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Jesus Gave Great Commission

When Jesus gave the Great Commission, He said,...and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

If He said that, then when did He fail that the Good News had to be re-discovered some 1500+ years later?

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\\Sir, did you know he explain what those traditions were in context\\

Actually, he did not.

\\ have you ever read Thesoloanians\\

Which one.

Please don't post run-on sentences.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/16


Right we are to keep the traditions the Apostles taught. Since when Paul wrote this all scripture was not finished. He is pointing to the time when all the original authors have their writing available.

Also no tradition would contradict a previous tradition that comes from Scripture.

Tell me Cluny how can a new tradition be from the Apostles hundreds of year after their death and especially if it contradicts what they wrote?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/16


Cluny:

You said:

"And you think this means Sola Scriptura?"

Sir, Do you understand what "Sola Scriptura." mean?


"St. Paul also said, "Keep the TRADITIONS that have been taught you, whether by our [spoken] word or [written] epistle."

Sir, did you know he explain what those traditions were in context have you ever read Thesoloanians
---john9346 on 5/29/16


\\Paul hear says that the Scriptures are, "Theopneustos."
\\

And you think this means Sola Scriptura?

St. Paul also said, "Keep the TRADITIONS that have been taught you, whether by our [spoken] word or [written] epistle."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


cluny states, "The Bible nowhere says that, though."

Sir, have you ever read 2 Timothy 3:16-17??

Paul hear says that the Scriptures are, "Theopneustos."

This is never used to describe the church or the words of a human being.
---john9346 on 5/25/16




So everyone can understand:

Here is Brendan in honesty making an admition about the Marian Dogmas:admittin


"Mary was still alive at the time of Acts 2--so none of the definitions of what Christians are supposed to believe about Mary had been developed."
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/16
From the blog, "Language of the Bible."

He also in honesty admitted no Church Father ever taught that they, "Gave the world the bible." or "Gave the bible its authority."


From the blog, "Language of the bible."


---john9346 on 5/25/16


\\In the Christian Religion, The Scriptures Alone are the only Infallible Rule of Faith and Practice for us.\\

The Bible nowhere says that, though.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


Brendan and Cluny,

Gentlemen, I would like for you to keep in mind the following:

"Those who do not have good arguments or verses for their views. Often resort to juvenile remarks, snide comments and personal attacks." john
---john9346 on 5/24/16


Brendan said, "John, the point I am trying to get across to you is that those concepts are twisted and false."

Sir, what you must demonstrate to us is that the church of Acts 2 practice and taught these dogmas.

I would note, on a following blog you admitted no church father taught (Sola Ekklesia) and the Marian Dogmas came later after the Scriptures.
---john9346 on 5/24/16


Cluny,

Listen very carefully,

Fundamentally, you have a misunderstanding.

Martin Luther and John Calvin are not my authority neither did they ever claim infallibility.

The mindset you are espousing is in your religion not in Christianity...

In the Christian Religion, The Scriptures Alone are the only Infallible Rule of Faith and Practice for us.

Am Praying that Yahweh will guide you today,

John
---john9346 on 5/24/16




John 9346 said, "Because over a period of 1500 years, the church had become apostate not completely, but a majority in practice."

If what you are saying is true, that the RCC became apostate, and if you belong to a different denomination, and if you believe that I am not one of the Elect, then why bother about it? Why beat your head against a wall? Because it feels so good when you stop?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/17/16


Is there any point in saying to john9346 that immaculate conception, co-redemptrix, papal primacy and infallibility,purgatory, indulgences, and Sola Ekklesia are not Orthodox doctrines?

Furthermore, there is an article on the web by a Calvinist (his favorite theologian) saying that "sola ecclesia" is a forgotten Reformation doctrine.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/16


John 9346 said, "Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix,papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia.

John, the point I am trying to get across to you is that those concepts are twisted and false. I am not blaming you. You learned it at your mother's knee, probably. However, if you wish to criticize, then at least learn to spell the words correctly. For example, you have continued to spell Eukarist, and the correct spelling is Eucharist.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/9/16


Monk Brendan I work never to bash the Roman Catholic Church. I oppose and disagree with certain teachings.

