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Illegal Immigrant Issue In USA

What are your thoughts concerning the Illegal Immigrant issue in the U.S.

To be honest, it is an area where I have mixed feelings and struggle with.

Except for the Native American Indians, we all are of Immigrant Ancestry.

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Trav:

You wrote: Lev_26:7 And ye shall chase your enemies, ...

This is only relevant if you consider immigrants enemies. The only people Americans who are't immigrants are Native Americans. The only difference between whites, blacks, and Mexicans, as far as their immigrant status, is how long they have been immigrants.

Also, if you want to use the Bible as your guide as to how to treat your enemies, isn't it better to go by Jesus (who said to turn the other cheek, and bless those who curse you)? Besides, it isn't the immigrants who are cursing white Americans - it's most often the other way around.
---StrongAxe on 5/7/16


True Cluny: What Ms. Lazarus penned has no force of law, but many Americans (myself included) believe her words represent the spirit & Christian intent of who we are as a nation UNDER GOD.
---Leon on 5/7/16


Emma Lazarus, herself a European, wrote a beautiful sonnet, but it has no legal force, even though it's at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/16


Assimilate means to take in & understand real good. Thanks for posting the full poem by Ms. Lazarus John. :)
---Leon on 5/6/16


What exactly is meant by "assimilate"?
---john1944 on 5/6/16




Leon:


The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land,
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome, her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Emma Lazarus
---john1944 on 5/6/16


FOR ANYONE WHO HAS EARS TO HEAR: A phrase on the Statue of Liberty says, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." (Emma Lazarus) Does this statement only apply to White European "immigrants" or does it also include other people from around the world who are desperately seeking a better life for themselves?

True, many who've come from South of the border have come illegally. Do we pack them All up & deport them? Is that even possible? Or is it in our best interest to make a pathway to citizenship for those who genuinely want to assimilate into the USA culture? I'm with John1944 & opt for compassionate, "Christian hospitality". WWJD? :)
---Leon on 5/6/16


leon: It sounds like you would be happier in another country. Why don't you move?

The history of mankind is replete with one people dispossessing another from their land - usually by wars. Indeed, even God Himself dispossessed the Canaanites for the sake of the Israelites.


---Jerry6593 on 5/6/16


///...My daddy used to say about time to play cowboys again...---Trav on 5/5/16///

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian", HUH? So, this is how you justify your ancestral savagery "cowboy" by taking Scripture way out of context & running like hell-fire with your misconceptions? smh

Please, you haven't a clue as to what Christianity is about. Religious types like you never do as they've gone on numerous self-aggrandizing rampages throughout history, e.g., MANIFEST DESTINY.

Here's Scripture that applies directly to you: "...And the light shinned in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not..." John 1:5
---Leon on 5/5/16


Again Travail, you're a demented, self-centered little savage. ...WE THE PEOPLE would leave "OUR" USA. Were it not for our creative genius & ingenuity, there wouldn't be a USA ...
---Leon on 5/4/16

Legend in your own mind, now tell us how you really feel.
My daddy used to say about time to play cowboys again. Nice to have you come completely out of your race card closet.
Mine is in print.
Here is how we roll.
Lev_26:7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
Lev_26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
---Trav on 5/5/16




That's what happened from the time of the Nina, Pina, Santa Maria & later the Mayflower at Plymouth Rock. LOOK AT THAT! Immigration without assimilation is definitely an invasion!
---Leon on 5/5/16

Sound like you object to scripture fulfilling. These people blessed by GOD...brought you Christianity. While yours is a strange form...you keep coming here and witnessing.

2Sa_22:50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.
Psa_105:44 And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people,
2Sa_22:44 Thou also hast delivered me ...
---Trav on 5/5/16


///leon: What part of "illegal" don't you understand? [There's] another word for mass illegal immigration - INVASION!...look at what's happening in Europe.---Jerry6593 on 5/5/16///

Jerry: This blog is about "illegal immigration" in the USA, not Europe. I know it's hard for you to stay focused more than a few seconds, but try.

