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The Harlot In Revelations

There are 80 cities in the world built on 7 hills. Which is supposed to be Babylon?

Note: Rome was built on 10 hills, and Jerusalem, Mecca, and Babylon were built on 7

Please discuss

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///...The RCC officially teaches not to worship Mary. [We're] allowed to venerate her...[we're allowed to ask for her intercession...---Monk_Brendan on 5/21/16///

The RCC erroneously "venerates" Mary as the Mother of God by praying for her to intercede, to Jesus, on their behalf. The Bible doesn't teach believers to talk to departed souls of people who lived on earth. Mary is one such person. We're to pray directly to God.

Believers are taught to intercede (pray) for one another as we live on earth. But, praying for departed souls in purgatory isn't taught in Judeo-Christianity. Worshiping anything or "anyone" other than God is idolatry. Idolatry is harlotry.
---Leon on 5/27/16


///...Other groups, such as Encratites, Modalists, Quatrodecimians, and Gnostics pretty much died out...---Cluny on 5/25/16///

Modalist deny the Trinity. Oneness Pentecostals are modalist.
---Leon on 5/26/16


\That the Orthodox and RCC ended up on one side and some smaller Apostolic denominations branched off. Could you watch them and give me your viewpoint.... \\

I have trouble watching videos on my computer.

NOBODY is a Nestorian (Assyrian Church of the East) or Monophysite (Copts, Armenians, West Syriacs, Ethiopians, and a few others) in the senses condemned by the Third and Fourth Ecumenical councils--if they ever were.

However, these condemned Christologies appear in fringe Protestantism.

Other groups, such as Encratites, Modalists, Quatrodecimians, and Gnostics pretty much died out.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


Cluny is correct Rob. He has helped me see some of the differences and has lead me to research some more.

Cluny I have been watching a youtube video on Extra History about early church schisms. It has been fascinating.

One recent one spoke of an earlier split in the church before the Great Schism. That the Orthodox and RCC ended up on one side and some smaller Apostolic denominations branched off. Could you watch them and give me your viewpoint. I am going to have re watch a couple of them. They pack a lot of info in 10 minutes.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/24/16


\\Samuelbb7 the only differences between the Orthodox and Roman Catholics, the Orthodox don't have a Pope or Worship or pray to the Virgin Mary. If there are any other differences, I am eager to learn what they are.
\\

Rob, I don't know where you got the idea that Orthodox don't venerate the Lord's Holy Mother.

As far as the differences between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy, books have been written on this subject. It can't be treated in just 125 words.

Khomiakov, the Orthodox theologian found so many similarities between RC and Protestants he said, "All protestants are crypto-papists."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/16




Monk, Babylon is no doubt modern Iraq, in that region, and MYSTERY BABYLON which Rev 19 is about something and someplace totally different.

Also Monk, scripture teaches the Apostles did not trample on each other's territory. Paul went to Rome, and was an apostle to the Gentiles, and Peter was around Jerusalem as who territory was the Middle East, where his letters are addressed to the dispersed tribes of Israel. Pentecost also took place in Jerusalem, where all the dispersed came each year. There was no reason or any proof Peter was ever in Rome.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/16


Wow 'Axe! I must have lead in my diet too. I just got your little "tongue n cheek" joke about "flint" (Flint, MI). Ironically, the more things in the world change the more they stay the same. It's a helluva situation when people are callously LED to do evil at the peril of others.
---Leon on 5/23/16


Kathr said, " Monk, there's Babylon, and MYSTERY BABYLON, two different Babylons. 1Peter 5:13 is not Rome...Peter was never in Rome. Paul was. And no evidence Peter ever visited Paul in Rome or in prison in Rome."

So why not point the finger at Babylon, which lays in modern Iraq, and was built upon seven hills?

BTW, there is historical proof the Peter did go to Rome. You have to dig for it, but it is there. However, you must look to non-biased reports.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/16


What's your source 'Axe?

