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Why do some people think that the Roman Catholic Church didn't begin until the Council of Trent, or some date much later than the 1st Century?

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Hello Sis.Nicole you right about what you said here,alot of Black people will say are you Mexican?? I just start cracking up!! My answer similar No ,not mexican.Cuban american.
Ha ha God bless you my sister.
God is love.
---Elena_95555 on 7/3/16


Cluny said, "In Mexican Spanish, the word for pregnant is "embarazada"--obviously a euphemism."

WRONG!

Embarazada is also the continental Spanish word for pregnant.

When Parker Pen entered the Mexican market, its advertisements which claimed that Parker Pens "won't leak in your pocket and embarrass you" was mistranslated to "No te embarazar chorrendose en tu bolsillo", which means "Won't leak in your pocket and impregnate you".[1]
---Monk_Brendan on 7/2/16


This is really Interesting Well.my family speak Spanish
Of course you right the Cubans we speak very different fron the mexican,etc. I speak also portugus half on that side of the family were slaves under the portugus/ people (very seldom talk about it) Now have good relationship Cuba with the portugus...I sing in portuques love the church songs.
---Elena_95555 on 6/29/16


Cluny I believe that.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/16


Cluny funny joke and it may well be true.Ha ha. I don't question you but I never had any reason to look up the word since the whole thing was given to our College Class by the Teacher and it really happened to her in Old Mexico. She lived over there in the Summer and went to a USA College in Mexico to further her teaching ability.
---Darlene_1 on 6/29/16




\\Example of word difference the word Full in Spanish means your full of Food,in Mexican it means pregnant.
\\


"Full" is not a Spanish word, Darlene.

In Mexican Spanish, the word for pregnant is "embarazada"--obviously a euphemism.

I knew a Spaniard who attempted to take the Texas Driver's written test in Spanish--but since it was in Tex-Mex, he couldn't understand it, so he took it in English instead.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/16


Nicole and Elena I had Spanish in school 3rd through 5th grade but I am in Texas and we had many Mexican children in school. The trouble is though it was Spanish from Spain not Mexican taught so after the 5th they stopped it. I went back in College and took two years but still can't speak Mexican. Now Texas has teachers that speak Mexican and English and classes to teach the Mexican children English. Example of word difference the word Full in Spanish means your full of Food,in Mexican it means pregnant.
---Darlene_1 on 6/28/16


Hi,Nicole I end up in class for foreign language like I wasn't good enough like you got a lot of lip!but I had another friend she was Haitian she stayed in 8th grade a long time!thankyou for being my friend it good to chat with you.there's a lot now that's changed in the system ,)
---Elena_95555 on 6/27/16


Elena, I am also a Black Hispanic. My father is from Puerto Rico.

Spanish was my first language, but the Government (Military) made my parents stop speaking Spanish at home, so I forgot most of it.

But, we eat Spanish foods and lived in a Spanish Culture settings.

My mother is from Alabama.

As you, in Alabama, the Black kids really didn't accept us because according to them we spoke funny so we were not Black enough.

I always ask them to speak our Ancestry language and stop speaking English if they think they are better than me. Of course they didn't.

Kids will be kids.

The problem I am having is that the kids are now adults with the same attitude.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/16


Rob said, " Cluny and Monk Brendan, from Elementary through High School, taking Spanish classes was not an option."

Oh? It was in Illinois, where I went to school. I was required to take two years of a foreign language in High School to graduate. I took Spanish, but other students took French or Latin. But other than that, I did not have to take any other foreign language.

What state were you in that required you to learn Spanish for 12 years?
---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/16




Interesting conversation about Spanish as many of you know I also,I was pretty much ignore they never allow to traslate and actuales I am from Cuban and portugueses relatives but when I was in school like Bro.Cluny in.the 1950' I had a hard way to go!!being a black Kid speaking Spanish I got beat up alot..My mom raised the roof I transferred another school.
---Elena_95555 on 6/25/16


In Alabama, Spanish..were not required in either elementary OR high school back in the 50's and 60's, when I was in public schools.--Cluny

Nor in the 80's.

When my brother came from Puerto Rico, He couldn't speak English. Our school system were at a lost.