INVASION occurs only when people have absolutely no intentions of assimilating into another culture, but rather seek to overtake, dominate & replace the original culture with their own. That's what happened from the time of the Nina, Pina, Santa Maria & later the Mayflower at Plymouth Rock. LOOK AT THAT! Immigration without assimilation is definitely an invasion!
---Leon on 5/5/16


Unlike the religious hypocrites amongst us, your Christian comment speaks volumes as to what's in your heart John1944. Very good!
---Leon on 5/4/16


leon: What part of "illegal" don't you understand?

There is another word for mass illegal immigration - INVASION! Just look at what's happening in Europe.


---Jerry6593 on 5/5/16


As a Christian, I am to be hospitable towards all. That is my comment.
---john1944 on 5/4/16


As Jesus said, if Satan is divided against Satan, how long can his kingdom stand?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/16


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Again Travail, you're a demented, self-centered little savage. Because of the volume of blood, sweat & tears my ancestors spilled into America's soil during times of slavery (to include Jim Crow & second class citizenship status even now) ~ during the evil days of your European "invasion" & genocide of indigenous peoples ~ due to sacrifices we made during your numerous wars: How dare a peanut brained heathen like you even suggest WE THE PEOPLE would leave "OUR" USA. Were it not for our creative genius & ingenuity, there wouldn't be a USA the likes of which exists today. To the contrary parasite, I'd gladly pay "your passage", on the Gayflower, back to the dark hole you crawled out of.
---Leon on 5/4/16


It's obvious you two are using the attack in a devilishly subtle way to ethnically & religiously demean an....
---Leon on 5/4/16

What is obvious? That to you it is everyone elses fault.
Most immigrants come to the blessed land and wrap their arms around the opportunities presented. They assimilate. They become Americans, like the original Natives here, mostly have. My grandmother on my fathers side was 100% Cherokee...100% American...100% a Christian believer.
She never once whined like you do. She wasn't weak, or afraid to face herself.
Repatriate if you're unhappy. We all want you to be happy. You're happy we're happy for ya, there. We'll pass the hat to get you over...there, why quit spending now.
---Trav on 5/4/16


Jeery: What does Cluny's looney & diversionarily snide remarks have to do with "illegal immigration" as pertains to this blogs subject? It's obvious you two are using the attack in a devilishly subtle way to ethnically & religiously demean an entire race of people you sanctimonious deem inferior to yourselves. FYI: God gets no glory from slanderous remarks Cluny.
---Leon on 5/4/16


cluny: "Jerry, the first Africans were captured and sold into slavery by mahometan Africans."

The same is true today.



---Jerry6593 on 5/4/16


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///The children who are kidnapped from other countries, and brought to the United States for adoption, are they illegal immigrants?

Also, I wonder why the question concerning adoption and child trafficking was removed from these blogs?---Rob on 5/2/16///

Rob: I suppose to get to the essense of your original question, we must first accurately define what & who is categorically an "immigrant", & go from there. In my understanding, children who are kidnapped are just that, "kidnapped" (no more or less).
---Leon on 5/3/16


Travail: You are truly one twisted, demented, religiously sanctimonious & dangerous little savage. Obviously, there's no reasoning with you.
---Leon on 5/2/16

Hmmmm. Such obvious scriptural christian cognitive logic...and your lack of facts are overwhelming. Dangerous? My facts are dangerous to those with specific agendas built on false-hoods.

Eze_34:28 they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them, but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Guess what? No fear...here. Personally or otherwise.
---Trav on 5/3/16


Your twisted comment about African-Americans lack of assimilation is mighty "cognitive dissonant" right of you, or is it kemosabe? smh
---Leon on 5/2/16

The recorded Facts speak for themselves. 80 percent crime rates. 75% unmarried mothers. Drugs, Gangs, filthy music. Assimilated? Not even after 3 trillion benevolent dollars thrown at assimilation.
Psa_105:44 And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people,
Problems with assimilation?
Psa_106:35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
---Trav on 5/3/16


///...the topic...refers to the legality of immigration ...not whether or not [it's] voluntary. Slavery...is still immigration - it just isn't voluntary immigration. [?!!] [Enslaved Guatemalans] ...forced to work...in Texas under threat of arrest [?!!] are...part of the illegal immigration problem [?!!!] ...---StrongAxe on 5/2/16///

"...COGNITIVE DISSONANCE ~ the mental stress or discomfort experienced by people who hold two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time ~ perform an action that's contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas, or values, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values." (Source: Wikipedia)

'Axe: Your beliefs epitomizes CD...
---Leon on 5/2/16


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The children who are kidnapped from other countries, and brought to the United States for adoption, are they illegal immigrants?

