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What Is Grace

What is Grace?


God is full of grace, as we know. It springs from love.

Please read John 20:21-23.

Here we see God giving grace to the Apostles. Did that grace follow them through their lives?

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Trav said, "Latin vulgate, (word is remarkably related to vulgar and vulture) changed many words in scripture (gentile). Surely even scripture itself."

Trav, the word "vulgar" does come from the Latin "Vulgate."

"Vulture" has nothing to do with the argument.

Now, pay attention please. The OT was written primarily in Hebrew, but there are no existing texts from that time. It was translated to Greek by 70 scribes about 2 centuries before Christ. This is called the Septuagint, and it is the basis of Jerome's Vulgate. The oldest Masoretic text that exists comes from approx 10th century A.D.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/8/16


"Don't you need to do something to receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit, according to (Acts 2:38)?"
---David on 5/8/16

Only if you're an Old Testament believer, living in Jerusalem temporarily, complicit in the death of Christ, and hanging around when a bunch of believers just had the Holy Spirit poured out on them

Nowadays, you would receive the Holy Spirit when you believed the gospel
---James_L on 5/8/16


David, yes, and faith in Jesus Christ is repentance. our faith in Him is that He died for our sin. There is no other reason to put your faith In Him.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/16


You cannot earn a GIFT. salvation is a GIFT freely given to those who receive.--kathr4453 on 5/7/16

Kathryn
Don't you need to do something to receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit, according to (Acts 2:38)?
---David on 5/8/16


Trav
You have noticed the clarity, in which God delivers his message to his messengers.
---David on 5/6/16

Love your statement. Is an anomaly that clearest messages/scriptures are least regarded. Becomes apparent/visible here.
Everyone here believes in the New Testament. But, point testament was the Covenant Heb 8:8-10/Jer 31:31-33 and silence. Not popular, believed, promoted (mis-understood actually).
Notable that the "pharisee" printing...chose to term it the N.T. instead of the New Covenant.
Latin vulgate, (word is remarkably related to vulgar and vulture) changed many words in scripture (gentile). Surely even scripture itself.
But, they were subterfuge stupid.
Christ reveals them.
---Trav on 5/8/16




Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

David, did you know FAITH was a commandment? If it wasn't then God's rejection of Cain's offering wouldn't have been an issue. When man stopped obeying this commandment, which was from Adam to Noah( meaning without the LAW) God destroyed all but 8 souls.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/16


So many people reject Christ and God's Salvation because they believe His Grace can be earned---Rob

And Christ was one of them, (John 14:21).
---David on 5/7/16


So many people reject Christ and God's Salvation because they believe His Grace can be earned---Rob

Rob
Do you have two witnesses which will confirm this teaching is the Truth?
I have more than two, to prove its a false teaching, but I'll just give you two.

Jesus in (John 14:21) and Paul in (Romans 2:5-7). Since The gospel of Jesus Christ is the foundation of our salvation, he must have taught this no works doctrine somewhere. Can you give me some passages where this was taught?
---David on 5/7/16


Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You cannot earn a GIFT. salvation is a GIFT freely given to those who receive. Now rewards can be earned, but we are not saved by earned rewards. Rewards are given above and beyond salvation for our willing service. We see some will be burned, and some will remain. Showing not all works are of the Lord in the first place, yet we remain saved.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/16


So many people reject Christ and God's Salvation because they believe His Grace can be earned---Rob

Rob
Do you have two witnesses which will confirm this teaching is the Truth?
I have more than two, to prove its a false teaching, but I'll just give you two.

Jesus in (John 14:21) and Paul in (Romans 2:5-7). Since The gospel of Jesus Christ is the foundation of our salvation, he must have taught this no works doctrine somewhere. Can you give me some passages where this was taught?
---David on 5/7/16




Luke,you are correct in what you wrote on 5/5/2016.

So many people reject Christ and God's Salvation because they believe His Grace can be earned.

I'm so thankful for God's Grace and Mercy.
---Rob on 5/6/16


To Trav,

I have tried several times to tell you this. I receive no money from any church, no matter how big or how little. I pay for my food, drink, raiment and housing with the Social Security that I receive from my entire working career.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/6/16


Trav
You have noticed the clarity, in which God delivers his message to his messengers.

