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My 20 yr old son is depressed taking Prozac since quitting drugs a 1 1/2 years ago. He needs recovery but I feel like he is lazy. He is also isolated and just broke up with his girlfriend. He is going to a counselor, but I am often at odds about the advice she is giving. He is still depressed.

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What Christ told in Matt 19:16-17 is of course true.---Pete

Peter
I'm glad you see it is the truth, but Cluny, and many others, don't believe this is true. This is why he did not answer my question.

What is your definition of a Christian?
If it's follower of Jesus Christ, shouldn't a follower believe what Christ taught?
---David on 7/4/16


\\In (Matthew 19:16-17), a man asks Jesus what he must do to gain Eternal life. In his answer, Jesus tells the man he must keep the commandments.\\

David, without looking at your Bible, can you tell me the REST of the passage?

**Depression is a demon. Research the internet. How is medicine (a flesh solution) going to fix a spiritual problem?**

Wrong, aservant. Frequently depression is a CHEMICAL imbalance and NOT caused by demons.

And God has provided us with the knowledge to make the proper medicines.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/16


David, in your comment to Cluny you seem to disbelieve Cluny is Christian? Why?

What Christ told in Matt 19:16-17 is of course true. Jesus though did not then argue that the man had actually not always followed all the commandments. Jesus just told him one more thing to do, which the man was not willing to do
---Peter_K on 7/3/16


Depression is a demon. Research the internet. How is medicine (a flesh solution) going to fix a spiritual problem?

He needs delivery not recovery. Jesus is his only solution. The Holy Spirit is the Counselor for Christians.
---aservant on 7/2/16


Of COURSE I follow the teachings of JEsus Christ. That's because I'm Orthodox.---Cluny

Allow me to test the Truth in your statement.

In (Matthew 19:16-17), a man asks Jesus what he must do to gain Eternal life. In his answer, Jesus tells the man he must keep the commandments.

Do you believe Jesus told this man the Truth? Adult answer please.
---David on 7/2/16




David said, Your not alone in your thinking, many feel the same way as you, about those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

David, first a spelling tip about something. "Your" means something that you own or possess. "You're" means you are. Please keep them straight.

And you are not following the clear words of Jesus, when He said, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,

I dont know what prayers are going up for Cluny from you. I just know what I am praying for you.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/2/16


\\Your not alone in your thinking, many feel the same way as you, about those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.\\

Of COURSE I follow the teachings of JEsus Christ. That's because I'm Orthodox.

You've given no evidence that YOU do, David.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/16


But I KNOW you are, David.---Cluny

Your not alone in your thinking, many feel the same way as you, about those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
---David on 6/30/16


\\Personally, I do not believe Jesus was misinformed.\\

But I KNOW you are, David.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/16


This is assuming that the person is indeed giving the right direction.
However, such a person might well be misinformed himself.---Cluny


Your not alone in your thinking, many feel the same way as you about the Teachings of Jesus Christ. Personally, I do not believe Jesus was misinformed.
---David on 6/30/16




\\If someone tells you, you are going in the Wrong direction, does that mean you can not get to your desired destination, when they give you the right direction?\\

This is assuming that the person is indeed giving the right direction.

However, such a person might well be misinformed himself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/29/16


You have constantly told me that I am following false doctrine. If I am, then by your lights, I can't be saved. I didn't lie!---Monk_Brendan on 6/28/16

Brendan
Let's apply your logic to travel.
If someone tells you, you are going in the Wrong direction, does that mean you can not get to your desired destination, when they give you the right direction?

The Catholic teachings are the wrong direction, the right direction is written in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---David on 6/29/16


Dav id said, "
Brendan
Been real busy lately, but I must ask, Where did I tell you, you couldn't be saved? It really irritates me when people lie about me. I understand why you lie, but it's still irritating."


David, you said, "Cluny
I'm curious as to How can you believe, someone who follows a false doctrine, can be saved?"


