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Next, the bible describes the state of man as "Dead." and only when God gives life to that dead man or woman then and only then will they and can they live.

---john9346 on 6/26/16

What about the prodigal Son,

It reads "He was alive, then was dead, then alive again (Luke 15:24)! He was alive in the fathers house, and dead when he left and alive again when he return! The only thing God did was allowed him to leave and then welcome him back.
---Ruben on 6/28/16


kathr4453:

You wrote: And as I REREAD Hebrews 11, those BC starting right from the beginning of time, I see their faith was in the coming redeemer. That was never a secret. Was there a promise of many redeemers? Many Christ's? Or just one?

How about people in the last 2000 years who did not hear of Jesus, yet had faith in a coming redeemer? Clearly it would be unreasonable to expect someone in (say) Norway who died one day after Jesus's resurrection to be expected to have known about it.

Also, look at the sheep/goat judgment in Matthew 25. The sheep are clearly surprised when they are chosen - something Christians should not be - so it must refer to others.
---StrongAxe on 6/28/16


One also has to deal with B.C. saints - are they all in hell, because they didn't know Jesus as such, as he wasn't even born yet? If you admit that they could know him indirectly, you must allow others A.D. the same possibility, as many good people all over the world have never heard of him, yet follow his principles.
---StrongAxe on 6/28/16

Strongaxe, I have no idea what you are trying to say here.....that good people will go to heaven? And as I REREAD Hebrews 11, those BC starting right from the beginning of time, I see their faith was in the coming redeemer. That was never a secret. Was there a promise of many redeemers? Many Christ's? Or just one?
---kathr4453 on 6/28/16


kathr4453:

You wrote: Osteen HAS denied Christ again and again before millions and millions.

If a married man is with another woman, that is adultery, yes. That would apply to Osteen too, if he himself actually ran after other gods, which is NOT the case here.

One also has to deal with B.C. saints - are they all in hell, because they didn't know Jesus as such, as he wasn't even born yet? If you admit that they could know him indirectly, you must allow others A.D. the same possibility, as many good people all over the world have never heard of him, yet follow his principles.
---StrongAxe on 6/28/16


Strongaxe. I think the problem here is again, a word that has many meanings. DENY is one of those words. Let's put it this way, when a married man is unfaithful to his wife and ANOTHER is in the picture.....EVERYTIME he is with the other, he IS DENYING HIS WIFE. it also has another name...Adultry. Now you do know scripture is steeped with spiritual Adultry. And the judgement was harsh.

Osteen HAS denied Christ again and again before millions and millions.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/16




Titus 1:16

16 They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Here's the bottom line Strongaxe. To Say the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST is not the only way to salvation, one is denying Christ. OUR WORKS is to keep the Works of God, that is, the GOSPEL in word in testimony in all of life. Osteen denied Christ is the ONLY way to salvation thereby denying Christ.
---kathr453 on 6/28/16


Rob:

You wrote: I shared while being interviewed by Larry King, over and over again, Joel Osteen denied Christ.

That is not correct. He may have said that Jesus it not the ONLY way to salvation, but that is far different from denying Christ.

This is why text bites like "Joel Osteen denies Christ", and many of the article titles one sees as headlines on newspapers or click-bait websites should never be taken at face value without actually examining the facts behind them. I've found this happening in all too many cases, and nobody seems immune, whether right-wing or left-wing, Christian or not.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/16


Rob, I know and hear you. I have a friend who says she is saved. Has been going through some very difficult trials. So I found this little book that was really grounded filled with scripture for this very thing. The book was scoffed at and given back. The reply....it's not what Joel Osteen says. So here we are 6 years later, she is spiritually in the same place still CLAIMING a victory that never came, and most probably never will, struggling. I only found victory THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, and His resurrection life, but the old had to surrender to the Holy Spirit..***Romans 8:11-13. **** first. There is no EASY instant "claim it" victory without obedience. These poor souls who claim they are rich, yet still naked. REV 3.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/16


Many follow their preachers instead of Jesus.

But only God knows the percentage.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/27/16


Kathr, you are 100 percent correct.
Awhile back, on these blogs, I shared while being interviewed by Larry King, over and over again, Joel Osteen denied Christ.

My older brother and sister attend the potter's house.

At one of my Sister's Memorial Service, I had to shut my older brother down because he was sharing nonsense, then I shared the Gospel.

At my Dad's Funeral I shared the Gospel.