It was so clear, Moses didn't apply commentary to the message God gave him, he just needed to relay the message. And yet once the Generation of Moses was gone, they had these folks, who needed to do a commentary on this simple message, folks called Pharisee's.

I believe, this is exactly why God gave us his Holy Spirit. So when Jesus was no longer amongst us, we would not become prey, to a modern day Pharisee.

And though many have been given ears, so they may hear the Truth, and eyes, so they can't see the lies, they remain deaf and blind because they have chosen to follow these modern day Pharisee's.
---David on 5/6/16


Correct Cluny the Council of Trent and the latter Popes worked to curb the abuses of Power, sale of indulginces and other excesses. The recognized that the Protestants had made true charges on many issues against the Corrupt system that was the RCC.

I applaud the current pope who is fighting the same battle. Though the issues were more hidden now then in that time period.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Yet this is what is said is true. That the Popes who served Mammon are still men of GOD. I don't know about the Orthodox leaders. So I can say nothing about them.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/16


Trav said, "...Christ, prophets, Apostles didn't use them. They are false and unecessary.
Scripture is very plain."


First, Trav, Cluny is NOT my disciple. He is my friend. He does not listen to me or need me on his spiritual journey.

Second, the Holy Scriptures I try to live by were spoken by Jesus, written by the apostles, and have been lived for the past 2,000 years.

I also pay attention to the OT, and while I may not have your biblical expertise, I can still find my way around a Bible, as I have been reading it, steady, for the past 39 years. I read it every night from Genesis to Revelations, and when I am done, I start over again.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/5/16


Monk, grace is something good that God gives you that you did not deserve. What He gives you stays with you forever. He is kind always.
In the case of salvation, He gives us salvation when we did not deserve salvation at all. While we were yet sinners God by His grace saved us. Jesus Christ died for our salvation.
---Luke on 5/5/16


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\\Pope Alexandar VI 1492.

Wikipedia
The reforms decreed at Lateran V (1512-1517) had only a small effect\\

This is BEFORE the Council of Trent, which is the beginning of the Counter-reformation.

Glory to Jesus Chist!
---Cluny on 5/4/16


Trav said, "Changing, avoiding, adding to and taking away...is not a very good mark..."

When have I changed or added to or taken away from Scripture?

"The wide way you're on is comfortable...safe, you are fed, you don't have to work, you have a title. Meaningless but a title."

Is that the wide way that you are on, taking you to hell? I am not safe. The city I live in has had several attempts on "Muslims" that turned out to be Christians or Sikhs. An Armenian Orthodox Church was vandalized a few days ago in town, A Serbian Orthodox Church in NY was burned down, and on 12 June 2014 a priest in town was killed during a robbery
---Monk_Brendan on 5/4/16


Kathr said, "Copying THE BIBLE? Really Monk? SO there was a BIBLE to copy?"

Of course there was! All of the Hebrew OT and the NT (written in Greek) were available. Usually, the educated people in the times up to the Reformation spoke Latin, including Luther and Calvin!

"Weren't they translating THE BOOKS, into Latin, that were already written and bound them together?"

Yes, sometimes they were. However, please remember that the printing press and mechanical movable type was not invented until 1439, and pressbound books were unavailable before then.

"What was the finished product of THE BOOKS bound together called?"

The Bible! Now ask another stupid question!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/4/16


Pope Alexandar VI 1492.

Wikipedia
The reforms decreed at Lateran V (1512-1517) had only a small effect. Some positions got further and further from the church's official positions, leading to the break with Rome and the formation of Protestant churches. Even so, conservative and reforming parties still survived within the Catholic Church even as the Protestant Reformation spread. The Protestant Church decisively broke from the Catholic Church in the 1520s. The two distinct dogmatic positions within the Catholic Church solidified in the 1560s. The Catholic Reformation became known as the Counter-Reformation, defined as a reaction to Protestantism rather than as a reform movement.

