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Holy Spirit Left Me

Help! Had received the Holy Spirit, and was living on cloud nine for a few months, slipped up and sinned, now it feels like God has turned his smile away from me. The H.S. has left and now i feel like I'm living in a torturous state of mind. Worst than greatest depression. Will He ever return to me?

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Monk paraphrasing scripture is not blasphemy against God. you posted Proverbs 14:12, and I was "thinking of " Proverbs 12:15....or maybe the one in Deuteronomy...or possibly the one in Ezekiel....

BUT YOU paraphrased something here yourself..stating "Salvation is of God not the Jews." So by saying that, you did not and still do not understand what Jesus meant. Of coarse Salvation is a Gift from God. There is a difference between the word FROM and OF in the context of what Jesus was saying. So salvation is not FROM the Jews, but OF the Jews.

Monk, maybe it's time for you to return to an Ascetic lifestyle that Monks live by and prayerfully read 1 Cor 13 and stop trying to find evil in everything I say.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/16


Kathr said, "Monk, again you rebuke the very words of Jesus Christ. It's obvious you don't understand what Jesus meant."

No, I understand all too well. It is you who blaspheme God's Word when you incorrectly quote it, or quote something out of context, or go off on some tangent to make me understand your truth.

It's not going to work, Kathr, so you had better be ready to see my posting every time you misquote something. I haven't even begun to talk about spelling YET
---Monk_Brendan on 5/28/16


John 4:20-23

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain, and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Monk, again you rebuke the very words of Jesus Christ. It's obvious you don't understand what Jesus meant.
---kathr4453 on 5/27/16


Kathr said, "What I will say Monk is this, salvation is OF the Jews. It's not OF the RCC or Orthodox or OF anything else. I didn't say this, Jesus did."

And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. Mark 8:29

When Jesus had risen from the dead, He spoke to Peter three times, "Do you love me?"

When Peter answered yes, he became a Christian of Jewish heritage, just as you are. He was no longer a Jew.

BTW, don't wave the Star of David so heavily. Salvation is of God, not the Jews.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/27/16


That's correct Monk, not a Protestant of Jewish heritage. That is what the conversation was about. That all non Catholics who believe in Jesus Christ and have put their faith in Him are not Protestant. All Christians today are neither Jew or Gentile, but a NEW CREATION. in Christ Jesus. The New Creature is not Protestant or RCC either.

What I will say Monk is this, salvation is OF the Jews. It's not OF the RCC or Orthodox or OF anything else. I didn't say this, Jesus did. So when the RCC add to something not founded upon the apostles and prophets ...which were Jews, WE KNOW IT. Trying to tag on pagan rituals to Christianity is something we have a keen eye for.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/16




Kathr said, " Monk, I go to a church called GRACE. Monk,there are plenty of independent churches today who don't spout belonging to any particular denomination. Not all are spiritually grounded. However many are. We preach Christ crucified and risen."

So does my Church! However, since you accepted Jesus into your heart, you are no longer a Jew. You are a Christian of Jewish heritage. Do please write correctly.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/26/16


Monk, I go to a church called GRACE. Monk,there are plenty of independent churches today who don't spout belonging to any particular denomination. Not all are spiritually grounded. However many are. We preach Christ crucified and risen.

I hope that answers your question.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/16


Kathr said, "The term born again gentile isn't used in scripture either. But for some reason when a gentile says the're born again, that's ok, but when a Jew says they are born again......they get thrown in a different category."

Okay, fine. But what do you believe? Do you go to a Church? If so, what is the denomination? Or is it a non-denominational denomination? Or do you belong to the "I don't believe that any church preaches the True Word of God, so I study it myself denomination?

