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Peter Upside Down Traditional

Tradition says Peter was crucified, by his request, upside down. Is it likely a person who was about to be crucified could make such a REQUEST, of the brutal Roman soldiers, to be placed in a certain position for execution?

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///...Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those persons who claim that he was crucified upside down & in Rome? Of course it should be!"

No, the proof should be on the one that is who contests the tradition that has stood for almost 2000 years. [irrational] If you have proof, then share it with us, [if you have proof he was, share it with us]...I'm not buying it...---Monk_Brendan on 6/2/16///

As usual, you're being illogical & irrationally silly Monkman. Whether or not you buy the truth is your business. You should want to! But you can't prove Peter was crucified upside down. Nor can you prove he was buried in Rome. If you can, then do so! I don't believe your "traditional lie" no matter how old it is!
---Leon on 6/2/16


It only makes for a good story just to add more IKONS to the collection of the RCC. Truth is never established by proving something is a lie. So Monk, your reasoning is bass Akwards.....like justifying Constantines murderous ways because Nero did it first......Good heavens....I hate to say it, but you make as much sense as Nicole does most of the time, rambling on and on hummmmmmm...which makes me wonder.....
---kathr4453 on 6/2/16


There Is no Scriptural Proof Peter ever acted as Pope or crucified. Those who claim Peter was Pope are responsible to prove their validity
Paul's writings identifies the work and position in the church of Jesus, apostles, bishops, etc. If the office of Pope is the foundation of the church, why don't we have clear Scriptural evidence for it?
A better case could be made to prove Paul was pope.
If we used the kind of reasoning that is used to "prove" Peter to be Pope, we could make a better case that Paul was Pope.
Paul was not married
Peter cited Paul's letters as authority (2 Peter 3:15,16), Scripture expressly tells us Paul was in Rome, but never says Peter was there.
Acts 8 records Peter staying in Jerusalem.
---michael_e on 6/2/16


Leon said, "HUH?!!! Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those persons who claim that he was crucified upside down & in Rome? Of course it should be!"

No, the proof should be on the one that is who contests the tradition that has stood for almost 2000 years. If you have proof, then share it with us, but if this is just anti-Catholic rhetoric, take it somewhere else. I'm not buying it, nor are most of the other people on these blogs.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/2/16


Strongaxe said //Who cares whether or not Peter was crucified upside down?",//
My question was "what difference does it make?"
Does it have any bearing on salvation?
---michael_e on 6/1/16




Leon, I don't know much about camps. I have attended a Baptist church for almost 30 years. But I have never joined.
---john1944 on 6/1/16


I have no problem with this tradition.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/1/16


"\\There is no Biblical proof of Peter's crucifixion, or even being in Rome.\\

No Biblical proof it didn't happen, either....---Cluny on 6/1/16"


HUH?!!! Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those persons who claim that he was crucified upside down & in Rome? Of course it should be!

"Leon, you are an Arminian?
---john1944 on 6/1/16"


No John. Why are you trying to categorize me rather than responding in an informed manner to the blog question? Based on a prior comment you made about "protestants" you seem to be in the RCC/EOC camp & that would explain a lot about your religious projections.
---Leon on 6/1/16


michael_e:

You wrote: As I said my young friend. "What difference does it make?"

This is the subject of this blog, and of interest to its creator (i.e. Leon) and everyone else who has commented on this blog. Whether it is, in the long term, relevant or important is another matter, and perhaps worthy of discussion - you're welcome to create another blog titled "Who cares whether or not Peter was crucified upside down?", but that is not the topic of THIS blog.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/16


//No Biblical proof it didn't happen, either.//
As I said my young friend. "What difference does it make?"
---michael_e on 6/1/16




\\There is no Biblical proof of Peter's crucifixion, or even being in Rome.\\

No Biblical proof it didn't happen, either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/16


Leon, you are an Arminian?
---john1944 on 6/1/16


///Leon, yes, complain to me. It's my fault. I'm the bad and unsaved person here.---john1944 on 5/31/16///

John: I'm not complaining. Just stating the obvious.

So, you're assuming the role of the devil's advocate? Okay! Whether or not you're saved is entirely your choice.
---Leon on 5/31/16


kathr, I have no idea what you mean by 'accelerating" in the context of making wine.

Do you?