"Roman aristocrats...lived oblivious to the human wreckage on which their ruinous diet of lead depended. They would never dream of drinking wine except from a golden cup, but they thought nothing of washing down platters of lead-seasoned food with gallons of lead-adulterated wine." (Source: EPA Journal, May 1985)
---Leon on 5/22/16


Leon:

You wrote: If you can't poison the emperor's food, when in Rome, serve it on lead poisoned plates, etc. Hmmm! :)

Nero ate from plates made from flint... ,)
---StrongAxe on 5/22/16




Rob you don't know much about the SDA, Lds and Jw.

Seventh day Adventist are Trinitarians. The others aren't.

SDA believe we must be Born again and saved by Grace alone.

Jw say the 144,000 are born again the rest work their way in. The Lds say they were born again on earth after being born to GOD and his wives in heaven and must work their way into being gods.

SDA teach Scripture is the final authority in all matters [sola scriptura]. LDS teach all their prophets from Smith to today are the final authority. JW teach the Watchtower leaders are the final authority.

We are Protestants and look to church history to see how we got here.

In Kingdom of the Cults we are listed as a Christian church.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/16


Monk, there's Babylon, and MYSTERY BABYLON, two different Babylons. 1Peter 5:13 is not Rome. When the apostles speak of Rome, they say ROME. So ROME in scripture is not referred to as Babylon as some have injected in 1Peter 5:13. Peter was never in Rome. Paul was. And no evidence Peter ever visited Paul in Rome or in prison in Rome.

MYSTERY BABYLON ....one should go back to the Tower of Babel and what it represented. Man trying to reach up to heaven by their own devices . This not only represents the RCC, but all false religions, who will in the end come together under the power of the beast, where many will think he is God. We already see this coming together. ....one is the Christian coalition. The WORLD church, etc.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/16


Kathr said, " Maybe there are two Babylons in Revelation, Mystery Babylon and Babylon. Now in Rev 18, there is a warning....God said, come out from among her and be not judged with her. So here Mystery Babylon cannot be a physical place, but a system. Some say MB is America, yet how can you come out from among America...just as an example."

Two Babylons? Where is that found in Scripture? BCV

I would agree that NYC could be considered Babylon, but that is giving too much importance to America.

And if God is calling us out of America, we leave.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/21/16


Rob said, "...the only differences between the Orthodox and Roman Catholics, the Orthodox don't have a Pope or Worship or pray to the Virgin Mary. If there are any other differences, I am eager to learn what they are."

Rob, Let me set you straight. The RCC officially teaches not to worship Mary. We are allowed to venerate her, as a great example of a true Christian. And we are allowed to ask for her intercession.

But the Orthodox do have a Pope. He is the Patriarch of Alexandria, and Pope has been one of his titles since Pope Heraclas of Alexandria, the 13th Alexandrine Bishop (227 to 248), was the first to associate "Pope" with the title of the Bishop of Alexandria.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/21/16


Samuelbb7 the only differences between the Orthodox and Roman Catholics, the Orthodox don't have a Pope or Worship or pray to the Virgin Mary. If there are any other differences, I am eager to learn what they are.

The only real differences I see between the Jehovah Witness, Mormons, and SDA, are their founders.
---Rob on 5/21/16


Many Roman emperors were dangerously insane people. Nero, who thought he was a god, killed two wives & his mother, & sent many Christians to their deaths. They were slaughtered by the beasts in the Colosseum in Rome. Ultimately, Nero committed suicide.

Roman Emperor Nero, like the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar, had a god-complex. "God" set Nebbie straight. Nero wasn't so fortunate.

It's alleged Nero's madness was due to lead poisoning via his eating utensils (plates, goblets, etc.). Many ancient rulers feared being food poisoned. However, many were murdered in cleaver & ingenious ways. If you can't poison the emperor's food, when in Rome, serve it on lead poisoned plates, etc. Hmmm! :)
---Leon on 5/20/16


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Jerry please quit making the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics the same. There are important differences.

