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Apophatic Cataphetic Theology

"Negative" terminology is used in apophatic theology to indicate what it is believed God is not.

Positive terminology is used in cataphetic theology to indicate what God is.

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To Monk_Brendan my heart felt prayers will be going out for you.You are one of the nice people who I appreciate so,I believe very much in the power of prayer.You will be in my family prayers.Monk_Brendan I live in Michigan,not much better but soon hope to move with my husband he is getting a place for us,soon.God bless you.Loveagape Elena95555
---Elena_95555 on 6/26/16


Cluny said, "3. Nature? Brendan lives in the middle of a bad area. A murder happened 2 blocks away last week. He can look out his window and see a crack house."

As an update, there was a robbery from a convenience store about a half mile away from here. The thief got away, but one of the clerks was shot. (Thank God he's okay!)
---Monk_Brendan on 6/23/16


Jeery, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to think about what other people should be doing.

Have you considered maybe doing volunteer work?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/16


Jerry said, " Brendan: Ouch! Sounds like your meds and your location are killing you. Doesn't your church have a monastery in a more healthful location?"

No.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/16/16


Brendan: Ouch! Sounds like your meds and your location are killing you. Doesn't your church have a monastery in a more healthful location?


---Jerry6593 on 6/16/16




Jerry said, "What? Fresh air, sunlight and walks through nature are hazardous to your health?...I wish you well."

You aren't paying attention, Jerry. I am taking meds that make it difficult for me to be out in sunshine for any length of time. The air here in Phoenix is not healthy for someone with asthma. Nor has it been healthy for the past six weeks, at least.

I have arthritis, so walking is painful. I live in a high crime area where someone got killed two weeks ago just two blocks away from where I live.

Besides that, if I go out into "nature" I get tumble weeds and scrub brush. Not a pine tree in sight for miles.

Along with all of the above, it's too darn HOT!
---Monk_Brendan on 6/15/16


1. The air in Phoenix is not very fresh. Every day for the last six weeks there has been a pollution advisory, urging people with respiratory problems to stay indoors. Monk Brendan has asthma.

2. It's not for nothing that Phoenix and its environs are called the Valley of the Sun. However, a woman Brendan's age died as a result of being outside yesterday, the city's first heat related death this year. And it's going up to 120 this weekend.

3. Nature? Brendan lives in the middle of a bad area. A murder happened 2 blocks away last week. He can look out his window and see a crack house.

What you describe is well-meant, but it simply can't be done here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/16


Brendan: "What you have suggested for me is hazardous to my health!"

What? Fresh air, sunlight and walks through nature are hazardous to your health? You must be physiologically different from the rest of the human race. Your current approach doesn't seem to be working so well, does it? I wish you well.



---Jerry6593 on 6/15/16


Don't you just hate it when I hold up a mirror to your own behavior, Jeery?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/14/16


Jerry said, "It really isn't necessary for you to show your ignorance on EVERY blog. Brendan has told me how much time he spends on line. I usually only get about an hour or so a day. I am trying to help him with his medical issue. What are you trying to do?"

Jerry, you obviously don't know what an editor does. I spend a lot of time in front of the computer, true. But most of it is editing. After I edit, there is typesetting, including all of the fiddly bits to make the pages flow smoothly and look good.

As far as helping me with a medical issue, DON'T! What you have suggested for me is hazardous to my health!
---Monk_Brendan on 6/14/16




Really cluny? Is that schoolyard retort the best you can do? You need to find some purpose in life.



---Jerry6593 on 6/14/16


\\ It really isn't necessary for you to show your ignorance on EVERY blog. \\

Why not, Jerry?

You do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/16


cluny: "I'm sure it's comparable"

It really isn't necessary for you to show your ignorance on EVERY blog. Brendan has told me how much time he spends on line. I usually only get about an hour or so a day. I am trying to help him with his medical issue. What are you trying to do?



---Jerry6593 on 6/12/16


\\ I recall, Phoenix is cool in the morning. Why not go for a walk then?\\

It never went down below 90 last night. This is typical of Phoenix summers. Later, it will never go down below 100.