You have constantly told me that I am following false doctrine. If I am, then by your lights, I can't be saved. I didn't lie!
---Monk_Brendan on 6/28/16


No. Although telling a person he cannot be saved is not very loving. As far as following a false doctrine, which doctrines am I following, and how do you know they are false--Monk_Brendan on 6/6/16

Brendan
Been real busy lately, but I must ask, Where did I tell you, you couldn't be saved? It really irritates me when people lie about me. I understand why you lie, but it's still irritating.

You follow the Catholic doctrine, and the evidence it being a false doctrine, is in it's lack of evidential teaching written in the bible.
---David on 6/24/16


Interesting neighbor you have there David. Note compared/linked (Sodom) below. They wouldn't listen either.---Trav on 6/6/16

Trav
I know brother, I've been running into the same doctrinal walls for years. They can't help themselves, and I can't blame them for trusting in their doctrines. From infancy, we develop a trust in mans wisdom.

As children, we never question a teachers understanding of a lesson, when we go through grade school and high school. We start off as sheep, following those in whom we put our trust.

Most will seek the Lord in the same manner, seeking God through the teachings of men. Remember (Proverbs 26:4-5)? I'll try.
---David on 6/22/16


Trav said, \\\It is hard to give up but, considering the bite marks.///

To parapfrase Jesus, If someone bites you on the leeg, turn and offer him the other as well.
---Dementio on 6/20/16


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David, you're the one stalking me, OK?

As far as loving to be considered intelligent, I care not. Jesus already said that I am blessed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/12/16


Cluny if you don't want to hear my thoughts, don't seek me out.
There are those here on CN you love to attack, and I happen to be one of them. You love to be viewed as intelligent,
...your knowledge extends no further than your doctrine.

This is why you attack folks spelling, or use of words, because these are your only comfort zones in which to debate.
...we all understand why you choose to attack rather then render aid.
---David on 5/30/16

It is hard to give up but, considering the bite marks.

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
---Trav on 6/6/16


...I AM YOUR NEIGHBOR! Why do you not follow God's Word?
---Monk_Brendan

Do you have any idea how many people Jesus warned ...
Did Jesus warn them out of hate?
---David on 6/6/16

Interesting neighbor you have there David. Note compared/linked (Sodom) below. They wouldn't listen either.
Mat_10:14 ...whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Mar_6:11 whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
---Trav on 6/6/16


David said, "Interesting view of a warning Brendan. Telling someone they can not be saved by following a false doctrine, means they do not love you?"

No. Although telling a person he cannot be saved is not very loving. As far as following a false doctrine, which doctrines am I following, and how do you know they are false? (And stay away from the internet when researching that answer. Also, use books and beliefs that are mainstream, and not the ravings of a loon.)
---Monk_Brendan on 6/6/16


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And yet you don't act like you love me. I AM YOUR NEIGHBOR! Why do you not follow God's Word?
---Monk_Brendan


Interesting view of a warning Brendan. Telling someone they can not be saved by following a false doctrine, means they do not love you?

Do you have any idea how many people Jesus warned about the very same thing? Like the warning Jesus gave the churches in (Revelation 2 & 3). Did Jesus warn them out of hate?
---David on 6/6/16


David said, "I'm curious as to How can you believe, someone who follows a false doctrine, can be saved?"

David, I am not following any false doctrine. However, you are. You don't believe the clear Word of the Lord when He said, " Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."


And yet you don't act like you love me. I AM YOUR NEIGHBOR! Why do you not follow God's Word?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/5/16


Since you are following false doctrines, I suggest you look to yourself, David.---Cluny on 6/4/16

BCV?
---David on 6/5/16


Sorry to hear about your pedicament.
Numbers 6v24-26
Hebrews 12v2
Ephesians 6v10
I had quite abit more written but you can only write 125 words so......
Hang in there soldier(2 timothy 2v3)
---Truce on 6/5/16


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\\I'm curious as to How can you believe, someone who follows a false doctrine, can be saved?\\

Since you are following false doctrines, I suggest you look to yourself, David.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/4/16


...can you actually DENY that Monk Brendan is God's beloved child?---Cluny on 5/30/16

Cluny
I'm curious as to How can you believe, someone who follows a false doctrine, can be saved?

