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What Is Papal Infallibility

Papal Infallibility as a term has been used so often, but nobody seems to understand what it means.

What does the term mean to you?

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Michael E. said, "\\//michael e, please give the EXACT Bible verse that says salvation is by grace alone.//
"For by grace are ye saved (plus what?) through faith.."


Oh, but one of the Heroes of the Reformation said that he could add to (and take away from)the Scriptures to make it mean what he wanted it to mean.

I'm talking about Martin Luther.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/5/16


//The verse does NOT say "grace alone."//
My young friend, what would you add after grace?
---michael_e on 7/5/16


\\//michael e, please give the EXACT Bible verse that says salvation is by grace alone.//
"For by grace are ye saved (plus what?) through faith.."
---michael_e on 7/4/1\\

The verse does NOT say "grace alone."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/16


Brendan: "And I personally reject that God gave YOU the authority to say yea or nay to anything that is in the Bible"

And I agree with you. The Bible is its own expositor and the ONLY true infallible guide, especially when rightly divided. It is the unbiblical assertions of men that I object to.



---Jerry6593 on 7/5/16


What I remember, Monk, is that when the Pope officially declares a moral or theological statement to be infallible, then is when he is being infallible. But to other things he says are taken to carry great weight, since he is trusted to be prayerful about whatsoever he says.

But Jesus is the One who is always infallible. And His "sheep", even, not only His leaders, hear His voice > John 10:1-30.

But it is clear that there are high-up religious leaders who can not tell the difference between a pastor who ministers God's own love, versus a predator or con artist. This is very dangerous, then, if they do not have the ability to hear Jesus' infallible voice about whom He trusts to care for His people.
---Bill on 7/5/16




Monk said
//Personally, I don't even know if you have a wife, or if you ever beat her in the past, or continue to do so till this day//.

Good one Monk, that would be a good one for Jorge.
---michael_e on 7/4/16


\\In Psalms 111:9, it is clearly written it is HIS NAME, but you say it isn't.\\

Can't you grasp that "reverend" or others in other translations are being used as an ADJECTIVE and not a proper name of God?

If not, why not?

Maybe you need to adjust your tinfoil hat, Rob.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/16


//michael e, please give the EXACT Bible verse that says salvation is by grace alone.//
"For by grace are ye saved (plus what?) through faith.."
---michael_e on 7/4/16


Rob said, "Cluny, who should people believe?

What you say, or what is clearly written in Scripture?"


Both, as they are saying the same thing. I have known Cluny for more than 20 years, and he has helped me in my walk with Christ. And I can think of others that he has helped the same way
---Monk_Brendan on 7/4/16


Cluny, the Psalms were written in Hebrew and not Greek, (if I'm wrong, unlike you, I will accept correction).

In Psalms 111:9, it is clearly written it is HIS NAME, but you say it isn't.

Cluny, who should people believe?

What you say, or what is clearly written in Scripture?
---Rob on 7/4/16




Michael E. said, "I don't get it..."

Micheal, yes or no, have you stopped beating your wife? It is an understandable question, but it is awkward, if you say no, then I can jump back in and say something to the effect of "He can't be a good model of Christianity, as he is still beating his wife."

If you say yes, then I can say, "So you do admit it, you were a wife beater--not a good model of Christian love!"

Now do you get it?

Personally, I don't even know if you have a wife, or if you ever beat her in the past, or continue to do so till this day.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/4/16


Roab saiid, \\\\\Cluny, just as I thought. You are doing what is written in Romans 1:25.

First all, you spelled FOBERON wrong. It is spelled PHOBERON./////

Rob, my parents both speak Greek, and so do I! The correct spelling is Foberon, with an F
---Dementio on 7/4/16


Jerry said, "I personally reject this assertion."

And I personally reject that God gave YOU the authority to say yea or nay to anything that is in the Bible
---Monk_Brendan on 7/4/16


michael e, please give the EXACT Bible verse that says salvation is by grace alone.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/16


//And you cannot explain YOUR erroneous beliefs, michael e.//
My young friend I have no problem explaining my beliefs
Example
The Bible is accurate in its teaching.
Jesus was sinless.
Satan exists as a real being.
God is omnipotent and omniscient.
Salvation is by grace alone.