We should respect these and the people we are talking too.

If we want to get respect we need to show it.

Our Savior spoke to even his enemies in love. Cluny and the others here are not our enemies.

Let us emulate our loving Lord.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/20/16


Jerry, can you quote BCV from the Bible that proves when Peter said "Babylon," he really meant "Rome"?

I shall await with interest.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/16


\\Peter calls Rome Babylon. Why don't you Catholics/Orthodox agree with your "first pope"?


---Jerry6593 on 5/20/16\\

There was a large Jewish community in the area of Babylon--so large that the main recension of the Talmud is called the BABYLONIAN Talmud.

Of course, it's impossible that Peter ever went to Babylon, right?

Maybe he was just calling Babylon "Babylon."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/16


///Peter calls Rome Babylon. Why don't you Catholics/Orthodox agree with your "first pope"?---Jerry6593 on 5/20/16///

Yes, the "Apostle"( not pope) Peter was probably referring (code name) to Nero's Rome (1 Pt. 5:13) See Revelation 17.
---Leon on 5/20/16


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/Peter calls Rome Babylon.\-Jerry6593 on 5/20/16
This is an interesting statement.
Let's see if Jerry can support this claim.
Every day that a person makes false accusations is a day their integrity and trustworthiness decreases.
1Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
---micha9344 on 5/20/16


Peter calls Rome Babylon. Why don't you Catholics/Orthodox agree with your "first pope"?


---Jerry6593 on 5/20/16


Strongaxe, I believe the cities of all nations will fall. We are told that when the seventh angel pours out the last plague that "the great city was divided into three parts and the cities of the nations fell". Rev. 16:17-21. All nations will mourn.

The rebuilding of the world will begin with the holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven. Rev. 21. God will make all things new. No one written in the book of life will ever mourn again. God will wipe away all tears.
---barb on 5/19/16


Maybe there are two Babylons in Revelation, Mystery Babylon and Babylon. Now in Rev 18, there is a warning....God said, come out from among her and be not judged with her. So here Mystery Babylon cannot be a physical place, but a system. Some say MB is America, yet how can you come out from among America...just as an example.

We are instructed to come out from the world, and this world system.

Once upon a time there was a one world church that reigned over Kings. I believe we are going back in that direction, where eventually it will be that which reveals the beast.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/16


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barb:

You wrote: the woman is the world power. "And the woman that you saw is that great city that Reigns over the Kings of the Earth." Who is ruling over the kings of the earth?

Think about how many nations are ruled by Rome (Italy, or Catholic nations), and would mourn if Rome were destroyed. Or if Jerusalem were destroyed. Or if Mecca were destroyed. Or if the archaeological ruins of Babylon in Iraq were destroyed. This might be a hint.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/16


The Seven Hills of Rome...east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the city.

The seven hills are:
Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus, Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Clius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

The Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus) lying northwest of the Tiber, the Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius), lying to the north, & the Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum), lying to the west, [aren't] counted among the traditional Seven Hills. (Wikipedia) ~ Leon, 5/13/16

Capisce Cluny?!
---Leon on 5/17/16


///The Harlot In Revelations [?!] There are 80 cities in the world built on 7 hills. Which is supposed to be Babylon? Note: Rome was built on 10 hills, and Jerusalem, Mecca, and Babylon were built on 7
Please discuss///

Seems like Monk wanted to discuss one thing, but the moderator's title turned this blog into something else. smh
---Leon on 5/17/16


Kathr, the woman is the world power. "And the woman that you saw is that great city that Reigns over the Kings of the Earth." Who is ruling over the kings of the earth? "The waters that you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues".

So who is the beast that the woman is riding? Rev. 9:1-11, Rev. 17:8 and Rev. 20:1-3.
---barb on 5/17/16


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Yes, Rome was built on 10 hills, Leon.