Also, I wonder why the question concerning adoption and child trafficking was removed from these blogs?
---Rob on 5/2/16


///...the topic...refers to the legality of immigration ...not whether or not [it's] voluntary. Slavery (whether 2000 years ago, 200 years ago, or even today)...is still immigration - [just not] voluntary immigration ...---StrongAxe on 5/2/16///

'Axe: An immigrant is a foreigner who "chooses" to come to another country usually with the intention of eventually becoming a citizen. Such a foreigner, who "chooses" to remain permanently in a new country, can neutrally be referred to as an immigrant. Slaves, though also foreigners, had no such intention or choice in the matter. They weren't even considered to be human beings, but instead were seen as property & thereby not eligible to become citizens.
---Leon on 5/2/16


Trav:

Europeans originated in Europe, and not in the Americas. Therefore, Europeans who came to the Americas and stayed there were, by definition, immigrants.

The natives tribes that lived in the Americas lived there for thousands of years, which was their home, until the European invaders claimed the land as their own and threw them off it.

Some tribes were warlike conquerers. Most were not.

The Spaniards used the "heathen" angle as excuse to murder, rape, steal, and pillage - all in the name of God. To the natives, this made God the most evil deity in existence. As Paul wrote, "It is because of YOU my name is blasphemed among the nations".
---StrongAxe on 5/3/16


Travail: You are truly one twisted, demented, religiously sanctimonious & dangerous little savage. Obviously, there's no reasoning with you. I'd be better of trying to discuss this matter with a foaming at the mouth barking dog.
---Leon on 5/2/16


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Okay Trav: Native American in me is standing up & saying let "US" repatriate the European invaders (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS)...
---Leon on 5/2/16

Sit down. Europeans were not "immigrants". Your natives were heathens who laid no claim on the land...until now. They freely robbed raped and looted and made servants of all neighboring tribes.
As a native, you were made aware of a better way by the "European Christians" and fulfill scripture.
Eze_37:28 the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Psa_94:10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
---Trav on 5/2/16


Leon:

You wrote: BUT, involuntary slave HOSTAGES don't have a thing to do with this topic of voluntary yet illegal immigration.

As I read the topic, it refers to the legality of immigration, but not whether or not it is voluntary. Slavery (whether 2000 years ago, 200 years ago, or even today), dragging humans against their will from one country to another, is still immigration - it just isn't voluntary immigration.

People from Guatemala (say) dragged by slavers through the U.S. Mexico border and forced to work like slaves in Texas under threat of arrest are still part of the illegal immigration problem, even though they don't do so by choice.
---StrongAxe on 5/2/16


///...African slaves were "HOSTAGES", NOT MMIGRANTS!!! ---Leon on 4/30/16

I agree...100%. U.S. should repatriate all hostages ...Abraham Lincoln allotted money for repatriation, knowing that assimilation would be a failure. He was right then & right now....---Trav on 5/2/16

Okay Trav: The Native American in me is standing up & saying let "US" repatriate the European invaders (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS) back to where they came from! Your twisted comment about African-Americans lack of assimilation is mighty "cognitive dissonant" right of you, or is it kemosabe? smh
---Leon on 5/2/16


No Cluny! African slaves were "HOSTAGES", NOT IMMIGRANTS!!!
---Leon on 4/30/16

I agree with you 100%. U.S. should repatriate all hostages back to the beginning. Abraham Lincoln allotted money for repatriation, knowing that assimilation would be a failure. He was right then and right now.
Reading on subject:
The 'Great Emancipator'
Abraham Lincoln's Program of Resettlement,By Robert Morgan.
---Trav on 5/2/16


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///...jerry, the first Africans were captured and sold into slavery by mahometan Africans....---Cluny on 5/2/16///

Cluny: Since you brought the subject up (4/30), would you mind telling us, specifically, just what does slavery have to do with "illegal immigration"? Do you really think they're the same?
---Leon on 5/2/16


\\when the USA set the line for forever. As the Berlin Wall.
---Nicole_lacey on 5/2/16\\

Bad analogy, Nicole.