We are all waiting with bated breath!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/21/16


We all fall short of the glory of God. even as Born Again Christians we will all sin again. at times I have faltered and felt the feeling you were talking about. I was depressed feeling as if I've betrayed the Lord. I then fell to my knees and prayed unceasing for the Lord to forgive me and for the Holy Ghost to be with me and I was at peace again. as long as you have a willing heart that's all that matters.
---Lee on 5/18/16


Monk, read Philippians 3, from the first verse to the last in the chapter, you will see the vast difference between a Born Again Jew and Messianic Judaism. Messianic Judaism is a denomination, with some congregations having over 85% Gentiles. In Philippians 3 Paul, a born again Jew is not teaching Messianic Judaism. And clearly is not teaching Messianic Judaism in Colossians 2 and 3. Also Gentiles don't become Jews when they get saved or follow Jewish traditions etc as we see what all the ruckus was about in Galatians.

The term born again gentile isn't used in scripture either. But for some reason when a gentile says the're born again, that's ok, but when a Jew says they are born again......they get thrown in a different category.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/16




Kathr said, "No it is NOT Monk. Messianic Judiasm is a whole different animal, with a whole different doctrine, who also has a large majority of Gentiles calling themselves Messianic Jews."

Please don't shout. Okay, you told me you are a born again Jew. Since you are not a Messianic Jew, then it is obvious that you have gone to one of the Protestant denominations. So what are you complaining about? I am trying to make nice.

BTW, where is "Born Again Jew" in the Bible?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/17/16


You told me you were a Born Again Jew. Is that correct? Then the doctrine you hold to is Messianic Judaism.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16

No it is NOT Monk. Messianic Judiasm is a whole different animal, with a whole different doctrine, who also has a large majority of Gentiles calling themselves Messianic Jews.

Paul did not teach Messianic Judiasm either. He rebuked them in Galatia, and called that OTHER GOSPEL accursed.

Please know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/16


Kathr said, "Not sure how that fits into the conversation. Who said anything about Messianic Judaism????"

You told me you were a Born Again Jew. Is that correct? Then the doctrine you hold to is Messianic Judaism.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16


to say, "Have I ever said a derogatory word about Messianic Judaism?"
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16

Not sure how that fits into the conversation. Who said anything about Messianic Judaism????
---kathr4453 on 5/13/16


Kathr said, " A born again Jew is not a doctrine, but a person."

You are right. Forgive me. I meant to say, "Have I ever said a derogatory word about Messianic Judaism?"
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16


Monk, you brought the conversation to a new low. A born again Jew is not a doctrine, but a person. I also rebuke Calvinism more so than Catholocism. So don't feel it is personal towards you, or even Calvinists. YOU are not a doctrine Monk, nor am I. I also rebuke Mormonism, JW and those who hate Paul's teaching.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/16


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Kathr said, "I said something about the RCC doctrine Monk, and YOU went off on me on several threads. THAT is where it started."

Have I ever said a derogatory word about born again Jews? No! I had some good friends that belonged to Jews for Jesus.

So why do you think it necessary to take jabs at the RCC?

I already know you have a problem with me. If I say something with which you don't agree, you start using ALL CAPS! I don't yell at you. Please refrain from yelling, and bring this to the level of a debate between two people, and not two kids.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/12/16


Monk, please show me where I called you stupid. Ignorant is not the same as stupid....you do know that?

I find it interesting how the very people who do attack first, blame the other when confronted, for starting it.

I said something about the RCC doctrine Monk, and YOU went off on me on several threads. THAT is where it started.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/16


J.B. We can quench the Holy Spirit in us, but the Holy Spirit never leaves us, that is if you are saved, and received the indwelling Holy Spirit in the first place. We're living in the NT today, not the old. In the Davidic Covenant God promised David He would never take the Holy Spirit from him. Today, the Everlasting covenant is so much more than that. Everlasting means just that...EVERLASTING.
---kathr453 on 5/10/16


I just had a wonderful idea.

Can we get back to J.B.'s original concern,please?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/16


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Kathr said, "Monk, yes you are free to do,anything you please according to the worlds standards. But scripture also states we are FREE as well,...I do find it interesting you defended yourself under the worldly standard, and not the Godly one. To call someone STUPID, because YOU didn't understand what was said, is the reaction of an unregenerate."