Monk Brendan even gave their names.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/16


Rome wasn't built on 10 hills Monk. So, what's the point you're trying to make? Please discuss.
---Leon on 5/17/16


Kathr said, "Anyone can cherry pick verses to say what they want it to say."

Like you do?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/17/16


Barb, it appears you don't understand types and shadows, or foreshadowing. While there are some here so focused on literal hills literal heads sit upon, one forgets to read ALL of Rev 17, where the focus is on who the Woman is sitting upon....the beast. The beast is not mounds of dirt. The woman represents Apostacy. The beast represents world power. And Neb is a foreshadowing of the beast AKA the anti-Christ.
---kathr4453 on 5/17/16


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Kathr, you need to read Daniel 3 right thru to the end. Why would Jesus warn His disciples to flee from an image that had been set up about 500 years prior?

The statue in Revelation 13:11-18 is not Nebuchadnezzar'a abomination but is the same one Daniel is told about in Dan. 12 and Daniel is told he will be in the grave at that time. The image to the beast that is still to come will speak and give orders to the people of the world and perform miracles that will deceive even the very elect if it were possible. This image will stand in the holy place. Is the holy place the Vatican? Matt 24:15.
---barb on 5/16/16


I find it very interesting that people relate the 7 heads to powers all the while proclaiming Rome because it sits on seven hills.
The Bible clearly proclaims these heads to be hills, not powers.
The Pharisees had their prophecies confused also.
They thought the Christ would take His earthly reign when He came the first time.
Please don't confuse the prophecies.
---micha9344 on 5/16/16


Rev 17:9 (NIV)This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
-Others should just read the Bible and gain wisdom.
---micha9344 on 5/15/16

Yes and to understand one must read Daniel. Right there in Daniel 2:38, but first start at 2:26 and read through 49. Neb is called the "head" of gold. We also KNOW reading the Bible, that Jesus Matthew 24 , when warning Israel to flee, it concerning the time spoken of in Daniel the Abomination of Desolation. The very prophecy concerning Rev 17 -18.

Exactly what did Neb do that Angered God, sending him 7 years living like an animal? Hint!!!!! Daniel 3 you will find the answer. This is Gentile world power.
---kathr4453 on 5/16/16


C'mon Brendan, you Catholics love to boast about this guy and where he "rules".

Just figure out where Peter was when he wrote:

1Pe 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, and so doth Marcus my son.

That's right, ROME!


---Jerry6593 on 5/16/16


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The 7 HEADS are 7 mountains on which the woman sitteth, meaning ruling over it doesn't say literally built on 7 hills. The reason some versions say hills, is because it wants to change the meaning. Now the 10 horns may be symbolic of hills, ( ha ha) because they have no kingdom yet, but MOUNTAIN in scripture is symbolic as well as literal.

What does Strongs say ....is it a different word than all other scripture saying mountains?

The mountains are KINGDOMS, with HEADS of those Kingdoms being KINGS of those KINGDOMS. REV 17: 2 clearly say with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication with.
---kathr453 on 5/16/16


/Anyone can cherry pick verses to say what they want it to say.\-kathr4453 on 5/15/16
Then I suggest those who desire the truth, read the posted verses in their context.
/What verse says Mystery Babylon is BUILT ON 7 HILLS? This question is not even based on anything In Scripture to begin with.\-kathr4453 on 5/14/16
Rev 17:9 (NIV)This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.
-Others should just read the Bible and gain wisdom.
---micha9344 on 5/15/16


Interestingly Kathr, the Bible quite often shows God always has a "mountain plan" (a way up & out of harms way) for His people.

Sam: Technically, three of those 10 hills are outside the city perimeter of Rome. Historically, Rome was originally built upon 7 hills.