At the repass, my older sister said nothing about Christ or the Gospel, but only talked about T.D. Jakes, who he his, and what he has done.

When a Cousin said something to my sister about that, my sister literally cussed him out.

All these things are proof what is written in Matthew Chapter 10 is indeed true!!!
---Rob on 6/27/16




Rob, I know. Osteen is a good sampling of what people want today. What is interesting is seeing so many churches now using them as a blue print for how to get church attendance up. Many want to build their big church as a status symbol of success. Even those small churches who are faithful to the Word find many of the flock running to the BIG BOX. its not much different than what we see on the commercial side of things.....the BOX BOX STORES putting the little guy out of business, offering a larger variety of cheaper merchandise to appeal to the masses. And the most scary is the lack of discernment to The Donald.
---kathr4454 on 6/27/16


Kathr, I can't say if the percentage you shared is indeed true, but I can say the majority of people who go to "church" don't want to hear the Gospel, or the true Word of God, especially if it's convicting.

They only want hear feel good sermons, and have their ears tickled.
---Rob on 6/26/16


Kathr said, "The 7-8% aren't there to defend their denomination, but to defend the gospel in spite of their denomination."

And I suppose that you consider yourself part of that 7%.

"The 7-8 % are not really liked by the 92-93% remaining."

Just like you don't like me?

"The 7-8 % speak out and take a stand against the false doctrine and false teachers in their churches."

And if I take a stand against false doctrine, other people on these blogs quote obscure things from discredited sources that try to force me into a mold.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/16


Brendan said, "John I know all of your verses and more! But salvation is a FREE WILL choice, and while it begins with God, our Free Will comes into play.

Brendan my friend, the verses do not belong to me, but they are, "God's Alone."

Next, the bible describes the state of man as "Dead." and only when God gives life to that dead man or woman then and only then will they and can they live.

"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins,"

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,)"

Eph 2:2 and 5
---john9346 on 6/26/16


Brendan ask, "How did all of those sinners get into the SBC?"

Simply, they were never "Regenerated."

Here is how Paul answers your question,

"For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another."

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,"

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,"

Titus 3:3-5
---john9346 on 6/26/16


kathr4453:

You wrote: Maybe 7-8 % is high, who knows.

Yes, but how do you KNOW it is 7-8%? This is pure conjecture, based on the biased opinions of those who make up such statistics (very often people who have opinions like "anyone who disagrees with us in any way is a heretic, therefore he can't really be saved now, can he?"). Who appointed them the judges of everyone else?

One thing that Matthew 25 tells us is that there are many who are believed to not be saved (even by themselves) who will surprise everyone by actually being saved - and also many who think they are saved but are not.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/16


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Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The narrow way is through the veil AKA the cross. For the 12+ years I have been on here, the least favorite subject, and the least talked about or witnessed to is "I am Crucified with Christ" . It's either arguing about the Law, or bible translations, or how many hrs in a day, ..you name it. Just go and look at the blog questions. I would say less than 1% even mention the Cross. It appears to be foolishness to most here. Would you say that CN represents a good sampling of many different denominations? When the CROSS is brought up, the response is either total silence OR the subject is changed.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/16


Strong axe, I've never questioned where I read that, actually sometime in the 80's. It also reminded me that even in Noah's time the percent was far less, and throughout Israel's time, let's say during Jeremiahs time only a small remnant. Even Jesus own words in several places make the same statement. Paul also says in 2 Timothy 3 that the last days people will turn away from the truth....having a form of Godliness but denying the truth....having itching ears for false teachers. Maybe 7-8 % is high, who knows.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/16


kathr4453:

You wrote: I think statistics say that only about 7-8% of those who attend church, no matter what denomination are genuinely saved.

I have heard it said that 95% of all statistics are wrong.

When you say "statistics say", who has created these statistics, and how do they know who is saved and who isn't? They must be better than Jesus, because even he won't separate the wheat from the chaff until the day of judgment, yet these statisticians seem to be able to do it right now.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/16


All I know Monk is this. The 7-8% aren't there to defend their denomination, but to defend the gospel in spite of their denomination. The 7-8 % are not really liked by the 92-93% remaining. The 7-8 % speak out and take a stand against the false doctrine and false teachers in their churches. God has placed those 7-8% to be a light in darkness within their denominations. Just as you also see in the 7 letters to the "Churches" in Revelation.......that the rebuke is to the majority of those in the churches, yet there is still a small group who have remained faithful to the Lord, not the church.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/16


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Kathr said, " I think statistics say that only about 7-8% of those who attend church, no matter what denomination are genuinely saved."

