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Meaning Of Sacrament

Does anyone here really know what the word "Sacrament" means?

(Yes, the word it's not in the Bible, but the terms Trinity, Rapture, altar call, invitation hymn, and revival and others dear to the heart of the Bible Christian are not either.)

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Kathr said, "It's interesting no one has objected to my calling Cluny anitsemitic."

First of all, Kathr, the word is spelled antisemitic.

---Monk_Brendan on 6/18/16

Monk TYPO's are here to stay. It's called a TYPO Monk. When you decide to come down off your high horse, finding fault in anything you can, only shows me and others you are here for all the wrong reasons. LOVE never points out someone else's mistakes, misspells etc. again YOU set the tone, and then wonder why people have a problem with you. What is not of LOVE Monk is HATE.

You seem like a very angry person OF WHICH IS WHERE DEPRESSION IS BORN. Please deal with your anger issues, before addressing me again.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/16


Monk, I hope you were joking about being born in Alabama?

I was born in Alabama.

I notice that left thinking people yell about calling names, racist remarks and the like EXCEPT when they make fun of the South.

Why are Southern Jokes okay?

Isn't it a form of discrimination?

It isn't nice to make jokes on certain groups of people.

Would you have said the same joke about people who were born in Mexico?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/16


\\Also, you will be surprised with how many guillotines there are.\\

How many, Rob?

Give us the number.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/16


Kathr said, "It's interesting no one has objected to my calling Cluny anitsemitic."

First of all, Kathr, the word is spelled antisemitic.

Second, I object! I objected in another blog, maybe, but I still objected.

I will admit that Cluny is a bit on the parochial side. He can't help it, he was born in Alabama.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/18/16


Rob said, "All they need to do is Google pope wears swastikas photos!"

Rob, I looked at a lot of those photos. All were fakes. There is not a single picture of any Pope wearing a swastika AS A POPE.

Benedict XVI had to become a member of the Hitler Youth simply because he was a young man living in the Third Reich during Hitler's ascendancy.

He spent most of his time in service in a POW camp.

Pius XII was the Papal Nuncio to Germany when Hitler came into power. He saw how evil Hitler was.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/17/16




Cluny, prove the photos of the popes wearing swastikas are frauds.

Before I retired, part of my responsibilities was working with FEMA and
Homeland Security. We had to be prepared to set up emergency camps anywhere and at anytime.

To show how much you don't know, when I was in the Army I knew of three concentration camps. One in Kansas, one in Colorado, and one in Korea. Also, you will be surprised with how many guillotines there are.

To all the Fathers, I wish you a Happy Father's Day.
---Rob on 6/17/16


\\All they need to do is Google pope wears swastikas photos!
---Rob on 6/16/16
\\

Those photos have been proven to be frauds, Rob.

Do you believe in FEMA concentration camps and stockpiles of guillotines, too?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/16


Cluny, it's not that difficult for those who want to see and know the truth.

All they need to do is Google pope wears swastikas photos!
---Rob on 6/16/16


\\I wonder how many people know the pope wears swastikas on his robes?\\

I'm waiting for you to give PROOF that the Pope wears swastikas, Rob.

So far, you have not given any.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/16


You on the other hand call me names many times just because my answers do not agree with your beliefs.------
---Luke on 6/15/16

Luke, I have had very little interaction with the person "Luke". But if you mean the time you went by the name MarkV, well.......I believe it was your aggressive hostility towards others who do not believe in Calvinism that you had to change your name here. LUke has toned it down. AND because Luke has toned it down, I rarely interact with you at all. But HERE the old MarkV showed his face, just like MarkV is known for, ....waiting to attack his old enemies. You really should have stayed out of it MarkV.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/16




Name calling gets you nowhere.---Luke on 6/15/16

I disagree with you about Kathr being right about the RCC because she doesn't know ANYTHING about the RCC to even speak about the Church. She speaks about her error beliefs of the RCC.