If so, please explain.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/16


There is no Biblical proof of Peter's crucifixion, or even being in Rome.
What makes the difference? More important is what Peter said.
2 peter 3:15 And account that the LONGSUFFERING of our Lord is SALVATION, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard(not impossible) to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
---michael_e on 5/31/16


Just go online and see how to make Wine from Grapes.

It is not easy. Just like my dad said.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/16


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Leon, yes, complain to me. It's my fault. I'm the bad and unsaved person here.
---john1944 on 5/31/16


Leon ranted, "What?! So, you RCC/EOC types don't want to face the issue about your "bogus tradition" regarding Peter's death & you've decided to whine instead about wine, like a bunch of goofy grapes!"

I didn't talk about wine and/or grape juice! That sub-thread was started by John 1944, so complain to him!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/31/16


Did Peter use grape juice for communion?
---john1944 on 5/31/16


What?! So, you RCC/EOC types don't want to face the issue about your "bogus tradition" regarding Peter's death & you've decided to whine instead about wine, like a bunch of goofy grapes! Well, you may exhaust the 75 blog comments space here with your stuporous comments, but I believe most people here are sober enough to see thru the snafu regarding the communion wine as well as Peter's crucifixion position & geographical location.
---Leon on 5/31/16


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Cluny I will check your numbers when I have time.

But my dad made home made wine. According to him you would not get anything like wine. Instead you get something like vinegar. He had other words in there but I can't repeat them.

Did you get my other post?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/16


According to the Bible in the OT Lot was SO DRUNK from drinking strong alcohol he didn't even know he was with his daughters producing his sons/grandsons. That's is seriously drunk.

Drunk people know their family

King Melchizedek gave Abraham wine and bread Genesis 14:18

It doesn't say Lot drank grape juice.

Alcohol is alcohol.
That's why the Government uses one word 'Alcohol' when it states no one under the age of 21 can drink nor buy alcohol

Beer, weak wine, strong wine, whiskey, wine cooler, or the like. It's all alcohol because the common factor is 'fermentation'

Grape juice is okay due to no fermentation process.
You will vomit before getting drunk from over drinking the juice.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/16


Cluny, no one is saying the acceleration is different today than hundreds of years ago. We see after the flood Noah found that out. Maybe before the flood that was not an issue.

The difference Cluny is TODAY, those in the wine making business want it to become 12-14%. They don't try to keep it from accelerating. We also don't ADD water to wine to dilute it.

Is NEW Wine today any different than old wine TODAY re alcohol content? No, but back then it was.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/16


\\And Cluny today alcohol is much stronger than even in Bible times.\\

That is not true, though it's a wide-spread myth.

Squeeze grapes, leave the juice alone, and it will ferment from the yeasts on the skin, until it reaches an alcohol level of about 12-14%.

This was true 2000 years ago, and it's true today.

Now, it IS true that 2000 years ago, Jews would mingle a bit of water in the wine as an act of temperance, there are reference to this in the OT.

This is the origin of the mixed chalice in the Pre-Reformation Eucharistic rites.

And without knowing it, those who did so were making a living prophecy of the blood and water that flowed from the pierced side of Christ.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/16


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Kathr, so what?
A Muslim has the Korean. They think their Holy Scripture is correct and our Bible is wrong.

In fact the Jewish people also have Genesis and the other texts we have. BUT they think you are crazy to use Their HOLY Scriptures (remember it was their first) to claim Jesus is their long awaited Messiah.

Don't forget they believe we shouldn't try to tell them WHO IS THEIR MESSIAH.

Which as Christians WE ARE telling them that Jesus is the Messiah and no one else is coming.

Kinda rude of us don't you think?

FAITH COMES FROM GOD!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/16


kathr4553:

You wrote: Ok, FIRST show prophecy Peter went to Rome then buried in Rome. Just two or three verses minimum that someone fortold, witnessed and then testified to.

The Bible (due to the fact that it is smaller than the planet, see John 21:25), is necessarily limited in its scope. There are events that happened before, during, and after it, that it doesn't talk about. There is no mention of Peter's death, nor that of any apostle other than Stephen, for that matter.

From the sublime to the ridiculous - the Bible makes no mention of kathr4553 either. Should we thus conclude that you aren't blogging because the Bible never says you would, or that you don't exist, for the same reason?
---StrongAxe on 5/30/16


Where did I say, thou shall not drink alcohol? The Bible however says not to drink strong drink. So, the idea that mashed grapes immediately turned to strong drink is wrong. New wine was not strong drink. And Cluny today alcohol is much stronger than even in Bible times. They also watered it down. It has nothing to do with being Jewish. Even Gentiles drank wine, stored in caved or the bottom of lakes, sealed off to keep the air from getting to it to slow the fermenting process.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/16


kathr, I'm beginning to wonder if you really were converted from Judaism.