Luke 16:13
---Samuelbb7 on 5/4/16


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Hebrew was a liturgical language.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16

You missed the point. No one including you needs your A.D. catholic latin, which you and your apostle cluny try to cloak your confused doctrines in. Christ, prophets, Apostles didn't use them. They are false and unecessary.
Scripture is very plain. Christ came to the lost sheep, Matt 15:24...he found them. Because he can't fail. You may be one, caught in the cult of your choice.
Changing, avoiding, adding to and taking away...is not a very good mark. You have created your own rut taking vows and bowing to the masters that feed you. The wide way you're on is comfortable...safe, you are fed, you don't have to work, you have a title. Meaningless but a title.
---Trav on 5/4/16


\\But the leaders who cared more for money and power refused to be corrected.\\

Please name one who did, giving his place and date.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/16


How is that an answer to Nicole's comment? She answered your question, and you shotgunned her with a bit of trivia.---Monk Brendan

Monk Brendan
No, it was in reference to her answer, "This do in remembrance of me." But I think you already knew that, and by painting me to be the bad guy, evaded my question.

I'll ask again in accordance with her answer.
How does the statement made by Jesus, direct your Pope to wear a crown?

Crown: any of various types of headgear worn by a monarch as a symbol of sovereignty, often made of precious metal and ornamented with valuable gems.
---David on 5/4/16


If there was nobody, then there would have been no monks shut away in monasteries scrupulously copying the Bible, one page at a time to be bound into books, would there?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16

Copying THE BIBLE? Really Monk? SO there was a BIBLE to copy?

Weren't they translating THE BOOKS, into Latin, that were already written and bound them together?

What was the finished product of THE BOOKS bound together called?
---kathr4453 on 5/4/16


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Exodus 17:14 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
---kathr4454 on 5/4/16


Monk Brendan. Many Roman Catholics did preach the gospel. They tried to lead the church correctly. But the leaders who cared more for money and power refused to be corrected. In the Catholic church you can find a lot of truth.

The counter reformation tried to fix a lot of the lies. But fell short. The money hungry and power hungry would not let the truth succeed. This new Pope has many great points. I admire him. But the system has failed by looking to those who lead by greed and avarice. Yet they cannot be denounced by the church. Because the teaching that no matter how evil the person. They are still true leaders. It is a form of once saved always saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/3/16


Trav said, "They were speaking Hebrew before that. I don't see you using any Hebrew or even the Hebrew witness. Nah...instead your filthy little latin doctrines make you think you are a latin legend in your own mind. While your heart belongs to the greek...orthodoc's."

Judea (where Jerusalem is, remember?) was a Roman province at the time, so of course, they all spoke Hebrew. Does that make sense?

Hebrew was a liturgical language. Aramaic was the language of the people, and Latin the official "state" language.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


David said, "Now doesn't it stand to reason, since the Catholic Church calls Peter their 1st Pope, and these folks are with Peter, many years after Christ ascended into Heaven, these folks peverting the Gospels of Christ, were none other than the Catholic Church?"

So before the Reformation, there was nobody out there preaching the Gospel, because they had all been perverted. Is that correct?

If that is so, then where did Luther, Calvin and all of the others get the Gospel?

If there was nobody, then there would have been no monks shut away in monasteries scrupulously copying the Bible, one page at a time to be bound into books, would there?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


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As far as the use of Latin, everyone was speaking English 2000 years ago, right?
---Cluny on 5/2/16

They were speaking Hebrew before that. I don't see you using any Hebrew or even the Hebrew witness. Nah...instead your filthy little latin doctrines make you think you are a latin legend in your own mind. While your heart belongs to the greek...orthodoc's.
Use some greek and hebrew impress yourself, anew for a change. Or use scripture and shock us.
Pro_9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live, and go in the way of understanding.
---Trav on 5/3/16


David said, "Why does the Pope wear a crown? Where can I find this directive in the Gospels?"

How is that an answer to Nicole's comment? She answered your question, and you shotgunned her with a bit of trivia.

STOP IT!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


Trav
Who is Paul talking about in (Galatians 1: 7-9), Those who pervert the Gospel of Christ?
The Answer is found in (Galatians 2:14). Those with Peter!!

Now doesn't it stand to reason, since the Catholic Church calls Peter their 1st Pope, and these folks are with Peter, many years after Christ ascended into Heaven, these folks peverting the Gospels of Christ, were none other than the Catholic Church?
---David on 5/3/16


The Pope DOES NOT wear a crown.

