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Change Of Sabbath Day

Who changed the original Sabbath of Christ from Saturday to Sunday, and on what authority was the change made?

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Samuelbb7:

I have no problem with SDAs keeping whateved day they choose (which Paul allows), just with guilt-tripping others for not doing likewise (which Paul forbids).

I believe the choice to esteem the other Sabbaths is up to us.

That doesn't make sense. Paul said not to allow anyone to judge us with respects to holy days OR sabbaths. If "sabbaths" here meant "special holiday sabbaths", there would be no reason to mention it twice - so it can ONLY mean "ordinary sabbaths".

There were laws made against keeping the seventh day Sabbath.

We have no such laws now.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/16


Sabbath of Christ has ALWAYS been on Sundays, since Jesus rose on a Sunday it became our Sabbath.

Read Acts. The Apostles Broke Bread on Sundays. (1st of the week)

Jesus is 1st in our life.

Authority was given to PETER by Jesus to do "Whatever" and it will be bound both on earth and Heaven.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/18/16


Not judging a person how they keep Sabbath does not say don't keep it.

Also note this deals with days that pointed to the first coming not creation as the seventh day Sabbath does.

I believe the choice to esteem the other Sabbaths is up to us.

But the Seventh day Sabbath is part of the Ten commandments.

There were laws made against keeping the seventh day Sabbath. If people were not keeping it why change that those who do are heretics. Which is punishable by death?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/18/16


You seem to dismiss anything that goes against your pre-conceived ideas "apostate," despite evidence to the contrary.

Jerry, this passage is NOT talking about Saturday as a worship day, but as a NON fast day.

When Augustine wrote Ambrose about the strange Roman custom of fasting on Saturday during Lent, Ambrose replied, "We do not normally fast on Saturday, but when I'm in Rome, I fast. When in Rome do as the Romans do."

Keep in mind, this is talking about the LENTEN fast.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/16


Jerry6593:

Cluny wrote: Christians were worshipping on Sunday centuries before Constantine.

You wrote: Only apostate ones.

Was Paul apostate? He wrote in Romans 14:5:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

And also Colossians 2:16:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Because YOU condemn others for worshiping on the wrong day, not allowing them to make up their own mind, but rather judging them, YOU are the apostate one.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/16




cluny: "Christians were worshipping on Sunday centuries before Constantine."

Only apostate ones.

In the fourth century AD "Ambrose, the celebrated Bishop of Milan said that when he was in Milan, he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'" - Dr. Peter Heylyn, History of the Sabbath, London, 1636.



Nurse Robert: Thank you for not judging me in my keeping of the Sabbath. If the Bible enjoined the keeping of Sunday, I would do that. But it does not.



---Jerry6593 on 5/18/16


Jerry6593:

You wrote: Man is made in the likeness of God. So I ask you, do you have legs?

A dollar bill has the likeness of George Washington, yet nobody claims he was an inch high, wafer thin, green, and made of paper and ink. Those are his FORM on the bill, not his SUBSTANCE which even children recognize in any form.

Similarly, our FORM is mortal flesh (like animals), but our SUBSTANCE is in image of God, and God is not mortal flesh.

Why don't you and Brendan address the blog issue rather than bringing up one irrelevant detour after another?

You seem to redirect every other blog into discussion of the Sabbath, so whining when others do that to a Sabbath blog is the pot calling the kettle black.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/16


True. Worshipping on Sunday started before Constantine. But worshipping on Sabbath was still found even after it became against the law to do so.

The Bible never says to worship on the first day of the week. Instead it commands to keep Sabbath.

I cannot ignore the words of God.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/16


To love God and keep his commandments is not legalism.

It's following Jesus.

To throw away the laws of God is to not love God. Read Matthew 5. Romans 3:31
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/16


\\OK. How about Constantine in 321 AD and Eusebius who in 339 AD wrote "All things, whatever it was duty to do on the Sabbath, WE have transferred to the Lord's Day."\\

Christians were worshipping on Sunday centuries before Constantine.

Try again.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/16




Jerry, what is this unhealthy fascination that you have about which day of the week you are called to worship?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/17/16

Monk, I'm not sure why people keep responding to Jerry. He has posted the same question, reworded, a number of times. He won't change his mind and he won't change them minds of those on this site.

He is comfortable in his legalism. Leave him be.
---NurseRobert on 5/17/16


Jerry said, "Who changed the Holy Sabbath Day? OK, I'll tell you. It was some apostate man after the death of the Apostles."