We have a doctrinal dispute. The same is true you disagree with what I teach. In general you and Cluny have done so in a Christian manner. Others here have also done so.

But not everyone. Agape to everyone.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/16


And one more thing, john9346.

Martin Luther himself continued to go to confession once a week, even after left the Roman Catholic Church.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/16


john9346, I forgot to mention that Jean Chauvin (known to many as John Calvin) believed in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/16


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John 9346 said, "For example:

Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia."


So you go right back to bashing the Catholics, even after I have taken the time to explain all these things.

Shame on you!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/6/16


john9346, did you know that Luther believed in the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Virgin, as well as her Perpetual Virginity?

He also believed that the Eucharist (note the proper spelling) was truly the Body and Blood of Christ.

And that his first liturgical works were Formula for MASS and Communion (for Latin services, btw) and under pressure much later he issued his German MASS?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/16


John I agree that the points you pointed out were added to what the church did. In many ways some of them hid the gospel.

But for those like Luther and others who dug deep the gospel was still there. Just hidden. The were given the task by GOD to represent the Gospel in a way that more could understand it.

So the gospel never failed. But men who were supposed to be apostles. Became by greed and love of money and power false apostles. Just as the Bible stated would happen.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/6/16


Brendan asked, "If He said that, then when did He fail that the Good News had to be re-discovered some 1500+ years later?"

Because over a period of 1500 years, the church had become apostate not completely, but a majority in practice.

For example:


Mary's perpetual virginity, immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix, and mediatrix.

papal primacy and infallibility, the priesthood, purgatory, indulgences, confession, penance, the Eukarist, the mass, the veneration of icons and dead saints, and Sola Ekklesia.
---john9346 on 5/5/16


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To Trav:...Peter or Paul did not establish our Church. You're right.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16

No home church here. I'm not a member of any denom church.
Christ was no denom...except of Israel's Ekklesia:.
You don't claim, discuss or look for Israel...so you cannot be the "ekklesia". You are climbing in another way.

Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Zec_10:8 I will hiss for them, and gather them, for I have redeemed them: they shall increase as they have increased.

Joh_11:52 ... he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
---Trav on 5/4/16


Correct on your History Monk Brendan. Also on who founded the Church. In Protestant hymns there is one called the Church's one Foundation. It is Jesus Christ the Lord. It is on you tube you should listen to it. It is beautiful.

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,
---Samuelbb7 on 5/3/16


Trav said, "Peter or Paul didn't establish your cult. Constantine a roman established your political cult."

Peter or Paul did not establish our Church. You're right. It was Jesus Christ Himself that established the Church.

Constantine stopped the persecution of Christianity in the Roman Empire in 313 A.D.

Speaking of cults, Trav, how is your little "home church with no funds" cult running?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


Trav your history is off. I am going to suggest that you go on You Tube and watch Extra History on Early Christian schisms. Just to get your history a little better.

Also you reject Paul as an authority.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/2/16


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...Catholic Church has misused money in the past,...
Draw your own conclusions.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/29/16

Peter or Paul didn't establish your cult. Constantine a roman established your political cult.
Your cult misused/abused and requested money in the past and in the present.
But, irregardless of the money as a mark, the false priesthood establish daily by fact, that your cult confesses to a men standing in front of Christ. Additionally add a scripturally opposed papa/pope.
Your personal bondage reveals itself every, defensive post.
2Pe_2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
---Trav on 5/2/16


Trav
When you read (Galatians 2:4-6), who do you think Paul referred to...
---David on 5/1/16

Interesting thinking...one of the keys is figuring this out is who both of these were to go to. Vulgate latin word Gentile means "ethnos" and if you look heathen translates the same way "ethnos". Same race or habit.
Paul was to the "ethnos" of the divorced north house of Ten and Peter was the the South house of Judah (circumcised). Judeans or imposter judeans would have been the "brothers" trying to bring the bondage of the "old" into the church. Similar to what the rcc and ortho do with their priest. Simple method of control.
---Trav on 5/2/16


\\Trav
When you read (Galatians 2:4-6), Gal 2:4...false brethren unawares brought in, ...to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
\\
People like Trav and David.
---Cluny on 5/1/16

First of all cluny, I find no kinship relation-ship by your vehemence to scripture witnessing scripture. These witnesses inflame your spirit of denial. You cannot discuss them, because you are opposed to them. Under "bondage" to your false cults, you sow scorn and sarcasm and harvest what you love...discord.
Our freedom infuriating you guys, marks you and your monk.