David, if you're talking about the papal tiara, this was retired over 50 years ago, and the custom ceased.

Why are you and others fixated on this?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/16


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'Do this in remembrance of Me.' {ALWAYS}: that is your answer for the Ritual used. ---Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
Why does the Pope wear a crown? Where can I find this directive in the Gospels?
---David on 5/3/16


'Do this in remembrance of Me.' {ALWAYS}: that is your answer for the Ritual used. ---Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
Why does the Pope wear a crown? Where can I find this directive in the Gospels?
---David on 5/3/16


In other words, Trav, you know nothing about what you were saying when i asked my questions.

As far as the use of Latin, everyone was speaking English 2000 years ago, right?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/16


Trav, you seem to know more about Catholic things than I (who am Orthdox) know.
---Cluny on 5/2/16

You know more about the individual chain links that you wrap yourself in.
I point to scripture keys that open the links...for "Sheep".
There are no scriptures authorizing "Orthodox/RCC" priest/popes other than "Pharisee".
"universal/catholic" cults, I find you remain related and trying to rejoin with each other. RCC history of indulgences, bloody hands and rampant pedophilia, are nothing to boast about.
The doctrines and latin language you and prisoner monk cloak your doctrines in are not found scripturally witnessed and why neither of you can provide scripture upon scripture.
---Trav on 5/2/16


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Trav, you seem to know more about Catholic things than I (who am Orthdox) know.

How much does it cost in American currency to escape Purgatory?

How much does it cost to go to confession? I assume that's what you mean by "an audience with the priest." If I'm mistaken, please explain what you do mean and the price.

How much does it cost to receive Communion and for the other Sacraments and ministrations?

Of course, I remember from my old days as a Baptist before I got saved, pastors NEVER asked for money, and visiting evangelists were NEVER offered honoraria. Is that still the rule among Protestants?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/16


Now please show me the book, a book in the bible, where God established the Catholic priesthood with all its rituals.
in the New Testament, where did the priesthood get their instruction? ---David on 5/2/16

Matthew, Mark and Luke Gospels during the Last Supper.

Jesus made the 12 Disciple the New Priests for his New Covenant of His Church.

'Do this in remembrance of Me.' {ALWAYS}: that is your answer for the Ritual used.

Jewish People are the KINGS OF RITUALS.
Directed by God.

Obedient People.

Thank God they did!!!!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/2/16


Trav said, "You place men for priest in front of Christ, and money is required to escape purgatory or audience to the only priest. Etc, etc, etc."

Trav, you are spreading lies! Not just being a liar, you traffic in them to others.

A priest does not stand in the way of man when he wants to talk to God. Nor does the priest REQUIRE money to pray for a person, to hear a confession, or pray for the sick, anoint and bury the dead, feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked or visit the sick or those in prison--EXACTLY what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 25:31-46.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/2/16


\\Now please show me the book, a book in the bible, where God established the Catholic priesthood with all its rituals.\\

I've already dealt with this issue, David.

Please see my previous posts.

BTW, I'm Orthodox, in case you've forgotten.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/2/16


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David said, " My objective is to point out these false teachings.
... according to the bible, a history book you can not change."
...Brendan on 4/29/16

Bible is a History book. History of Adam, through, generations of Israel from the beginning to the end of scripture. It is your sign/mark when you and your so called church/cult, does not call attention to facts. Israel/Jacob is mentioned 3,929 times, the only ones covenanted. You've never mentioned them once. You cannot...your cults name is "universal" man. It has no place for the history or truths about Israel.
You place men for priest in front of Christ, and money is required to escape purgatory or audience to the only priest. Etc, etc, etc.
---Trav on 5/2/16


Which isn't very much, David.
---Cluny on 4/30/16


Exactly my point, because we can find nothing written about the establishment of the priesthood, used by Catholic Church in the bible. Look at all the instructions God gave in the book of Leviticus establishing the Levite priesthood.

Now please show me the book, a book in the bible, where God established the Catholic priesthood with all its rituals.