Monk: You said, Rome was built on 10 hills. That's not true. Sure, during the time Jesus lived on earth, Rome was an empire that covered vast regions of lands that obviously encompassed those 3 hills you mentioned. Nonetheless, Rome wasn't built on 10 hills. So, what is the point you're trying to make? Please discuss!
---Leon on 5/15/16


Kathr, there will be both Jew and Gentile (from all Nations see Rev. 7:9-17) inside the camp occupied by the Saints when the deceivers attack. Rev. 20:7-10. There will also be both Jew and Gentile outside the camp.

There is only one Way into the camp/kingdom and we both know who that is. Both Jew and Gentile will have to enter into the kingdom thru the same door to be united together with and in God. Those who refuse the Way to the Truth that leads to eternal life and try to enter in another way will be cast out.
---barb on 5/15/16


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Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem, Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Here is a warning to all those who hold to Micha's false doctrine. And believe me, many do. WHY? Because of false doctrine they have been taught about Israel, and Jews. It's anitsemitic to the core.

Matt 24 Jesus WARNS the Jews to flee to the mountains when they see what was foretold in Daniel. We see in Rev 12:6. Now we KNOW this is not instructed to the CHURCH.

Micha's doctrine is misleading souls to face God's wrath.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/16


Rome called itself the city of Seven hills. It is a name often used in history for it. Even though technically it has 10.

Now this is roundabout. But what do you understand about Daniel 2:38-42 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. and after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise...
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/16


REv 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Sorry Micha, but Jerusalem / Judah does not reign over any kings, and in this dispensation WILL NEVER reign over the Kings of the earth, And even now has no interest in reigning over any kings of the earth. And in the OT never reigned over any Kings of the earth.

One day Jesus Will reign over all the Kings of the earth. Zechariah 14.

Now put on your thinking cap ans ask...WHO has/had this ambition to rule over the kings of the earth....was it not the RCC at one time? And who says if RCC join up with Islam it won't happen again?

Anyone can cherry pick verses to say what they want it to say.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/16


Monk: Would you mind explaining why you said Rome was built on 10 hills?
---Leon on 5/14/16


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Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One, of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias...
Jer 3:8 ...yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Isa 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot!...
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
-Jerusalem of Judah.
---micha9344 on 5/14/16


Kathr said, "...lets correct Monks first. MOUNTAINS is not spelled h-i-l-l-s. It's spelled m-o-u-n-t-a-i-n-s. The seven HEADS are not cities or countries surrounding either Rome or Jerusalem in the first place."

Thank you for the spelling lesson. However, in the various translations of the Bible I have access to, about half of them use h-i-l-l-s. The other half use mountains
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16


David said, "Besides the seven hills mentioned in Revelation, are there not seven kings?"

Yes, there are, but I was not trying to find an image for Babylon. I was trying to get an explanation of why, with 80 cities to work with, Rome (and the RCC thereby) gets pointed at all the time.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/14/16


///Leon, Monk Brendan specifically said Rome, NEW YORK. Or did you notice? Of course, sometimes postings cross in the cyberether. [???, whatever that means!!!]...---Cluny on 5/13/16///

Yes, I noticed Cluny & wondered what was the point of his & your condescending, snarky attempt to undermine "us" (5/13). I also noticed Monk "specifically" said Rome was built on 10 hills & that's not true. Was that some sort of slight of hand (misdirection) attempt to avert attention away from Rome, Italy as possibly being the Babylon mentioned in the book of Revelation?
---Leon on 5/14/16


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Leon, Monk Brendan specifically said Rome, NEW YORK.

Or did you notice?

Of course, sometimes postings cross in the cyberether.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/16


Monk Brendan
Besides the seven hills mentioned in Revelation, are there not seven kings?

Isn't it logical to assume the Christ, chosen by the Jews, will come from one of these seven kings? Now if you can identify these kings, wouldn't that help guide you to your answer?