Jerry, what is this unhealthy fascination that you have about which day of the week you are called to worship?

If you feel that it is necessary to worship on Saturday, go ahead. But please give us the same courtesy that we extend to you.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/17/16


cluny: "Please give an actual name or date, if you please."

OK. How about Constantine in 321 AD and Eusebius who in 339 AD wrote "All things, whatever it was duty to do on the Sabbath, WE have transferred to the Lord's Day."

Now can you tell me by what authority these men or any others including your "church fathers" would "think to change [God's] times and laws"? (Dan 7:25)

And please, just once, try not to deflect into a side issue.



---Jerry6593 on 5/17/16


Drop the whole leg discussion.

It does nothing to advance truth about the Sabbath and the ten commandments.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/16/16


\\I'll tell you. It was some apostate man after the death of the Apostles.
\\

Please give an actual name or date, if you please.

Can you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/16


cluny: "Jeery, are you saying that the pre-Incarnate Logos DID have legs?"

You may not have heard, but we speak English here in the US - not Greek.

I know what my Bible says.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Man is made in the likeness of God. So I ask you, do you have legs?

Why don't you and Brendan address the blog issue rather than bringing up one irrelevant detour after another?

Who changed the Holy Sabbath Day? OK, I'll tell you. It was some apostate man after the death of the Apostles.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.



---Jerry6593 on 5/16/16


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\\cluny: "The pre-Incarnate Logos certainly did not."

And just how do you know this? From your priest?\\

Jeery, are you saying that the pre-Incarnate Logos DID have legs?

How do you know He did? From your General Conference SDA, whom EGW says is God's supreme representative on earth?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/16


Well walk can mean that he did what GOD asked and prayed. But the term here is used to spend time together. Enoch was also prophet. GOD talks to prophets. So Cluny why are the other points wrong? Or do you admit that GOD could and probably did teach the people in the time of Genesis.

Kathyr Yes we rest in Jesus. But the Sabbath was set apart as a special day from creation for us to spend time with GOD. It is like when my Mother was alive. I talked to her often. But every Sunday I would visit her and spend time with her.

GOD asks us to spend special time away from work and the things of this world with Him. Should we not do what GOD asks us to do?

Monk Brendan you do that every day.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/16


cluny: "The pre-Incarnate Logos certainly did not."

And just how do you know this? From your priest?



//
\\And why also do you keep judging me for the keeping of the Sabbath day holy?\\

I never have.

Please quote the words where I have done so.//

Hey cluny, that comment was addressed to Brendan. Now do try to keep up.



---Jerry6593 on 5/15/16


\\And why also do you keep judging me for the keeping of the Sabbath day holy?\\

I never have.

Please quote the words where I have done so.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/16


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Jerry said, "And why also do you keep judging me for the keeping of the Sabbath day holy?"

Jerry, for the third time, what is this unhealthy fascination that you have about which day of the week you are called to worship?

If you feel that it is necessary to worship on Saturday, go ahead. But please give us the same courtesy that we extend to you.

Nor have I judged you for going to church on Saturday.

BTW, did you notice that Saturn the planet, and Saturday are both named after the god? I don't judge!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16


\\Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not, for God took him.\\

It doesn't say Enoch TALKED with God, now does it?

\\Are you saying Noah didn't hear from GOD?\\

And where does it say that Noah talked back--or walked?

BTW--How does God walk? Does He have legs like we do? The pre-Incarnate Logos certainly did not.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/16


Brendan: "Jesus is The High Priest! See Hebrews 4:14"

Exactly! So why do you or cluny need a human priest?

And why do you think it "unhealthy" to REMEMBER that which Christ has commanded us to remember?

And why also do you keep judging me for the keeping of the Sabbath day holy?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:

It seems that you've stepped off the nice guy train and hopped aboard the cluny train.


---Jerry6593 on 5/14/16


In the NT the sabbath is not a day, but the person of Jesus Christ. I WILL GIVE YOU REST. To REST in Christ is 24/7/365. It's silly to say we spend one day with Christ out of a week. The New creature spends every moment IN CHRIST AND CHRIST IN THEM. And if we want to set aside a specific day to spend exclusive time, we can pick any day of the week for that.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/16


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Jerry said, "You are so steeped in your churchism that you can't see the superiority of Adam & Eve's worship...Do you think you will need a priest when in the presence of Jesus?"