But YOU SIR, I LOVE. Fresh blood on CN!

When the Apostles were mad because other men not in their fold were using Jesus' Name, Jesus told them (Disciples) "To leave them alone!"

We at the RCC are happy if Protestants help a sinner repeat and turn to Jesus.
But, Protestants seem to hate it if the RCC brings sinners to Christ. WHY?

Don't we all want the same goal?

Heaven bound for everyone, by any godly means possible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/16


kath, you are right about many things you said about the RCC. But you began calling names to others all because they disagree with you. You have done the same to me. I have read many of the things that Cluny has answered and he doesn't call anyone names, he might be wrong in his answers but he does not call anyone names.
You on the other hand call me names many times just because my answers do not agree with your beliefs. Why not just answer and if you are correct then God can use His word to get through to others. Name calling gets you nowhere.
---Luke on 6/15/16


Monk, I don't hate anyone who doesn't agree with me. Your continual lying about such things is really getting old here. When several here have openly questioned the RCC against scripture, you immediately attack calling names and falsely accusing others of hate. YOU turn the discussions to HATE, because YOU won't face the truth, and then hide behind YOUR hate of others who confront you, who witness to you, and even show scripture you scoff at and then twist.

Cluny needs to publicly state here what Hitler did to the Jews was against God. And that he loves the Jewish people unconditionally. WHEN HE DOES THAT, not YOU, I will more than apologize.



It's interesting no one has objected to my calling Cluny anitsemitic.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/16


Also Monk, you're fairly new here. Cluny and I have been on here for 10 years plus. And for over 10 years Cluny's anitsemitic comments have FINALLY come to a head. So yes, being patient for 10 years and listening to his arrogance and insults and anitsemitic comments have come to a head. To twist scripture to justify his antisemitism is either a reflection of Cluny's heart, or something YOUR RCC teaches, which in the end, on Judgement Day will be on YOU not me. And teaching others that same hate through twisting scripture is more dangerous than you know. Maybe Cluny will now THINK before he speaks.
---kathr453 on 6/15/16


Kathr slimed, " Cluny the Nazi, he does not say the NT is to blame, he is saying HOW the RCC interprets the NT, just like the way You interpreted Galatians...through an unsanctified mind, where the carnal mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit."

Kathr, Cluny is NOT a Nazi, and you should apologize to him. He has not participated in any Neo-Nazi rallies, has he?

When you call Cluny a Nazi, you only harm yourself, as God is watching, listening to every word, reading your thoughts. What will happen if you come to Judgment Day, and the books are opened, and God will read out all of the hatred, spit, and venom you hurt people with on these blogs? I hope you have fire insurance!
---Monk_Brendan on 6/14/16


Kathr whined, " The RCC started their hatred with Passion plays parading down streets to ensite Hatred towards the Jews and the violence that took place afterwards, is where exactly Hitler himself was inspired. There was no such thing before the RCC. It is what it is, and Cluny shows that SAME attitude is still alive today. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....it's a duck. And to insist one is Orthodox and not RCC, but spends endless hours defending it...Hummm."

And yet you show hatred toward your neighbor (me, Cluny, others) all the time with your vicious attacks at anyone that does not agree with you, immediately and totally.

Hmmmmmmm?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/14/16


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Our example is Jesus not the people of the RCC in the past or present.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/14/16


Samuel, some people don't mind being called a Nazi. It is what it is. To use scripture in a way to justify hatred of anyone, when Paul teaches to be at peace as much as you can with everyone, and to love your enemy with so many more scriptures to back up, is appalling. The RCC started their hatred with Passion plays parading down streets to ensite Hatred towards the Jews and the violence that took place afterwards, is where exactly Hitler himself was inspired. There was no such thing before the RCC. It is what it is, and Cluny shows that SAME attitude is still alive today. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....it's a duck. And to insist one is Orthodox and not RCC, but spends endless hours defending it...Hummm.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/16


I don't know this ex priest. But I know the Bible. The New Testament is not responsible for anti-Semitic actions or thoughts.

