirs the audience up an gives them an opportunity to participate. No harm, no foul.
---Josef on 4/7/16


Empty vessels make the loudest noise.
---Rita_H on 4/7/16


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I think that with some they think it is the only way to cause the audience to listen.
---Geraldine on 4/6/16


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