Paul teaches the front of the spiritual battle is within religion. (Gal 1:6).
Later he shows false teachers look like the apostles of Christ and ministers of righteousness (2 Cor 11:13-15).
If appearances can be deceiving, who do we trust? More importantly, what do we believe?
Learn what the Bible really says.
The answer is preaching Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery (Rom 16:25).
Erroneous? I think not.
---michael_e on 7/3/16


Papal Infallibility is the false notion that a mere man (in this case, the pope) can be mistake proof under certain circumstances (ex cathedra).

I personally reject this assertion.



---Jerry6593 on 7/4/16


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Monk, from your post, I see your definition of "shotgunning" is any belief that is not 100 % approved by the RCC...correct? I believe Calvin came by much of his doctrine from Augustine. And Luther never changed the bible. He simply UNDERSTOOD ROMANS, not rewrote Romans and wrote what some say the greatest book on faith to date. It seems you have some strange and wrong ideas , (probably something you were taught ) just as YOU object to the erroneous ideas Protestants have about the RCC.

Only God is infallible. No such thing as Papal infallibility no matter what you say it means. Many people believe their loved ones are in Hell because they ate meat on Friday. That is a FACT. Is that what you call Papal infallibility?????
---kathr4453 on 7/4/16


\\Evidently you can't explain your erroneous beliefs.
---michael_e on 7/3/16\\

And you cannot explain YOUR erroneous beliefs, michael e.

Rob, I stand against YOUR false doctrines and satanic Paganism, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/16


Monk said
//My old and venerable, have you stopped beating your wife, yet?//
I don't get it.
Evidently you can't explain your erroneous beliefs.
---michael_e on 7/3/16


Michael_e, please do not be passive or fall for what Monk Brendan wrote on 7:3:16.

Please take a STRONG and MAINTAIN a STAND for GOD and HIS TRUTH!

Please do not let others intimidate, sway, convince, bully, manipulate, etc, you into PAGANISM and HERESY!

I encourage you to stand firm in GOD'S TRUTH, and to MAINTAIN A STRONG STAND AGAINST SATAN, HIS LIES, AND HIS SERVANTS.

Scripture instructs us to study to show ourselves approved unto God, and too also search the Scriptures daily, to see if what is being said is indeed true.

There are some people on these blogs who are against you doing these things!
---Rob on 7/3/16


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YARE is not a name, but an adjective. Your insisting it's a personal name will not make it so. Were it indeed one, it would have been capitalized in English translation.

But it wasn't.

Furthermore, Greek speakers transliterate the Greek letter as F, not PH.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/16


Cluny, just as I thought. You are doing what is written in Romans 1:25.

First all, you spelled FOBERON wrong. It is spelled PHOBERON.

Second, you are doing what is written in Romans 1:25, by attempting to change the name YARE' for the word PHOBERON.
---Rob on 7/3/16


Michael E said, "Monk My young friends question was.
//how can you talk about "unscriptural ignorance?"//"


My old and venerable, have you stopped beating your wife, yet? And while we are at it, why did Luther edit the Bible to suit his theology? Why did John Calvin change his name from Jehan Cauvin? And who gave him the authority to create a new theology that allowed God to be mean and nasty to those He created, yet did not "elect?"

That is shotgunning, and that is what I was objecting to.

If you have a particular question, start a blog, and I will be happy to comment. But if you just want to assault me with words, go away, little boy, you bother me.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/3/16


Monk said
//This comment and question is what I call shotgunning.//
Monk My young friends question was.
//how can you talk about "unscriptural ignorance?"//
So a partial list of unscriptural ignorance. If you can't answer don't, fair enough
---michael_e on 7/2/16


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\\My young friend How is this scriptural?\\

A mass stipend originally was how much it cost to support the presbyter for one day.

And it IS scriptural to give to support our pastors. As St. Paul said, "If we sow to you heavenly things, it is unreasonable for us to reap your earthly things?" (words to that effect.)

He also quoted the commandment NOT to muzzle the mouths of the oxen that tread grain, and then asks rhetorically, "Was God's concern about oxen? Or is it for us?" meaning the ministers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/16


Michael E. said, " //A mass stipend today is about $10. You can see how a priest can get rich and fat on them.//
My young friend How is this scriptural?"


Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.Deut 25:4 KJV

At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it, for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the Lord, and it be sin unto thee. Deut 24:15 KJV

For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 1 Cor 9:9 KJV

Does God care about oxen? Not as much as he cares about humans, and a priest is a human being.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/2/16


//A mass stipend today is about $10. You can see how a priest can get rich and fat on them.//
My young friend How is this scriptural?
---michael_e on 7/1/16


\\Cluny, you want people to believe you are so educated and know it all.\\

You sure do hate being disagreed with and proved wrong, don't you?