But you called me STUPID first! I have tried to be charitable to all on these blogs. When a person attacks me, I defend myself.

1Cor 3:18 (KJV) says, Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

Apply this to yourself!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/8/16


Monk, yes you are free to do,anything you please according to the worlds standards. But scripture also states we are FREE as well, but not to use that freedom afflicting maliciousness on others. I do find it interesting you defended yourself under the worldly standard, and not the Godly one. To call someone STUPID, because YOU didn't understand what was said, is the reaction of an unregenerate.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/16


Kathr said, "I do hope and pray you were never a teacher Monk. And with that you should not be teaching anyone anything here online either"

Thank you so much! I was not a teacher. I was a manufacturing/retail jeweler.

As far as me "TEACHING" online, I do not presume to teach. It is not one of the things I am gifted in, and I know it.

However, this is a free country, and one of the rights that I have is Free Speech. The Moderator(s) may cut all my comments, but that is their right, as they have Freedom of the Press, and as they own the press, they can use it any way they want.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/7/16


Rob, that's awesome. Your a lefty too ..interesting. And No Haz23, no one is talking about politics here...!

A funny story here. Our Lab was also left handed. My children taught her how to shake hands. When I tried to shake with her, I got her left paw.

I know Rob, can you imagine the trauma of those who were said to be demonic??? I don't believe that came from the public schools, but the Catholic schools where demons and Satan were always hung over one's head. Public schools didn't talk about demons. And if they did, it was some false notion passed down from religious idiots.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/16


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Psalms 111:7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment, all his commandments are sure.

I see there are still ignorants who believe left handed people will go to hell and are demon possessed. Yet we see God uses BOTH HANDS. Will God also go to hell for using His left hand. Even left handed people use BOTH HANDS. And right handed people use their left.

No doubt these were also burned at the stake.
Rob I am truly sorry for all the hurt you went through. To force one to use their right hand because they THINK left handed people will go to hell IS WORKING YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN. Our names are written in the Lambs book of Life, not the book of right handed people.
1 Timothy 2:8 says both hands are HOLY.
---kathr453 on 5/7/16


The Nazi salute or Hitler salute (German: Hitlergru literally Hitler Greeting) is a gesture that was used as a greeting in Nazi Germany. The salute is performed by extending the right arm in the air with a straightened hand. Usually, the person offering the salute would say "Heil Hitler"

Sounds demonic to me. So there are actually more demonic right handed people in the world than left handed.

And not one verse in scripture states left handed people are demonic and will go to hell.
---kathr4454 on 5/7/16


\\But yet because I'm left handed and dyslexic, people have said I'm dumb and demon possessed\\

Which is stupid.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/16


For those who are wondering what I went to school for and graduated, they are Ordinance, Emergency Medicine, Orthopedics, Transportation Management, Computer Networking, and Aviation Management.

But yet because I'm left handed and dyslexic, people have said I'm dumb and demon possessed.

My younger sister is a Bio-Chemist and Nuclear Scientist!
---Rob on 5/7/16


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Back in the olden days, there weren't available choices for alternate schooling. So I guess like Thomas Edison's mother, they home schooled them. Yep even Thomas Edison had special needs. He was also abused in school because he learned different than others.

Unfortunately today, because corporal punishment in schools went TOO FAR, there is no discipline at all today in public schools.

Cluny, Calvinists accusing other Calvinists of witchcraft and murdering other Calvinists is no different than the RCC inquisition. You either conform to the authority of THE MAN who thinks he is THE AUTHORITY, or get killed. It's called RELIGION....NOT CHRISTIANITY.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/16


I said to Kathr, "Oh! I thought the Puritans, with their stocks, branding, punishments, and so forth were Protestants, not Catholic."