You do not attend the Catholic Church, you attend the Orthodox Church. Since there is only one truth, one way to be saved, you must believe the Catholic Church teaches a false doctrine.

If this is not the truth, why don't you attend a Catholic Church rather than an Orthodox Church?
---David on 6/4/16


That may be, but Jesus was not yet on the cross when he was praying in Gethsemane, yet he still said "take this cup away from me" - he was afraid of drinking from it, as he had not yet done so. How do you explain that? --StrongAxe

StrongAxe
How does this translate into depression, when you, yourself, said it was fear?

It is a good question though, and you can find the answer in (Luke 22:42) & (Matthew 26:42).

Jesus fully believed he could get the Jews to follow him, and God gave him 33 years to try, (His will).
But he eventually realized, this was not going to happen, and when he came to this realization, he said, "not my will, but your will be done", (God the Fathers).
---David on 5/31/16


David:

You wrote: Doesn't sin separate us from God?
It does according to (Isaiah 59:2). When Jesus took our sins on the cross, he was separated from God, and he felt this separation. Jesus felt all alone on the Cross, when this separation occurred. It was this loneliness that caused him to cry out.


That may be, but Jesus was not yet on the cross when he was praying in Gethsemane, yet he still said "take this cup away from me" - he was afraid of drinking from it, as he had not yet done so. How do you explain that?
---StrongAxe on 5/30/16


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David, I did NOT seek you out.

That's as deluded as kathr's claim that Monk Brendan was stalking him/her.

And can you actually DENY that Monk Brendan is God's beloved child?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/16


Cluny if you don't want to hear my thoughts, don't seek me out. There are those here on CN you love to attack, and I happen to be one of them. You love to be viewed as intelligent, and you are, but your intelligence doesn't transfer very well in a biblical conversation, because your knowledge extends no further than your doctrine.

This is why you attack folks spelling, or use of words, because these are your only comfort zones in which to debate. I'm not saying this to hurt you, but to let you know, we all understand why you choose to attack rather then render aid.
---David on 5/30/16


\\Telling lies about what God said, may be why you suffer so many physical afflictions.\\

Your pitiful attempts to claim the spiritual high ground in this conversation are not working.

Give proof that God did not tell me this.

I'm just as capable of hearing from Him as you are--and He can talk to me if He can talk to you.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/16


He told me you were wrong and to mind your own business. Brendan is His precious child and you are to leave him alone lest something worse happen to YOU!
---Cluny


Cluny the prophet?
Have you ever considered, Telling lies about what God said, may be why you suffer so many physical afflictions.
---David on 5/29/16


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\\I can prove, to you, you are on the wrong path.
Get alone somewhere, and on your knees, Confess your sins before God, and then witness Gods intervention.\\

I did what you said, David.

God intervened.

He told me you were wrong and to mind your own business. Brendan is His precious child and you are to leave him alone lest something worse happen to YOU!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/16


"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?". He legitimately experienced despair that faith in God did not relieve him of. Are we stronger than he is?
---StrongAxe


Doesn't sin separate us from God?
It does according to (Isaiah 59:2). When Jesus took our sins on the cross, he was separated from God, and he felt this separation. Jesus felt all alone on the Cross, when this separation occurred. It was this loneliness that caused him to cry out.

Your example does prove Jesus felt depression, but when did he feel this depression? Wasn't it when he was separated from the light of God, as I said?
---David on 5/29/16


So If God provided us with this pharmacopoeia of drugs, how do they explain to the drug addict, God provided them with the drugs they are addicted to?

It's the same as with anything else in this world - it can be used for good effect, or under-used or abused for bad effect. Insufficient water causes death. Enough sustains life. Too much causes drowning. Enough drugs ease pain. Too much causes addiction or death. Too few spouses usually causes loneliness (the first "not good" thing in Gen. 1). Too many usually causes strife. :)
---StrongAxe on 5/29/16


Brendan
You have dedicated your life to God. Even though your on the wrong path, God knows you are seeking the right one. I believe, this is why he did not let you die. And the peace you felt was proof, God was with you in your time of need.