I think you can deduce from the examples I gave from other translations--one of the OLDER than the KJV--what the Hebrew word in Psalm 111:9 is and what it REALLY means.

In the LXX, the Greek word here is FOBERON, which means fearful, terrifying, or awe-inspiring.

I admit I don't know it all, but it's obvious that most of what you know is wrong, Rob.

On the other hand, maybe the chem trails got to me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/16


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Michael said, "...
Peter as bishop at Antioch
Peter as bishop at Rome
Peter as the first pope
Lighting candles and buying masses for the dead, praying for souls in Purgatory, confessing sins to the priest, believing in apostolic succession and papal infallibility..."


This comment and question is what I call shotgunning. This is a tactic of a great many questions on these blogs, and by many Protestants when they want to try to rattle Catholics.

Michael, if you really want me to discuss all of these, then I suggest that you start a blog for each individual subject, and I will get to them as I am able. Fair enough?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/2/16


\\ Lighting candles and buying masses for the dead, praying for souls in Purgatory, confessing sins to the priest, believing in apostolic succession and papal infallibility.,\\


Nobody ever "bought a mass".

Mass stipends were and are part of a priest's support. A priest may not say more than ONE mass a day and accept a stipend. FURTHERMORE, there are some days--about 100 in the year--when he may NOT accept a stipend at all.

A mass stipend today is about $10. You can see how a priest can get rich and fat on them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/16


Cluny, you want people to believe you are so educated and know it all.

Cluny, in Hebrew, what is the name Reverend, what does it mean, and what is it's root?

Cluny, I'm waiting for your answer.

I want to see if you will tell the truth, or if you will do what is written in Romans 1:25.
---Rob on 7/1/16


//how can you talk about "unscriptural ignorance?//
My young friend you can read scripture and sing songs and still remain ignorant.
Peter as bishop at Antioch
Peter as bishop at Rome
Peter as the first pope
Lighting candles and buying masses for the dead, praying for souls in Purgatory, confessing sins to the priest, believing in apostolic succession and papal infallibility., Calling the Pope the Holy Father. etc. etc.
---michael_e on 7/1/16


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\\Cluny, according to what what is written in Scripture, is REVEREND merely an adjective, or is it written REVEREND is HIS NAME?\\

Rob, Psalm 111:9 does NOT have "reverend" capitalized. Therefore it is not a proper name of God, but merely an adjective.

For your information, here is the same passage in different versions:

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
holy and fearful is his Name.

Darby Translation (DARBY)
holy and terrible is his name.

Names of God Bible (NOG)
His name is holy and terrifying.

New King James Version (NKJV)
& #8232,Holy and awesome is His name.

Still think "reverend" is a proper name?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/16


Michael E. said, "You are wrong Monk, he is not a bad man, he is just a man, no better or worse. It's the unscriptural ignorance of the RCC."

Have you not seen how the Pope lives? He drives around in a Fiat (the Italian equivalent of a Honda Civic). He lives in an apartment in Vatican City instead of the Papal apartments.

And while one might think he controls all the money of the RCC, he doesn't. Instead, Pope Francis public persona indicates a person of simple tastes and humble lifestyle. He even worked as a chemical technician and nightclub bouncer before studying to be a priest, he was ordained in 1969 into the Jesuits, meantime teaching literature and psychology in high school.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/1/16


Cluny, according to what what is written in Scripture, is REVEREND merely an adjective, or is it written REVEREND is HIS NAME?
---Rob on 7/1/16


\\It's the unscriptural ignorance of the rcc\\

Since large portions of Scripture are read in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Catholic churches (not the same as the Orthodox Church) in the various services, not counting fixed Psalms that are sung, how can you talk about "unscriptural ignorance?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/1/16


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Monk said
//He is a BAD man//
You are wrong Monk, he is not a bad man, he is just a man, no better or worse. It's the unscriptural ignorance of the rcc.
---michael_e on 6/30/16


Michael E. said, "All the more reason for a self proclaimed spiritual leader to try to spread the gospel of Christ."

Okay Michael, this is becoming persecution at this point. I get you don't like the Pope. You don't believe him to be saved, or guided by the Holy Spirit, etc. He is a BAD man.