You can't, because no such instruction exists in the New Testament. Now since this detailed instruction doesn't exist, in the New Testament, where did the priesthood get their instruction?
---David on 5/2/16


\\I am letting Cluny know all I know about the Catholic faith,\\

Which isn't very much, David.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/16


Yes.

Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God

God does not retrieve gifts. Rom 11:29
---aservant on 4/30/16


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I like the story of Joseph Wolff a Jew who became a Christian then a Catholic where he studied at Tbingen and at Rome, where he was expelled from the Collegio di Propaganda in 1818 for attacking the doctrine of infallibility and criticizing his tutors. After a short stay in the monastery of the Redemptorists at Val Sainte near Fribourg, Switzerland, he left and became an Anglican Minister. He graduated from Cambridge.

Correct Nicole the Bible has history but it is not a history book. Good point.

The church is Israel today. Since I believe the writings of Paul are part of Scripture. Peter was writing to gentiles.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/16


...according to the bible, a history book you can not change. ---David on 4/28/16

The Bible isn't a History Book.

It is a Witness Testimony of Man being Saved by Jesus Christ:

An account of why God made man, how man sinned, how man disconnected himself from God, and how God came to restore our relationship to God the Father.

If you truly wish to know about the Bible, go to Jeff Cavins' The Bible Timeline: The Story of Salvation

BTW, he was a Catholic who left and became a Protestant Pastor who returned back to the Catholic Church after studying HISTORY and Jewish Worship, not just the Bible.

Just studying the Bible confused him causing him to leave the RCC.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/29/16


David said, " My objective is to point out these false teachings. And now on your other blog question, I am letting Cluny know all I know about the Catholic faith, according to the bible, a history book you can not change."

What evidence have you presented? You say you know all about the Catholic Church, but I never get an inkling that you have ever even been inside a Catholic Church. All you have spouted is anti-Catholic rhetoric you probably learned at your mother's knee.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/29/16


David said, "No, what your doing is avoiding the evidence by changing the subject. Politicians use this Tactic all the time, when presented with a subject they don't care to discuss."

No, I am not avoiding the subject. You have stated that the priesthood of the Catholic Church is a Levitical priesthood, and the priesthood of Jesus is after the order of Melchizadek. What I have tried to point out is that the Catholic priesthood comes directly from Jesus Christ, and not from Levi.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/29/16


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Now, focusing on the final sentence, I am asking you if you are claiming that you haven't died--i.e. claiming to be Melchizedek.---Monk_Brendan

No, what your doing is avoiding the evidence by changing the subject. Politicians use this Tactic all the time, when presented with a subject they don't care to discuss.

And since you choose to avoid it, I will leave you to learn the Truth from God. Hopefully that will not be on the day of Judgment.

My objective is to point out these false teachings. And now on your other blog question, I am letting Cluny know all I know about the Catholic faith, according to the bible, a history book you can not change.
---David on 4/28/16


Monk Brendan, I think there is distant grace, and personal grace.

Distant grace can be God on the throne smiling at us and forgiving us.

But personal grace is God in us personally effecting us with His own love in our nature, so we become more and more like Jesus.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

And so, grace makes us pleasing to our Father like Jesus is. So, grace is not only favor for us, but with approval of how Jesus is so delighting to our Father (c:
---Bill on 4/27/16


David, you said, "Melchizedek died. Only Jesus's priesthood lives forever!"
I didn't.


Now, focusing on the final sentence, I am asking you if you are claiming that you haven't died--i.e. claiming to be Melchizedek.

If you are, or possibly another of the prophets, then reveal yourself to the world.

If you are saying that you're simply not dead yet, I hope so. Otherwise you'd freak us all out.

However, the only other alternative is that you are telling am untruth, and you need to repent.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/16


But all followers of Jesus are priests.

1Peter 2:9
...a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, holy nation, a peculiar people,...
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/16

You posted in ignorance of scriptural understanding, being taught this or just can't connect Israels pattern. Use the key words...peculiar for example, meaning special, treasure, etc.
Exo_19:5 ... a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: ...
Deu_14:2 ...an holy people unto the LORD thy God, LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations ...upon the earth.
Deu_26:18 ...his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee,...
Psa_135:4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, Israel for his peculiar treasure.
---Trav on 4/27/16


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David, you haven't made yourself clear. Are you saying you didn't die? I find that just a bit hard to believe. Who are you?---Monk_Brendan

Monk Brendan
Clever,...you reposted what I said and added quotation marks behind the word "didn't", at the end of my post. Instead of admitting I was right and engaging in an educational discussion that was just beginning, you do this to try and make me look foolish.