God doesn't turn his back on us, just because we are ignorant of the truth. Gods interventions lead us away from the lies, and to the truth, a truth which will put us on the right path.

I can prove, to you, you are on the wrong path.
Get alone somewhere, and on your knees, Confess your sins before God, and then witness Gods intervention.
---David on 5/28/16


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David said, "Joy is one of Gods rewards,... A reward given to those whose acts of obedience, are done out of love."

A few years ago, David, I was in the hospital, near death. I had massive infections running through my body. I was in pain and anguish all of the time. I was told that I would never walk again.

BUT I had JOY! my monastic superior spent almost every day taking care of me. I received the Eucharist almost every day I was there. I wrote my will and was ready for God to take me. Was I mourning? NO! I was completely at peace!

As you have assumed that I am not the obedient son of God that you are, why would the Fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal 5:22) be pouring through me?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/27/16


\\Joy is one of Gods rewards,\\

According to St. Paul, joy is a FRUIT of the Holy Spirit, not a reward.

BCV where it says God gives joy, or anything else, as a reward.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/16


Cluny
The context of my statement about Heroin and Marijuana is this. Brendan stated God provided us with a pharmacopoeia of drugs. Heroin is a pharmaceutical in some countries.

So If God provided us with this pharmacopoeia of drugs, how do they explain to the drug addict, God provided them with the drugs they are addicted to?
---Cluny on 5/27/16


David:

You wrote: And,.....I never said depression could be cured, "By ones mental attitude". I said it could be cured with Joy, Joy which comes from God. Joy is not a mental attitude, it's a blessing from God.

"Seeking God" is a matter of will, i.e. mental attitude.

Jesus himself sweat blood, said "Take this cup away from me", and "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?". He legitimately experienced despair that faith in God did not relieve him of. Are we stronger than he is?
---StrongAxe on 5/27/16


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David, you seem to be assuming that "drug" means "recreational drug."

That is simply not so.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/16


Clinical depression is a PHYSICAL illness caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, and just as difficult to cure just by one's mental attitude.---StrongAxe

And,.....I never said depression could be cured, "By ones mental attitude". I said it could be cured with Joy, Joy which comes from God. Joy is not a mental attitude, it's a blessing from God.

Joy is one of Gods rewards, a reward given to those who please him. A reward given to those whose acts of obedience, are done out of love.

They are not done in expectation of a reward, for if they are done in this manner, then they are called "Works".

Physical or mental, God can cure either one in an instant.
---David on 5/27/16


David said, "No, I don't think God provides us with drugs. But I am curious to know, Does your church have drug counseling? If so, how do you explain to those, addicted to drugs, God provided them with the drugs."

Not that I am aware of. However the pastor is a true man of God, and he will crawl on broken glass to help a soul in need.

One thing that I can see in your question is a judgmental spirit. "I feel he is lazy." Maybe his depression is making him feel that no one cares, and that you don't love him. Try loving him a bit more.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/26/16


\\Cluny
Depression can also be controlled with Heroin and Marijuana. Does God use these medicines to heal also? \\

These are your words, not mine,originally posted on 5/21/16 on this blog.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/16


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David:

You wrote: impossible for those who walk in the light, to be depressed.

This is fallacious thinking - i.e. that physical illnesses can need external cures, while mental illnesses can be cured by the will alone. You would not say "If we have a broken leg, or cancer, or old age, all we need do is have faith in God, and all of these things would go away, because it is impossible for those who walk in the light to be physically ill".

Clinical depression is a PHYSICAL illness caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, and just as difficult to cure just by one's mental attitude.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/16


Cluny
I have never made the claim medical professionals use heroin and marijuana to treat their patients, and yet you Keep saying I did.
Why do you keep this lie going?
---David on 5/26/16


Strong axe
I'm not against marijuana use or any other drug, if they help folks feel better. Bottom line, I don't like to see folks suffer.