WE get it. Please join the real conversation instead of whining about something you can't change.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/30/16


Monk said
//And with 1.2 BILLION people, the Catholic Communion of Churches is the largest Christian Denomination in the world.//
All the more reason for a self proclaimed spiritual leader to try to spread the gospel of Christ.
---michael_e on 6/30/16


\\I wonder how many people know the Name REVEREND, is found ONLY ONCE in all of Scripture!\\

That's only in the KJV. Other translations use different words.

I know the place you mean, and REVEREND is still not a name, as you keep insisting. It's merely an adjective.

The passage does NOT mean that "Reverend" is another name for God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/16


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Cluny, believe it or not, I LOVE IT when we agree on something!

Concerning the name Reverend, most people are clueless about the Name.

Whenever I hear someone call a person REVEREND, I cringe.

Whenever anyone calls me REVEREND, I correct them, tell them to never call me that, and share from Scripture the Name REVEREND.

I wonder how many people know the Name REVEREND, is found ONLY ONCE in all of Scripture!
---Rob on 6/29/16


\\What would you have to say?
---michael_e on 6/27/16\\

I would speak as the Lord led me.

nicole, "Rev." is NOT a title but an adjective, and should not be used with just the surname.

If you want to call him by his title, then use Dr.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/16


Michael E. said, "My young friend IOW, If I were a church leader as Jorge is supposed to be, speaking to congress they would hear about the Lord Jesus Christ."

My old and venerable, Pope Francis (Jorge) IS a church leader, and you are not.

And with 1.2 BILLION people, the Catholic Communion of Churches is the largest Christian Denomination in the world. Compare that with 966 million for ALL of the Post Reformation Christian denominations. If you don't like him, what does the Bible tell you to do?

Pray for him. Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you, Matt 5:44 KJV
---Monk_Brendan on 6/28/16


/IOW, michael e, you are saying that you do NOT talk about Jesus to every individual you meet or every group you address//
My young friend IOW, If I were a church leader as Jorge is supposed to be, speaking to congress they would hear about the Lord Jesus Christ.
If I were a politician ( (maybe popes are better at that) then it would be politics.
What would you have to say?
---michael_e on 6/27/16


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My young friend, if I was a church leader as Jorge is supposed to be,..--michael_e on 6/27/16

Jealous as well?

You must be young yourself.

I wouldn't call Billy Graham 'Billy'.

I would call him by his title REV.
Rev. Graham, not by his first name either.

He isn't my Rev, but he is Rev to many good people.

Of course, I am Catholic and was taught to show respect to other people's leaders.

I guess you didn't learn that in your Sunday classes.

Nor, did your parents teach you respect.

I wouldn't dare disrespect my parents, nor my Church community and esp. NOT JESUS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/16


michael_e:

You wrote: My young friend, if I was a church leader as Jorge is supposed to be, invited to speak to congress, you could bet everything you have or could borrow, it would be "Christ and him crucified" not politics and global warming. What would you have to say?

If congress invites someone to speak, it is on subjects that are of interest to congress, like global warming. By the First Amendment establishment clause, that precludes religious subjects, since even if the members might be individually interested to hear religious subjects, they are forbidden by law from acting upon them. The pope is invited in his role as head of state of the Vatican (i.e. his political position), not head of a church.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/16


Rob said, "Not once in that transcript, did the so called pope mention CHRIST OR SHARE THE GOSPEL!!!!!"

Oh, Rob, on this I will agree. I was so disappointed in his address to Congress.

But please remember, Pope Francis was visiting as the head of a sovereign state. It was not in the purview of his address to preach the Gospel, or talk about Jesus, the Cross, or anything like that. To be allowed back in the country required a bit of restraint upon his part.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/27/16


StrongAxe said, "Do you honor to the founder if Islam by referring to him as "The Prophet Mohammed"? If not, how would that differ from Michael not honoring someone he doesn't believe has a divine authority either?"

When I speak of Jews, I do not call them rag-pickers or k*k*s, or any of the other slanderous words that some use. I can't use the word here, without being moderated

I do not reference Muslims as Mohammedans, rag-heads, sheet-heads etc.

I even go so far as to avoid BVM (Black Veiled Monster) for Catholic Nuns
---Monk_Brendan on 6/27/16


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Cluny said, " michael e, do you talk about Jesus to everyone you meet, or every group you might address?"

I do! Every chance I get. It might be as small as saying God bless you. I even say to Muslims during Ramadan, "May you have a fruitful fast." Which means that in their prayers and fasting they might be drawn closer to Christ. (My meaning)
---Monk_Brendan on 6/27/16


IOW, michael e, you are saying that you do NOT talk about Jesus to every individual you meet or every group you address.