Ooops! I beg of you to forgive the sarcasm.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/6/16

Monk, was this second post ensuring I would note the sarcasism? Why do you need my forgivness? I'm not a Puritan or a Protestant so no offense taken. Both broke away from the RCC...... I was never RCC to begin with. They broke away from the authority of the Pope, but kept many of the doctrines. I know many believe if your not RCC then you are Protestant. That is not true. Paul, Peter, James John etc etc were not RCC or Protestant, they were Christians.
---kathr453 on 5/7/16


I said to Kathr, "Oh! I thought the Puritans, with their stocks, branding, punishments, and so forth were Protestants, not Catholic."

Ooops! I beg of you to forgive the sarcasm.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/6/16


Kathr said, "Monk, it's not that simple. I'm know teachers and nuns and monks alike in the olden days tried to apply all sorts of ways to either punish embarrass, humiliate in front of the class to CORRECT reading spelling and math, even to the point of driving some children to suicide"

Almost all of that happened to me in some form or another, while I was attending Public School!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/6/16


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While we're on such a subject, Monk Brendan, I remember my fourth grade teacher humiliating students by making them wear a baby cap and drink out of a baby bottle. Fortunately, I escaped this.

BTW, people on here have criticized the Inquisition for burning heretics, witches, and certain other offenders that I will not specify (they seem to go against the posting standards here)--but say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the New England Puritans who executed people found guilty of EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS!

Why is that?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/16


Monk, We know the ignorance of those, both public and RCC schools who forced left handed kids to write with the right hand. Aweful! Both my children are left handed. My son is brilliant, has a hard time with math, yet is an English major and knows 12 foreign languages. It's interesting that both my lefties can learn and speak and write foreign languages with no effort. Both in the upper 1% IQ wise, but both have learning disabilities with that.

As Rob also pointed out, the brain is an amazing thing.

And try to tell some of our most brilliant authors they didn't know what they were talking about because they can't/couldn't spell.

Enough is enough Monk. Educate yourself on the subject before abusing others here again.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/16


I would like to add one final note on the subject. For parents who have children with learning issues, they may smarter than you know. I know how heartbreaking it can be when our schools can't cope with these special issues, and punish children because they don't fit in to the school's norm. I never knew how smart I was until my children came along and desperately looking for answers I learned about myself. The Lord did that, and I cannot tell you what a healing came through it for me. And I also understand the suicidal tendencies children have when they don't get the help and support they need. Believe it or not, I attended seminars on LD and learned that over 65% of those who drop out of school, have LD and are in prison. Heartbreaking.
---kathr453 on 5/6/16


Kathr said, "Catholic schools even used physical punishment in hopes the CORRECTIONS made headway."

Oh! I thought the Puritans, with their stocks, branding, punishments, and so forth were Protestants, not Catholic.

Punishments of the kind you are thinking went on just as much in public schools, too.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/6/16


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Karthr, you are correct. When I perform and demonstrate numerical transformation, and molecular structure transformation, the students along with their teachers have no clue as to what I'm doing.

They always ask "how did you do that"?
---Rob on 5/6/16


Monk, it's not that simple. I'm know teachers and nuns and monks alike in the olden days tried to apply all sorts of ways to either punish embarrass, humiliate in front of the class to CORRECT reading spelling and math, even to the point of driving some children to suicide. Catholic schools even used physical punishment in hopes the CORRECTIONS made headway. But we see, it doesn't Monk.

Long term or short term memory has nothing to do with it. You see Monk, there are just some areas you know nothing about. But NOW that you have been corrected, will you STOP? That won't be a memory issue with you, but a choice to either continue to abuse or not.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/16


"What was the finished product of THE BOOKS bound together called?"