But when it comes to depression, I wish folks would seek God, and not the drugs for their cure. Why? Because there is joy in the light of God, and it is impossible for those who walk in the light, to be depressed. And if they go this route, they become dependent on God, and not the drugs.

I speak to my own experience in this matter, as those who went the drug route speak to theirs. If I had gone the route they went, then we would all be in agreement. Faith in God comes from our dependence on God, faith in man comes from our dependence in man.
---David on 5/26/16


David, I'm still waiting for you to explain where you got the idea that heroin and marijuana are professionally recommended to treat clinical depression.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


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David, please give the name of ONE scientist (a weasel word in this context if there ever was) who says that prescription anti-depressants properly dispensed are addicting.

I shall wait with interest.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


David:

Why is marijuana illegal? Hundreds of years ago, hemp farming (for cloth and rope) was a staple industry in the U.S. The founding fathers grew it. In fact, the Virginia colony made it mandatory (i.e. you could go to jail for NOT growing it)!

Harry J. Anslinger of the Bureau of Narcotics wrote: "...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races." His motives were not medical, but political and racist.

After lobbying Congress and deceiving them that the AMA was against marijuana, marijuana prohibition was railroaded through in 1937.

Today, the U.S. has the highest degree of incarceration of any nation on earth, and most people in prison are there for drug-related crimes.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/16


I guess it all depends on how you define addiction, Cluny. Those in the field of psychiatry say they aren't addicting, and some scientists say they are. In either case, it's hard to get an unbiased opinion.
---David on 5/25/16


I guess it all depends on how you define addiction, Cluny. Those in the field of psychiatry say they aren't addicting, and some scientists say they are. In either case, it's hard to get an unbiased opinion.
---David on 5/25/16


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\\The only reason I didn't go that route, is I know how easy it is for one to become addicted to drugs.
---David on 5/25/16\\

How does one get addicted to anti-depressants, David?

I mean REAL ones, not heroin and marijuana, which are NOT used in treating clinical depression, contrary to what you claimed.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/16


Okay fine! Do you believe that God provides? If that is so, then God has provided a pharmacopeia of drugs for us to use, and depression can be fought using some of those drugs.---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/16

Brendan
No, I don't think God provides us with drugs. But I am curious to know, Does your church have drug counseling? If so, how do you explain to those, addicted to drugs, God provided them with the drugs.

Brother I do feel for you, and if the drugs make you feel better, I'm glad they are there for you.

If I had not received relief from God, in the manner I described, I probably would have taken them too. The only reason I didn't go that route, is I know how easy it is for one to become addicted to drugs.
---David on 5/25/16


David said, "I discovered the instruction I had received in church was not a doctrine from God, but a man made doctrine."

Okay fine! Do you believe that God provides? If that is so, then God has provided a pharmacopeia of drugs for us to use, and depression can be fought using some of those drugs.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/16


David, you know how the Lord has dealt with you. I've never denied it. Good for you.

But I also know how the Lord has dealt with me.

Treat me with the same respect I treat you.

BTW, where is either heroin or marijuana professionally recommended for management of clinical depression? Can you point me to the official protocols on this, please?

Bet you can't!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/16


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You really have nothing to tell me on this matter, David, so keep it to yourself.---Cluny

Cluny
And this, is the difference in our approach to discovering a cure from depression. I discovered the instruction I had received in church was not a doctrine from God, but a man made doctrine. This is a discovery you have yet to make.

I knew the instruction I had received was man made, because all the promises they made, the promises of a wonderful life, never transpired. So when I became depressed, I decided to seek out instruction that did as promised. I found it, And that instruction came by way of Gods Holy Spirit.

And as you request, I will leave you to wander on, but I will pray you make this discovery for yourself.
---David on 5/23/16


\\Cluny...I wish I could spend just one day with you, then my friend, then you would change your mind. It was depression that brought me to Christ.\\

I never doubted Him since my childhood.