Jesus is The High Priest! See Hebrews 4:14

And are you are so steeped in your churchism that you can't see the fallacies of your own opinion?

Jerry, what is this unhealthy fascination that you have about which day of the week you are called to worship?

If you feel that it is necessary to worship on Saturday, go ahead. But please give us the same courtesy that we extend to you.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16


Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not, for God took him.

Are you saying Noah didn't hear from GOD?

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

You are saying these Bible verses are false and that GOD could not send messages to humans through angels or Prophets?

We are to walk with GOD everyday. But we are take time away from the world and spend Special time in prayer, fellow ship, study and doing good for others on Sabbath.

On Sabbath we are to be a little more like Monk Brendan. Then people of the world who have no time to spend with Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/13/16


People didn't walk and talk with God after the Fall, Jerry.

Or did they do this only on the Saturday Sabbath?

Or was this on weekdays, too?

Please explain.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/16


cluny: "They didn't have a Bible. They didn't have rabbis, priests, or synagogues."

How idiotic! You are so steeped in your churchism that you can't see the superiority of Adam & Eve's worship. THEY WALKED AND TALKED WITH GOD! That's what heaven will be like. Do you think you will need a priest when in the presence of Jesus?



---Jerry6593 on 5/13/16


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\\When something is sanctified it is set apart for only Holy use. When GOD sanctified the Seventh day that makes it a command.\\

It became a commandment only later, and NOT in Genesis, as you are claiming.

Besides, how would they have worshipped so early?

They didn't have a Bible. They didn't have rabbis, priests, or synagogues.

Prayer to God is not even mentioned until Genesis 18.

They certainly did not have hymns.

So, pray tell, just HOW was the Sabbath kept in Genesis 1-17?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/16


Cluny it was not just in the Periodical mentioned but in many other places they made the same claim.

Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

When something is sanctified it is set apart for only Holy use. When GOD sanctified the Seventh day that makes it a command.

When GOD placed it in the Ten Commandments that set above other rules. It was literally written in stone for the people of GOD.

We don't have the right to tell GOD. What is right or wrong. We are to follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/16


\\The Thomas Christians of Goa, India, for example, were Sabbath Keepers until the Roman inquisitors slaughtered them all.
\\

Wrong, Jerry.

They actually observed BOTH days.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/16


Jerry said, "There were many, many Sunday keepers BEFORE the time of Christ. They were called pagan sun worshipers."

Jerry, what is this unhealthy fascination that you have about which day of the week you are called to worship?

If you feel that it is necessary to worship on Saturday, go ahead. But please give us the same courtesy that we extend to you.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/12/16


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This is historically untrue, Cluny, because there are churches of Apostolic foundation that had NOTHING to do with Rome, such as in India or Persia, that had SABBATH as their main worship day. The Thomas Christians of Goa, India, for example, were Sabbath Keepers until the Roman inquisitors slaughtered them all.

There were many, many Sunday keepers BEFORE the time of Christ. They were called pagan sun worshipers.



---Jerry6593 on 5/12/16


"The Bible says 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church." - T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18, 1884.



---Jerry6593 on 5/12/16


\\ The Sabbath Command is stated in Genesis 2:3. \\

In this verse, it's not a command at all.

||I agree the Roman catholic church lied.

But that was their claim.||

It's the claim of a periodical, not of the Church as such.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/16


Micha9344 We are not told there was any list of the Commandments given. The Sabbath Command is stated in Genesis 2:3. In the Fourth Commandment is was mentioned to Remember it.

Col 2:16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

The passage reads don't judge not don't keep. Also the Sabbath commandment is about remembering creation. Not looking forward like the other Sabbaths did to the first coming of Jesus.

I am often judged for keeping Sabbath by those who quote this verse.

The Ten Commandments apply to Christians.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/16


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I agree the Roman catholic church lied.

But that was their claim.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/16


This is historically untrue, Jerry, because there are churches of Apostolic foundation that had NOTHING to do with Rome, such as in India or Persia, that had SUNDAY as their main worship day.

The Fourth Commandment, as given in the Decalogue, is about REST FROM LABOR, which extended even to one's slaves and farm animals, NOT worship.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/16


"The Catholic Church has for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday. ... The Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is therefore to this day acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church ... without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world." - The Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893

I'm surprised that you Catholics don't know that.
---Jerry6593 on 5/11/16


\\So then Cluny both Saturday and Sunday are for divine liturgy.\\

Ideally, yes, though only larger (or more fervent) parishes, as well as Cathedrals and monasteries generally do.