Not quite what I expected from a Monk.
---David on 4/27/16


David said, "Monk Brendan
You said on 4/24..."Melchizedek died. Only Jesus's priesthood lives forever!"
I didn't."


David, you haven't made yourself clear. Are you saying you didn't die? I find that just a bit hard to believe. Who are you?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/26/16


//But all followers of Jesus are priests.//
Wrong, you are not Israel
The nation of Israel was prophesied to one day be the Priests of the Lord to the Gentiles:
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God:..."
God ordained Israel to be a kingdom of priests and an holy nation:
Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation
---michael_e on 4/26/16


True this man of God turned to follow Satan and murdered and died in sin.

So why should we follow his example?

Those who follow Jesus are:

Titus 2:11-14
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ,
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/26/16


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\\The Bible says a Bishop must be a true man of GOD. Otherwise they are false apostles and agents of Satan. \\

Saul was hardly a man of God in the last part of his life, but he was still King of Israel, and David said he would not raise his hand against the Lord's anointed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/25/16


As a human being Melchizedek had to die. The phrase is about having no genealogy. It is from my research a Hebrew phrase for no record of ancestry.

The only High priest we have is Jesus. He is alive in Heaven.

But all followers of Jesus are priests.

1Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/16


Sorry to pop your bubble, but the ORDER of priests of Melchizedek has not died.--Monk_Brendan

Monk Brendan
You said on 4/24..."Melchizedek died. Only Jesus's priesthood lives forever!"
I didn't.

Looks like you burst your own bubble.
---David on 4/26/16


David said, "So as you can see, Melchizedek did not die...as in the Levite Priesthood and the Catholic Church.(Hebrews 7:23)"

Sorry to pop your bubble, but the ORDER of priests of Melchizedek has not died. "Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil,Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." Hebrews 6:19-20. Also read Hebrews 7:12, 7:15-17 and 7:24-28

How can you tap dance around all those other verses in Hebrews 7 without seeing them?

The High Priest in all those verses is Jesus, and Melchizedek
---Monk_Brendan on 4/25/16


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Melchizedek died. Only Jesus's priesthood lives forever.--Monk Brendan

Monk Brendan
(Hebrews 7:3) tells us Melchizedek did not die. It describes him in this manner, "....having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God..."

So as you can see, Melchizedek did not die. If he had, there would have been need for many Priests, as in the Levite Priesthood and the Catholic Church.(Hebrews 7:23)
---David on 4/25/16


David said, "Why does the Catholic priesthood have many priests? Because like the Levite priesthood, their priests die."

Melchizedek died. Only Jesus's priesthood lives forever!

Like Melchizedek, Aaron, Eli, and the other priests of Israel, Catholic priests die. So do Protestant ministers, so do rabbis, imams, and priests of other religions. They are all mortal. Name one Protestant minister that was born in the Reformation and is still alive.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/24/16


The Bible says a Bishop must be a true man of GOD. Otherwise they are false apostles and agents of Satan.

2Corithians 11:4
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2Corithians 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God, not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre,



We must decide if the words of the Apostles in the Bible the final authority or the words of men.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/24/16


Monk Brendan
The answer to your question is yes, but that Grace was not handed down to ascending generations. How can I say this?

It came from (Hebrews 7:23), where it clearly tells us why God made the Levite priesthood, a priesthood of many priests. It was because those priests were mortal and they would die. This is why Aaron's ascendants were also made priests, else the priesthood would have ended when Aaron's generation died.

The priesthood of Jesus Christ is compared to Melchizedeks, because like Melchizedek, Jesus is a priest forever, thereby taking away the need for a priesthood of many priests.