But I also suffered from clinical depression from my childhood, though I didn't know to call it that back then.

I DO know when I tried to discuss my feelings with my parents or youth pastor, I'd get, "That's terrible. You shouldn't feel this way."

Not much help, is it?

And hearing from people like you, "Real Christians don't get depressed. They have Jesus!" just added to my sorrow.

You really have nothing to tell me on this matter, David, so keep it to yourself.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/16


David:

You wrote: Depression can also be controlled with Heroin and Marijuana. Does God use these medicines to heal also?

Heroin has proved effective for treating pain of terminally ill cancer patients. Even the Bible, which frequently condemns drunkenness, recommends wine for upset stomachs, and strong drink for the terminally ill. Marijuna has also proved effective for treatment of glaucoma and cancer.

The U.S. has long been predominated by a puritanical attitude of "if it feels good, it must necessarily be evil". This is neither biblical, nor medically correct.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/16


Have you ever heard the saying,"The cure is sometimes worse than the disease" Your son may not be lazy because being "lazy" is one of the effects of being depressed. He may be depressed because he may be taking too much Prozac, in my opinion. If a person decides to stop taking Prozac, they should do it slowly. He might be better off eating foods and doing exercises that will increase the serotonin level. Question: is your son going to a licensed, Christian counselor who is qualified in the correct field of learning to treat your son? You may want to get a second opinion as to a line of treatment - if you are at odds with the advice being given.
---WIVV on 5/21/16


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It's a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE, and can be corrected with medicine.--Cluny

Cluny
Depression can also be controlled with Heroin and Marijuana. Does God use these medicines to heal also?

Cluny...I wish I could spend just one day with you, then my friend, then you would change your mind. It was depression that brought me to Christ. I wasn't seeking a cure, just a reason to go on. The reason to go on, was the cure. That reason, was gladly living a life in servitude, to Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirt can makes it a real easy life to live, a life everyone seeks, but very...very few ever find. And it's because when folks seek God, they seek him through mans doctrines, and not through Gods Holy Spirit.
---David on 5/21/16


David, Elijah certainly walked in the Light of God--and he prayed, "It is enough. O Lord, now take away my life."

Jesus, Who is God Incarnate, even said, "My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death."

They don't sound like there were up on Mount Feelgood, do they?

How do these Biblical examples fit in with what you told me?

Christ is risen !
---Cluny on 5/21/16


David said, "I'm actually livid, livid to hear your church teaches you such nonsense!!
Livid, because I actually care about what you are taught Cluny."


Are you? Then you should carefully study the doctrines of the Orthodox Church, instead of letting fly with ill-informed comments

"...Depression is an affliction no one can suffer, no one who walks in the light of God. (1John 1:5-6)"

Want to make a bet on that?

I am a sinner. I am unworthy of God's love. However, He decided to love me anyway.

If you can't say the same thing, then 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Is the Truth in you?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/21/16


\\You compare the physical with the mental, when Depression is an affliction no one can suffer, no one who walks in the light of God. (1John 1:5-6)\\

This is PRECISELY the attitude that kept me (and others) in bondage for years. You clearly do NOT know what you're talking about, David.

Clinical depression (as opposed to reactive depression) is a PHYSICAL DISEASE. It's a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE, and can be corrected with medicine.

Your hypocrisy in wanting medical help for YOURSELF, but denying it to others, is what the Bible condemns as "diverse weights and measures", or as we would say today, a double standard.

And it's called an ABOMINATION!

Repent!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/16


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I never said that.
But I WILL say that generally God uses medicine to control depression and other ailments.--Cluny


Cluny
God cures depression with drugs,....really? Drugs with all their side effects, some which cause death? Trust me when I say this, There are no side effects when God cures someone.

I'm actually livid, livid to hear your church teaches you such nonsense!!
Livid, because I actually care about what you are taught Cluny.