2Pe_2:19...for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
---Trav on 5/2/16


\\Trav
When you read (Galatians 2:4-6), who do you think Paul referred to as the "False brothers", who came in to spy? \\

People like Trav and David.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/16


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Trav
When you read (Galatians 2:4-6), who do you think Paul referred to as the "False brothers", who came in to spy?

Now when you read a description of these false brothers in verse 6, it appears as though these were the same men trying to get control of the church in (Acts 15). These men who were once something, but now under the law of Christ, are no longer what they once were (Pharisee's).

But in the eyes of the circumcised believers, those in Peters charge, don't you think these men still held their positions as teacher? And after all the Apostles were killed, these same men took over.

Why is this not written about in our church history? It's because they were the ones who wrote that history!
---David on 5/1/16


Trav, if you're going to criticize the Orthodox Church, criticize what she she actually is, not what you think Roman Catholicism is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/16


The Greek word translated priest is hiereus. All Christians are said to hold the office hierateia. 1Peter 2:5 see also 9 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Elders or presbyteros came into use to mean priests. But that is not from the greek but latter use in church history. The English word as meaning priests is true. But that is not the Biblical meaning.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/16


As I have said frequently, many times the translators of the KJV fudged things to fit their own theology--Cluny on 4/29/16

That's a valid point, the accepted Catholic versions use the word "priest", in place of "elder". And the Protestant versions choose "elder" in place of "Priest". But you choose to read the KJV, which is a Protestant version.
Why?
---David on 4/30/16


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\\Please what I said earlier. There are two words that mean "priest" in English: \\

The above sentence should have read:

Please READ what I said earlier. There are two words that mean "priest" in GREEK:

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/29/16


Trav said, "The catholic doctine/orthodox doctrine is founded on control and $$$$ from the beginning. The cult control (one leader papa/pope) and $$$ mark by sign these symbolic pharisee's."

Really? Was Peter a rich man?
How about Paul? The Catholic Church has misused money in the past, but money has never been preached as necessary for salvation.

For a while I went to an Assembly of God church near Chicago. People were always treated by the content of their wallet. I was poor, so got little to no respect. All of the deacons, all of the elders were rich. Draw your own conclusions.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/29/16


Trav
Have you ever noticed, Paul never even mentions the word "Priest"
---David on 4/28/16

Never noticed. Makes sense, word it appears 478 times. I see it in the New Covenant Testament...about the priest still under the Old Covenant and under the New of non accepting, Judeans..
Paul doesn't authorize Priest in the New because they aren't authorized. Christ is the High Priest.
The catholic doctine/orthodox doctrine is founded on control and $$$$ from the beginning. The cult control (one leader papa/pope) and $$$ mark by sign these symbolic pharisee's.

(papa/pope) Mat_23:9 ...call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
---Trav on 4/29/16


\\Cluny
You actually believe the translators of the KJV, correctly translated the word "Priest", many times while translating the gospels, but then missed the correct translation in Pauls epistles?\\

Please what I said earlier. There are two words that mean "priest" in English: IEREVS, which means the priest as a leader of worship, and PRESBYTEROS, source of the English word "priest" meaning the second order of ministry.

\\I thought you trusted the translators of the KJV.\\

As I have said frequently, many times the translators of the KJV fudged things to fit their own theology.