Christians are lovers not haters. Also the entire early church were Jews. So why would they hate themselves?

kathyr your label doesn't help to show you correct.

Luke 10:26,27 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/14/16


Well Cluny the Nazi, I believe him, not you. Of coarse you will try to defame him, seeing he has exposed the RCC for what it is. But he is not the only source concerning Constantine, the crusades, etc. and seeing how you butchered Galatians I really have no use for anything you say.

You are EXPOSED...and now dead to me.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/16


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Cluny the Nazi, he does not say the NT is to blame, he is saying HOW the RCC interprets the NT, just like the way You interpreted Galatians...through an unsanctified mind, where the carnal mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit.

And you thought Hagar and Ishmael represent the Jews? How ignorant is that? Even so, Paul NEVER instructed Christian Gentiles to literally drive out Hagar's sons descendants. Galatians is about Law vs Grace, and how we need to drive out those who teach law over Grace including the RCC. Those ABOVE AND FREE, are NOT under the control of the RCC or any man for that matter.
---kathr453 on 6/14/16


kathr, both the book and film CONSTANTINE'S SWORD (to use the correct title) by the former priest James Carroll blame the New Testament for anti-semitism.

Is he right about this?

If he is not right about the Bible, can you trust anything else he says?

He also claims that the Cross was not used as a Christian symbol before Constantine. This is historically untrue.

He's one of those people who showing at my door soaking wet during a thunderstorm, claiming it was raining, would lead me to look out the window and make sure he wasn't lying.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/16


\\ Actually Cluny, it was from a documentary from an X Catholic Priest, \\

Of course, he would not have an axe to grind, would he?

Do you understand the difference between photoshopping and image on the one hand, and giving it a misleading caption on the other?

I've never doubted the pix are genuine. But I could tell the captions they gave didn't correspond with the truth of the images.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/16


Actually Cluny, it was from a documentary from an X Catholic Priest, showing all sores of things including the sword of Constantine and the history all down through the ages of not only that symbolism, but many many other symbols and their meaning.

I also looked up the church in Poland on a couple sites, and no photo shopping was done. The all seeing eye is not exclusively RCC, as the Mormon Church also has it. They got it from the Puritans who were Mason's who display it in their church's. And this same Masonic symbol is seen in the RCC, and even on the back of our dollar bill.

Israel never had such a symbol. Remember graven images were forbidden.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/16


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\\Why do some people make excuses for and condone swastikas?

I wonder how many people know the pope wears swastikas on his robes?
---Rob on 6/12/16\\

Swastikas existed centuries before Hitler and the Nazis. The Jefferson County Courthouse in my hometown has a row of swastikas--and it was built in 1928.

And just where does Pope Francis wear swastikas on his vestments? Can you prove this, Rob?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/16


kathr, did you see that picture of an All-seeing Eye at an "Orthodox Catholic Church" on a site called "Jesus is Lord" or something similar? (Obviously, I cannot give its real name.)

FWIW, it's a ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, not an Orthodox one. Of course, I don't expect you or them to understand the difference.

Furthermore, they display pictures with captions that either demonstate they don't understand what they are seeing--or they are deliberately trying to mislead others.

You should exercise more discrimination about where you get your information, kathr.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/12/16


Why do some people make excuses for and condone swastikas?

I wonder how many people know the pope wears swastikas on his robes?
---Rob on 6/12/16


Of course, seeing one picture of something on line is proof of universal use, right?

kathr, did you know that swastikas were used to adorn synagogues centuries before Hitler and the Nazis?

Does this mean that there is a connection?

Or does this simply prove what I said earlier: that the same emblem can have different meanings in different contexts?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/12/16


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It would be nice to be able to post pictures, but seeing we can't, one just has to research for themselves. One picture is an Orthodox Catholic Church in Poland. So even if you personally have not seen one Cluny, millions of others have.