They had to call us (twins) from our kindergarten classes to help translate when he was in the eight grade. (which only went so far. A 5 year old can't translate science and math information to a 13 year ago)

Not one adult in the school system knew Spanish. He graduated in 1984 held back one year because he didn't know English well enough.

I graduated in 1989 and Spanish wasn't even offered (as an option) until 1987 in my Alabama High School.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/16


\\I guess you both didn't pay attention in class and are trying to divert people's attention from the truth, which is normal for the both of you!
---Rob on 6/24/16\\

And you're ignoring the truth: that context determines meaning.

Here's another truth: in Alabama, Spanish (or other languages) were not required in either elementary OR high school back in the 50's and 60's, when I was in public schools.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/16


At my place of Worship, God, not any pope is the Holy Father!.....no person has to go to Purgatory....no need for us to pray the rosary!---Rob

1. Sorry, I am NOT retired. I am not afraid to answer ANY questions.

2. I noticed you didn't give a response to the subject at hand about the rock and Peter.
Could it be because you know I was CORRECT?

3. I notice you kept saying "My Place of Worship."
Well I worship in God's House His Church, not your place.
Do as you please, but I'm worshipping God, not myself.

4. If you don't like to mediate on Jesus' Life I can understand why you don't need the Rosary.

I love Jesus and His Life so I need the Rosary.

Again, I worship God not myself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/16


Cluny and Monk Brendan, from Elementary through High School, taking Spanish classes was not an option.

Most people that I know understand alto, and the international red octagon means stop.

I guess you both didn't pay attention in class and are trying to divert people's attention from the truth, which is normal for the both of you!
---Rob on 6/24/16


Rob said, "If you were driving down a street and approached a stop sign, would it mean something to you, which is different from what it would mean to the average person?"

If YOU were driving down the street and saw a sign saying "ALTO" what would you think it meant?

Is it a command in Spanish? Is it an obscure reference to the lower female voice, as opposed to soprano? Or could it be an advertisement for saxophones?

To repeat what Cluny was saying, it depends on the context.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/24/16


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\\If you were driving down a street and approached a stop sign, would it mean something to you, which is different from what it would mean to the average person?\\

No.

But a stop sign hanging in a dorm room might be the the result of a schoolboy prank.

Like I said, CONTEXT determines the meaning of an emblem.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/16


Michael e, you are correct, you didn't say that, I did!

This says a lot about Monk Brendan!
---Rob on 6/23/16


Monk said
//Michael E. said, "Monk Brendan, how come they were called Christians and not Catholics?"//
Monk, michael e didn't say that.
Monk said
//It is a case of history, and not belief system//
Thank you Monk for answering my question.
The 95 thesis, Peter in Antioch and Rome as bishop and pope have nothing to do with the belief system of Christianity. I do thank you for the respect for your elders.
---michael_e on 6/23/16


Michael E. said, "Did you find this in your bible, or is it from a commentary?"

My ancient and venerable friend, I will answer this if you will answer a question from me.

According to the Scriptures (original Hebrew/Greek or KJV--and the texts only, no footnotes or commentary), when did Martin Luther write his 95 Theses?

It is a case of history, and not belief system.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/23/16


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monk said,
He was first the Bishop of Antioch, and then God called him to Rome, where he was bishop there.
Did you find this in your bible, or is it from a commentary?
---michael_e on 6/23/16


Cluny, though it's a challenge, I will try to relate to you on your level of compression.

If you were driving down a street and approached a stop sign, would it mean something to you, which is different from what it would mean to the average person?
---Rob on 6/23/16


Michael E. said, "Monk Brendan, how come they were called Christians and not Catholics?"

Catholic means universal, diverse, diversified, wide, broad, broad-based, eclectic, liberal, latitudinarian. The original Christian Church was Catholic in that anyone was welcome.

"Peter was marred. How come Catholic Bishops are not allowed to marry?"

I've answered that question in another blog.

"In other blog topics (I will accept correction if I'm wrong), you said Peter was the Bishop of Rome, but now you say Peter was the Bishop of Antioch."

He was first the Bishop of Antioch, and then God called him to Rome, where he was bishop there.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/23/16


\\If popes are chosen by God and the Holy Spirit, and trace back to Peter, how is it any were corrupt?\\

Judas was just as much called by Jesus as were the other 11.