"Tradutore, tradditore" applies to the Bible as well.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/29/16


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Actually priests ARE mentioned in St. Paul 's Epistles. The English word PRIEST is a contraction of the Greek word PRESBYTEROS (KJV renders "elder"), or second major order of ministry, through the middle English form PRESTER.
---Cluny on 4/28/16


Cluny
You actually believe the translators of the KJV, correctly translated the word "Priest", many times while translating the gospels, but then missed the correct translation in Pauls epistles?

I thought you trusted the translators of the KJV. If what you say is true, you must admit, it was a big error on their part.
Did any bible translator catch this error, or are you the only one?
---David on 4/29/16


\\Whether they are called priests or presbyters or un-galla-galla (not that they are), it is not pertinent to the conversation.\\

I disagree.

My point is that most Indo-European languages have two different words for priests, which is something a lot of people don't know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/28/16


Cluny said, "Compare with the French word PRETRE."

Cluny, sometimes I think you pick nits to get people riles up. The French word has nothing to do with the topic.

Whether they are called priests or presbyters or un-galla-galla (not that they are), it is not pertinent to the conversation.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/28/16


\\Paul wrote his epistles 50 years after Christ was crucified,\\

Actually, St. Paul died in 69 AD during the persecution of Nero. This was only 36 years after Christ died.

\\ and since He failed to mention these priests, which are a big part of the Catholic Church, doesn't this prove the Catholic Priest did not exist when Paul wrote his epistles?\\

Not at all.

Actually priests ARE mentioned in St. Paul 's Epistles. The English word PRIEST is a contraction of the Greek word PRESBYTEROS (KJV renders "elder"), or second major order of ministry, through the middle English form PRESTER.

Compare with the French word PRETRE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/28/16


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Trav
Have you ever noticed, Paul never even mentions the word "Priest" in his Epistles? He spoke to all those churches, and not one mention of the priests.

Paul wrote his epistles 50 years after Christ was crucified, and since He failed to mention these priests, which are a big part of the Catholic Church, doesn't this prove the Catholic Priest did not exist when Paul wrote his epistles?

Now if there is no mention of the Catholic priest, there was no Catholic Church when the epistles were written. Or do you think maybe, the word "Priest" had not been coined yet?
---David on 4/28/16


David said, "You believe yours is the Priesthood of Jesus Christ. If this is true, why did Paul call Peter, Peter in (Galatians 1:18)? Since he was addressing the church in his epistle, why didn't he call him Pope Peter?"

The word Pope had not been coined and used as a referent to the Bishop of Rome.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/16


\\Reintroduced to scripture (after 40years) by trying to prove a provoking jerk like myself wrong.\\

Nice to know you admit you're a jerk, Trav.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/27/16


Trav, you sure do hate it when people don't roll over and admit you're right.
---Cluny on 4/27/16

Scripture doesn't need admission, just acceptance. Reintroduced to scripture (after 40years) by trying to prove a provoking jerk like myself wrong. I wash this mans feet in front of you all.
This man I couldn't stand, provoked me by only pointing out the obvious majority of witnesses in scripture.
Now if I'm wrong...do you not care about me enough as the Christian you claim to be, to show me where scripturally I need to re-evaluate? Following i will ask your forgiveness for being a scripturally wrong jerk.
This is not about being right...
it is about light. If you have light we don't, quit hiding it.
---Trav on 4/27/16


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Trav, you sure do hate it when people don't roll over and admit you're right.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/27/16


\Mat_24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. \\

Then why are you deceived, Trav?

---Cluny on 4/26/16

Why?? Because the wonderfully arrogant orthodox friend we have here won't post multiple scriptural witnesses to help me/any out of my deceptions. He posts to all that he knows I'm/all are deceived (all but him per his post) but, doesn't love anyone enough to prove it.
An orthodox Christian "sheep" hunter/herder or just a goat bleating, or dog barking?
Prove the deception or be silent and wise by silence.
Jas_5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
---Trav on 4/27/16


...the very foundation of the Catholic priesthood. Pharisees believers, who took control of the church, by taking on the role of Priests. <
This could be an interesting discussion brother.
---David on 4/27/16

You've made it more interesting again, with new light, considering what you posted. The pharisee resemblance/mark is accurate. Considering the fact that they force all their cult followers to go through their priest and pay money for all their magic services, is simply incredible in todays world.
Keep those (L.E.D) lights shining.
2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
---Trav on 4/27/16


From the representative pharisee of today. ---Trav on 4/26/16

Trav
True statement. For this was the very foundation of the Catholic priesthood. Pharisees believers, who took control of the church, by taking on the role of Priests. These prominent men, under the law of Moses, we're not about to loose that prominence under the Law of Christ.