The Bible! Now ask another stupid question!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/4/16

I do hope and pray you were never a teacher Monk. And with that you should not be teaching anyone anything here online either. Now Cluny said the word Bible is not in the Bible. The Greek word biblio IS, and is where the word Bible comes from. It means books. It is the English word for BIBLIO. So if perhaps it was kept in the Greek form, we might see HOLY BIBLIO...Referring to the HOLY BOOKS, or HOLY BOOKS referring to the 66.
---kathr453 on 5/6/16


Rob, my daughter has dyslexia, also very very bright. There are so many variances to dyslexia, and having issues with spelling is also one of them. For Cluny and Monk to continue to berate people on line for such issues calling them stupid, as they both have to so many is beyond ignorance. Also those who are right brained are those who are artists, musicians, deep thinkers who struggle with math and language skills. We know so much more today than ever how our brains work. To memorize words, but don't understand their meaning go into the autistic area. Even autistic children can have extremely high IQ's. Every person is precious and we should appreciate people for WHO they are, not their spelling or confusion of letter arrangement.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/16


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Rob, here is something interesting about my daughter. When she was in elementary school, I started her in piano lessons. After a few weeks, her teacher said she needed to speak with me. She said, Laura plays well BUT, what she is suppose to play with her right hand she plays with her left, and what she is to play with her left hand she plays with her right. She said she had never seen anything like it before, and suggested we wait a few years and try again. I already knew she had dyslexia, but this just added another layer of strangeness to the issue.

Today my daughter is an accountant for a well known company in Atlanta.
---kathr453 on 5/5/16


Kathr said, " And to add more ignorance to Monks comment, one is their obsession with spelling."

I obsess about spelling and punctuation. Yes! It is a fault. I try hard NOT to shake my obsessions at other people. However, when I have made a mistake in either one, and someone corrects me, I try to use the CORRECT spelling/punctuation from then on, and I thank the person. Something that you have not even tried to do.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/5/16


Please sop demeaning one another if it hurts my heart to see it how must God feel about it? Bible, if you see a brother overtaken with a fault then pray for him. I shall pray about this everyone's time,including mine, can be spent better on the Word of God.
---Darlene_1 on 5/5/16


Kathr, I can relate to what you wrote on 5/5/2016. I'm left handed and dislexic. Because of these things, many times I have been told I'm demon possessed.

But yet, I have several college degrees.
---Rob on 5/5/16


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Trav,I know, and that is WHY he is having so much trouble understanding what I'm saying. And to add more ignorance to Monks comment, one is their obsession with spelling. There is a long list of prolific brilliant writers, as well as scientists, and none other than Albert Einstein himself who were terrible spellers. It just shows how truly ignorant Monk is on many issues. A Monks world must be so narrow and locked away in a 1st century mentality they probably killed children who had dyslexia thinking they were demonic. I'm sure they beat them , out of IGNORANCE. And dyslexia has also affected extremely intelligent people.

The Latin definition is right here on the web. IT WAS A CUT AND PASTE MONK.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/16


Kathr said, "Copying THE BIBLE? Really Monk? SO there was a BIBLE to copy?"

Of course there was! All of the Hebrew OT and the NT (written in Greek) were available. Usually, the educated people in the times up to the Reformation spoke Latin, including Luther and Calvin!

"Weren't they translating THE BOOKS, into Latin, that were already written and bound them together?"

Yes, sometimes they were. However, please remember that the printing press and mechanical movable type was not invented until 1439, and pressbound books were unavailable before then.

"What was the finished product of THE BOOKS bound together called? ?..The Bible.
Monk_Brendan on 5/4/16

See how EASY that was Monk?
---kathr453 on 5/5/16


Kathr said, "Sorry Monk, this says otherwise."

What "this?" There is no referent. Are you looking at Vines Concordance or some other book? If you want me to research, at least give me a place to look!

"...HOWEVER, we, that is NORMAL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, don't call that added info "BOOKS"

First of all, you are the unintelligent one, in that you don't know how to spell, you don't understand the meaning of words, and you are intentionally obtuse!