We know NOTHING of the Latin equivalent of low mass--that is, merely reciting our services.

They are either sung throughout with incense--or you don't go them at all.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 5/10/16


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So then Cluny both Saturday and Sunday are for divine liturgy. I stated that for a long time both days were celebrated and now you say in your church that is still true.

Also I have quoted many sources that point out you have misquoted the verse.

Leviticus 23:1-3
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

What am I quoting wrong? The next verse goes to the next Holy Convocation of Passover.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/10/16


/They did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we.\-Eusebius Church (Ecclesiastical) History Book 1
-"They" refers to the righteous from Adam to Abraham.
-There is no command for Christians to observe a certain day.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
-This verse was the topic of Samuel's quote, but it must be read in context.
-No command given, even from Constantine, who was quoted.
---micha9344 on 5/10/16


\\ your statement about Leviticus 23:3 is in error. \\

Even though I quoted simply what the passage said in context?

\\the world celebrated the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week. Ecclesiastical History book 5 page 289.\\

Are you talking about Eusebius's history?

"The Sacred Mysteries" refers to the Eucharist.

But he doesn't mean this was INSTEAD of Sunday.

Saturday is ALWAYS a day for the Divine Liturgy for the Orthodox.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/16


I understand you are not changing your mind. But I have presented evidence from many sources that your statement about Leviticus 23:3 is in error. I have presented and listed sources that say Sabbath was kept well into the fifth century. In fact one source was upset about people teaching to keep the Sabbath.

the world celebrated the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week. Ecclesiastical History book 5 page 289.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/10/16


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\\Cluny Read From Sabbath to Sunday: A Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity (Biblical Perspectives, No 1)
by Samuele Bacchiocchi for the most exact information.\\

I've read it about 30 years ago.

I do not vary from what I said earlier on this matter..

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/16


I misread the question the first time.
The Sabbath, Hebrew for "rest", of Christ is not on Saturday.
It is the day one repents and turns to God through Christ.
That is the day one rests in Christ.
Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Heb 4:7-11...To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
---micha9344 on 5/9/16


This means that Monday the 15th of October (the day the Pope set for the change) became Thursday October 25, throwing the calculation of the Sabbath out of joint.
Dementio

Someone lied to you. Monday the 15 was followed by Tuesday the 25. They removed no days of the week. Also ask any Jew and consult any encyclopedia. They will inform you the order of days of the week have not changed.

Cluny Read From Sabbath to Sunday: A Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity (Biblical Perspectives, No 1)
by Samuele Bacchiocchi for the most exact information.

Also check Sabbath in Christianity on Wikipedia.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/16


Someone named Jerry proceeded to lambast Cluny (sp?) for lying.

First of all, I thought that the replies were supposed to be Christ-like.

Second, as an old Calendarist Evangelical, I have to point out that in the year 1582, Gregory XIII uncanonically changed the Julian calendar--scrapping the schedule of leap years so that (at that year) there were 10 days snipped out of the calendar.

This means that Monday the 15th of October (the day the Pope set for the change) became Thursday October 25, throwing the calculation of the Sabbath out of joint.
---Dementio on 5/9/16


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\\ They are instead part of Moses' handwriting of sacrificial ordinances, written on parchment, placed beside the Ark \\

These words seem to mean that whatever else was placed in the Ark besides the Decalogue was Moses' own idea.

If they were NOT his ideas, then who thought them up?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/16


Brendan: Thank you for showing my EXACT words. If you will notice, the words "Moses's own idea" do not appear in my post as cluny asserts - thus he LIED. The Bible clearly shows that Moses wrote the ordinances, but I believe that he was inspired by God - that is, they were NOT his own ideas.

Then cluny goes on to assert that "You claim there's no evidence for early Christians worshiping on Sunday". Again, my exact words were that there were no Apostles that were Sunday worshipers. Hate-filled cluny doesn't seem to care about truth. I hope that you will be more careful in your own assertions.



---Jerry6593 on 5/9/16


\\But there is also evidence that Christians were still worshiping on Sabbath in many places.
\\

Where?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/16


It true that by the third century there were Christians worshiping on Sunday. But there is also evidence that Christians were still worshiping on Sabbath in many places.