How was it that Judas was corrupt?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/16


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Rob, I've already explained to you once that the same emblem can have one meaning in one context and a different meaning in another.

Or can you grasp that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/16


Samuelbb7, on 6/22/16 you wrote,

Correct Monk Brendan not all Popes were or are corrupt.

If popes are chosen by God and the Holy Spirit, and trace back to Peter, how is it any were corrupt?

Rob your points are mostly if not all incorrect.

Please explain how they are incorrect?

I like this pope so far, but I'm still a protestant.

Samuel, I'm a Christian, and you claim to be protestant. what is it you protest against?

I'm waiting for your answers.

Also, Nicole Lacey and Monk Brendan avoid answering the questions I asked them.

They say Peter was the first pope, but they avoid what is written in 1 Peter 3:15.

Why is that?
---Rob on 6/23/16


Michael E. said, "Which is it Monk, was he blessed or not?"

It is BOTH! I believe that the Holy Spirit operated in the selection of Jorge Bergolio (JB) as the Pope, making his election legal and proper. With this in mind, I have no question as to the Holy Spirit being influential in JB's election.

I am not happy with his "STYLE." I like the Mass chanted. He can't chant. I like a Liturgy done to the full. He likes a low Mass. That is my objection to him.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/22/16


Correct Monk Brendan not all Popes were or are corrupt.

Rob your points are mostly if not all incorrect.

I like this Pope so far.

But I am still a Protestant.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/22/16


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Monk said
//Pope Francis would never have been chosen without God's blessing upon him.
As far as Pope Francis, I am not entirely happy with him either//
Which is it Monk, was he blessed or not?
---michael_e on 6/21/16


\\Nicole Lacey, on 6/19/16, how dare you say to myself, or anyone else who has faith in the true Christ,\\

That has yet to be determined, Rob, if indeed you DO believe in the real Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/16


Hi,everyone it's been a long time I am Elena.be here once in a while but.I am writing because the Catholic church has really been.good to me.You know me I try be kind I don't have alot of education my writing not all good,but I couldnt help but say a Catholic priest help me and my family alot.My husband is over seas the Catholic church been.better than.my family to.me.I go regular and they treat me very nice.I.had to.say it.
---Elena_95555 on 6/22/16


Nicole Lacey, on 6/19/16, how dare you say to myself, or anyone else who has faith in the true Christ, "You are so confused because you refuse to believe or trust Jesus' Wisdom".

This is because you follow a FALSE CHRIST, and a FALSE GOSPEL!

On another blog topic I asked you about pagan practices in the Catholic Church,

Dagon Fish Hat

Shamash

Moonstrance

Obelisk

Illuminati

The Rosary.

Nicole, you avoided giving a response to these things like they are plagues. Why is that?

At my place of Worship, God, not any pope is the Holy Father!

At my place of Worship, no person has to go to Purgatory.

Also, there is no need for us to pray the rosary!
---Rob on 6/21/16


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Monk Brendan, I noticed you avoid answering y questions I asked you on 6/18/16, along with questions I asked you on other blog topics like they are the plagues!

Monk Brendan, why is this?
---Rob on 6/21/16


Michael E. said, "I pray for him every day, for his salvation, that some day he might be a real leader."

Was that shot really necessary?

Okay, fine, believe that the Pope is not saved, and the Catholic Church is totally corrupt and reprobate. The Church has survived Arius, it will survive your unbelief as well.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/21/16


Monk said
//I pray for him, every day.//
I pray for him every day, for his salvation, that some day he might be a real leader
---michael_e on 6/20/16


Samuel BB and Michael E. I understand your comments. And I will agree that IN THE PAST corruption, greed, power, and influenced the selection of some of the Popes. Note: I did not say all! and with the changes wrought by the election process, the election is much more likely to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

As far as Pope Francis, I am not entirely happy with him either, but that is more because he won't or can't sing the Mass, and he prefers a low Mass, where I like all the incense, bells, and so on. I just don't like his style, but I pray for him, every day.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/20/16


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The rock is not Peter. The rock is the confession of who Peter said Christ is! ---Rob

You are so confused because you refuse to believe or trust Jesus' Wisdom.