I don't know how much time Monk Brendan spends on line, especially on these blogs, but I'm sure it's comparable to the amount of time you yourself spend, Jerry.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/6/16


Jerry asked, " Brendan: I am truly sorry to hear about your suffering. Sunlight, fresh air and exercise are known antidepressants. That's why I recommended them. As I recall, Phoenix is cool in the morning..."

Phoenix in the summer is too blamed hot. We are getting to the point in the year where we are lucky if the LOW temperature of the day (Usually about 4-5 a.m.) is only in the high 90's. Also, the pollution is too high for me, and I am busy with prayers at that time of the morning.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/6/16


Brendan: I am truly sorry to hear about your suffering. Sunlight, fresh air and exercise are known antidepressants. That's why I recommended them. As I recall, Phoenix is cool in the morning. Why not go for a walk then? Sitting in front of the computer all day would depress anyone. My prayers are with you.


---Jerry6593 on 6/6/16


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Jerry asked, "Doesn't your superior care about your health? He should not set you before a computer all day. Get outdoors. Walk among the beauty of God's nature. Read His word. These will help with your depression better than drugs."

My superior almost always goes with me to doctor appointments. He is almost always with me at the pharmacy. He knows what is going on.

As far as getting outside, walking, and so on, The temperature in Phoenix today was 115, with high pollution, and high pressure hovering over the area. I woke up this morning with a pain level of 6! I actually spent most of the day in bed, and I am still hurting!
---Monk_Brendan on 6/5/16


When asked I like to tell people that I am a Christian a member of the Seventh day Adventist church.

I stayed out of this argument for awhile. Since my time was low on time. This was also a topic that used terms I wasn't familiar with.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/16


Why do you people make the living of a christian lifestyle so complicated using worldly knowledge? What happened to just simply love one another (as in the verb form). No wonder there are a whole lot more than 60,000 different denominations in the world because of such bickering. Satan has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom and you are falling for it.

Some would say, "I am a catholic," "I am a baptist," "I am a Mormon," "I am a lutheran,". Is Christ divided?

For those of you who try to correct other people's mistakes in grammar and spelling answer me this: would you correct Moses' speech impediment?
---Steveng on 6/5/16


Brendan: I suspected that the depression had come back. I have just one question:

Doesn't your superior care about your health? He should not set you before a computer all day. Get outdoors. Walk among the beauty of God's nature. Read His word. These will help with your depression better than drugs.


---Jerry6593 on 6/4/16


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Micha said, "...I would like to encourage you "Bring the old Brandon back."

First, the name is Brendan, not Brandon.

Back on 4/11 I mentioned that my anti-depressant had stopped working. Just yesterday, my doctor added another medication (a very small dose) that should help. I just had the script filled this morning. Please be patient with me, as I am still biting people's heads off and crying at Hallmark Cards.

I have been under a great trial, and it is not over yet. My monastic superior has changed my work, so that I am in front of the computer almost all day, this time editing several pieces that someone else wrote, and need to be polished before typesetting and printing.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/3/16


Monk Brendan,
Although I don't believe in a lot of the RCC traditions, We both believe in our Lord Jesus Christ.
With that in mind, I would like to encourage you "Bring the old Brandon back."
Our integrity should not change based upon other's mistreatment of us.
John 15:20 ...The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you...
Rom 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
1Co 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless, being persecuted, we suffer it:
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.
I, as well, should remove my beam.
---micha9344 on 6/3/16


monk: "These are two very mild examples. Do I need to list others?"

Yes. Find something equivalent to calling you names like "bigoted jerk".

Has the depression come back again? Get more sunlight. Read the psalms.


---Jerry6593 on 6/3/16


Jerry said, " Brendan: I still don't understand what I said that was so offensive to you. I mean you no disrespect. I didn't call you a bigoted jerk. I do indeed believe that you are a good Christian man."

Thank you, Jerry, but here is one example of why I said what I said:

"Monk: Did you just read another Modern Theology book and then post this blog to show what you learned?"

Or "Non sequitur! I made a "comment" about his statement--not an answer to a question."