So is there a difference between Orthodox and Orthodox Catholic?
---kathr4453 on 6/12/16


I've been Orthodox for over 40 years, and I've NEVER seen an all-seeing eye symbol in any Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/16


\\Exception 1. When the parts of a compound subject are joined by "and" but are generally thought to be a single unit, they take a singular verb, not a plural verb:\\

The exception doesn't apply here as the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches are NOT a single unit, and those who know better do not think of them as one.

\\by the way, it doesn't mean the Eye of God.\\

Yes, it does.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/6/16


Kathr ranted, "The All Seeing Eye is in fact all over the Orthodox Churches , and has even been seen in the Coptic Chruches. Oh and by the way, it doesn't mean the Eye of God. Or does its meaning remotely represent God."

Kathr, how many Orthodox Churches have you visited? Or Catholic, for that matter?

Where is this "All Seeing Eye" that you speak about? Tell me the correct name of the article, and tell me (from official Orthodox or Catholic sources) how that thing is the All Seeing Eye.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/6/16


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Exception 1. When the parts of a compound subject are joined by "and" but are generally thought to be a single unit, they take a singular verb, not a plural verb:


So Clunky, you are WRONG , as you do,see the exception above. I personally see the RCC and Orthodox as one in the same. But without saying.....IT ISN'T ALWAYS PLURAL. Tee he he!

The All Seeing Eye is in fact all over the Orthodox Churches , and has even been seen in the Coptic Chruches. Oh and by the way, it doesn't mean the Eye of God. Or does its meaning remotely represent God.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/16


The same symbol can have different meanings in different contexts.

For example, the flags of the United States, of Liberia, and of Malaysia are very similar. But they mean different things.

A rainbow might mean one thing in a certain kind of bar, something different to the Italian Peace Movement, and yet a third thing (especially in the 1980's) with New Agers. Anyone remember Constance Cumbie's THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW?

The crowned double-headed eagle might mean something in a Masonic context, but to an Orthodox, it stands for the union of two natures in one Person in Christ.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/6/16


\\The RCC And Orthodox is [sic] steeped with MASONIC symbols. \\

Did you know that an Orthodox may not be a Mason under penalty of excommunication?

BTW, kathr, I learned in grammar school that a compound subject requires a PLURAL verb, so your sentence should read "...RCC AND Orthodox ***ARE***"

Didn't you learn this?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/5/16


A very misinformed Kathr said, "Ok, let's face facts. The RCC And Orthodox is steeped with MASONIC symbols. The big one being the SEEING EYE."

Kathr, for a long time, Masons did not allow Roman Catholics into a lodge. The RCC has ALWAYS forbidden its members to become Masons. Any "symbol" that you think you see in RC services are accidental.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/5/16


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Kathyr I hate to disagree with you. We have been doing a lot of agreeing lately.

But the RCC and Orthodox just adopted common symbols of the ancient past and repurposed them. Many were from Pagan origin. Just like many Masonic symbols were from the same pool.

It is not a conspiracy and while it may have been purposeful a thousand years ago it means nothing today.

I disagree with the teachings of both. But that does not make them not followers of Jesus. Or pagan or masonic.

George Washington and many founders of the United States were Masons. The Washington monument has a lot of Masonic symbols since they helped build it and pay for it.

We need to be like Jesus and follow him.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/16


Ok, let's face facts. The RCC And Orthodox is steeped with MASONIC symbols. The big one being the SEEING EYE. All this goes back to Nimrod and pagan worship. Carrying on the tradition and redefining it doesn't redefine it at all. The same with all the Masonic symbolism in America. Yet we say we were founded on Christianity. The puritans who were not Catholic were also Mason's. WHERE did they get it from? Yet just think about it, the Masonic symbols in America do not represent the RCC or Orthodox. Joseph Smith also adopted the SEEING EYE.

It is what it is Cluny. To say the RCC sanitized and lionized pagan symbols is a lie.
---kathr4453 on 6/5/16


I didn't side-step it because it was a non-question.

