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Faith In Honest Doubt

A poet once wrote, "There is more faith in honest doubt than in half the creeds."

What do you think of this idea?

Express your thoughts, pro or con.

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 ---Cluny on 6/11/16
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Ephesians 1:8 For by grace are ye saved thought faith : and that Not of yourselves : it is a gift of God

1:9 - Not of Work lest any man should Boast,

1:10 - For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto Good works , which god hath before ordained that we should walk in them,


2 Peter 2:9 - FOR the Lord knoweth how to deliver the Godly out of temptation, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished,
---RichardC on 8/11/16


"What happens if a person goes down to every altar call and asks Jesus into her heart, and then lives like hell the rest of the week? Is she truly saved?"

Almost certainly not otherwise why would he/she need to answer every alter call? Once saved the person should then remain seated (at future such services) and pray very seriously for those others going down on those other occasions.

Some people are addicted to alter calls to be saved and, almost certainly, don't understand from what it is they 'supposedly' have been saved.

No-one being truly saved would live, afterwards, as you suggest. If there has been no change in their life it is likely to be because they are still unsaved. God knows the heart though.
---Rita_H on 8/11/16


Rita H said, Some people might have faith in honest doubt but it isn't going to get them anywhere (well, not anywhere they want to go) is it?

Rita, my impression of your posts is that you have this one belief, that only by asking Jesus into your heart will you be saved. Is that correct? What happens to the person who goes down to every altar call and asks Jesus into her heart, and then lives like hell the rest of the week? Is she truly saved?

Honest doubt can sometimes be necessary, for discerning Gods will for your life. There have been times I have doubted my decision to accept tonsure. But my faith in Jesus remains strong.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/11/16


It depends on the person, Cluny.

Our Apostle Paul says we need >

"faith working through love" (in Galatians 5:6)

I think that in God's love proving Himself to us, we won't have much doubt (c:

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

If God cures us at the roots of our fears, this also can remove our personality torments which are rooted in fears. This can prove who God is.

So, yes, if ones are mainly concerned with their ideas, this can be evading all which faith is really about.
---Bill on 7/7/16


Who are we to think that we can enrich God with EFFORT/works?---faithforfaith on 6/17/16

Genesis 4:4 Abel, for his part, brought one of the best firstlings of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel.

God was so proud of Job He boosted to satan about him.

Job 2:8 "Have you noticed my servant Job, and that there is no one on earth like him. blameless and upright fearing God and AVOIDING EVIL?

That takes WORK AND EFFORT to avoid evil AND GOD IS PLEASED WHEN WE DO TAKE THE EFFORT TO AVOID EVIL just for HIM.

God takes delight in us working to loving Him.

Don't you take delight when your 5 year old made a greeting card just for you.?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/16




"What do you think of this idea?" Poetically Presumptuous.
---josef on 6/18/16


God has no need of ANYTHING (including our works/deeds/effort). Acts 17 says "as if He needed anything").

Galatians 3:28 says that if we live inside of His body SPIRITUALLY, we have no gender (no physical body,..."neither male nor female").

Who are we to think that we can enrich God with EFFORT/works?
---faithforfaith on 6/17/16


God gave us a body for a reason.
We are not Angels.

What or how are we to love God with our WHOLE mind, spirit BODY and soul?

How do we worship God with our bodies without works?

God Himself demands works as fruits of our worship of Him.

BTW, God said while you are working or resting. That's means all the time to me.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/16


\\YOU CAN'T fool God nor can you impress Him with you WANT to believe/do.
---faithforfaith on 6/15/16\\

And you think YOU can fooll Him or impress Him, fff?

As it is written, "Be doers o f the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

To DO the Word means a LIFESTYLE!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/16


YOU CAN'T fool God nor can you impress Him with you WANT to believe/do.--faithforfaith on 6/15/16

Oh yes you can.
You can impress Jesus with simple TRUST.

Trusting Him even if you sincerely trust Him in a wrongful manner.

Jesus Loves it so much when we trust Him, He will correct our ignorant ideas.

Just because we trust Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/16




\\ God did not accept what they did to honor Him nor did He accept their thanks. It\\

God DOES accept how the Eastern Orthodox believe, worship Him, and pray.

Furthermore, He told me to tell you that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/16


An Eastern Orthodox lifestyle is MAN'S ideology, not God's.

You have the scriptures and KNOW God just as the Romans had scriptures,....BUT God did not accept what they did to honor Him nor did He accept their thanks. It says in Romans that they "KNEW God", but God did not accept what they did.

YOU CAN'T fool God nor can you impress Him with you WANT to believe/do.
---faithforfaith on 6/15/16


Faith for faith said, "So whatever you "believe", you must TRULY/sincerely live/follow your dreams and discover God's truth (right or wrong, you will be honoring Him the best you can,...IF you have been brave).

No courage, no honor."


How about if I TRULY, REALLY believe in an Eastern Catholic Monastic lifestyle? Would you call me brave in the face of so many nay-sayers on the CN blogs?

BTW, That's a really nice, warm and fuzzy thought that doesn't mean a whole lot.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/14/16


The word "FAITH" actually refers to LIFESTYLE CHARACTER (it had ALREADY saved the woman that Jesus spoke to...she didn't need to wait for Jesus on the cross because her spirit/attitude of peace and genuine caring was compatible with God's divine Spirit).

Luk 7:50
And he said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you, go in peace."

The woman might have believed many falsities, but she was ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.....

...is that your goal?
---faithforfaith on 6/14/16


Every human being MUST be true/faithful to what they SINCERELY 'believe' or were taught (this is the way of sincerity and justice),....

.....BUT courage to seek the real truth is integral with true sincerity.

In other words, if you truly LOVE God, you will be brave enough to defy the status quo of society in order to discover His truth.

So whatever you "believe", you must TRULY/sincerely live/follow your dreams and discover God's truth (right or wrong, you will be honoring Him the best you can,...IF you have been brave).

No courage, no honor.
---faithforfaith on 6/13/16


Some people might have faith in honest doubt but it isn't going to get them anywhere (well, not anywhere they want to go) is it?
---Rita_H on 6/13/16


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On the night Jesus was betrayed, he did not hop skip and jump in Gethsemane saying "Goody! God's plan of salvation is going exactly as planned!'. Rather, he was in anguish, enough to sweat blood. One does not express anguish or hesitation about something one has full faith in.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/16


"There is more faith in honest doubt than in half the creeds of the world..." ~ Tennyson

"Honest doubt" has weighty validity. Consider Doubting Thomas, John the Baptist, Gideon, Sarah & Abraham, etc. Who, but God, is qualified to look into the hearts of people & say one's creed is more faithful than another's?
---Leon on 6/12/16


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