Simon said the confession first.
Because of that confession, Jesus knew which man of the 12 to make him the rock to build His Church.

Jesus said to Simon, only from the Father was he able to say the confession.

Next, Jesus CHANGES his name from Simon to Peter which means ROCK.

NEXT Jesus promises to build His Church this Rock (Peter) and not even satan can destroy the Church.
Next, Jesus gives Peter the keys to both Heaven and Earth with the words 'WHATEVER' is Peter's decision it will be the decision up in Heaven and on the earth (Church us)
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/16


Monk Brendan, you still don't get it do you.

The rock is not Peter.

The rock is the confession of who Peter said Christ is!
---Rob on 6/19/16


Monk Brendan for the present you are correct.

For the middle ages money and power picked many popes.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/16


Monk said
//Pope Francis would never have been chosen without God's blessing upon him//
Jorge known by faithful to the doctrine of works salvation as Pope Francis spoke to our legislative leaders.
For someone claiming apostolic authority from Christ, and his vicar on earth, spoke little of the Lord.
When the Spirit came on Peter he testified to religious and political leaders in Israel of the need for faith in Jesus Christ as King. (Acts 4:12)
I say this because Catholicism teaches (without biblical basis) Peter was the first Pope, and they assume authority from the keys the Lord gave to him.
Jorge's salvation message, came from more policies, more politics, and less pollution.
Trump or Clinton could do as good
---michael_e on 6/19/16


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Popes today and for a long time have been elected the way you speak of Monk Brendan.

But in the middle ages money and power bought the position.

In 1054 the Great Schism where the one church split in two.

The Roman pontiff was not the only leader of the church until then. Before then there were at least three head Bishops of Equal power.

Also Peter tells us who the Church is based on.

1Peter 2:4-8 ... are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded....
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/16


Michael E. said, "... Peter was picked by God, Jorge was picked by men."

When Jesus said, "...thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

That implied a commitment on God's part that corruption would NEVER overwhelm the Church.

The electing of a Pope is done through a lot of prayer, especially prayers to the Holy Spirit for guidance. When finished with prayer, the electors cast their votes according to what they believe God wants.

Pope Francis would never have been chosen without God's blessing upon him.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/19/16


\\Then Peter said, Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.\\

Note carefully that St. Peter did NOT say, "Well, Hallelujah! They got the Spirit, and now we can go on to the next town. We're finished here."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/16


Please everyone read your Bibles again. It was FIRST PETER who was sent to bring the Gentiles into the Church.
Sent by God HIMSELF.

Read all of Acts 10
Acts 10:44-48
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.

Then Peter said, Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have. So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/16


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michaele, you don't get it that I'm Orthodox and not Roman Catholic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/16


//michaele, you may not understand what Papal infallibility actually means.//
My young friend, I know infallibility has nothing to do with your "bishop or pope peter" or Jorge for that matter. Peter was and Jorge is simply men. Peter was picked by God, Jorge was picked by men.
---michael_e on 6/17/16


Monk Brendan, on 6/16/16, you wrote "Because Peter was busy with missionary work, AND he was Bishop of Antioch, (you know the place where believers were first called Christians.)

Monk Brendan, how come they were called Christians and not Catholics?

Peter was marred. How come Catholic Bishops are not allowed to marry?

In other blog topics (I will accept correction if I'm wrong), you said Peter was the Bishop of Rome, but now you say Peter was the Bishop of Antioch.

Monk Brendan, why is that?

I'm waiting for your answers.
---Rob on 6/18/16


Brendan: "Peter's ministry was always focused on the Jews"

Not so. Acts 10 chronicles Peter's visit to see Cornelius, a gentile, after God rebuked him for his religious bigotry.


---Jerry6593 on 6/18/16


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michaele, you may not understand what Papal infallibility actually means.

It never meant that the Pope cannot make an error in a prudential pastoral opinion, or get his sums wrong.

I'll let others explain what it really means.

(Here is an example of apophaticism vs. cataphaticism.)

Glory to Jesus Christ
---Cluny on 6/17/16


Monk said
First, Peter's ministry was always focused on the Jews, not the Gentiles.
Yes, he was the first Pope. He is not now my bishop.
First, are you saying Catholics are Jewish?
Second. why would Paul withstand this "bishop" to his face?
---michael_e on 6/17/16


Michael E. said, "Peter is still keeping the law in Acts 10, Separates from gentiles and, when Peter came to Antioch, Paul withstood him to his face(Gal 2)
Monk is this your Bishop and first Pope?"