You had stated that the word "Bible" was on the cover and the first page. I was trying to get across to you that the cover and title page are not Holy Writ.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/4/16


Look up...WHY don't Catholics read the Bible. I think you will get a picture of why Monk just has a problem with THE BOOKS in the first place.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/16

monk has recommended many books here. Never the Bible. He (presumes he is a teacher:)...but, has unified no lesson.
He cherry picks specific verses...but, never their origin or extended references.
He has taught us to research the falseness of his institution, that the universal/catholic papa's would cringe about if they knew. They prefer controlling what their followers read...not encouraging them to read.
David's, marked them,
Gal_2:4 because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy...that they might bring us into bondage:
---Trav on 5/4/16


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\\The Latin word for "Book" is Libros, not even close to biblio.\\

That's the Spanish plural, from the Latin LIBER.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/16


The English word Bible is from the Latin biblia, from the same word in Medieval Latin and Late Latin and ultimately from Koine Greek ta biblia "the books" , biblion).

Sorry Monk, this says otherwise.
Now one CAN write a book called Vines Concordance for example, And inside we would actually see a concordance, it has a cover page with copy write info, publishers info, maybe a preface, footnotes. HOWEVER, we, that is NORMAL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, don't call that added info "BOOKS"

I do understand the problem here. Look up...WHY don't Catholics read the Bible. I think you will get a picture of why Monk just has a problem with THE BOOKS in the first place.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/16


RECEIVE
verb

synonyms: be given, be presented with, be sent, be in receipt of, accept delivery of, accept
Since Cluny has problems with synonyms here we have several for RECEIVE.

So to say I never answered your question, only shows you have an unteachable heart. That comes only through PRIDE, or perhaps a slight disability called autism. The vicious outbursts also can be either or as well. Or we just have a new flavor of Christianity expressing itself through none other than "The Donald" many today are imitating as Christianity.

Cluny have YOU received/accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior? Remember your church cannot do it for you...YOU personally must make that decision.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/16


The Bible does have a title for itself.

James 4:5
Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
1Peter 2:6
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
2Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

We must follow scripture also called the Word of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/3/16


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Good verse Cluny. Those who refuse to follow God and be godly are not saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/3/16


Cluny quotes a verse calling certain people here a heretic, ...that would be me and anyone who disagrees with Cluny, not God, and Samuel says GOOD VERSE CLUNY"???

This is the second time Samuel you have ridden on Cluny's coat tails to throw another punch. What is going on with you. Has the Donald's behavior in cursing others and lying and bearing false witness and being cheered on for it also tainting your walk? I'm really disappointed with you Samuel. I have answered all of your questions and Cluny's. I have used scripture ONLY to show God's Word. And you call God's Word heresy?
---kath453 on 5/3/16


Kathr said, "What a moronic thing to say. The title page is what is inside , not what is on the outside.

Monk the Greek word biblio in Greek means BOOK, as used in scripture, even the Books God will open on judgement day. The English word biblio is in the bible. The Bible is 66 BOOKS , biblio's of Holy scripture, OT and NEW.

There is also a Latin word for book, also close to biblio. Take the io off the end, add an e in its place and walla BIBLE."


The Latin word for "Book" is Libros, not even close to biblio.

Also, you are expecting me to believe that everything inside the cover of a Bible is inspired? There are a great many pages before the actual TEXTS of the Bible, and none are Holy Writ!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


The title page and the book cover have never been described as inspired. There are no concordance results for "Bible" in the KJV.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


What a moronic thing to say. The title page is what is inside , not what is on the outside.

Monk the Greek word biblio in Greek means BOOK, as used in scripture, even the Books God will open on judgement day. The English word biblio is in the bible. The Bible is 66 BOOKS , biblio's of Holy scripture, OT and NEW.

There is also a Latin word for book, also close to biblio. Take the io off the end, add an e in its place and walla BIBLE.