Why do you censure the Pope for not doing the same thing you admit you do not do?

This is what Proverbs 20:10 calls "diverse weights and measures"--a double standard--and says it's an ABOMINATION!

Pray that God may forgive you of your abomination.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/16


//michael e, do you talk about Jesus to everyone you meet, or every group you might address?//
My young friend, if I was a church leader as Jorge is supposed to be, invited to speak to congress, you could bet everything you have or could borrow, it would be "Christ and him crucified" not politics and global warming. What would you have to say?
---michael_e on 6/27/16


..so called pope..---Rob on 6/27/16

Seems you are upset that you are NOT Pope?

If I disagree with the President it doesn't mean he isn't the President.

If he stole the election, it still doesn't mean he isn't the President.

It only states how I feel he became the President. But he is still the President.

So the man is the Pope rather you like it or not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/16


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Cluny, as I said I do not know the name of the Pope. I heard this story from Protestants who BELIEVE in the story.

Strongaxe, it matters if you believe something and someone can still prove you wrong.

Protestants believes this story proves their point and I say it proves GOD is in CHARGE!

You have such little Trust in Jesus.

Jesus said the "..gates of hell shall NOT prevail..

Why don't you believe in the God who you claim is your LORD AND SAVIOR???
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/16


Michael_e, and StrongAxe, on 6/26/16, AMEN to you both!!!
---Rob on 6/27/16


Michael_e, so far you are correct.

There are many transcripts concerning the so called pope addressing congress.

So far, I have only read one transcript.

Not once in that transcript, did the so called pope mention CHRIST OR SHARE THE GOSPEL!!!!!
---Rob on 6/27/16


michael e, do you talk about Jesus to everyone you meet, or every group you might address?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/16


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Monk said
//My ancient and venerable friend, why do you say that? Do you not believe Jesus' Word?//
Monk apparently you never heard him when he spoke to congress.
It was the first time in catholic history that a Pope addressed the Congress of the US.
This man claims apostolic authority from Christ, and claims to be his vicar on earth, The leader of the catholic church yet no mention in his transcript of the Lord Jesus Christ.
They could have heard the same thing from al sharpton
---michael_e on 6/26/16


Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: BTW, from now on, please address him as Pope Francis.

Do you honor to the founder if Islam by referring to him as "The Prophet Mohammed"? If not, how would that differ from Michael not honoring someone he doesn't believe has a divine authority either?
---StrongAxe on 6/27/16


Michael E. said, "Jorge had no salvation message unless salvation comes from policies, politics, and less pollution.
Maybe, too much is expected from a confused churchman."


My ancient and venerable friend, why do you say that? Do you not believe Jesus' Word?

BTW, from now on, please address him as Pope Francis.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/16


michael_e:

You wrote: Peter spoke to political leaders of his day, proclaiming the need for faith in Jesus Christ as King
Paul preached to political leaders the power of the gospel of Christ to resurrect dead men (Acts 26:28-29, Acts 17:30-31). But, Paul isn't the Popes pattern.
Jorge had no salvation message unless salvation comes from policies, politics, and less pollution.
Maybe, too much is expected from a confused churchman.


Pollution is important. It's hard to preach people and save them when they are dead.

But Peter and Paul also preached on issues of policy that had nothing directly to do with salvation, including diet (e.g. what foods may be eaten), fashion (e.g. women's head covering) and so on.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/16


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Monk said
//Papal infallibility means that when a pope is speaking from the chair of St. Peter. on an issue of faith and morals, to be held by the whole Church, he is guided by the Holy Spirit, and is unable to issue heresy or apostasy.//
Monk did you not hear Jorge speak to the US congress?
Peter spoke to political leaders of his day, proclaiming the need for faith in Jesus Christ as King
Paul preached to political leaders the power of the gospel of Christ to resurrect dead men (Acts 26:28-29, Acts 17:30-31). But, Paul isn't the Popes pattern.
Jorge had no salvation message unless salvation comes from policies, politics, and less pollution.
Maybe, too much is expected from a confused churchman.
---michael_e on 6/26/16


\\Josef, a Protestant friend told me a story of a Pope translating the Bible from Greek to Latin and planning to make it the official Bible. He planned to pronounce it an infallible translation.\\

Nicole, which Pope was this supposed to be?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: The night before declaring the pronouncement he died.
I don't know if this story is true, it doesn't matter.