So why can't I be considered part of that 7-8%? But you have assumed through all your postings at me that I am not saved. I have assured you that I am. Why do you not believe me?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/25/16


Monk, this is the way I see it. Belonging to any denomination means nothing. Millions of people belong to all sorts of denominations, who are religious but that is all. I think statistics say that only about 7-8% of those who attend church, no matter what denomination are genuinely saved. Just because your parents went to church and you were raised in church doesn't guarantee anything. Just like those of Israel, only a small % really had faith, the rest were religious Pharisees as lost as lost as could be.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/16


Cluny, Judas was never crucified with Christ. That part of salvation didn't come until after Jesus died and rose again. Justified by HIS BLOOD, not the blood of bulls and Goats, and SAVED BY HIS LIFE, that is His risen life IN YOU. This is what the Gospel according to the MYSTERY (Romans 16:25-27 , Colossians 1:24-27 ) is, and YES Paul preached the Gospel according to the Mystery, which is with the New Covenant your eternal security. TODAY we enter a NEW and LIVING WAY, through the veil, that is to say His Flesh. Hebrews 10.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/16


Sorry, Kathr. You said, "Free will , free choice does not mean one can lose their salvation. It simply means a sinner can CHOOSE LIFE."

But if you have Free Will, you CAN choose to walk away from God.

I heard from a friend who grew up Southern Baptist that at the SB Convention, in the town where they met, the bars did their worst business, the package good stores (liquor stores) did their best, and (when such things existed) bath houses couldn't keep enough clean towels.

How did all of those sinners get into the SBC?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/25/16


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\\ Once that exchange is made, you can't change back.\\

Really, kathr?

That's not what St. Paul says.

Jesus truly chose Judas.

And what did Judas choose?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/16


The Bible is clear. Salvation via Baptism.

Jesus:
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be Saved.

John 3:5 "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Peter:
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, everyone one of you, in the name of Jesus the Forgiveness of your sins: and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:47 "Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy spirit even as we have?"

Acts 8:36-39 The Eunuch even knew this.

Saul AKA Paul: Acts 9:18 He got up and was baptized
Titus 3:5

Many more, but not enough space to quote the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/16


Free will , free choice does not mean one can lose their salvation. It simply means a sinner can CHOOSE LIFE.

And once someone has chosen life, then HIS LIFE , that is Jesus life is given in exchange for our old. Once that exchange is made, you can't change back. Jesus death and resurrection is what made this exchange possible. He was made sin so that we could be made righteous, ...BUT THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Have you obeyed Romand 6? If not, there is no Spirit of the life of Christ IN YOU.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/16


I said, "Oh, then you are just automatically saved, and once that has happened, you never have to worry again?"

John 9346 said, "Yes sir." And then he gave Scriptures to back up his position.

He also said, "Altar Calls, Invitational Hymns, and Sinner Prayers are "Unbiblical." only God and God alone can regenerate the sinner."

John I know all of your verses and more! But salvation is a FREE WILL choice, and while it begins with God, our Free Will comes into play. If, after a while of serving God, someone decides that he/she does not want to follow God anymore, there is nothing God can do (outside of putting extreme conviction on the person) to stop him/her.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/24/16


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Brendan asked, "Oh, then you are just automatically saved, and once that has happened, you never have to worry again?"

Yes sir.

Listen carefully:




"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."

Jn 5:24

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Jn 6:40

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

Jn 6:47
---john9346 on 6/24/16


Brendan states, "Remember that we are still human, and still have a tendency to sin. Rom 7:18-25."

Brendan my friend you are absoluteley correct but after being saved (salvation) day by day according to the Scriptures we are being "Sanctified." not "Saved."

Altar Calls, Invitational Hymns, and Sinner Prayers are "Unbiblical." only God and God alone can regenerate the sinner...
---john9346 on 6/24/16


Kathr said, "You're welcome Monk."

I was being sarcastic, Ma'am.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/23/16


When we are born again we are to live for Jesus.