My point, which you missed, is that many things dear to the heart of the Bible-only Christian are not in the Bible at all.

Are all of the prayers and things sung in your congregation from the Bible?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/5/16


Cluny, once again you have side stepped answering my questions. Why is that?

By the way, my place of Worship does not have invitational hymns or revivals!
---Rob on 6/4/16


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Rob, you find the prayer the same place in scripture you find invitation hymns and revivals.

All cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church are bishops already beforehand. Cardinals were originally the pastors of the principal parish churches in Rome, along with the bishops of the surrounding dioceses.

Orthodox do not have them.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/4/16


Cluny, on 6/2/16, you mentioned a prayer and I have some questions.

1. Where in Scripture do you find that prayer?

2. Where in Scripture did the Apostles and Bishops ever wear mitres?

3. If the mitre is the HELMET OF SALVATION, how come all those are true Christians don't wear them?

4. How come only Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope are allowed to wear a mitre? (By the way, how come there is nothing in Scripture regarding Cardinals?)

Cluny, I'm waiting for your answers!
---Rob on 6/4/16


kathr, the cult of Dagon had been defunct for CENTURIES before the Western mitre achieved its present form in thee 1000's.

Therefore there is NO historical or spiritual connection between it and the headdress of the priests of Dagon

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/4/16


Kathr said, "Ask yourself, why do Catholic Cardinals, Bishops and the Pope, all wear the mitre of Dagon even TODAY? A dead issue? Hardly!"

As Cluny mentioned before in this very subject, those who call the western Mitre a Dagon Fish Hat have seen neither a fish, or the head dress of a priest of dagon.

Quoting Cluny, "The prayer at bestowing the mitre goes something like this: "We place upon the head of your champion the helmet of salvation, so that armed with the horns of both Testaments, he may appear frightening to the enemies of the Gospel."

As far as a kippa, that is a Jewish term for a skullcap, which are worn by many traditions around the world. We call it a Zucchetto.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/3/16


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Today the Catholic Cardinals, Bishops and the Pope all wear the open fish-mouth mitre, which represents the worship of Cybele and Dagon.

The Mitre hat of Dagan is always worn over the Kippa of Ashtoreth/Cybele, as you can see in the picture of Pope Francis I. yep, the picture is right there

God warned the Jews not to worship the gods of Babylon, I will pronounce My judgments on them concerning all their wickedness, whereby they have forsaken Me and have offered sacrifices to other gods, and worshiped the works of their own hands. Jeremiah 1:16

Ask yourself, why do Catholic Cardinals, Bishops and the Pope, all wear the mitre of Dagon even TODAY? A dead issue? Hardly!
---kathr4453 on 6/2/16


\\And those IN CHRIST are complete in Him,\\

kathr, are you saying you have no virtues to acquire or vices to overcome?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/2/16

Cluny, are you saying sacraments will accomplish that? OR is being crucified with Christ enough to overcome?
---kathr4453 on 6/2/16


Rob, those who say that the western mitre resembles a fish have seen neither a mitre nor a fish.

In fact, it didn't take the form it has until the 1000's or so--CENTURIES after the worship of Dagon was a dead issue.

The prayer at bestowing the mitre goes something like this: "We place upon the head of your champion the helmet of salvation, so that armed with the horns of both Testaments, he may appear frightening to the enemies of the Gospel."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/2/16


Rob, thank you for that list. NOW I understand why they got so defensive about their caps crowns and Mitre's, and refused to give the history behind it. Dagon was an eye opener.
---kathr453 on 6/2/16


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Nicole, I have been a Christian for over 45 years. How long have you been Catholic?

Here are some things you will find in the Catholic Church,

Dagon Fish Hat

Shamash

Moonstrance

Obelisk

Illuminati

The Rosary.