In fact the prepordance of evidence is that for a period of time both were days of worship.

But as antisemitism, hatred of Jews increased not only in Rome but in the church. This includes some early church fathers. The Sabbath was considered a Jewish tradition and to be discarded.

All the Moral laws of the Old Testament should be still followed. For instance: Leveticus 19:13


Leveticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/16


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\\ So why not believe Christ and the Apostles rather than the apostate Ignatius?\\

Jerry, you are one piece of work--self made.

You claim there's no evidence for early Christians worshipping on Sunday, but when it's given you dismiss it as apostate.

St. Ignatius knew and loved Jesus from his childhood so much that after his martyrdom, the name ICOYC XPICTOC was found in letters of gold on his heart.

Have you died for Christ's sake?

Until you do, you're in no position to judge him.

In the mean time, repent!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/16


Jerry said, "Yet another cluny lie! Show my exact words where I said that or apologize!"

Jerry, on the Sabbath Kept Holy blog on 2/16/16 you said, "Those are not part of God's handwritten Commandments written on tables of stone and placed inside the Ark of the Covenant. They are instead part of Moses' handwriting of sacrificial ordinances, written on parchment, placed beside the Ark and subsequently nailed to the cross."

So Jerry, it is time for YOU to apologize! You can't have it both ways.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/8/16


cluny: "according to Jerry, anything that is not in the Decalogue is simply Moses's own idea. He has said this frequently."

Yet another cluny lie! Show my exact words where I said that or apologize!



---Jerry6593 on 5/8/16


Leviticus 23 is a list of different convocations and Sabbaths starting with the Seventh day Sabbath.

See The Zondervan Pictorial bible Dictionary on seventh day Sabbath use verse 3. Matthew Henry One Volume Commentary Leviticus 23:1-3

See Jamieson, Fausset & Brown :: Commentary on Leviticus 23:3

Easton's Bible dictionary. Leviticus 23,3 Sabbath.

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia Sabbath.

Do you have a source that agrees with your position?

I can find none.
Thank you John Belatedly. GOD be with you and all those here.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/16


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I understand how people feel about changing the day of worship to Sunday from Saturday.

Several hundred years ago, my Greek ancestors were told by the Pope (Gregory XIII) that the calendar that we have lived by for all the time from Jesus was wrong, and we had to correct it by changing to a new calendar, and by chopping ten days out of the calendar for that year.

My ancestors told the Pope what to do with his idea. Unhappily, quite a few of the Protestant Churches have followed the Pope into Heresy.

Anyway, I go to a large Evangelical Church in Chicago, where I was born again, filled with the Holy Spirit.

I am grieved that the Pope took control of the Catholic Church, and tried to do the same with the Orthodox Church
---Dementio on 5/7/16


Samuel, I've said before that if you read the verse you gave in context, it is clearly not talking about the weekly sabbath, but the Sabbath that fell in the week of the "feasts of the Lord".

A text without a context is a pretext.

Besides, according to Jerry, anything that is not in the Decalogue is simply Moses's own idea. He has said this frequently.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/16


//Trust documents closer to the event rather than a false prophet(ess) centuries (18) removed.
---micha9344 on 5/6/16//

Right! So why not believe Christ and the Apostles rather than the apostate Ignatius? Can you show from Scripture where the sanctity of the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday? I can't find it.



Leon: I see that once again you take the high road. Happy Sabbath!



---Jerry6593 on 5/7/16


Since it's Friday evening, Shabbat Shalom to all you observant folk.
---john1944 on 5/6/16


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Cluny I asked you what it meant to show that you must understand what the passage is saying.

I means to consecrate, prepare, dedicate, to be hallowed, be holy, and be separate. A day dedicated to GOD. So what activity would be good on a day dedicated to GOD?

Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

The word convocation is a sacred assembly to worship. Since Jesus attended worship services on Sabbath. Don't you think he knew what it was for?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/6/16


\\Cluny was does sanctified mean?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/6/16\\

It doesn't mean "worship," if that's what you're asking.

You know how to use a dictionary. Look it up for yourself.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/16


Seventh Day Baptist : ~1650 AD
Ignatius : before 108 AD
/If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day...\
/And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day...\
The Lord's Day has been known from the 1st century as Sunday. The Sabbath was not and is not a commandment for Christians.
If a 19th century false prophetess re-emphasizes a false 17th century doctrine, it is still false.
Trust documents closer to the event rather than a false prophet(ess) centuries (18) removed.
---micha9344 on 5/6/16


Cluny was does sanctified mean?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/6/16


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\\there is no biblical or historical evidence that Sunday was observed by any of the Apostles.\\

I'm not too sure just what you mean by "Sunday was observed." Are you?