1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1Peter 2:1 -3 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/21/16


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You're welcome Monk. It's always good to read scripture in the context it was said. Knowing Galatians is a warning to those who want to go back under Law, is most dangerous. We must always remember we are saved by Grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast. We are saved by HIS LIFE. Justified by His blood and saved by HIS LIFE IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/16


Kathr said, "One must read verse 5 in contrast to verse 4. Or actually read verse 1-4 and 6- the end to see how verse 5 is used here. Paul is saying the same thing he said in Romans 6-8. Remember how he uses chapter 7 re man under the law.....vs Chapter 8 man in the Spirit. That the law has no power. Only by your identification with Jesus in death can you die to sin. Our old man is crucified with Christ. The power is in the resurrected Christ who lives in you. Philippians 3...it's all there."

Thank you, Kathr, for the Catechism lesson.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/21/16


GAlatians 5: 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

One must read verse 5 in contrast to verse 4. Or actually read verse 1-4 and 6- the end to see how verse 5 is used here. Paul is saying the same thing he said in Romans 6-8. Remember how he uses chapter 7 re man under the law.....vs Chapter 8 man in the Spirit. That the law has no power. Only by your identification with Jesus in death can you die to sin. Our old man is crucified with Christ. The power is in the resurrected Christ who lives in you. Philippians 3...it's all there.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/16


John 9346 said, "The "Sacred Scriptures." do not teach, "Hope for salvation." It teaches that if one Truly repents and believe and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture Alone he or she is saved not will be, but is saved..."

Oh, then you are just automatically saved, and once that has happened, you never have to worry again? You seem to forget that the devil believes in Jesus, and trembles.

You can't get saved, and then live like hell. Paul says, in Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/20/16


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Paul ends Romans 7 with, Oh wretched man that I am, who will deliver me from the body of this death. I thank God Through Jesus Christ...reiterating again Romans 6. Romans 7 is just a more detailed struggle of man under LAW before Jesus Christ. And then goes on to Romans 8....

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If one is still struggling in Romans 7, they have yet to be SET FREE.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/16


John 9346 said, "Brendan my friend,

The "Sacred Scriptures." do not teach, "Hope for salvation." It teaches that if one Truly repents and believe and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture Alone he or she is saved not will be, but is saved..."


Salvation is not a one size fits all, come down to the altar, say a sinner's prayer and then you're set for eternity.

Remember that we are still human, and still have a tendency to sin. Rom 7:18-25

St. Paul said, "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members." (Rom 7:23 KJV)
---Monk_Brendan on 6/14/16


Brendan my friend,

The "Sacred Scriptures." do not teach, "Hope for salvation." It teaches that if one Truly repents and believe and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ of Scripture Alone he or she is saved not will be, but is saved...


"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."

Jn 5:24

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Jn 6:40
---john9346 on 6/13/16


John 9346 said, "...what I am conveying to Cluny is mankind must understand his or her Sinful Condition before Almighty God to understand their need for a Saviour..."

I, Monk Brendan confess, that in my past life I have been a most abominable and grievous sinner, and therefore unworthy to be forgiven without a true and sincere repentance for the same. But trusting in the manifold mercies of my blessed Savior and Redeemer, I am encouraged by relying on His sacred Word, to hope for salvation and be made partaker of His heavenly kingdom, as a member of the celestial company of angels, saints and martyrs, there to reside forever and ever in the court of my God.

I think Cluny would say something similar
---Monk_Brendan on 6/13/16


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samuelbb7 said, "But it is not a one shot thing. People until they reject Salvation by what they used to call sinning away their day of grace or they die. Have a chance to follow Jesus."

Sir, just so you understand what I am conveying to Cluny is mankind must understand his or her Sinful Condition before Almighty God to understand their need for a Saviour to save them from their sin...

See, Jn 16:8-11.
---john9346 on 6/6/16


John that list of verses used to be referred to by as the Roman Road to Salvation.

But it is not a one shot thing. People until they reject Salvation by what they used to call sinning away their day of grace or they die. Have a chance to follow Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/16


John1944,

Sir, As I stated if you are genuine in asking this question...

Just remember my friend your Eternal Destination hangs in the valley, there is either heaven or hell.

You only get 1 shot at making this decision and Eternity is a very long time...

I am praying for you,

John
---john9346 on 6/5/16


Cluny ask, "But does Scripture say the EXTENT of our condition?"

Yes, Pay attention to the verses provided to you:

1. Mankind has fallen short of God's Glory rom 3:23.

2. Mankind are sinners Rom 3:19, 5:8.

3. Mankind is separated from God Rom 6:23.

4. Mankind is not good, neither seek God rom 3:10-12 Jer 17:9.

5. Mankind is dead in sin, disobedient, and under the Wrath of Almighty God Eph 2:2-3 and 5 Jn 3:36

6. Can not please God and hates God Rom 8:7-8 Jn 3:19-20.
---john9346 on 6/5/16


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\\But God has in "Scripture." laid out mankinds Sinful Condition before him\\

But does Scripture say the EXTENT of our condition?