Jews--Traditional, Conservative, or Reform--don't have this "Thou shalt not drink alcohol" attitude that you display.

And I don't have a dog in this hunt, as I don't drink spirits for medical reasons.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/16


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Kathr said, " Ok, FIRST show prophecy Peter went to Rome then buried in Rome. Just two or three verses minimum that someone fortold, witnessed and then testified to."

There is nothing in the Bible that states that St. Peter went to Rome. But there is also nothing in the Bible that says that Martin Luther, John Calvin and others were to re-interpret Scriptures to suit themselves. Or you!
---Monk_Brendan on 5/30/16


///...Why would Jesus get people drunk when children were also there?---kathr4453 on 5/29/16///

How do you know children were there Kat? Scripture doesn't say that! Are you adding to the Word of God, like you accuse me of doing? Or does it just stand to reason (make good common sense) that children would be there (at a wedding) in a real world scenario? Yes, I think so & welcome to reality! :)
---Leon on 5/29/16


\\ And since the word wine is used for both fermented and unfermented wine, there is no proof it was fermented.\\

I'm going to play the same game with you that you do with others.

Please give BCV from the Bible that proves your point.

And prove from the Bible how you say grape juice was prevented from fermenting.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/16


NIcole, we have the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation. From Genesis to Revelation is about Jesus Christ, from the fall of Adam and Eve to,the Promise of a redeemer, Gen 3:15 and the prophecy throughout the whole of the OT.....born of a virgin, where, ..and WALLA guess who comes...Jesus Christ, just exactly as was prophecies in scripture, who died and rose again, just as scripture fortold, who's death and resurrection were witnessed by 500+ including his apostles who not only witnessed it but recorded it and proclaimed it....ACCORDING TO THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS.


Ok, FIRST show prophecy Peter went to Rome then buried in Rome. Just two or three verses minimum that someone fortold, witnessed and then testified to.
---kathr4553 on 5/30/16


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\\Why would Jesus get people drunk when children were also there?
---kathr4453 on 5/29/16\\

Prove from the Bible that children were there.

\\There is evidence Peter was buried in Jerusalem along with other Christians.\\

BCV, please.

\\ No big cathedrals were erected over his grave. That in itself is a pagan practice, not a Christian one\\

I've never heard of a pagan cathedral.

Prove your claim from the Bible, kathr.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/16


Because fermentation is a decaying process. And since the word wine is used for both fermented and unfermented wine, there is no proof it was fermented. The Joke about Peter at Pentecost was that they said..look he's drunk on new wine. The thing is new wine had not yet fermented and could make no one drunk. They did everything they could to keep wine from fermenting because it turned to vinegar.

No use discussing this with a closed minded person who loves his wine.

Why would Jesus get people drunk when children were also there?
---kathr4453 on 5/29/16


Kathr, really?

Can you prove Jesus rose from the dead?

Where is His Body?

You believe historical tradition of Jesus' birth, life, death and resurrection.

Not even our Jewish friends believe it and think we are crazy for believing in Jesus.

Now prove it to a Jew and I will prove to you.

Faith is a gift from God given only to the poor of spirit.

You can't force someone to believe if they don't wish to believe.

Jesus is God and even His couldn't force the nonbelievers.

But you expect us to convince you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/29/16


There is evidence Peter was buried in Jerusalem along with other Christians. No big cathedrals were erected over his grave. That in itself is a pagan practice, not a Christian one. It's only LEGEND Monk. God made sure Moses bones were never found for fear people would worship Moses bones. Doing so was against everything God teaches in his word. Peter may have been crucified, but no proof it was upside down or in Rome. Paul however died in Rome. He was a Roman citizen. Even with that we see no history or legend that Christians went to Rome to ooooo and awwww over Pauls grave.

RCC love ICONS and the fictitious grave of Peter is the biggest IKON of all. It's also LEGEND that Mary remained a virgin too.
---kathr453 on 5/29/16


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Kathr said, "Monk, please provide absolute truth with DNA evidence Peter is buried in Rome?"

Certainly, could you provide an example of his original DNA so that we compare it to the bones in Rome?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/29/16


\\There is no proof whatsoever the wine Jesus made had time to ferment seeing it was huge barrels of water first turned to wine.\\

And just why could Jesus have not produced already fermented wine?