As I have said, there is ample historical evidence for Christians meeting on Sunday at 0 dark 30 to celebrate the Eucharist, and then go about the rest of their usual activities.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/16


All I see here are rationalizations, speculations and denominational talking points - NO BIBLE TEXTS. [blah, blah blah, blah blah...]---Jerry6593 on 5/6/16

All I see here are "YOUR" rationalizations, speculations and denominational talking points Jeery - NO BIBLE TEXTS.
---Leon on 5/6/16


This is what Genesis 2:3 actually says:

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." KJV

NOTHING here about worship, much less a command to do so.

I've come to expect better of you, Samuel.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/16


All I see here are rationalizations, speculations and denominational talking points - NO BIBLE TEXTS. The false assertion that Sunday is the Lord's Day because of the Resurrection is refuted by the Bible directive to memorialize the Resurrection by baptism - not Sunday observance.

It is Ironic that the writings of Paul are used to justify the keeping of Sunday rather than Christ's Seventh-day Sabbath when Paul himself was a lifelong Sabbath keeper. Indeed, there is no biblical or historical evidence that Sunday was observed by any of the Apostles. This apostasy occurred after the death of the Apostles.


---Jerry6593 on 5/6/16


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God did. OT worship = rules & blood offerings. NT worship = Spirit & Truth.

Col 2:16

(ERV) So don't let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days).

(ISV) Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a New Moon, or Sabbath days.

(JUB) Let no one therefore judge you in food or in drink or in respect of a feast day or of the new moon or of the sabbath days,

(KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
---aservant on 5/5/16


In Eden the Seventh day Sabbath was set aside as a day of worship. Genesis 2:3.

In Exodus 20:8-11 GOD Says to remember the day He set aside.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Jesus went to worship services on Sabbath. Luke 4:16. The word Sabbath occurs 60 times in 55 verses in the New Testament. First day from Sabbath or Sunday occurs 8. For Centuries the Roman Catholic church proclaimed that as the only true church they changed the day.

So are you saying that the RCC has been lying for centuries?

Seventh day Baptists brought the news of the Sabbath to Adventists.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/16


In Russian, Sunday is called VOSKRESENYE, or Resurrection.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/16


The Sabbath, instituted in the Exodus before coming to the mountain of God, has never been changed.
What we now call Saturday is equivalent to the seventh day, on which Israel observes the Sabbath, a day of rest.
No fires are to be kindled that day.
The first day of the week, what we now call Sunday, is when first century Christians assembled to honor the Lord's Day, the day of the week Christ rose from the dead.
This is also why many countries throughout the world call Sunday, the Lord's Day.
Spanish: Domingo
Italian: Domenica
Greek: Kyriaki
Romanian: Duminica
Rev 1:10 Greek: Kyriake hemera
Rev 1:10 Vulgate: dominica die
Trust documents closer to the event rather than a false prophet(ess) centuries (18) removed.
---micha9344 on 5/5/16


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Israel's Sabbath days haven't changed. Problem is people trying to follow Israel's Law.
One thing is certain. We owe God every day of our lives not just two days a year or one day a week.
2Cor 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
By Gods grace we learn that we are not under commandment to observe holy days or sabbath days to honor God (Col 2:16-17). We have peace with God through the death of Jesus Christ.
The Sabbaths given to Israel were a shadow of their coming Messiah and kingdom rest. Since we do not wait for a kingdom but are now members of the body of Christ we are told to redeem the time (Eph 5:16).
---michael_e on 5/5/16


Worship was never commanded on the weekly Sabbath in the OT.

There were twice daily services in the Tabernacle and Temple. There are still twice daily services in traditional and many Conservative synagogues.

The first few generations of Christians would gather in the wee morning hours of Sunday to celebrate the Eucharist, and afterwards go on about their daily activities, according to contemporary descriptions.

Any claim that the Pope (which one is never named) changed it is simply historically untrue.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/16


No one changed the original Sabbath. The Jewish Sabbath has always been & yet is on Saturday. Sunday is the day Christians celebrate as "The Lord's Day" due to the fact that Jesus Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday.
---Leon on 5/5/16


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