The Berlin wall fell. The border between the USA and Mexico was set by international agreement.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

jerry, the first Africans were captured and sold into slavery by mahometan Africans.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/16


///...most...Africans captured & sold into slavery were captured...by fellow Africans...[they're] still doing it today...---Jerry6593 on 5/2/16///

Jerry: "MOST"? I really don't know. I'm quite aware of the wars between African tribes whereas the victors took all the spoils as well as enslaved those they defeated. Then, as an added bonus, they sold their enemies to the Europeans. They made handsome profits from the toubabs & would never have to fight that particular enemy ever again. Reminds me of Joseph & his brothers. "See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya ~ cha ching!!!"

BUT, involuntary slave HOSTAGES don't have a thing to do with this topic of voluntary yet illegal immigration.
---Leon on 5/2/16


Cluny in relation to Rob topic it is speaking about illegal immigrant issue in the U.S.

What do you think about the Mexicans who claim they have not cross the boarder but it crossed them. Meaning that the United States had no claims to California?

Of course they are wrong.

So as the Native Americans who freely crossed into now California and Mexico were made a certain legal status when the USA set the line for forever. As the Berlin Wall.
---Nicole_lacey on 5/2/16


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Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: However, they do not have the right to vote, to bear arms, or to lobby or protest.

Do you believe that the first amendment (e.g. freedom of speech and belief) does not apply to non-citizens? How about the right to due process, protection from unjust search and seizure, fair and speedy trials, etc., or the rest of the bill of rights?

The specifics of the right to vote are explicitly limited to citizens in the body of the constitution, but there is no such limitation in the bill of rights, not even with regards to bearing arms. These speak to rights of "persons", not merely "citizens".
---StrongAxe on 5/2/16


Leon: Do you realize that most of the Africans captured and sold into slavery were captured and sold by fellow Africans? Do you realize that they are still doing it today?

As an African-American, do you think you are better off today as a descendant of slaves in the US than you would be as a descendant of free men in Africa?

Slavery is illegal today in America. So is illegal immigration.


---Jerry6593 on 5/2/16


///...Anyone who comes to another country from outside it, regardless of how, is by definition an immigrant...---Cluny on 4/30/16///

I take the strongest possible exception to the ideas that African slaves were "immigrants" to the Americas. Immigrants are people who voluntarily moved from one land to another basically to improve their living condition. That doesn't come close to describing the horrific plight of African slaves, people who were captured against their will, held HOSTAGE & brutally forced into cargo ships, & involuntarily brought to the Americas to better improve the living conditions of their captors.

No Cluny! African slaves were "HOSTAGES", NOT IMMIGRANTS!!!
---Leon on 4/30/16


\\98% of African Americans are NOT part of the immigrant Ancestry!

We were brought here by force\\

Anyone who comes to another country from outside it, regardless of how, is by definition an immigrant.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/16


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Native American (not Indians) are NOT the only ones Not part of the Immigrant Ancestry???

98% of African Americans are NOT part of the immigrant Ancestry!

We were brought here by force.

We did not get on the boat VOLUNTARILY.

Native American had their lands taken away and African American were taken away from their lands.

All that is the past.
Many peoples through wars and famine have been displaced.
Whole Countries identity wiped off the map.

Poland for centuries.
Their Citizens held true to their culture and beliefs, so now they are a Proud Country right now.

Become an American our way, abiding our rules or go home.