Paul confronted Peter (Galatians 2:11-14), because Peter feared these Pharisees. Why would he fear them if he was #1?
Peter simply got in over his head, and Paul, being a Pharisee, understood they intented to take over the Church. And Paul tried to warn him. You can see the beginning of the takeover in (Acts 15).

This could be an interesting discussion brother.
---David on 4/27/16


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\\Mat_24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. \\

Then why are you deceived, Trav?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/26/16


David, tell us everything you actually KNOW (not what you merely think) about the priesthood established by the Roman Catholic Church, ...
---Cluny on 4/21/16

David could tell you that its history and your orthodoc's is not as important as their falseness.
You need earthly priests, Christians/Israel doesn't having one superior to your costumed imposters, priest/papas.
Mat_23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat_24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Heb_8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
---Trav on 4/26/16


Trav, all you are is a bag of wind and bones--useless.

...(rcc)a church ... able to give Luther the very Bible that he quoted from?
---MkBrendan on 4/19/16

From the representative pharisee of today.
Mat5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, persecute you, shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
That the scriptures I post you cannot discuss displays your church position of intolerance to truth by prophet or apostle.
That Luther was persecuted for expo$ing the filthine$$ of your fal$e money grubbing, papa/pope and all under him in power, marks the blindness of your adoration.
Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
---Trav on 4/26/16


Can you understand this difference?
---Cluny on 4/25/16

Cluny
There were only two types of Priesthoods in the bible. The Priesthood of Jesus Christ and Melchizedek, and the The Levite Priesthood.

You believe yours is the Priesthood of Jesus Christ. If this is true, why did Paul call Peter, Peter in (Galatians 1:18)? Since he was addressing the church in his epistle, why didn't he call him Pope Peter?
---David on 4/26/16


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\\ The Catholic Church did not reestablish the Levitical priesthood, but it is based on the Levitical priesthood. \\

That's wrong, too.

The Levitical priesthood was passed on physically only to male descendants of Aaron through the male line.

The priesthood of the Pre-Reformation churches--deacon, presbyter, and bishop--is passed on spiritually by the imposition of hands by the bishop, who is a successor of the apostles.

Can you understand this difference?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/25/16


\\The Catholic Church did not reestablish the Levitical priesthood, but it is based on the Levitical priesthood. I used the word "Reestablished" in error, in my point, that the Catholic priesthood, in no way, resembles the one of Melchizedek.
\\

The Roman Catholic church NEVER claimed to re-establish the levitical priesthood. YOU are the one who made that charge--with no evidence.

And the Roman Catholic church never said it re-established the Melchizedek priesthood, either.

But, unless I'm mistaken, the mormonids claim to have re-established both.

Why are you making these straw-man attacks?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/16


Cluny
Do you know why the Priesthood of Jesus Christ is compared to the Priesthood of Melchizedek's?

If you understood this, then you would understand why I say the Catholic priesthood did not come from the Priesthood of Jesus Christ.
Would you still like me to explain, If I could do it in under 125 words?
---David on 4/23/16


David, tell us everything you actually KNOW (not what you merely think) about the priesthood established by the Roman Catholic Church, how it got started, and why it's Levitical. ---Cluny on 4/21/16

Cluny
The Catholic Church did not reestablish the Levitical priesthood, but it is based on the Levitical priesthood. I used the word "Reestablished" in error, in my point, that the Catholic priesthood, in no way, resembles the one of Melchizedek.
---David on 4/23/16


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\\The priesthood established by the Catholic Church, proves it was not the Church established by Jesus Christ.
---David on 4/17/16\\

David, tell us everything you actually KNOW (not what you merely think) about the priesthood established by the Roman Catholic Church, how it got started, and why it's Levitical.

