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In (John 1:12) KJV, it says Jesus gave to us the "Power" to become the Sons of God. What is this Power?

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That's ok, aservant.

I'm amused when you try to hurl insults at me from the depths of your ignorance, or try to teach me about God from your lost condition.

Just repent and turn to Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/16


Sarcasm ill becomes you!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/7/16


I apologize. Lord, please forgive me, in Jesus name.
---aservant on 7/7/16


A Servant said, "We will know you are right when God allows a Cluny's to be a most widely used reference. Until then, the quite insufficient Strong's Heb / Grk dictionary must do."

Sarcasm ill becomes you!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/7/16


\\Until then, the quite insufficient Strong's Heb / Grk dictionary must do. \\

Ever hear of Liddell and Scott's Greek lexicon? Or The Hebrew lexicon of Genesius?

Jesus told me to tell you that you aren't saved, aservant.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/7/16


aservant, as I have frequently pointed out, Strong's lexica might be interesting tools for an amateur, but they are NOT the last word in Biblical lexicography.
---Cluny on 7/7/16


We will know you are right when God allows a Cluny's to be a most widely used reference. Until then, the quite insufficient Strong's Heb / Grk dictionary must do.

Perhaps the unrivaled mind of a professional like you, Cluny, would take the initiative and answer these questions with your superior ref books.

I guess you learned the 'Spirit does not reside in the flesh of man' from one of your "better" books.
---aservant on 7/7/16




aservant, as I have frequently pointed out, Strong's lexica might be interesting tools for an amateur, but they are NOT the last word in Biblical lexicography.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/7/16


Are you saying that because a man does something, he is not fit for heaven?

All have sinned, thus no one is righteous - Rom 3:10. No one is fit for heaven. God imputes those He calls, elects, or chooses to righteousness, and applies His royal edict of imputed righteousness to whom He selects - Rom 4:11, 22-24, 5:13.

Where does God's grace end?

Rom 5:20 . . . where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

All receive much grace during their lives, but the UNcalled, UNelected, and UNchosen do not receive that level of grace that puts them into Heaven.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/16
---aservant on 7/7/16


In (John 1:12) KJV, it says Jesus gave to us the "Power" to become the Sons of God. What is this Power?---David on 4/7/16

Here is the (Strong's) Greek definition

powerG1849

G1849
& #949, & #787, & #958, & #959, & #965, & #963, & #953, & #769, & #945,
exousia
ex-oo-see'-ah
From G1832 (in the sense of ability), privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

From TSK - power: or, the right, or privilege
---aservant on 7/6/16


There's a difference between obtaining salvation and a conversion experience.

Most evangelicals don't know the difference.

St. Paul himself talks about the "salvation to be revealed."

And as I said earlier, we should seek our security in Christ Himself, Who is eternal, and not our own act of faith, much less pious feelings that come and go.

THAT is eternal security.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/16


Samuel BB said, " Monk Bredan I would not expect an answer that sounds like once saved always saved from you."

Nor is it. Read the phrases again, notice that once in a while I don't use the same sequence of words to make up a sentence.

Do you not understand me? Or is it just that you misread.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/5/16




In (John 1:12) KJV, it says Jesus gave to us the "Power" to become the Sons of God. What is this Power?

See Genesis 4:26 & 6:2.
---Leon on 6/5/16


Monk Bredan I would not expect an answer that sounds like once saved always saved from you.

People who choose to live in sin are not saved by Grace. A follower of GOD loves others.

NASB 1John 2:3-6
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
The one who says, I have come to know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Read Romans 6

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/16


powerG1849

G1849

& #949, & #787, & #958, & #959, & #965, & #963, & #953, & #769, & #945,
exousia
ex-oo-see'-ah
From G1832 (in the sense of ability), privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.
---aservant on 4/27/16


Luke said, "Many things are correct but many things are very wrong.
If some Catholic priest molest many children and we mention it here when we answer you or another Catholic, it is not an attack on you, you did not do the act they did. So it is not an attack on you personally. "


So are you saying that a pedophile, or an adulterer, or a divorcee looking to get married again, or whatever is not to be extended the same grace that God has extended to you?

Maybe you aren't a pedophile, or adulterer, or divorcee, but: Romans 2:23 KJV "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,"

Are you saying that because a man does something, he is not fit for heaven?

