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Is Bible Preaching To Persuade

Should Bible preaching be to convince or persuade hearers?

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 ---Leon on 5/22/16
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No one likes to be "preached" at especially in today's world where it seems people are offended by one thing or another.

There are two ways to plant the seed: One, we must first set an example of a christian lifestyle. We must plant the seed of a lifestyle that God will use to populate the coming kingdom of God.

Two, we could use as an exaample of what Jesus used with the woman at the well.

I'm not saying that large groups to hear the word is not helpful, but these first two are more powerful than bringing a prospective christian to a large gathering because it's on a personal level. I've successfully use the first two as an educator in over a half a dozen cities I've lived throughout the United States.
---Steveng on 8/28/16





servant: "Men have no decision in salvation. God alone decides."

Do I detect the stench of predestination philosophy here? Of course men have a decision to make. God offers, but we MUST accept if we are to be finally saved. You are right that God alone decides our destiny based on our conduct. But we make the choice, as we do every day to obey either God or Satan.



---Jerry6593 on 8/28/16


Jerry , How is saying I accept , Not a work to get save on that individual ?
---RichardC on 8/26/16


servant: "Men have no decision in salvation. God alone decides."

Do I detect the stench of predestination philosophy here? Of course men have a decision to make. God offers, but we MUST accept if we are to be finally saved. You are right that God alone decides our destiny based on our conduct. But we make the choice, as we do every day to obey either God or Satan.


---Jerry6593 on 8/26/16


It is to proclaim. God isn't selling anything.

No point in trying to convince or persuade. Men have no decision in salvation. God alone decides.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
---aservant on 7/2/16




It's no surprise the Bible is not welcome in many modern pulpits: it makes people feel much too guilty.
Nearly a dozen times in Matt 23 Jesus says woe unto you to listeners.
Often, the condemnation was followed by hypocrites or venomous snakes. (Matt 12:34)
He calls the Pharisees and his own disciples fools (Matt 23:17, Luke 24:25).
One instance he says to the face of his opposition (and once to Peter) that they are of the devil (John 8:44, Matt 16:23).
Jesus came to guilty people, and he let them know it.
Sometimes hard preaching is needed.
---michael_e on 7/1/16


Leon thank you for confirming what I said about the Word. It's better to have things confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnesses. I would love to know how many generations the Word is confirmed in my family. I know one side is at least five generations who were not only saved but Pentecostal's,not that that saves but it's just interesting how it's been passed down in the family. This is purely Darlene's,my, saying, Blessed is the man who learns about the Lord at his family's table.
---Darlene_1 on 6/29/16


///Bible Preaching is to be teaching the Word of God so that a person will be drawn by the Lord God to ask forgiveness of sins and accept Jesus as Savior. No one can come to the Lord except God/Holy Ghost draw them. It is their own heart that condemns. The only way they can learn and have the Word to quicken their hearts is to hear the Word.---Darlene_1 on 6/28/16///

True Darlene.
---Leon on 6/28/16


Bible Preaching is to be teaching the Word of God so that a person will be drawn by the Lord God to ask forgiveness of sins and accept Jesus as Savior. No one can come to the Lord except God/Holy Ghost draw them. It is their own heart that condemns. The only way they can learn and have the Word to quicken their hearts is to hear the Word.
---Darlene_1 on 6/28/16


///[It's] become taboo in... modern pulpit[s] to make anyone feel guilty of anything...[what's] acceptable is preaching...how much God loves you, wants to be your friend, and has a perfect plan of pleasure and success for your life.---michael_e on 6/27/16///

Mike: I'm leery of preachers who seek to manipulate, intimidate & dominate by MAKING people do or feel anything. Is that really the goal of preaching? I don't think so!

Convincing is "making" people do what you say. Yet, persuading is reasoning with people based on what the Bible says about God & comparing people's lives in the Bible to us who are just like them. The Holy Spirit convicts the hearts of people, not preachers!
---Leon on 6/28/16




Michael e, I agree. I recently saw a sign outside of a little country church that read, "Yes, God loves you but not so much that He won't gather you out of His kingdom. Matt 13:41".
---barb on 6/28/16


It has become taboo in the modern pulpit to make anyone feel guilty of anything.
Instead, what is acceptable is preaching messages of how much God loves you, wants to be your friend, and has a perfect plan of pleasure and success for your life.
---michael_e on 6/27/16


Leon: Sounds good. Game on.



---Jerry6593 on 6/19/16


Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. (KJV)
---trey on 6/19/16


I'm game if you are Jerry. I'll meet you half way! :)
---Leon on 6/18/16


Leon: "With gentleness, meekness & respect, preaching should be done to "persuade" hearers"

Perhaps we would do well to approach our CN blog responses in the same manner.



---Jerry6593 on 6/18/16


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Leon said, " Tough love MONKEYMAN, tough love! So people, because of their waywardness, deserve to be beaten with many stripes ...LOL!!!"

First of all, Leon, this is nothing to laughed about. Calling people names is ill mannered and childish. I don't know (or care) how old you are, but if you want to be taken seriously, your attitude will prevent it.

Beating people will really drive the Good News of Jesus Christ into them, won't it?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/17/16


good point Leon and Jerry.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/16


Amen Jerry! Wow man, is this like the Christmas scene in "Gods and Generals" where Johnny Reb and Billy Yank call a truce to meet in the middle of the river and exchange coffee and pipe tobacco? Fantastic!!! LOL
---Leon on 6/16/16


Tough love MONKEYMAN, tough love! Some people, because of their waywardness, deserve to be beaten with many stripes ...LOL!!!
---Leon on 6/15/16


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Leon: "My observation has been many preachers spend a great deal of time trying to convince us with what they believe, instead of persuading us from what the Bible actually says."