I'll bet you can do it in fewer that 125 words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/16


\\David said, "The reason I didn't start a blog, on the question we discussed, was because I feared there would have been an all out assault on you, and the Catholic Church."
\\

Let's see.

You said, with no evidence, that the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches had reinstated the levitical priesthood, but now are afraid that people will attack them and Monk Brendan personally if you start a blog on this subject.

Just what do you think that YOU did in this case?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/16


David said, "The reason I didn't start a blog, on the question we discussed, was because I feared there would have been an all out assault on you, and the Catholic Church."

David, in case you haven't noticed, every time I post there is an all out attack on me and the Catholic Church. I'm not afraid of that.

However, most of the people on these blogs seem to forget that I am an EASTERN Catholic, not Roman. I follow the same teachings as the Orthodox Churches. After all, we say the same prayers and believe the same things.

I grew up Roman Catholic, left the Church, wondered around, following my own path (that didn't work) and finally found the perfect Church--the Melkite Catholic Church.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/16


Monk Brendan & Cluny
The reason I didn't start a blog, on the question we discussed, was because I feared there would have been an all out assault on you, and the Catholic Church.

I'm sure you have both met people in your lives who believe something, you know is false. You present them with the all the evidence, and yet they remain blind to the Truth. If that blindness will cause them to fall into a ditch, do you not continue your efforts keep this from happening?

This is exactly why I post on CN. I want you to understand that about me. I strain out the camels. (Matthew 23:24)
---David on 4/21/16


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Faith for faith said, "We were taught WRONG because the moneychanger empire is still at today's pulpits (as well-meaning as most are, the clergy is unaware that satan has kept his dark forces in charge because of the money involved)."

What do you use when your electricity bill need to be paid? Or the rent? or buying food?

Money is NOT the root of all evil. Read 1Tim 6:10. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/16


Jesus did not "fail" in any sense/manner (MAN did).

We were taught WRONG because the moneychanger empire is still at today's pulpits (as well-meaning as most are, the clergy is unaware that satan has kept his dark forces in charge because of the money involved).

Only the TRUE MESSAGE needs to be understood. Nothing else remains hidden except the TRUE UNDERSTANDING of scripture.

We have come to think of "worship" as a procedure or activity that must be performed. "Worship" is to be done SPIRITUALLY (not PHYSICALLY) and from the MIND (the heart is part of the MIND).

We have been taught to MISUNDERSTAND.
---faithforfaith on 4/20/16


Okay, then David, tell me how a corrupt church--a church that has dwelt for 1500 years in treachery, was able to give Luther the very Bible that he quoted from? ---Monk_Brendan

Monk Brendan
When did I say the Catholic Church was corrupt and living in treachery for those 1500 years?
I'm merely stating that the Catholic Church follows a man made doctrine.
Interestingly enough, the Protestants have the same problem.

You say you follow the Holy Spirit, David, but you give no proof of this.
---Cluny


Cluny
The fact that you can not refute anything I say,using your bible, is my proof.
---David on 4/20/16


True Monk Brendan.

Mostly good Monks and others who still followed Jesus. Just as many Catholics' do today. But that doesn't make all their doctrine sound.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/20/16


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\\You follow the Pope and we follow the Holy Spirit. \\

You say you follow the Holy Spirit, David, but you give no proof of this.

And have you yet started the blog on the priesthood you claim the Roman Catholic Church established?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/16


Trav, all you are is a bag of wind and bones--useless.

David said, "You believe Christ gave control to the Catholic Church, and they took control for those 1500 years. Where as the reformers believed, as I do, that control was given to Gods Holy Spirit."