Please don't dish the line.
Respect the process!
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/29/16


Rob people are quick to judge. Dad was part Indian and had black hair and although not dark olive skin he was tan skinned but mom was Scots-Irish-English blond headed,blue eyed. I turned out ivory complexion,hazel eyes like Dad and blond hair. When I had our son he is black headed,tan complexion,however our daughter was born blond,blue eyed,and fair skin. My husband is black headed. When the kids got to be teens my daughters girlfriend was dark headed,olive skin,she and our son were more alike and time and again people thought the friend was our daughter and our daughter was the friend. We used to get a good laugh at that but it shows how people judge without reason. They judge by what they think it should be not by reason.
---Darlene_1 on 4/25/16


Yes Samuel. I agree, just as I indicated in my comments on 4/21 regarding "Christian charity".
---Leon on 4/24/16


There is truth on both sides here. Even deists were influenced by the Bible.

But that the majority of early United States citizens were Christians and that this was a Christian nation. Is false. Tue some areas were mainly Christians.

Including Maryland which was largely Catholic.

My thoughts is that we as descended from immigrants and Christians should be reaching out to the poor, widows and orphans. That currently this country has made becoming a citizen almost impossible for millions who have lived here in law abiding fashion.

True we should be prudent. But not fearful.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/24/16


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Uh-oh! Monk is off his anti-depressants again...
---Leon on 4/23/16


Rob, the word is spelled "surname," not "Sir name."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/16


Leon said, "Monk: That lying dog won't hunt! The truth is Franklin, Jefferson, Ethan Allen & a handful of others were deist. But the majority of the Continental Congress were professing Christians...The Continental Congress was populated with Christian men like John Jay. So, it is you Monk wbo need a checkup from the neck up!"

Leon you are too lazy to do research yourself! You listen to what TV and radio evangelists say and then spout it, along with your rabidly anti-Catholic hatred when to post to me.

So from now on, you are non-existent as far as I am concerned. Don't bother posting anything back to me, and don't even try to claim any sort of victory, except as the most hateful person on these blogs.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/23/16


///...Life is too short to worry about what race a person is. ..---Darlene_1 on 4/23/16///

Yes Darlene, especially since there's but one "HUMAN RACE" with many different ethnic groups (clans). Afterall, we're all descendant of Adam & Eve. I personally think the "us, them racist attitude " of people, worldwide, may've began shortly after Cain murdered his brother Abel. People have been raising Cain about "race" ever since. ijs
---Leon on 4/23/16


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///Darlene, I agree with you.My Grandfather came to the United States from Italy, but he came here legally. I'm of mixed ethnicity and culture. I have the physical characteristics of a black man. You will be surprised with the looks I get when people learn I have an Italian Sir Name...!---Rob on 4/22/16///

Hey Rob: Campanella is a great surname. :)
---Leon on 4/23/16


///...That is the loose and flabby thinking that you have been doing all along. Do a bit of research, and you will find that most of the members of the Constitutional Congress were not Christian, only Deists. In other words, they believed in a god, but didn't really know or care who that god was.---Monk_Brendanon 4/22/ 16///

Monk: That lying dog won't hunt! The truth is Franklin, Jefferson, Ethan Allen & a handful of others were deist. But the majority of the Continental Congress were professing Christians. They were Episcopalians, Quakers, etc. The Continental Congress was populated with Christian men like John Jay. So, it is you Monk wbo need a checkup from the neck up!
---Leon on 4/23/16


What part of ILLEGAL do you amnesty types not understand? If they are "illegal", then they are by definition CRIMINALS!

We used to be a nation of laws. We have immigration laws, but we also have a lawless federal government that refuses to enforce them. The result is that we are becoming like Europe - overrun with hostile invaders. And for what? PC compassion?



---jerry6593 on 4/23/16


Leon ha ha no way will I forget them since I have a cousin and nephew that are Black,the nephew is also Korean. I have a "Little Sister" that is Black and a Grandson also,although the last two aren't blood kin they are kin because we love them. As for the Indians Mexico and South America ,I'm not kin but I am part Cherokee from North or South Carolina.Life is too short to worry about what race a person is. Karen D No I'm not prejudice I am only reporting what I saw on the news.
---Darlene_1 on 4/23/16


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Leon said, " Monk: Please do a soul search & may you learn that the U.S. Constitution was framed around the "Christian charity" (love) principles of the founding fathers. For example, the Declaration of Independence idea of "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness", for ALL people, is rooted in Judeao-Christian doctrine."

That is the loose and flabby thinking that you have been doing all along.