First, Peter's ministry was always focused on the Jews, not the Gentiles. As such, to be accepted in the Temple, he would have to keep the Law.

Yes, he was the first Pope. He is not now my bishop, as he is now enjoying eternity with God. Bp. Nicholas Samra is my bishop now.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/17/16


Well Monk Brendan and Cluny both agreed with me that I way over simplified it. So the three of us can agree on this.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/16


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Monk said,
//Because Peter was busy with missionary work, AND he was Bishop of Antioch. (You know, the place where believers were first called Christians)/,/
Amazing that Paul was ministering at Antioch when (Monk says Peter was Bishop)
Peter is still keeping the law in Acts 10, Separates from gentiles and, when Peter came to Antioch, Paul withstood him to his face(Gal 2)
Monk is this your Bishop and first Pope?
"Study to show yourself approved"
---michael_e on 6/16/16


Jerry asked, "If Peter were the "head" of the early church, then why was James the chairman of the Jerusalem council and NOT Peter?"

Because Peter was busy with missionary work, AND he was Bishop of Antioch. (You know, the place where believers were first called Christians)
---Monk_Brendan on 6/16/16


Samuel BB said, "In 1054 the Bishop in Rome got tired of not having the other Bishops not follow his rule....

This is way over simplified."


And mostly ill informed and untrue.

The Schism of 1054 had a number of factors. including the Pope's demand that he had primacy. But there was also filioque, a doctrine that says the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

The Orthodox view is that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone. This was an issue for centuries before it flared up to excommunications.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/16/16


Because they are terrified to find out that Jesus truly did start the Catholic Church.

Naturally, one would have to convert to Church started by their Lord and Savior.

Deny Jesus started the RCC and stay in one's own choice of worship.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/16


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\\In 1054 the Bishop in Rome got tired of not having the other Bishops not follow his rule.

The Orthodox Bishops refused to recognize that only the Bishop in Rome was from Peter.\\

IT's not that simple.

No Orthodox has ever denied that the Bishop of Rome is a successor of ST. Peter.

But so is the Bishop (now called Patriarch) of Antioch.

Since this is another subject on which books have been written, I won't try to explain it in 125 words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/16


Brendan: "Yes, the head of the Church is Christ. However, the Pope stands in the PLACE of Peter. And yes, God is the Holy Father."

If Peter were the "head" of the early church, then why was James the chairman of the Jerusalem council and NOT Peter?



---Jerry6593 on 6/16/16


Well the Orthodox should actually be the best to answer that question.

In 1054 the Bishop in Rome got tired of not having the other Bishops not follow his rule.

The Orthodox Bishops refused to recognize that only the Bishop in Rome was from Peter. This and other issues lead to the Great Schism in 1054. Where the RCC and the Orthodox split from the United Church and formed two churches.

This is way over simplified.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/14/16


Rob asked, " Monk Brendan, why do you continue to do what is written in Romans 1:25?"

And why do you continue in this vein:
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity, whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 1:29-32 KJV
---Monk_Brendan on 6/13/16


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Monk Brendan, why do you continue to do what is written in Romans 1:25?
---Rob on 6/13/16


Rob said, "
The true and original Church is Christian, not Catholic...In scripture, the only person who ever replaced (succeeded) an Apostle was Matthias." and

"The head of the Church is Christ, not the pope."


STOP RIGHT THERE! Yes, the head of the Church is Christ. However, the Pope stands in the PLACE of Peter. And yes, God is the Holy Father. But again the Pope is the continuation of the line of succession back to Peter.

Matthias was not the only one to replace an Apostle.

Read Phil 1:1
1 Tim 1:1-2

If you actually read the history of Paul (in a non-biased history) then you will see that he left people to replace him when his job was over.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/12/16


The true and original Church is Christian, not Catholic.

The head of the Church is Christ, not the pope.

The Holy Father is God, not the pope.

In scripture, the only person who ever replaced (succeeded) an Apostle was Matthias.
---Rob on 6/12/16


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