The word MONK isn't in the Bible. Where does it come from? It's not God inspired inside or out!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 5/3/16


Kathr said, " Cluny, the word BIBLE, is used in the OT and New. It's simply the English word we use for BOOKS. The scriptures the scrolls, etc. Actually, on my cover it says HOLY BIBLE, AKA Holy BOOKS. Since Strongs is in Hebrew and Greek, the Greek is translated Bibbilio or something like that. Seeing I have misspelled it slightly, doesn't change the fact that "Bib" is the beginning of the word where we get BIBLE."

The title page and the book cover have never been described as inspired. There are no concordance results for "Bible" in the KJV.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/3/16


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Good verse Cluny. Those who refuse to follow God and be godly are not saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/3/16


Notice that kathr never actually answered my question.

Trav never does, either.

Another thing they judge me for is not quoting Scripture.

So here is one for them:

Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject,

Let them say what they will. I will no longer respond.

Henceforth, both are dead to me.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/3/16


John 1:12

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Well here it is Cluny. Receive here is the same as accept. But I believe you have issues with different words having the same definition. To as many, also "who so ever " will is PERSONAL. Who so ever made the change from the Nation Israel as a whole, to INDIVIDUAL salvation. "To become " the sons of God is salvation. An Individual can become a son simply by believing, accepting/ receiving Jesus Christ as your savior. No where are 7 sacraments attached to the promise.

If you offered me a gift, I can receive it from you AKA accept it from you, or reject it from you.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/16


Cluny, the word BIBLE, is used in the OT and New. It's simply the English word we use for BOOKS. The scriptures the scrolls, etc. Actually, on my cover it says HOLY BIBLE, AKA Holy BOOKS. Since Strongs is in Hebrew and Greek, the Greek is translated Bibbilio or something like that. Seeing I have misspelled it slightly, doesn't change the fact that "Bib" is the beginning of the word where we get BIBLE.

Well Cluny, God gave me an IQ over 140, with a spelling disability. So your insults don't bother me at all. Sometimes these deficiencies come with that territory. Since you are perfect, you wouldn't know or understand such things.
---kathr453 on 5/2/16


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Act 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Add you must be Born Again John 3.

To be saved you must do these things. From these others.

2Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Cluny, Monk Brendan. I answered your question on the name of the Priest who left the record of 3,000 people being burned to death in the Spanish Inquisition. Also where more information on the history of the Inquisition.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/2/16


kathr, your frequent misspellings (such as "sacriment" for "sacrAment"), claims that things are in the Bible that are in fact not there at all, and getting historical facts wrong all work together to give a strong impression that you simply do not know what you're talking about.

Now I'll ask YOU a question: Where in the Bible is "accept Christ into your heart as personal Savior?" Or even the word "Bible", for that matter.

When you answer either of these, I'll answer your objections.

Until you do, you're dead to me.


Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/16


Cluny, YOUR so called 7 Sacriments are in fact WORKS. Are you going to wiggle out and say...OH but I'm Orthodox and we don't believe that?

Tells us that one can go to heaven without participating in all of Your 7 Sacriments. Then there is no need for your church or the RCC to administer them.

Let's take communion. If I take ithe bread at my church, which no one puts on our tongue, will it turn to Jesus flesh no matter what?
---kathr4453 on 5/2/16


\\Because you believe you must WORK for your salvation\\

LIAR!

I never said that, and I don't believe it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/16


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And Cluny , I wasn't talking to you when I said Abraham knew he was saved. Even Job said I know that my redeemer live the and I will see Him in the Last days.

Do you believe God kept from Abraham the imputed righteousness given him? Jesus said of Abraham, " Abraham rejoiced to see my day, he saw it and was glad.

Abraham believed just as we do today. Actually it is the faith of Abraham we have.

Because you believe you must WORK for your salvation , which God clearly said NOT OF WORKS, I believe it is YOU Cluny who just does not believe God. It's IN the Bible, you said I made up.