Do a bit of research, and you will find that most of the members of the Constitutional Congress were not Christian, only Deists. In other words, they believed in a god, but didn't really know or care who that god was.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/16


Darlene_1....Your statement is prejudice because illegals are not the only ones committing those crimes. For every one illegal who is criminal I can show you hundreds who have not committed crimes. What will you do with those adults who were brought here as children? What will you do with children whose parents are illegal but the children are citizens?
---KarenD on 4/22/16


Gee Darlene, you have a rainbow of ethnic groups in your family. Good! Remember the Aztecs, the Incas, the Tainos, Kunta Kinte, etc. :D
---Leon on 4/22/16


Darlene, I agree with you.

My Grandfather came to the United States from Italy, but he came here legally.

I'm of mixed ethnicity and culture. I have the physical characteristics of a black man. You will be surprised with the looks I get when people learn I have an Italian Sir Name.

Elena, I disagree with you. My family was not rich. I remember when in High School, the Recruiters world come and say if we want to go to college, we must first serve in the Military!
---Rob on 4/22/16


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I have very good reasons for not wanting Illegal Aliens to be allowed to stay in America. I live in a border State only a few things that they have done is horrible one killed an elderly couple,rape,molest children,steal (my husbands pickup) he got it back cleaned out of things valuable including a box of books our Brother had written and had published,the brother is dead now,steal Social Security number,and kill/murder. If they want to live in America let them do it the legal way. They need to be treated as criminals because that's what they are. Others can have sympathy for them ,not me they bring evil. Don't try to claim I'm prejudice because I have five cousins half Mexican,legal,born in America.
---Darlene_1 on 4/22/16


Hi,to Bro.Leon yes,many people latinos,others.like our friend from El Salvador qwickly join in the armed forces,years.I know a whole family came here,the dad,the sons all armed forces,never wrong there good younger.. militarytrained.highly.educated
---Elena95555 on 4/22/16


Leon said, "In case you missed the point, the Nile (Egyptian river of life) & the state of denial (stubborn people's stagnant pool of strife) are as different as day & night."

I was trying to make a joke, because what you tried fell flat on it's face.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/16


Monk: Please do a soul search & may you learn that the U.S. Constitution was framed around the "Christian charity" (love) principles of the founding fathers. For example, the Declaration of Independence idea of "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness", for ALL people, is rooted in Judeao-Christian doctrine.

In case you missed the point, the Nile (Egyptian river of life) & the state of denial (stubborn people's stagnant pool of strife) are as different as day & night.
---Leon on 4/22/16


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Leon said, "Monk: I'm glad you've ingested a bit of the truth. Like the Bible says, The truth will set you free! But, your "However" isn't relevant to this discussion. It's a cop out. & you're still drifting down the river "denial". Immigrants need Christian charity too!"

Leon, it's "Just like Cleopatra, floating down denial."

Christian charity is not mentioned in the Constitution.

I did a word search on this, and the word "Christian" is not in the Constitution.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/16


The solution to this problem is not a simple one. Single individuals without families are easy to deal with. But when there are children involved it will have to be on a case by case basis. The law says that children born here are citizens by birth. I cannot imagine there are too many people who want to deport parents of these children. Living in Arizona we have seen many sides of this story.
---KarenD on 4/21/16


Monk: I'm glad you've ingested a bit of the truth. Like the Bible says, The truth will set you free! But, your "However" isn't relevant to this discussion. It's a cop out. & you're still drifting down the river "denial". Immigrants need Christian charity too!
---Leon on 4/21/16


Leon said, "Monk: Why don't you do your own research & not speak to an issue until you get the fact(s) of the matter straight"

Leon, you are right. Under the 14th amendment and by several rulings of the Supreme Court, illegal aliens do have some rights--equal protection under the law, and such.

However, they do not have the right to vote, to bear arms, or to lobby or protest.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/16


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Leon said, "Monk: Why don't you do your own research & not speak to an issue until you get the fact(s) of the matter straight "big boy". It's absolutely necessary you don't talk about what you don't know about. It's otherwise ridiculous if you do."

In other words, you don't know and are too lazy to look it up.