Okay, then David, tell me how a corrupt church--a church that has dwelt for 1500 years in treachery, was able to give Luther the very Bible that he quoted from? If it kept the text inviolate, then they must have had something going for them that was not f the devil
---Monk_Brendan on 4/19/16


The priesthood established by the Catholic Church, proves it was not the Church established by Jesus Christ.
---David on 4/17/16

True and obvious to those not paying homage to false ecumenical doctrines of men.
First and foremost the false rcc/orthodox priesthood should be a mark to all that this "wide way" cult is a false religion. The practitioners here cannot verify why they believe what they do, scripturally or by any multiple witness fulfillment of prophecy or Christ, mark #2.
Mat_7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
---Trav on 4/19/16


Why hijack a blog topic not speaking to the subject?---Monk Brendan

Monk Brendan
But it does speak to your subject. Your question pertains to the church reformation, a reformation which started approximately 1500 years after Christ ascended.

You believe Christ gave control to the Catholic Church, and they took control for those 1500 years. Where as the reformers believed, as I do, that control was given to Gods Holy Spirit.

You follow the Pope and we follow the Holy Spirit. Which one does the bible teach us to follow?
---David on 4/19/16


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The Lord gave the twelve, before his ascension, the so called great commission. Some blindly accept we are to perform commissions found in Matthew-John.
The commissions in Matt-John were instructions to the twelve tribes of Israel and shouldn't be commandeered by the church today.
Matt-John doesn't contain the preaching of Christ according to the revelation of the mystery (Rom 16:25) As the mystery of Christ was not revealed, these instructions leave it out.
Mixing Law and Grace confuse saints. Instead of going to all nations with the kingdom gospel fulfilling Gods purpose for the earth, we are to go to all men with the fellowship of the mystery of Christ fulfilling Gods purpose in heavenly places (Eph 3:9).
---michael_e on 4/18/16


David said, "I meant to say, "The Levite Priesthood came from the tribe of Levi, and the priests who served in the temple were the descendants of Aaron."

Did I not ask you to start a new blog on this subject, and I would be happy to discuss this issue there?

Why hijack a blog topic not speaking to the subject?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/16


Monk Brendan
I meant to say, "The Levite Priesthood came from the tribe of Levi, and the priests who served in the temple were the descendants of Aaron.
---David on 4/18/16


Monk Brendan
The Levite Priesthood came from the tribe of Aaron, and the priests who served in the temple were the descendants of Aaron.

The bible tells us Melchizedek had no descendants, when compared to the High Priest, Jesus Christ. Why would we be given this information, if the Priesthood of Jesus Christ had many priests as the Levite Priesthood?

With this information, which High Priest best represents the Priesthood established by the Catholic Church, Aaron or Melchizedek?
---David on 4/18/16


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The Leaders of the Roman Catholic church abandoned the teachings of the Apostles. They added many things that were not part of their teachings and changed others. But they were still Christian. They needed a revival and cleansing. This was offered to them in the teachings of Luther and other.

Remember the counter reformation. I was stopped by greed.

Instead of reforming and coming to Jesus they like the Jews choose tradition above scripture. So like the Jews those who choose tradition. The torch was passed to those who listened to Jesus. The founding churches are still Christian. But they are not teaching what Jesus taught until they let Scripture be their guide.

So yes the True church of Jesus is still standing.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/17/16


Monk Brendan
Your question is based on the assumption, the Catholic Church was the church established by Christ.
The priesthood established by the Catholic Church, proves it was not the Church established by Jesus Christ.

In (Hebrews 5:6), the Priesthood of Jesus Christ is compared to the Priesthood of Melchizedek. If I am wrong, tell me how the priesthood established by the Catholic Church, compares to the Priesthood of Melchizedek.
---David on 4/17/16


Scott said, "Rediscovered is a strong word."

Rediscovered is exactly the correct word. All of the reformers--and those that came after them, and those that splintered off from them have said that the Catholic Church had lost whatever part of the Holy Spirit had been imparted to her, and that Luther, etc. had to re-invent the whole thing all over again.

Stop to think, though, that in all of the ages before Luther, etc. were around, there were dedicated, believing monks (and the Catholic and Orthodox Churches supporting them) scrupulously copying the Bible by hand, hundreds and thousands of times, so that Luther could have a Bible to read.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/16/16


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