These are two very mild examples. Do I need to list others?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/2/16


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Brendan: I still don't understand what I said that was so offensive to you. I mean you no disrespect. I didn't call you a bigoted jerk. I do indeed believe that you are a good Christian man.

I am defending our mutual God and His Word. I am against anything contrary to that. If your church teaches anything contrary to the Bible, then I consider that teaching to be error, and I will condemn that error. I expect that you will condemn any error of mine that you see as well. That's fine, so long as we have a congenial debate on the meaning of Scripture - our ONLY common point of reference.


---Jerry6593 on 6/2/16


Jerry said, "Ranted? Sneered? Bigoted Jerk? You sound like cluny. What a shame. I want the old Brendan back."

When you treat me as a Christian, totally sold out to God, and stop insulting me and the Catholic Church, the old Brendan will come back.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/1/16


Brendan: What has happened to you? What happened to the nice guy Brendan?

Ranted? Sneered? Bigoted Jerk? You sound like cluny. What a shame. I want the old Brendan back.



---Jerry6593 on 6/1/16


Jerry sneered, "I'll bet you claim to be under the New Covenant, don't you? Then you should have the LAW written in your heart."

Rom 2: 13-14 KJV (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,
---Monk_Brendan on 5/31/16


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Jerry ranted, "1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO EVERY MAN that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

Okay, Jerry, I've got a question for you. Prove to me, from SCRIPTURE, that you are allowed to be such a bigoted jerk. You answer that one, and I'll answer you!

And until you do, or you apologize, then anytime you rant at me, all you'll get back is BUMPF!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/31/16


monk: "Why should I justify anything to you."

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO EVERY MAN that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

I'll bet you claim to be under the New Covenant, don't you? Then you should have the LAW written in your heart.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Paul was not speaking of the 10C Law as you suggest, else he would contradict Jesus.


---Jerry6593 on 5/31/16


Jerry said, "If you can provide a single scripture that definitively states that Sunday is the Lord's day...

...please justify your position from it."


Why should I justify anything to you. You are another one that has sneered at me because you think I cannot find Scripture, if I do not provide it, and when I do, you make light of it, as if I didn't know what I was talking about.

Well, here is a Scripture for you. John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Or, Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of YOU are justified by the law, YE are fallen from grace.

I do not live by the Law. I live by Grace and faith in Jesus Christ
---Monk_Brendan on 5/30/16


Jerry said, "If you can provide a single scripture that definitively states that Sunday is the Lord's day, that Jesus changed His Law, or that He commanded that Sunday be kept as a memorial of the resurrection, then I will change and agree with you. Until then, I will stand on God's side and obey Him."

Where did you get the idea that you were on God's side?

I'm not going to justify my stand, until can show, FROM SCRIPTURE, that the Law of the Sabbath holds true after the Resurrection of Christ.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/30/16


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Jerry, I have this to say to you.

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace. (Gal 5:3-4 KJV)
---Monk_Brendan on 5/30/16


Brendan: You must have missed this:

If you can provide a single scripture that definitively states that Sunday is the Lord's day, that Jesus changed His Law, or that He commanded that Sunday be kept as a memorial of the resurrection, then I will change and agree with you. Until then, I will stand on God's side and obey Him.

Since the Bible is our ONLY common frame of reference, please justify your position from it. Or admit that you can not.


---Jerry6593 on 5/30/16


Jerry said, "If...then I will change and agree with you. Until then, I will stand on God's side and obey Him."

HA HA--In other words, you go back to your original argument and tell me to do the research.

Also, please note that nowhere in the NT are we commanded to keep the Sabbath

Many Orthodox Jews will readily acknowledge that the first six "days" of creation are not necessarily 24-hour days (indeed, a 24-hour day would be meaningless until the creation of the sun on the fourth "day")
---Monk_Brendan on 5/29/16


Brendan: So glad I can provide entertainment for you. I discuss the Sabbath frequently because it is the sign of allegiance to the one true Creator God. I believe that the supplantation of the Seventh-day Sabbath by Sunday is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated against mankind.