Since when is He limited by time?

Or do you think that Jesus was so powerless?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/16


///Kathr said, "Peter never went to Rome."

Can you show me certified proof that he didn't. His grave is there.

There is no other place where Peter is shown as being buried.

If you can show me certified documentation that Peter was buried anywhere else, I will look at it, and poke fun at your source---Monk_Brendan on 5/28/16///

Monk: You say Peter's grave is in Rome. How do you know that? Is that more RCC tradition? Do you have proof of where Peter was crucified? If other than Rome, does it not stand to reason he would be buried where he died?
---Leon on 5/29/16


Monk, please provide absolute truth with DNA evidence Peter is buried in Rome?

When you do that Monk, and not just take the word of the RCC that Peter is buried there, we'll continue this discussion. Until then Monk, you need to focus on being the spelling police....you are at least good at that. Can't say your good at much else.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/16


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\\Peter never went to Rome.\\

Do you say this on the basis of your exhaustive research into antiquities and ancient documents, with the primary sources being in Latin, Greek, and such languages?

Or are you simply saying the first thing that pops into your head because this is what you think--or want to think?

Please clarify.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/16


Kathr said, "Peter never went to Rome."

Can you show me certified proof that he didn't. His grave is there.

There is no other place where Peter is shown as being buried.

If you can show me certified documentation that Peter was buried anywhere else, I will look at it, and poke fun at your source
---Monk_Brendan on 5/28/16


///...Again Leon's overactive imagination bearing false witness and planting seeds of lewd behavior to another towards another...not what I call speech filled with GRACE or 1Cor 13. Was that really necessary Leon. Maybe it was, so people can again witness your crude interaction with others.
---kathr453 on 5/28/16///

You would have us to believe you're full of GRACE Kat? To the contrary. You remind me very much of the condescending, old Saturday Night Live Church Lady. Extremely contentious, self-righteous & full of yourself describes you very accurately.
---Leon on 5/28/16


Even though scripture uses wine for both wine and grape juice, there is already history that even BC they learned how to keep the grapes juice from fermenting. One was putting In Wine skins, other ways putting In pottery and sealing the top with oil so air did not get in and then in caves where it was colder or under water to keep it cool. And their mixture of wine to water was hardly intoxicating. Even cabbage ferments.

There is no proof whatsoever the wine Jesus made had time to ferment seeing it was huge barrels of water first turned to wine. Do grapes ferment after water is added or before? People drank both fermented and unfermented wine. Just because the people said it was Great doesn't mean the alcohol content was high.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/16


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\\Someone told me that Peter never went to Rome. And it was Simon Magus who went to Rome and founded the Roman Church.
\\

Eusebius, the fourth century Church historian, is much more trustworthy than your anonymous "someone."

Among other reasons, he lived closer to the time.

Samuel, when crush grapes, you get WINE, not grape juice.

Fermentation starts immediately because of the natural yeasts that float in the air and land on the skins.

And in the first century, there was NO WAY of keeping freshly squeezed grape juice from fermenting into wine.

Christ Himself had no scruple against drinking wine. In fact, His first miracle was making several hundred gallons of it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/16


Peter never went to Rome. Remember Jesus wasn't crucified in Rome either. My understanding was Paul was a Roman citizen, where being beheaded was the form of death for Roman citizens. Rome still had rule over Jerusalem, so if Peter did die in Jerusalem, as a form of execution he would have died more than likely by crucifixion. Or it's possible that in Rome itself, all forms of execution was beheading regardless of legal status.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/16


Arf, Arf, Arf...That's all you do Kat. Why don't you put a muzzle on it.

///Someone told me that Peter never went to Rome. And it was Simon Magus who went to Rome and founded the Roman Church.---john1944 on 5/27/16///

John: There's no evidence that he ever did. Simon the sorceror?! Now that's a plausible twist
---Leon on 5/28/16


Leon said, "Some traditions aren't scriptural, like Peter's crucifixion."