And stop with the fat put downs. In the past five years I have lost more weight than you probably weigh. My highest weight was 425 lbs. I am down to 275 lbs, and I want to lose another 50-60 lbs.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/16


///Okay, Leon, please give me the reference (Article, Section, paragraph, and sub para) if necessary.

Please remember that people who have come to our country illegally do not have the protection of the Constitution.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/16///

Monk: Why don't you do your own research & not speak to an issue until you get the fact(s) of the matter straight "big boy". It's absolutely necessary you don't talk about what you don't know about. It's otherwise ridiculous if you do.
---Leon on 4/20/16


Okay, Leon, please give me the reference (Article, Section, paragraph, and sub para) if necessary.

Please remember that people who have come to our country illegally do not have the protection of the Constitution.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/16


Monk: You're obviously emoting & making it up as you go. It's quite apparent you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the U.S. Constitution & the Democratic process. Ignorance of the law, etc., isn't bliss. It's dangerous!
---Leon on 4/20/16


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Leon said, ""Force" men, women & children, as a condition of citizenship, to serve for a term in our "all volunteer" Armed Forces or indefinitely be "forced" to work as police & firefighters? That sounds unconstitutional to me."

I was talking about Dreamers, brought here without consent. If they are willing to live by the law, serve our country--military, emergency response, whatever, and do all the other things, then I am willing to let them in.

Children are a different issue, and you know it. Stop trying to cloud the issues with garbage.

And as far as the Constitution, while they are illegal, they are outside of the Constitution, and can have no protection from it.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/19/16


Luke: Kinda reminds me of when Europeans immigrated, in waves, to North & South America hundreds of years ago. What goes around comes around...
---Leon on 4/19/16


Leon, what worries me is the amount coming from one country is not fair to people trying to come from another country. Too many from south of the border. In the hundreds. My nephew works for the immigration and drives the buss that takes some that are caught back across the border, and the next day they come across again. It's an impossible task.
---Luke on 4/19/16


///...No path for citizenship ...without the following:
1. A term of enlisted service in the US Military, or ongoing service as police or firefighter.
6. Must renounce citizenship in "the old country."
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/16///

Monk: I agree with exception to the above suggested criteria.

"Force" men, women & children, as a condition of citizenship, to serve for a term in our "all volunteer" Armed Forces or indefinitely be "forced" to work as police & firefighters? That sounds unconstitutional to me. Also, the U.S. Constitution doesn't require naturalized citizens to renounce citizenship to their native land. Immigrants can & do hold dual citizenship.
---Leon on 4/18/16


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A radio minister recently said, "Immigration without assimilation is nothing short of an invasion." I agree & can see a huge conflict of interest when people come to America & aren't willing to obey the laws of the land, & instead live here as if they were yet in their native land. Big problem! But, for people who've immigrated illegally & are desperately seeking to assimilate & become productive U.S. citizens, they should be given every opportunity to do so. Instead of trying to deport millions, I believe it's more "cost effective" to help them legally assimilate. It's our Christian duty!!! Currently, the SCOTUS is weighing in on the POTUS Exec. Action designed to do just that.
---Leon on 4/18/16


Cluny said, "As for the Dreamers, who were brought here through no fault of their own by their parents who came illegally, I believe there should be some easy way of regularizing their presence, as most of them know no other country but the USA."

No path for citizenship should be offered without the following:

1. A term of enlisted service in the US Military, or ongoing service as police or fire fighter, etc.

2. The ability to read and write English at a high school level.

3. At the very least, a high school education.

4. They must be tax paying and able to support themselves and their family.

5. No criminal record.

6. Must renounce citizenship in "the old country."
---Monk_Brendan on 4/18/16


Rob, I have a problem with the amount of illegals coming into the country. The amount is too many. I witnessed hundreds of illegals coming across the border at one time. I was playing golf course that was next to the Rio Grande river. And I kept hearing a helicopter flying by, so I asked my brother in law and he said they were trying to keep the illegals from coming over, but they were not successful. Every time they passed by, hundreds came across. They were running all over the woods. impossible to stop them. They were just too many. This goes on everyday. What makes it worse is the amount, which is not fair for other countries.
---Luke on 4/18/16


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