Protestants believes his death proves Popes are not infallible.

Catholics believes his death PROVES Papal Infallibility.


To the contrary, it does very much matter if the story is true or not, because a story that isn't true is incapable of proving anything, one way or other, despite people who erroneously believe it can do so - in the same way that reading Harry Potter cannot possibly provide any factual evidence about the reality of magic.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/16


Thank you for your response to my inquiry Monk Brendan.
---Josef on 6/24/16


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Josef, a Protestant friend told me a story of a Pope translating the Bible from Greek to Latin and planning to make it the official Bible. He planned to pronounce it an infallible translation.

The night before declaring the pronouncement he died.
I don't know if this story is true, it doesn't matter.

Protestants believes his death proves Popes are not infallible.

Catholics believes his death PROVES Papal Infallibility.

The Holy Spirit ALWAYS guides the Church the right path.
Even from Her Popes.

Since Jesus said "Whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven"
The ONLY thing to do was to take his life before he bound something in error on earth causing a covenant commitment in Heaven.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/16


Josef said, "Do you actually believe that? If so why?"

My understanding of Scripture has it that when Jesus promised the guidance of the Holy Spirit on the Church, He did not set a time limit.

In other words, Always means just that, always.

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Matt 28:18-20 KJV
---Monk_Brendan on 6/24/16


"If you really want to know when papal infallibility applies, read PASTOR AETERNUS, giving its official definition. ---Cluny on 6/23/16"
Monk your response should directed to the one who made the statement.
"Papal infallibility means that when a pope is speaking from the chair of St. Peter, on an issue of faith and morals, to be held by the whole Church, he is guided by the Holy Spirit, and is unable to issue heresy or apostasy.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/24/16"

Do you actually believe that? If so why?
---Josef on 6/24/16


Joseph said, "If you really want to know when papal infallibility applies, read PASTOR AETERNUS, giving its official definition."

Pastor Aeternus was written by Pius IX, otherwise known as Pio Nono. It was published in 1870, written by a man who had an inflated opinion of himself. Pastor Aeternus is not an infallible teaching

Papal infallibility means that when a pope is speaking from the chair of St. Peter, on an issue of faith and morals, to be held by the whole Church, he is guided by the Holy Spirit, and is unable to issue heresy or apostasy.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/24/16


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If you really want to know when papal infallibility applies, read PASTOR AETERNUS, giving its official definition. Cluny I was simply following your suggestion to ask,"when, papal infallibility actually applies", thinking perhaps, there was something that I was missing, or not quite understanding, and that perhaps, you could clue me in. I already know, and have stated it's "offical definition". And as far as I know there is no biblical application.
---Josef on 6/23/16


\\Cluny, when does "papal infallibility" actually apply?.
---Josef on 6/23/1\\

Josef, as I've repeatedly said, I'm ORTHODOX and not Roman Catholic.

If you really want to know when papal infallibility applies, read PASTOR AETERNUS, giving its official definition.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/16


Josef, do you believe that the individual Christian has the right to interpret Scripture for himself? Cluny I do not think scripture needs to be interpreted, but rather understood. I believe understanding comes through our Father's word. I believe that if we continue in His word, we will come to know the truth, and that truth, received via the Spirit of Truth, will set us free. If nobody is infallible, then how does that person know his interpretation is the correct one? By the freedom one experiences in Christ, knowing that Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life, and that no man come to the Father, but by Him. Not by any works of righteousness, that we have done, but rather by the renewing regeneration of His Spirit.
---Josef on 6/23/16


Cluny, when does "papal infallibility" actually apply?.
---Josef on 6/23/16


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\\no human is infallible,\\

Josef, do you believe that the individual Christian has the right to interpret Scripture for himself?

If nobody is infallible, then how does that person know his interpretation is the correct one?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/16


"What does the term mean to you?" To me it is a term that contradicts itself, with the understanding that no human is infallible, regardless of his "official postion".
The simple definition as defined by Merriam-Webster is that it is "the Roman Catholic belief that the pope cannot be wrong when using his official position of power to give instructions about Christian faith or morals.
The full definition is that it is "the Roman Catholic doctrine that the pope cannot err when speaking ex cathedra in defining a doctrine of Christian faith or morals"
Personally I have no idea what this doctrine or belief could be based upon, biblically.
---Josef on 6/21/16


Better to ask when "papal infallibility" actually applies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/16


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