Nicole, as an Individual and a Catholic, are able tell other people what they are, what they represent, their purpose, and their origin?
---Rob on 6/2/16


\\And those IN CHRIST are complete in Him,\\

kathr, are you saying you have no virtues to acquire or vices to overcome?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/2/16


Nicole, Jesus purest form of Grace comes only to those who identify with Jesus in death and resurrection life. There is only 1 sacrifice, not sacrament. And those IN CHRIST are complete in Him, ALL THINGS are ours through Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/2/16


Do you even know what are the 7 Sacraments?

You never seen the words Marriage or Baptism in you bible? That's 2 out of 7.

1. Eucharist John 6

2. Anointing of the sick letter of James 5:14-15

3. Confirmation Acts 8:14-17

4. Confession John 20:23

5. Ordination Acts 1:12-26

But recall Paul making Timothy and Titus Bishops.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/16


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Yes Cluny, a Sacrament is Jesus purest Grace because it comes from Him.

If I give you money it is still money even if you flushed it down the commode.

Just because you flush it, it doesn't mean it wasn't true currency you destroyed.

Your mother demanded that you washed your hands and wore clean clothes to her table to eat her gift she prepared for you.

You eating dirt with her meatloaf doesn't mean she mixed the dirt with the meatloaf.
You did added the dirt your dirty hands.

The meatloaf was clean when she offered to you.

Damnation is an element undertaking by the person not God.

God is Prue and His Sacraments are Prue graces offered to us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/16


\\Sacrament is Jesus purest Grace. It's God who is acting Himself no matter the disposition of the person's soul. \\

Not quite. A total unbeliever MAY (if he does not repent) receive a Sacrament unto his own damnation.

\\The person's state of grace baptizing a child doesn't matter as long as he uses the correct form:(pouring water over the head and repeating Jesus' Words out loud: Matthew 28:19). \\

Orthodox and the other Eastern Churches use total triple immersion--whenever possible, of course.

FWIW, the Byzantine formula of Baptism is "The servant of God (name of baptizand) is baptized in the Name of the....."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/16


1Peter 1: 10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Nicole "sacrament" is not Jesus purest form of Grace. There are no verses that even back up such a statement. To say such a thing is saying there are less pure forms. Seriously? Yes the word grace is used in the OT. However in the NEW, it is used to distinguish between Law and Grace. Perhaps you might read Romans 4 concerning Abraham, and how God uses the word GRACE in its PUREST FORM. I simply do not see your 7 sacraments even remotely listed.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/16


Kathr, I don't think you know what you are debating about?

Sacrament is Jesus purest Grace. It's God who is acting Himself no matter the disposition of the person's soul.

The person's state of grace baptizing a child doesn't matter as long as he uses the correct form:(pouring water over the head and repeating Jesus' Words out loud: Matthew 28:19).

Jesus will act in giving His gifts of Holy Spirit as He promised.
Jesus ACTS! GOD ACTS! PRUE GRACE.

Not all Graces are the same.

A Human's life is greater then an animal's life.
But both comes from God's Graces.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/29/16


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Kathr said, "... So being a word you all invented, who cares if those who never use it can't spell it either."

Neither Cluny nor I invented the word "Sacrament." It came from the Latin sacramentum, the Greek is musterion (from which we get Mystery.)

In each of the sacraments we can see that there is an outward sign of the mystery taking place, a sign in matter/deed and in word (Eph. 5:26), and that the sign bears a relationship to the spiritual grace or reality conferred by the Holy Spirit's action.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/29/16


\\Actually Cluny, the word is not in many's vocabulary\\

Wrong again, kathr.

It's in the vocabulary of all the pre-Reformation churches as well as confessional Protestants, such as Anglicans, Presbyterians, and Lutherans.

Please don't think your own insularity is the norm.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/16


Actually Cluny, the word is not in many's vocabulary. So being a word you all invented, who cares if those who never use it can't spell it either.

You told us what you believe it meant. One only needs to know scripture and the Lord to know your definition is not what Grace means.