No, it doesn't--because that is ineffable, that is, there are no words to adequately describe it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/3/16


John9346, those guys are Calvinists. I don't trust Calvinists. They believe that God could save everybody but that he doesn't want to. The Bible says something different.
---john1944 on 6/3/16


Cluny states, "The point you are missing is that only God Himself knows the depth of our need for salvation and the wideness of His love and mercy."

But God has in "Scripture." laid out mankinds Sinful Condition before him...

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God," Rom 3:23

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Rom5:8

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23
---john9346 on 6/3/16


john1944 asked, "What must I do to be saved?"

Sir, if you are genuine regarding this question.call

I'd invite you to please call (800) 435-4343 option 5

Someone will be available to talk to you my friend.

May Yahweh be gracious to you,

John
---john9346 on 6/3/16


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\\But that witness would know truth about what they are testifying about righ\\

The point you are missing is that only God Himself knows the depth of our need for salvation and the wideness of His love and mercy.

We can perceive neither in their totality.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/2/16


Cluny:

You said:

"
A witness being sworn in replied, "Look. If I knew the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I would BE God."

Think about it."

But that witness would know truth about what they are testifying about right??

Otherwise would he be a witness??

Think about it would a witness sware to be a witness and state, "I am a witness because I don't know anything your honor."

Think about it?
---john9346 on 6/2/16


Cluny, yes, you're right. Makes sense.
---john1944 on 6/2/16


David, what does the Holy Spirit say?---john1944 on 6/1/16

John
I'm sure at some point in your life your conscience has caused you to do something, or to not do something.

Maybe you took something that did not belong to you, and then returned the item because your conscience bothered you.

Or maybe you saw someone broken down on the side of the road, and you passed by, not intending to help, but you stopped anyway, because your conscience caused you to stop.

Gods gives us his commands through his Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit gives us those commands through our conscience. This is what God meant when he said, "I will put my commands in their minds, and write them on their hearts".
---David on 6/2/16


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\\St. Augustine also endorsed the use of secular might to enforce laws against heresy. He is not one of my favorite people.
---john1944 on 6/1/16\\

I'm not saying that St. Augustine is the universal solvent, or that he was 100% correct in everything he said or did. He wasn't.

But this statement of his is right.

john9346, I will tell you a parable.

A witness being sworn in replied, "Look. If I knew the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I would BE God."

Think about it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/2/16


Cluny:

You state:

"john9346, to say we have to "understand" ANYTHING to be saved is gnosticism.

Cluny my friend you can only arrive at this conclusion do to Apophaticism (Eastern Orthodox) of which you embrace.

The bible from Gen-Rev shows mankind how he is in despert need of a "Saviour.? because he is a "Sinner."
---john9346 on 6/1/16


St. Augustine also endorsed the use of secular might to enforce laws against heresy. He is not one of my favorite people.
---john1944 on 6/1/16


\\it seems I have a lot of work to do before I can be saved, intellectual work. I am not sure that I am capable enough or smart enough to get saved.
---john1944 on 6/1/16\\

Not at all, john1944.

To repeat what I said, to claim that anything "intellectual" is required for salvation is gnosticism.

St. Augustine once said said that he wanted to understand so he could believe.

He then realized that if he believed, he would eventually understand more and more.

Of course, we never get to the bottom of it, because God is infinite.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/16


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it seems I have a lot of work to do before I can be saved, intellectual work. I am not sure that I am capable enough or smart enough to get saved.
---john1944 on 6/1/16


john9346, to say we have to "understand" ANYTHING to be saved is gnosticism.

Do ANY of us--including you--truly understand our need for a Savior, or the fullness of His mercy towards us?

I know I don't.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/16


// I think we should put our faith in Christ Himself and not a theory about how He saves us.//
1 Cor.15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
My young friend, you don't actually think this is just a theory do you?
---michael_e on 6/1/16


Hi John,

First, there are many ways, but there is 1 way which is the Biblical Way.

1. You need to understand God your creator is holy, righteous, and just see Lev 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16.

2. You need to understand you are a sinner who has sinned against God your creator see Rom 3:10-23, Eph 2:1-9.

3. You need to understand the Lord Jesus Christ's Sacrifice on the cross was perfect to save sinners.

4. Repent/turn to God call out to him cry out to him to have mercy on you and save you from his wrath that is on you right now.