Why does the Catholic priesthood have many priests? Because like the Levite priesthood, their priests die.
---David on 4/24/16


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God bless enjoy this today,you know I'm just a regular person but,we had such a bad tough sit....experience but God placed us with the most loving such caring people the church
I now attened is just a joy.take all our sorrows,we need power move get up smiles!
---Elena95555 on 4/22/16


We have an unbroken line of succession, from Peter and the Apostles, where bishops have set men aside, by the laying on of hands for ministry in the Church.
---Monk_Brendan


Monk Brendan
This I understand, and you have given me a better understanding of the Catholic faith, and your Priesthood.
I'm going to do more study on this, and will get back to you in a day or two. Thanks again.
---David on 4/22/16


God's grace is always there. How we apply it & use it is up to the person. Here is a little way to remember it:
G= Gods,
R= Riches
A= at
C= Christ
E= Expense
---wivv on 4/21/16


David said, "If this Grace was handed down, a Catholic priest would have the authority to forgive sin. But how do we know, how can we be sure this authority was given?"

Because that grace comes from God. We have an unbroken line of succession, from Peter and the Apostles, where bishops have set men aside, by the laying on of hands for ministry in the Church. When that happens, then a man is bound to the Church, and has the grace to stand at the altar, to preach the Gospel, to do all the things that the Church would have them do.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/21/16


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Monk Brendan
So this is why the Catholic believer, goes to a priest and asks for forgiveness. I didn't know that, and thank you brother, for helping me to understand.

If this Grace was handed down, a Catholic priest would have the authority to forgive sin. But how do we know, how can we be sure this authority was given?

When Sin is forgiven, there is a cleansing which takes place, (1 John 1:9). Confess your sin before a priest, and then confess your sin, alone, before God.

The answer will be found in the cleansing. This cleansing is undeniable proof which can only come from God. I have never confessed my sins before a priest, so I can not give an honest answer to your question.
---David on 4/21/16


Faith for faith said, " The RSV doesn't use the word "GRACE" in any of those verses (I don't know what version of scripture you are using)."

I didn't say that the word "grace" was in those texts. I was showing that grace was imparted at that moment. Grace for loosing or binding, grace for forgiving or not forgiving sins.

Now, the question I ask, did that grace continue with them the rest of their lives, and were they able to transmit that grace to others
---Monk_Brendan on 4/20/16


The RSV doesn't use the word "GRACE" in any of those verses (I don't know what version of scripture you are using).

The way we were taught to use and understand certain words is not according to their original and generic meaning (the creator/origin is not a personality and the words we use are tailored to a SYSTEM of procedural activity/structure....their true CONCEPT is no longer understandable to us).

GRACE refers to God's blessings/favor.

The word "FAITH" has also been distorted in meaning in the manner of obscuring the true CONCEPT of that word (we should have a FAITH for the purpose of true worship.


God is truly worshiped
by us having a "FAITH for FAITH" (Romans 1:17).
---faithforfaith on 4/20/16


I dont profess to know that much, because its beyond my understanding. How God a sovereign, eternal, creator would do what He did just because He loved mankind. He became human, lived with men for three years in Israel, went to the Cross and suffered death simply because He loved mankind. And through that finished Cross work paid the price of redemption for all the human race
Thats GRACE to me
---michael_e on 4/19/16


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The Orthodox Church teaches that grace is God Himself.
---Cluny on 4/18/16

The orthodox are of constantine the Scriptures are of another.

Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen_33:10 Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, ...
Exo_33:17 the LORD said unto Moses...thou hast found grace in my sight, I know thee by name.
Jer_31:2 saith the LORD, The people...found grace in the wilderness, Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Psa_130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
---Trav on 4/19/16


The word "GRACE" simply REFERS TO God's gracious giving.

MANY words (key words) have had their CONCEPTS removed by satan and man in order to mislead us (causing us all to misunderstand God's message to us.

The word "FAITH" REFERS TO (its concept) the way we have chosen to live, our lifestyle). Jesus (SAVIOR) told the woman "Your FAITH has saved you", He did not say that she should let His blood save her ("It is the spirit that gives LIFE" (eternal LIFE is our goal).

Jesus performed the first part of complete salvation on the cross. It is up to us to have faith (lifestyle) taught God's SPIRIT.
---faithforfaith on 4/19/16


The Orthodox Church teaches that grace is God Himself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/16


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