The WORD Sacriments is NOT in the Bible. Only YOUR definition of Sacriments is.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/16


Samuel, the WORD OF GOD, is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword dividing between soul,and spirit bone and marrow, and nothing is not seen by God. We can come BOLDLY aka with confidence to the throne of Grace to find help and mercy from God in time of need.

C.S Lewis has no such power, Or insight into this man's soul or yours or mine. The man needs forgiveness and restoration ONLY GOD CAN GIVE. Cluny's C.S. Lewis quote here is not LIVING AND POWERFUL, and nothing more than a bandage that cannot heal and cleanse.
There are times for quotes, and times it just doesn't apply to the question.
---kathr453 on 5/1/16


\\Cluny do you even KNOW scripture yourself? Do you have a PERSONAL testimony to share with SCRIPTURE?
---kathr4453 on 5/1/1\\

If you knew Scripture as much as you thought you did, you wouldn't claim things are there that are in fact NOT there, such as saying Jesus said He was "vexed in spirit/soul" or that Abraham knew he was saved.

And "Mother of God" IS scriptural. Read Luke 1. "What is this to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?"

And who, prithee, is the Lord BUT God?

In any case, I wasn't talking to you when I quoted C. S. Lewis.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/16


C.S. Lewis was a brilliant and faithful Christian writer. I love to learn from Christians who came before me. So I do give a flip about what the said.

Correct kathyr GODly sorrow is a good thing. But we should trust Jesus and not be overwhelmed.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/16


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I said, "More to follow." Here it is:

In SCREWTAPE LETTERS, C. S. Lewis said that the devils are never as frightened as when a Christian looks at a landscape from which all signs of God have vanished, asks why he has been forsaken, and still intends to continue to love and obey Him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/16

No one gives a flip what C.S. Lewis said.

Cluny do you even KNOW scripture yourself? Do you have a PERSONAL testimony to share with SCRIPTURE?
---kathr4453 on 5/1/16


If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Remember faith is not a feeling, but believing what God said no matter how we feel.

And believe me, it won't be the last time or first time you sin.

1st Peter 4 tell us we go through a process until we LEARN, day by day to live more and more in His will. That takes time, but don't use it as an excuse. The FACT that you are troubled and under conviction is good. Godly sorrow is a good thing.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/16


Have you repented and asked for forgiveness? The Holy Spirit has not left. If it had you would not feel like anything. Your anguish is the Holy Spirit talking to you and working to get you back to walking with Jesus. Read I John 2.

Then read Romans 6.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/16


I said, "More to follow." Here it is:

In SCREWTAPE LETTERS, C. S. Lewis said that the devils are never as frightened as when a Christian looks at a landscape from which all signs of God have vanished, asks why he has been forsaken, and still intends to continue to love and obey Him.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/16


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When Paul writes that we are complete in Christ he is in the same context warning us about vain deceit and the tradition of men (Col 2:10).
When it comes to salvation Christ has done it all for you. There is nothing else that needs to be added to him.
I know that I am saved because Christ died for my sins, rose from the dead, and offers salvation freely to all who believe in him. He saves you when you believe the gospel of Christ.(Eph 1:13, Rom 3:22).

Stop trusting your life, your prayers, your works, your good deeds, your feelings, trust the finished work of Christ and know that you are saved.
---michael_e on 4/30/16


Salvation is a gift. Eph 2:8-9

God does not retrieve His gifts. Rom 11:29

You must have the Holy Spirit to be saved. Rom 8:9

If you really had the Holy Spirit, you still have Him.

Spend more prayer time with God. Ask him to return His "smile" to you.
---aservant on 4/30/16


Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would always be with us.

He NEVER promised we would be up on Mount Feelgood all the time.

If you're looking for feelings, the devil will produce them for you.

Spiritual writers of the pre-Reformation churches talk about periods of consolation (feeling good) and desolation (feeling down or abandoned) in the Christian life.

It's during the periods of DESOLATION we make the most progress, because THEN we grow in love and obedience.

More to follow.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/16


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