Oh? And is the death of any of the Apostles mentioned in Scripture?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/28/16


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Sam: You're in the wrong space blogospheric. This blog is about Peter's crucifixion. Don't drink the vino & blog. You'll loose your attention span & wind up in a stupor everytime. Find the next worm hole & soberly make your way to this blog reality. We'll keep a blinking light on in the window for you to navigate by.
---Leon on 5/27/16

Again Leon's overactive imagination bearing false witness and planting seeds of lewd behavior to another towards another...not what I call speech filled with GRACE or 1Cor 13. Was that really necessary Leon. Maybe it was, so people can again witness your crude interaction with others.
---kathr453 on 5/28/16


Someone told me that Peter never went to Rome. And it was Simon Magus who went to Rome and founded the Roman Church.
---john1944 on 5/27/16


Again trying to strong arm your own blog Leon. Are we to accept you use your questions to bully others? Filling in the blanks no matter where in scripture or even what the story is about is not necessary in any way shape or form. All the apostles died. One day you too will die. The ONLY miracle about any death is that only ONE rose from the dead.

Your question is only to accuse and start a fight. Why not ask questions that GLORIFY GOD? ....not yourself Leon.

I agree with Samuels post. It was not in the wrong thread.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/16


Sam: You're in the wrong space blogospheric. This blog is about Peter's crucifixion. Don't drink the vino & blog. You'll loose your attention span & wind up in a stupor everytime. Find the next worm hole & soberly make your way to this blog reality. We'll keep a blinking light on in the window for you to navigate by.
---Leon on 5/27/16


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///...no one has ever heard of your version before. Thousands of people died on a cross. Do we have any history that anyone else was crucified upside down? IF Peter did die this way, other Christians may have followed in that way too.---kathhr4453 on 5/27/16///

Are the "we" legion of voices speaking inside your head again Kat? Are you their self appointed spokesperson?

This blog is about the "tradition" of Peter being crucified upside down. It has nothing to do with anyone else's unfortunate demise.

"May have"?! Sounds to me like you're making it up & adding to the narrative. Shame on you & stop trying to turn this blog topsy turvy with your tricky, misleading antics. REPENT!!!
---Leon on 5/27/16


Leon, sure it's possible. What we know for sure is Jesus fortold of Peters death, that his arms would be stretched out. That too could be interpreted in different ways....stocks perhaps. What is more important is Jesus said his death would Glorify God. Does that mean Pauls beheading wasn't a death that too glorified God?

If you can fill in the blanks re: Lots daughters re: mountain men.....why then is your adding to scripture something to be accepted and any different than this story? The only difference is no one has ever heard of your version before. Thousands of people died on a cross. Do we have any history that anyone else was crucified upside down? IF Peter did die this way, other Christians may have followed in that way too.
---kathhr4453 on 5/27/16


How Peter was crucified is of no consequence.

The reason we use Grape Juice is that the pure juice of the grape does not have the yeast or taint of Alcohol that does not represent the true purity of Jesus. But this is our understanding. The Bible does not say to use either one.

So those who don't agree should not be accused of sin in an area where the Bible does not state exactly.

But I stand by our reasons for choosing to use the pure juice of the grape.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/27/16


So you say Cluny, but you present no evidence (proof) that what you & the RCC says is true.
---Leon on 5/27/16


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There are contemporary descriptions of the various methods Romans and others used to crucify condemned people--including women and children.

Usually, this was done on a cross of some kind, including the St. Andrew's or X shaped cross. Sometimes it was on a single stake.

Sometimes nails were used to affix the victim, sometimes ropes, sometimes both.

And sometimes the victim was upside down.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/16


John: Was it also a "man-made" tradition to switch from bread to wafers (crackers) during holy communion?

By the way, how do you crucify someone upside down on a cross? Untold numbers of people (before & after) were crucified like Jesus was. That is except for Peter! Really?!
---Leon on 5/26/16


There is no scriptural justification for using grape juice at the Lord's Supper. Just saying...

(It's a manmade tradition.)
---john1944 on 5/26/16


///This just goes to show that Protestants will defend their Traditions as vehemently as Catholics will defend theirs.
---john1944 on 5/26/16///

Really John? Why should anyone have to defend a tradition in the first place, especially if it's Bible-based true.

That brings me back to the subject of this blog, Peter's crucifixion. Is it likely that it happened, according to Catholic tradition, that way?

"Aaa, excuse me Mr. Executioner! Would you please brutally murder me upside down? Thank you!"

smh
---Leon on 5/26/16


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This just goes to show that Protestants will defend their Traditions as vehemently as Catholics will defend theirs.
---john1944 on 5/26/16


///...I agree Leon that grape juice as a tradition is an acceptable replacement...I wouldn't take communion because this is a real wine. is the symbolism that matters.---Lee on 5/25/16///

Lee: Yes, abstinence. There are people who don't want to drink alcohol, period, & then there are people like me who for addictive reasons can't. These are very valid reasons for not drinking wine. Another reason might be the higher cost of wine, in volume, versus buying grape juice.