As for you question, "apples and oranges." You compare the physical with the mental, when Depression is an affliction no one can suffer, no one who walks in the light of God. (1John 1:5-6)
---David on 5/21/16


\\God works through different ways, David.---Cluny on 5/19/16

And yet you believe the same God who made the blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear, and has brought the dead back to life, is incapable of curing depression.\\

Liar.

I never said that.

But I WILL say that generally God uses medicine to control depression and other ailments.

David, if you were hit by a car and broke a leg, would you lie in the street waiting for Jesus to heal you or would you allow yourself to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/16


David:

You wrote: Can you show me anywhere in the New Testament, where Jesus told a person who came to be healed, to go to a doctor?

No, yet the only people who were healed were those who were fortunate enough to actually physically interact with Jesus. Even those to whom he said "your faith has made you whole" weren't healed until he said that.

Unfortunately, Jesus doesn't wander around healing the sick these days, so we have to deal with the next best thing - doctors. 99.9% of the time, God works through non-mysterious ways. When you're hungry, do you open your mouth and pray to God to feed you, or do you go make a sandwich?
---StrongAxe on 5/20/16


God works through different ways, David.---Cluny on 5/19/16

And yet you believe the same God who made the blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear, and has brought the dead back to life, is incapable of curing depression.
---David on 5/20/16


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God works through different ways, David.

As for why Susan came here. I have seen women come here just to soak up sympathy. I'm not saying that Susan is one.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/16


Cluny
Do you believe Susan came to CN for spiritual, or medical advice?
I think she may have come here, because she believes God, who heals the sick, can also heal her son.

Can you show me anywhere in the New Testament, where Jesus told a person who came to be healed, to go to a doctor?

I can show you in (Mark 5: 25-29) the results of a woman who trusted in a doctor and then trusted in the healing powers of Jesus Christ.
Tell me, after you read it, who healed her? Was it God or was it the doctor?
---David on 5/19/16


first of all with the Lord all things are possible. now for me I have been substance-free also for about a year-and-a-half. the Lord led me to get help and through my faith in him and during that time becoming a born-again Christian I prayed intensely and unceasingly for his help and a miracle happened to me I became completely free need for anything. he even took cigarette addiction from me also. I also have suffered from depression and anxiety and Through Time and prayer to the Lord I no longer suffer from this. and it took lots of prayers and time but patience creates perseverance. and medication Might Be Needed for Some.It doesn't need to be a Crutch. I even turned down meds because I wanted no part since I was quitting everything else.
---Lee on 5/19/16


David, clinical depression is NOT the same thing as either reactive or medical depression.

The LAST thing to tell a depressed person is that he needs joy.

He already knows that, and you're just making him feel worse.

Susan, in the case of your son, Prozac may not be the best thing for him.

Dealing with clinical depression, which sounds like what your son has, is a MEDICAL, not a spiritual--issue, and it's a balancing act to find the right med--or combination of meds.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/16


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Susan
The cure for depression is not Prozac, it's "Joy".

Many people confuse joy with happiness. Though both have a lot in common, joy comes only from the Lord.

The question is, "how do we receive Joy from the Lord?"
The answer?
God shows us his love, by filling us with Joy, when we do things which please him.

One thing I know for sure, God loves those who help those in need. Those folks he commands us to help by putting them on our conscience, or as God puts it, " those commands he writes on our hearts."

Have you ever felt an unexplainable Joy when you have helped someone? Now you know why!
---David on 5/18/16


Yikes Susan! Whose counselor is she, your son's or yours? Is your son living with you? If so, maybe that's a contributing source of his depression. If not, get off his back & let him grow up! If you're a Christian, pray for your son, don't nag him...
---Leon on 5/18/16


Hi Susan,

It's wonderful that your son quit drugs, but it can be very difficult, even over an extended period of time. Depression isn't that unusual in such situations, and his depression may be a reason for what appears to you as laziness. If he has been taking Prozac for 1 1/2 years and is still depressed he most likely needs an alternative treatment better suited to his problem. Another counselor might benefit. Since you are conflicted, a counselor might help you also. I'd recommend looking to God, and prayer.
---chria9396 on 5/18/16


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