Now do you understand why I asked my original question?
If so, I will continue to help you find these kings, for it can be a fascinating topic. If not, I'll leave you to continue your discussion.
---David on 5/14/16


Seems easy enough to determine. Just figure out where Peter was when he wrote:

1Pe 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, and so doth Marcus my son.



---Jerry6593 on 5/14/16


I'm still not sure what "hills" has to do with anything. The last verse even mentioning a hill is acts 17:22 when Paul stood on Mars Hill.

What verse says Mystery Babylon is BUILT ON 7 HILLS? This question is not even based on anything In Scripture to begin with.

My neighborhood has several hills. There is one in my back yard.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/16


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Rome, Georgia ~ Rome, Illinois ~ Rome City, Indiana ~ Rome, Iowa ~ Rome, Maine ~ Rome, Maryland ~ Rome Township, Michigan ~ Rome Township, Minnesota ~ Rome, New York ~ Rome, Ohio ~ Rome, Oregon ~ Rome, Pennsylvania ~ Rome Township, Pennsylvania ~ Rome, Wisconsin.

How many hills Monk?
---Leon on 5/13/16


Wait!!!

I forgot to mention that Rome NY is built on 7 hills. Is that the Rome you are all talking about?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16


The Seven Hills of Rome...east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the city.

The seven hills are:
Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus, Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Clius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

The Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus) lying northwest of the Tiber, the Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius), lying to the north, and the Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum), lying to the west, are not counted among the traditional Seven Hills. (Wikipedia)
---Leon on 5/13/16


Here are nine of the 10 hills, Leon.

Janiculum
Aventine
Celinine
Palatine (whence Palace)
Capitoline
Quirinal
Viminal
Esquiline
Vatican

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/16


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Leon asked (civilly, so I'll answer him)"Please name those 10 hills Monk. Thank you."

Aventine Hill
Caelian Hill
Capitoline Hill
Esquiline Hill
Palatine Hill
Quirinal Hill
Viminal Hill
(The traditional 7 hills)
Vatican Hill
Pincian Hill
Janiculum Hill

Back before Jesus, the last three were outside of the old walls of the city of Rome

But when John was writing Revelation, all ten hills were part of Rome.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16


David responded, First of all, Brendan, The Catholic Church is not involved. Secondly, you see yourself as teacher, and me as ignorant.

I had hoped you would see the significance of my question, but you choose to see me as your enemy. So I will leave you."


I am not a teacher, nor do I consider you ignorant. I try to be nice to everybody on these blogs. If they ask a civil question, I will answer them, as I answered you.

However,the subject of this blog is trying to decide which of the 80 cities built on 7 hills is the prophesied Babylon. I didn't mention anything about the RCC
---Monk_Brendan on 5/13/16


Kathr, "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent who is the devil and satan, the Deceiver of the Whole World. He was thrown down to the earth and his angels were thrown down with him". Rev 12:9. Satan has deceived the whole world which would include you and I. He manipulates the whole world from his seat, not just the place where his seat is located.

Jesus took the kingdom away from Israel and left it to a people willing to pick up and carry the torch by becoming righteous and holy, completing His Father's plan for restoration. When Jesus returns it will be to harvest the seed that He planted and to destroy the seeds of Satan. Matt 13.
---barb on 5/13/16


First of all, David, how does this pertain to the blog topic?
---Monk_Brendan


First of all, Brendan, The Catholic Church is not involved.
Secondly, you see yourself as teacher, and me as ignorant.

I had hoped you would see the significance of my question, but you choose to see me as your enemy. So I will leave you.
---David on 5/13/16


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Monk and Barb, I suggest you both read Isaiah 14, which is the prophecy we see in Revelation 17-18. Also Zechariah 14 . John did not prophecy something that was not already prophesied. God is saying it is STILL ON SCHEDULE TO TAKE PLACE. And the Kingdom to be restored to Israel only the Father knows that time. Matthew 24-25, Acts 1:1-11.