Where does God's grace end?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/16


Monk, you keeps saying there are attacks at you, but they are not. They are attacks at what your Church teaches compare to what the Bible teaches. Many things are correct but many things are very wrong.
If some Catholic priest molest many children and we mention it here when we answer you or another Catholic, it is not an attack on you, you did not do the act they did. So it is not an attack on you personally.
Concerning the blog, the word "power" in John 1:12 has a few meanings, and it depends on the topic of the passage. Here it can be said He gave us authority to become sons of God.
---Luke on 4/17/16


\\Based on the atrocities of the Catholic Church, I am more inclined to believe Catholics do take part in ninth circle rituals. \\

In other words, you believe it because you WANT to believe it, not because you have any solid evidence.

Pray to be delivered from what the Bible calls "vain thoughts and evil imaginations."

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 4/16/16


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Cluny, for the sake of the children I pray that I'm wrong.

Based on the atrocities of the Catholic Church, I am more inclined to believe Catholics do take part in ninth circle rituals.

This is another blog topic by itself!
---Rob on 4/16/16


\\I read the term Christ in you is believed by some to mean that you have to have communion to have Physically Christ in you or you aren't saved. Have you heard of this?\\

Who in particular says or believes this, Samuel?

Actually, Christ comes into the soul of the individual spiritually in Baptism and Chrismation BEFORE physically in the Eucharist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/16/16


Rob, I looked up "ninth circle."

Do you really believe that Roman Catholics consume flesh and blood of ritually sacrificed children?

Please answer yes or no.

If yes, why? On the basis of what evidence?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/15/16


Similar but not the same Cluny.

Jews were accused of murdering children to make Passover bread. Something they never did.

RCC and the Others. Say they actually do eat the physical body and drink the actual blood of Jesus.

So when any group says they do this. Why should they not accept that it is true.

I have heard something I wanted to ask you about.

I read the term Christ in you is believed by some to mean that you have to have communion to have Physically Christ in you or you aren't saved. Have you heard of this?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/16


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\\Rob said, "I am now convinced and believe Catholics do literally eat the flesh and drink the blood."\\

The same slander was aimed at Jews throughout the centuries.

This was totally without foundation, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/15/16


Rob said, "Monk Brendan, I have been studying, doing research, and have been more enlightened."

Rob, I have looked up all of the posts you have made since 3/29 of this year.

I have also noticed that almost all of the time you speak to Cluny or myself you attack and insult us. Why?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/16


And Jesus said He had "power" to lay down and take up His life. So, it is more than a "right", I consider.

In the Greek dictionary of my concordance >

the word for "power" is 1849 > power, strength

words related to 1849 are >

1832 > out in public < so this can mean not needing to be in secret because no one can stop it.

and 1832 is related to 1537 and 1510 combined > this seems like it can mean exist-out-completely > meaning God will succeed!

And the same "power" word, 1849, is used for being "strong in the Lord and in the power of His might" > Ephesians 6:10. So, this can mean God Himself in us succeeding > Philippians 2:13.
---Bill on 4/15/16


Rob, I have no idea what you mean by "Ninth Circle."

Do you?

If so, please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/14/16


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Rob said, "I am now convinced and believe Catholics do literally eat the flesh and drink the blood."

Yes, we do. We eat and drink the Body and Blood OF JESUS, mystically veiled as elements of bread and wine.

"From doing research, I now believe this because many Catholics are apart of the NINTH CIRCLE, and take part in their rituals."

Pay attention. The Body and Blood of Christ, not living (or recently sacrificed) people.

There are all sorts of things that can be found on the internet. Most of the lurid ones are fiction, designed to sell papers. I don't believe everything I read, and you shouldn't either.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/14/16


Monk Brendan, I have been studying, doing research, and have been more enlightened.

I am now convinced and believe Catholics do literally eat the flesh and drink the blood.

From doing research, I now believe this because many Catholics are apart of the NINTH CIRCLE, and take part in their rituals.
---Rob on 4/13/16


\\You added a word "creation" that is not in the verse. \\

The context is talking about creation, Trav.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/13/16


Trav, you are quite right. ... "sons of God shouting for joy" at the creation, mentioned in Job.
---Cluny on 4/12/16

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
You added a word "creation" that is not in the verse.
These Stars may be Angels.
The son's of GOD were of Gen 2 Adam.
Gen_5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. ...
Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days, also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, ...
Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, ...according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 4/13/16


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As Trav has already quoted, it is the sons who will receive an inheritance.
what Paul was referring to in Romans 2:6-7

Hebrews 2:9-10
---James_L on 4/12/16

Thanks James,you may not like me lon,lon time. Scriptures I post are not popular. But, GOD being a righteous GOD will do what is righteous and what he wants to.
As mentioned in other posts Israel was a wife/divorced to be remarried and a servant people. While many want Israels blessings they do not want the servant status. Unless it fits their idea and they are paid...here on earth.
Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
---Trav on 4/13/16


As Trav has already quoted, it is the sons who will receive an inheritance.