Again, it's not the drinking of the wine or grape juice that's the tradition. The "tradition" is that we do so IN REMEMBERANCE of the sacrifice Jesus made for us.
---Leon on 5/26/16


\\now Catholics may think otherwise \\

So do Orthodox, all the pre-Reformation Churches, most Lutherans, and Anglicans.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/16


I was told that Peter said he was not worthy to hang, head-up, like Jesus. And so, he requested that they hang him upside-down. But the epistles of Peter to me show he became a mature man of Jesus and he knew Jesus made him worthy of Jesus.

If Peter had some legal Roman standing, I suppose they might honor certain requests.

And possibly it would be easier to breathe, and weight pressure of nails in his feet might not be so painful.

Plus, Peter's face could be closer to anyone he might talk to, about Jesus.
---Bill on 5/26/16


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Leon
I agree Leon that grape juice as a tradition is an acceptable replacement. for various reasons. recovering alcoholics for those who just don't want to drink alcohol kids including. now Catholics may think otherwise but I wouldn't take communion because this is a real wine. is the symbolism that matters.
---Lee on 5/25/16


///Leon, all Protestant denominations used real wine up until about the 1880s. Since then, it has been passed down from generation to generation to use grape juice. That's what a tradition is, passing something down. I also can see that the 12 steppers have indoctrinated you well! [?!]---john1944 on 5/25/16///

John: The taking of holy communion is the TRADITION all Christians practice. The "how" of it isn't the tradition. For instance, the TRADITION of water baptism: Some sprinkle (RCC), others dip & yet others fully emerse. It's not the "how", but the fact that you do what you do repeatedly, for given purposes, that makes TRADITION.

Some traditions aren't scriptural, like Peter's crucifixion.
---Leon on 5/25/16


Leon, all Protestant denominations used real wine up until about the 1880s. Since then, it has been passed down from generation to generation to use grape juice. That's what a tradition is, passing something down. I also can see that the 12 steppers have indoctrinated you well!
---john1944 on 5/25/16


///Protestants have their own Traditions too, such as using grape juice for the Lord's Supper. This is a very recent innovation.---john1944 on 5/25/16///

John: Actually, that's not a tradition. Some people, myself included, are recovered alcoholics. A sip of real wine would likely send most of us into a disastrous tail spinning relapse. I'm certain Jesus wouldn't want that to occur as we partake of holy communion in His memory. So, whether it's real wine or grape juice, the symbolism is just as valid if one's heart is in the right place with the Lord.
---Leon on 5/25/16


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True we have traditions.

But they are to be lesser in importance and subject to change.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/25/16


Well again this is a tradition I'm not aware of any verse in the Bible that mentions this. But why not? It would seem to me with a sadist which would be these Roman soldiers they would get a kick out of this because this seems to me to be even more cruel and unusual punishment.
---Lee on 5/25/16


josef:

While a prisoner's request about his execution has zero legal weight, it's possible his executioners were sufficiently amused to say, "You want an upside-down crucifixion? OK, we'll GIVE you one. Happy now?!"


Leon:

Whether you like it or not, even sola scriptura Christians base everything on tradition. for example, how do you know what books are in the Bible? The Bible itself has no divinely-inspired table of contents. The canon is, itself, extra-biblical tradition. How do you know what the Greek and Hebrew words in the Bible actually mean? Again, the meaning of those languages has been passed down through tradition. Without just these two things, there would be no Bible to speak of.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/16


Protestants have their own Traditions too, such as using grape juice for the Lord's Supper. This is a very recent innovation.
---john1944 on 5/25/16


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Remember guys TRADITION, not Scripture, says this happened even though the Bible is silent in the matter. It's kind of like what TRADITION also says about Mary's immaculate conception & her being a virgin her whole life. The Bible, again is silent regarding Mary's manner of birth, but does speak to the fact that she had other children other than Jesus.
---Leon on 5/25/16


Many unlikely things have taken place in this world.
---john1944 on 5/24/16


"Tradition says Peter was crucified, by his request, upside down. Is it likely a person who was about to be crucified could make such a REQUEST, of the brutal Roman soldiers, to be placed in a certain position for execution?"

Perhaps, however I doubt the request would be honored.
---josef on 5/24/16


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