Prophecy will take place regardless of what man does or doesn't. We cannot change the outcome. Example Barb, just because Israel was disobedient and scattered, in NO WAY forfeited the Promise of the Messiah through Israel. And Israel's disobedience in no way has forfeited Gods promise to them in the end.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/16


When reading Isaiah 14, we see the fall of Lucifer in relation to the fall of Babylon. we know this has not taken place yet, because verse 7 says " and the whole earth was at REST. The whole earth has never been at rest, and will not be until Jesus comes and reigns and rules for 1000 years.

Babylon represents where Satan sits, as we see now in Rev 2, and all that Satan has control over until he is once and for all defeated and bound for 1000 years, and ultimately thrown into the lake of fire.
---kathr453 on 5/13/16


///...Note: Rome was built on 10 hills, and Jerusalem, Mecca, and Babylon were built on 7...---Monk_Brendan on 5/10/16///

Please name those 10 hills Monk. Thank you.
---Leon on 5/12/16


Kathr said, "Until the Kingdom of this world is "become" the Kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, ..... Remember Satan offered it all to Christ in the testing of the wilderness if Jesus would just bow down and worship Satan. Jesus knew one day it would all be His and declined."

You are just trying to shift the focus to the Catholic Church, so you can attack them again.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/12/16


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David said, " Since the Jews rejected Jesus Christ, aren't they waiting for their Christ?"

First of all, David, how does this pertain to the blog topic?

Secondly, yes, the Jews are waiting for their Messiah (Anointed One)
---Monk_Brendan on 5/12/16


John1944, "And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places where I have driven them, saith the Lord of hosts." Jeremiah 8.
---barb on 5/12/16


Since the Jews rejected Jesus Christ, aren't they waiting for their Christ?
---David on 5/12/16


I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: ///

Mystery Babylon is where Satan sits.

Until the Kingdom of this world is "become" the Kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, ..... Remember Satan offered it all to Christ in the testing of the wilderness if Jesus would just bow down and worship Satan. Jesus knew one day it would all be His and declined.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/16


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Thank you Leon for reading further. We see this Rev 18 also parallels TYRE, a Gentile city seaport where merchants were also made rich that was destroyed. WHY....

To really understand Revelation, one MUST know OT. That is where WISDOM will come in. Not human wisdom, but the wisdom that comes through Jesus Christ and the WORD OF GOD.

Rev 12 is the rebirth of Israel, and one must understand Joseph's dream in Genesis and the "prophecy " in Genesis 49 having to do with the LAST DAYS to have GODLY WISDOM to understand.
---kathr453 on 5/11/16


"...And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all [the merchants] that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness [magnificence]! for in one hour is she made desolate..." (Revelation 18:19, KJV)

Who in the Bible does that?
---Leon on 5/11/16


Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Cluny while you may want to correct the Moderator's spelling, lets correct Monks first. MOUNTAINS is not spelled h-i-l-l-s. It's spelled m-o-u-n-t-a-i-n-s. The seven HEADS are not cities or countries surrounding either Rome or Jerusalem in the first place.

SO the WISDOM needed here is not the worldly wisdom of Geography. And nothing about any city being built on 7 anything.

Mountains here is SYMBOLIC of KINGDOMS, not cities, as you see also revealed.
Please learn to read.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/16


Barb, the Rothschilds and their Illimanati?
---john1944 on 5/11/16


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Cluny said, "Moderator, there is no S at the end of Revelation, if you mean that for the last book in the NT."

Thank you soooo much.

No, it was old fumble finger me, typing a question and not proofing it before I sent it.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/11/16


"And the woman that you saw is that great city which rules over the kings of the earth". Rev. 17:18. Follow the money. Who has financial control of the world? It is not the Vatican. See Jeremiah 7:34 and Rev. 18:23.
---barb on 5/11/16


Moderator, there is no S at the end of Revelation, if you mean that for the last book in the NT.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/16


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