The power to become a son of God is the Holy Spirit, as michael e. stated.

This is what Paul was referring to in Romans 2:6-7

To those who by doing good seek honor and glory and immortality. ..then he went on to say we have all sinned and dallen short of this glory. But in Christ we can obtain this glory. Hebrews 2:9-10 He is bringing many sons to glory
---James_L on 4/12/16


The laws of GOD were not written in their hearts of Israel in the first Covenant. Animal sacrifice removed the guilt from the conscience but not their heart. ---Trav on 4/12/16

Trav
Are you saying, you believe the "Take Away" is Jesus removing guilt of sin from the conscience, as well as the heart?

BTW, nice to talk to you again.
---David on 4/13/16


Trav
But a little research about the animal sacrifice in (Leviticus 4), reveals this was not the limitation mentioned in (Hebrews 10:4).
---David on 4/12/16

The laws of GOD were not written in their hearts of Israel in the first Covenant. Animal sacrifice removed the guilt from the conscience but not their heart.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

---Trav on 4/12/16


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Trav, you are quite right. The Bible uses "son/s of God" in different ways.

Don't forget the "sons of God shouting for joy" at the creation, mentioned in Job.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/16


Sadly, very few people know how to properly partake of His Blood.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/8/16

Wow. Even more sad is someone pretending they have authority and knowledge saying they have the knowledge and won't share it.
You don't share because you don't understand yourself, and do not know how to explain it.
You are caught in the circular doctrines the rcc indoctrinated you into.

Isa_5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Pro_26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
---Trav on 4/12/16


Samuel and Trav
You are both well acquainted with the Bible, and perhaps more open to discussion about how (Hebrews) differentiates the sacrifice of Jesus Christ from the animal sacrifice.

In (Hebrews 10:4) it tells us about the limitation of the animal sacrifice, a limitation, overcome through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. But the question remains, what was this limitation which can be overcome through the sacrifice of Christ?

At first glance it appears to be speaking of atonement and forgiveness. But a little research about the animal sacrifice in (Leviticus 4), reveals this was not the limitation mentioned in (Hebrews 10:4).
---David on 4/12/16


His blood his death paid the penalty for sin.

Leviticus 16:27
And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place,

We are guilty of sin. But the blood of the innocent Christ cleanses our sin away.

1John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The memorials we partake of are to remind us of the Cross and his death till Jesus comes.

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/11/16


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In (John 1:12) KJV, it says Jesus gave to us the "Power" to become the Sons of God.
---David on 4/7/16

Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, ....
Eze_46:16 saith the Lord GOD, If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons', it shall be their possession by inheritance.

Hos_1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel :
---Trav on 4/11/16


\\How does the Blood of Christ take away sin?\\

I have no idea. It's sufficient for me that He does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/11/16


The power is in the ENTIRE Christ because He is fully human and fully divine. Don't chop Him into pieces or organs.--Cluny on 4/10/16

Cluny
I separated not by organ, as in your accusation, but by Body and Blood, as Christ did in (Mark 14:22-23). As you can see below, your issue is with him, not with me.

22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.

Your an intelligent man, I ask you, How does the Blood of Christ take away sin?
---David on 4/11/16


David, the word "Power" in the Gr. is "Exousia" in John 1:12, and it refers to "permission" "allowed" "right" "authority" "capability"
it also means "Justified" having the right to justify power In (Matt. 8:9, Rev. 18:1).
So the word "Power" has many meanings depending on the passage.
---Luke on 4/11/16


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\\Now if the animal sacrifice can not take away sin, as the blood of Christ can, do you agree or disagree, there is Power in the Blood of Christ?\\

The power is in the ENTIRE Christ because He is fully human and fully divine.

Don't chop Him into pieces or organs.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/10/16


David, we are saved by the ENTIRE Christ, not just by part of His physical body.--Cluny on 4/9/16

Cluny
I didn't imply we weren't.
I was showing you what differentiates the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, from the animal sacrifice. The two sacrifices God provided to man, for the forgiveness of sin.