I could not agree more. The Bible is our ONLY common frame of reference here on CN as well. I will never be persuaded by anyone's opinion alone, but only with a "thus sayeth the Lord" consistent with the whole of Scripture.


---Jerry6593 on 6/16/16


Tough love MONKEYMAN, tough love! So people, because of their waywardness, deserve to be beaten with many stripes ...LOL!!!
---Leon on 6/15/16


Lee Onn said, "With gentleness, meekness & respect, preaching should be done to "persuade" hearers, by planting the seed of God's word, from the Bible, & then allowing the work of God, The Holy Spirit, to be done in the hearts/minds of hearing people."

Loone, why don't you apply that attitude on these Blogs?.

THE MONKEYMAN STRIKES AGAIN! HA HA HA
---Monk_Brendan on 6/15/16


Thx for asking "Jerry". First, let me tell you what I don't believe the purpose of Bible preaching is: Preachers shouldn't take Bible text out of context by building a straw man to justify reasons that aren't the real Bible reason(s) of text, but instead are their pretext. My observation has been many preachers spend a great deal of time trying to convince us with what they believe, instead of persuading us from what the Bible actually says.

With gentleness, meekness & respect, preaching should be done to "persuade" hearers, by planting the seed of God's word, from the Bible, & then allowing the work of God, The Holy Spirit, to be done in the hearts/minds of hearing people.
---Leon on 6/15/16


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leon: Just curious, but since you brought it up, what do you think the purpose of Bible preaching should be?



---Jerry6593 on 6/15/16


Paul didn't say, "We preach the Bible," but "We preach Christ."
---Cluny on 5/23/16

Your doctrinal blindness is showing...again. Paul references the Old Testament over 269 times, witnesses tp everything he is pointing to Israel, in scripture. Shame that you don't/can't/won't.
Rom_9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people, and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Hos_1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, "Ye are not my people", there it shall be said unto them, "Ye are the sons of the living God".
---Trav on 5/31/16


Sorry it make you ill Leon.

But Agape means to be loving and kind and have charity towards others. So it is nice not sloppy or sarcastic for no reason except for the pride of the sarcastic person.

I see no reason to be unkind to anyone here. GOD loves them too. He died for them also. Why should I belittle those who my Jesus loved so much he died for them.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/16


Mercy! What would we do without the little clusters of sloppy agape, Mutual Admiration Societies, here on CN? "You know what, I like you!" "I like you too!!!" Huggy-huggy, kiss-kiss! lol
---Leon on 5/28/16


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I agree with you Kathyr. GOD bless and keep you.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/27/16


I agree Samuel. I don't believe the biblical definition of persuade means to appeal to our emotions or life experiences. So we convince and persuade through the Word of God that Jesus died for our sin, and rose again for our justification.
---kathr4453 on 5/27/16


amen Kathyr.

I think it is both and also to inform and teach.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/25/16


Acts 18:28

28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Certainly nothing wrong with convincing someone through scriptures. I'd rather be convinced than persuaded, if persuading means appealing to my emotions and life experiences. The reason I say that is emotions change. And it could be seen as a manipulative tactic. Take Scientologists for example. Were they convinced or persuaded? Is anyone REALLY convinced they came out of a Volcano or what ever nonsense they teach? Did Joseph Smith convince or persuade he had golden plates of truth surpassing the scriptures? And can one who is persuaded, be again persuaded in another direction?
---kathr4453 on 5/25/16


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///We preach in the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit then draws through the Word of God. The WORD convicts of sin. Either the person will come under conviction or they will harden their heart...the final authority is the Word of God.---kathr4453 on 5/25/16///

I agree Kathr. (Did I say that?! :)) God, the Holy Spirit "draws" (woos) thru the preaching (speaking) of His recorded word.

To convince means to forcefully overcome any doubt(s) a person may have based upon what you say (reasons you present). But, persuasion is used to gently & hopefully produce a desired outcome by appealing, by reasoning to the emotions or will of people, based upon their life experiences.
---Leon on 5/25/16


We preach in the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit then draws through the Word of God. The WORD convicts of sin. Either the person will come under conviction or they will harden their heart.

We see the BEREANS checked the scriptures to make sure what Paul was saying was true. So the final authority is the Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/16


A little of both. You should convince non believers with the word. Some people only preach the nice things in the Bible. They leave out the whole truth such as about going to hell and burning in the Lake of Fire if you don't repent for your sins and be born again. If they hear this side they then maybe convince. But there are people who will not listen either way. They are full of evil spirits and all you can do is pray for them and then move to the next person because you don't have time to waste on bringing other to Salvation
---Lee on 5/24/16


"The subject of St. Peter's preaching was Jesus, not the Bible.

St. Paul didn't say, "We preach the Bible," but "We preach Christ."


Apparently we are reading the question differently. I read it as should preaching based on scripture be used to persuade and convince the hearer? Rather than the way it is written literally. Perhaps that was a mistake on my part, if so, my apologies Leon. And If that is the case, you are of course correct Cluny.
---Josef on 5/23/16


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\\Also consider that the apostle Peter "mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ." Act 18:28\\

The subject of St. Peter's preaching was Jesus, not the Bible.

St. Paul didn't say, "We preach the Bible," but "We preach Christ."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/16


"Should Bible preaching be to convince or persuade hearers?" Yes
Although I do not personally seek to convince anyone of anything "The believers is instructed to hold "fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. Tit 1:9,11
Also consider that the apostle Peter "mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ." Act 18:28
---Josef on 5/22/16


Bible preaching should be to convince or persuade hearers.
---john1944 on 5/22/16


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