So your reasoning is flawed.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/16


\\ Sacriments\\

Please learn to spell the word properly, OK?

I've noticed on these blogs that misspelling of a theological word is a good sign that the person has NO idea what it really signifies.

Why do you deny that God's grace works through the sacraments, since He Himself established them? Please give BCV in your answer.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/16


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Cluny, I believe we have a different understanding of the Grace of God. Grace is not of works, even those works of the 7 Sacriments. No scripture teaches such things. We find GRACE in Christ alone through Faith alone. Grace is the power of God upon you. Those In Christ are given Grace freely every moment of every day. We live IN HIS GRACE...from Grace to Grace.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/16


\\God needs no instruments or signs or celebrations of His Grace for us to experience His Grace.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/16\\

Is the Bible an instrument of God's grace?

Is preaching an instrument of God's grace?

Is faith an instrument of God's grace?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/16


The Latin word sacramentum means "a sign of the sacred." The seven sacraments are ceremonies that point to what is sacred, significant and important for Christians. They are special occasions for experiencing God's saving presence. WRONG. That's what theologians mean when they say that sacraments are at the same time signs and instruments of God's grace.

God needs no instruments or signs or celebrations of His Grace for us to experience His Grace.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/16


Apparently nobody knows what the word "sacrament" means.

How odd that people would attack a word not knowing it's definition.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/16


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///Leon: cluny said I'm also dead to him, but he keeps talking to me anyway. Then again, his Catholic-inspired doctrine includes talking to dead people.---Jerry6593 on 5/21/16///

Cluny & Monk, the RCC/EOC, got this thing about excommunication (shunning) going on here as if they were some great & powerful church authorities. Pathetic! smh
---Leon on 5/21/16


Why are you attacking me Cluny. Why don't you stop being nasty & just leave me alone! smh
---Leon on 5/21/16


\\Leon: cluny said I'm also dead to him,\\

I see you quoted only part of my words, but that should not surprise me when you do the same thing with God's words.

I said that you were dead to me UNTIL you began saying something worth responding to, instead of dismissing everything I said as "psychobabble."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/16


Leon: cluny said I'm also dead to him, but he keeps talking to me anyway. Then again, his Catholic-inspired doctrine includes talking to dead people.



---Jerry6593 on 5/21/16


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Dead to you ~ really?! That's a pretty nasty thing to say. Do you suppose your attitude gives Jesus any glory? Don't deceive yourself. God is not mocked.

You bud only prove my point Cluny. Repent & grow up, please!!!
---Leon on 5/18/16


I see you're projecting again, Leon.

Once more, you're dead to me until you apologize.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/16


///Leon, a few weeks ago you apologized to me for your past nastiness, and I accepted, saying, "May God forgive us all." Now the old nasty Leon is returning. What happened?...---Cluny on 5/18/16///

How is it that guys like you never seem to get it? You seem to think everybody is nasty to you, but your nastiness (snide, sanctimonious, condescending remarks) is somehow holy. Howbeit? smh

I'm just trying to help by confronting you with periodic reality checks. Do you really think you're going to get away with your blatant nastiness? In my experience, it's always the rude & crude people who are first to point out the errors in others. You reap what you sow Cluny!
---Leon on 5/18/16


Leon, a few weeks ago you apologized to me for your past nastiness, and I accepted, saying, "May God forgive us all."

Now the old nasty Leon is returning.

What happened?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/16


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///Leon, are you saying that you have NO idea what the word "sacrament" means?...---Cluny on 5/17/16///

Is that a real question Cluny? The voice(s) you're hearing has nothing to do with anything I've said. Apparently it's something speaking from within your mind to you.
---Leon on 5/17/16


Leon, are you saying that you have NO idea what the word "sacrament" means?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/16


Religion, religion, religion! It's always about your religion with you RCC/EOC types. It's like you guys can't see the forest (Christianity) for the trees (churchianity).
---Leon on 5/17/16


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