The Body of Christ provides us with atonement and forgiveness of sin, as the animal sacrifice provided, which one can clearly see in (Leviticus 4). But we are talking about the Blood, and I am revealing to you the Power in Christ's Blood.

Now if the animal sacrifice can not take away sin, as the blood of Christ can, do you agree or disagree, there is Power in the Blood of Christ?
---David on 4/10/16


David, we are saved by the ENTIRE Christ, not just by part of His physical body.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/9/16


Power of the blood and the Power of the Holy Spirit to overcome sin in us.

We look to Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/9/16


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Cluny
Isn't Salvation needed for us to become a Son of God? And isn't the Blood of Christ needed for the remission of sin? And isn't the remission of sin required for our salvation?

(Matthew 26:28) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
(Luke 1:77) To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,



Now since remission of sin was not afforded to the sinner through the animal sacrifice. And this remission comes only through the blood of Christ for salvation. A salvation needed to become a Son of God. I would dare say the Blood of Christ is the power referenced in the verse.
---David on 4/9/16


The Father sent a LAMB for sacrifice because the old method of sacrifice was insufficient (scripture will provide explanations).

Become familiar with what is in scripture...

Heb 10:4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.
---faithforfaith on 4/9/16


David: The "power of God" is the gospel (good news) about Jesus Christ (Romans 1:16). Jesus Christ is the Word of God & the gospel of the Word of God is contained in the divinely inspired Bible.
---Leon on 4/9/16


\\David said, "I ask because the KJV, and this verse in particular, is where we get the teaching, there is power in the Blood \\

This is eisogesis--that is, reading something INTO a passage. There's nothing in the context to support this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/16


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Do you think "power" is defined in either passge as a physical force, such as "over-powering"?
---micha9344 on 4/8/16


Micha
No, the verse speaks of the power the animal sacrifice lacked. The power mentioned in (Hebrews 10:4), the power to take away sin.
"For the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins."

The animal sacrifice, for those under the law, did bring the sinner atonement and forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 4), but it could not "Take away" their sin. But now the question is, what does the verse mean when it says, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ can "Take away" our sin?

Your thoughts?
Anybody?
---David on 4/9/16


David said, "I ask because the KJV, and this verse in particular, is where we get the teaching, there is power in the Blood of Christ. I am curious to know, if folks who do not accept this version believe in this power too."

In the NIV, the verse is rendered "Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God."

I agree that there is power in the Blood of the Lamb. However, naming and claiming that power does not make it yours. One has to partake in the Blood of Christ in order to be able to use it effectively. Sadly, very few people know how to properly partake of His Blood.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/8/16


//What is this Power?//
Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 BUT ye shall receive POWER, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:"...
---michael_e on 4/8/16


David, It is not the translation that is erred but the choice of definition.
The other translations make the definition of the KJV's "power" in that verse clear.
In regards to "the power in the blood", that is the power to set us free from the bondage and death.
Christ said "All power is given to me in Heaven and in Earth."
Many translation use "authority."
Do you think "power" is defined in either passge as a physical force, such as "over-powering"?
---micha9344 on 4/8/16


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"Power", in the KJV and a few others, is translated "right" in the NKJV and many others.
---micha9344 on 4/7/16


Micha
Why do you believe theses other translations prefer the word "Right" over the word "Power"?

I ask because the KJV, and this verse in particular, is where we get the teaching, there is power in the Blood of Christ. I am curious to know, if folks who do not accept this version believe in this power too.
---David on 4/8/16


Great thoughts. Thanks
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/16


The "power" is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:14 says explicitly that those who are led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God.

Child is "teknon" in Greek
Son is "huios"

Son denotes maturity

We are all children through faith, we become sons through suffering our will to His

Not every child will grow to maturity
---James_L on 4/7/16


"Power", in the KJV and a few others, is translated "right" in the NKJV and many others.
YLT has "authority."
We have the right, or authority, to become the sons of God through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who broke down the partition between us and God and has made us peace.
Eph 2:14-16 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us], Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace, And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
We have no power, authority nor right otherwise.
---micha9344 on 4/7/16


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God does not want to be Master, but Father.......awesome concept and a great way to look at it. Thanks for posting.
---Press_On on 4/7/16


The "power" is simply the ABILITY to be a son of God (when we call Him "Abba FATHER").

God does not want to be a MASTER to us, He wants to be our FATHER (Heavenly FATHER). He wants us to be "MASTER OF OURSELVES".

As ADOPTED sons (Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN son... offspring of the father), we are JESUS'S BROTHERS/brethren.
---faithforfaith on 4/7/16


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