If you can provide a single scripture that definitively states that Sunday is the Lord's day, that Jesus changed His Law, or that He commanded that Sunday be kept as a memorial of the resurrection, then I will change and agree with you. Until then, I will stand on God's side and obey Him.


---Jerry6593 on 5/29/16


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Jerry said, " Monk: Did you just read another Modern Theology book and then post this blog to show what you learned?"

Jerrie, you're one to talk. This constant obsessing about Saturday being the Sabbath keeps you the biggest running joke on these blogs. I have a hard time to keep from laughing while I am trying to type a reply.

But to show how wrong you are, there is a tiny Christian sect that believes that Creation started on a Tuesday evening, so their Sabbath is held on Monday.

And have you ever seen a business calendar that begins on Monday? Sat. and Sun. are squished together into one square, an Sunday is the last day.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/28/16


Monk: Did you just read another Modern Theology book and then post this blog to show what you learned?



---Jerry6593 on 5/28/16


Trav: The sad truth is these RCC/EOC/OCD types have made for themselves gods in there own image & language articulation instead of listening to, believing & obeying the one true & living God. They waste much time debating & opinionating about their gods (religious leaders, commentators & the physically dead souls they idolize & canonize) instead of paying attention to the one & only real God.
---Leon on 5/27/16


Neither, Leon.
They are based upon rock solid, scripturally sound, d*I*vine revelation directly from God, including proper spelling.
---Cluny on 5/17/16

But, Leon as you've noticed they are not able to find these scriptures to post to defend anything they say. They claim to have them but, no one but them would understand them. Sounding like the Dark ages excuses they always gave. Here they are in living color today...the same examples to us.

Isa_51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
---Trav on 5/27/16


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I hate to get drawn into this conversation, but maybe this can help.

Male language is used to describe God in the Bible, but is God's maleness the same as a human being's maleness?

Contrary to what the mormonoid mutants from Kolob say, not at all.

Several places the Bible speaks of God walking--but this is NOT as a human walks.

This is part of apophatic theology--understanding that such terms are NOT to be understood in earthly ways.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/16


For what it's worth, people, you are not paying attention.

Theology is man's study of God, and the words we use to describe Him.

Apophatic theology only tells what God is not! For instance, God is not a faucet, or a washing machine, or a man, that He should lie.

Cataphetic theology is man trying to describe what God IS. For instance, God is spirit and truth.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/26/16


Leon said, " Monk: Thank you your hoity-toitiness! Like you really had to take a backhand swipe at me in Cluny's defense? smh"

You're welcome, Leon, if there are any other questions you have, I'll deign to entertain them.

OOOPS! There goes that sarcasm again.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/26/16


Monk: Thank you your hoity-toitiness! Like you really had to take a backhand swipe at me in Cluny's defense? smh
---Leon on 5/24/16


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Leon said, "Also, what are you, a spelling bee wannabe?"

Leon, God has provided a way for humans to communicate, using vocal and written language. Our response to that should be to thank Him for His gifts to us, and to preserve that gift by learning how to spell correctly.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/16


///Neither, Leon. They are based upon rock solid, scripturally sound, d*I*vine revelation directly from God, including proper spelling...
---Cluny on 5/17/16///

What are the "scripturally sound DIVINE revelation from God" that support your hoity toity religiosity? Also, what are you, a spelling bee wannabe? :)
---Leon on 5/17/16


-Apophatic:
Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent...
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began,
Psa 5:4 For thou [art] not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
Isa 40:28
-Cataphatic:
Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God,)...
Deu 33:27 The eternal God [is thy] refuge...
2Sa 22:33 God [is] my strength [and] power: and he maketh my way perfect.
-Mix
Heb 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
-Most Psalms have these.
---micha9344 on 5/17/16


Neither, Leon.

They are based upon rock solid, scripturally sound, d*I*vine revelation directly from God, including proper spelling.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/16


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Are these "theologies" based upon the puffed up theories (vain imaginings, doctrines, rules, opinions) of religious men or are they based upon rock solid, scripturally sound, Devine revelation directly from God?
---Leon on 5/17/16


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