Any further questions please reach out to me.
---john9346 on 6/1/16


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I think we should put our faith in Christ Himself and not a theory about how He saves us.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/16


David, what does the Holy Spirit say?
---john1944 on 6/1/16


To receive salvation, a person must trust in the redeeming work of Christ on the cross for their sins,(1 Cor 15:1-4) accept Gods grace apart from any work or personal performance, and so understand the gospel of the grace of God. When a person is saved they are baptized into Christ(no water) and become a part of the Body of Christ. This is a separate event from their local church attendance, denominational membership, or other earthly legal associations (Gal 2:20, 1 Corinthians 12:13). Christ alone is our Head, Savior, and Lord.
---michael_e on 5/31/16


Are all the people who have posted so far an agreement? Do I need to do everything that all of you say? I don't know quite what to do. Not yet.---john1944 on 5/29/16

No John,
You just need to follow the Holy Spirit says. Confusing? Amen to that brother.
---David on 6/1/16


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Dear God in heaven I come to you today at a loss Sinner I am asking you that you save my soul and cleanse me from all sin I realize in My Heart by need of salvation which can only come through Jesus Christ I am asking you that you save my soul in queens me from all soon I realize in my heart my need a salvation which can only come through jesus christ I am accepting christ into my heart and what he did on the cross in order to purchase my Redemption in obedience to your word I confess with my mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in my heart that God has raised him from the dead you have said in your word which cannot lie for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Romans 10:13
---Lee on 5/31/16


This is all too confusing. I give up.
---john1944 on 5/31/16


Most "WORSHIPPERS" (True worshipers, John 4:23) have never been taught about "COMPLETE" salvation (ETERNAL LIFE).

Heb 7:25 Therefore he is able to save completely
Heb 1:3 After he had provided purification for sins,

Heb 9:14 through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death
Jhn 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me, I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition

2Th 2:3 and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition

Both the "flesh" and the conscience need to be purified.
---faithforfaith on 5/31/16


John, "Salvation is of the LORD, The LORD is good to those who wait on him, to those who search for him. Therefore it is good that a man should hope and quietly wait for the salvation of Jehovah." John 5:1>Jon2:9>Lam 3:25 It is not a matter of your doing this or that, but rather yielding yourself to being opened to receive what the Father has made available. When salvation is received you will know it by your belief and sincere willingness to acknowledge Jesus as Lord, and your dependancy upon Him for that salvation.
---josef on 5/31/16


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Are all the people who have posted so far an agreement? Do I need to do everything that all of you say? I don't know quite what to do. Not yet.
---john1944 on 5/29/16


Acts 16:30, "What must I do to be saved."
Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.'"
When Paul says believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, he's implying that He died for you and rose again.(ref 1 Cor 1:23) Comparing Acts 2. The question: "What must WE do?" The answer: "Repent and be baptized every one of you." Paul doesn't say anything about repentance and baptism. He says, "Believe." That's a program change. Acts 2 they are under the Law. Nobody has said stop Temple worship, or you are not under Law. Paul knows. "You're not under Law, but rather Grace." So Paul can say BELIEVE everything has been accomplished that needs to be done.
---michael_e on 5/30/16


You must confess your sins and repent to Jesus Christ. Sincerely. And then ask him to come into your heart. Then you will be born again.
---Lee on 5/29/16


Repent and be baptized, and receive the Gift of Gods Holy Spirit. Then, one must allow the Holy Spirit to lead them. But if you fail to confess your sins, before God, daily, you will become separated from the light of God.

We start off much like foster children, children waiting to be adopted by the family they live with. You are saved, when this adoption takes place.

But this adoption will not happen, for those who do not follow the instruction of Gods Holy Spirit.
---David on 5/29/16


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In Ephesians 2:12, our Apostle Paul says "we" "who first trusted in Christ". So, first is to trust in Jesus, in order to be reconciled with God through the death of His Son Jesus.

But then comes how "we shall be saved by His life" >

"For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." (Romans 5:10)

I understand this means how the life of God's love in us changes us into the image of Jesus >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
---Bill on 5/28/16


Are Josef and Ruben in agreement?
---john1944 on 5/28/16


"What must I do to be saved"
"Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.. there is salvation in none other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. And with the heart man believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" Acts 16:31>Act 4:12>Rom 10:10
---josef on 5/28/16


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