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Are These The Last Days

Are we living in the last days?

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1 Thessaloniains 5:4 But ye Brethren are not in darkness , that that day should overtake you as a thief ,

Matthew 24:37 But As the days of Noe were , so shall also the coming of the Son of Man,

---------- > Luke 17:26 And as it
was in the days of Noe , So shall it be also in the days of the Son Of Man , ---------->

Matthew 25 - parable the ten virgins
---RichardC on 8/9/16


Many claim we are living in the last days. But there's a slight delay. Something else is happening.
Many pointing out rumours of wars have no problem having children, despite Jesus teaching in,(Matt 24:19, 21)
Jesus warns against family planning in the last days.
This topic requires careful study and right division. (1 Tim 5:14)
Paul states marriage and children are good things.
A difference in context, proving the need to rightly divide prophecy from mystery.
Matt 24 isn't written about us, most likely written about Israel going into the prophesied tribulation. We're living in a time that's been kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25). This is a fundamental difference in the way you study the scripture.
---michael_e on 8/8/16


By "last days", people can mean different things. In any case, Jesus says, "be ready" > Matthew 24:44, Luke 12:40. Being ready is not only things to do, but how to be. I consider >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

"that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love" (in Ephesians 1:4)

This comes with seeking our Father for His correction > Hebrews 12:4-11.
---Bill on 7/19/16


\\Where is the U-turn?\\

According to pre-trib dispensationalism, Jesus does the U-turn.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/16


Yes, we are living in the last days. The last days began with the resurrection of Christ.
---john1944 on 7/18/16




//It's the pre-trib Rapture that's the U-turn theory.//
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
Where is the U-turn?
You say
//Well, you don't exactly seem to respect me.//
Then add//By doing anything you don't.//
Do you call that respect?
You are a little older than my oldest child.
---michael_e on 7/18/16


\\My young friend, are you sticking with your erroneous u-turn theory?\\

It's the pre-trib Rapture that's the U-turn theory.

//You don't actually think I despise your youth, do you?\\

Well, you don't exactly seem to respect me. How old are you?

\\BTW how do you rightly divide the word of truth??\\

By doing anything you don't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/16


//I AM saying that their reading of scripture and what they gleaned from it was as wrong as yours or that of Dispensationalists who think there will be a pre-trib rapture and literal earthly millennium.//
My young friend, are you sticking with your erroneous u-turn theory?
//BTW, My Bible says, "Let no man despise thy youth," though 65 is not exactly young.//
You don't actually think I despise your youth, do you?
BTW how do you rightly divide the word of truth??
---michael_e on 7/15/16


**//This is precisely what they had gleaned from their reading of the Scripture//
So my young friend, apparently from your point of view, the scripture is wrong and they would have been better off reading your traditions?
**

No, old man, I'm not saying that.

I AM saying that their reading of scripture and what they gleaned from it was as wrong as yours or that of Dispensationalists who think there will be a pre-trib rapture and literal earthly millennium.

Can you tell the difference? Or have you forgotten to take your Prevagen?

BTW, My Bible says, "Let no man despise thy youth," though 65 is not exactly young.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/16


//This is precisely what they had gleaned from their reading of the Scripture//
So my young friend, apparently from your point of view, the scripture is wrong and they would have been better off reading your traditions?
---michael_e on 7/12/16




Michael E. said, "No my young friend, they didn't know the scripture.. They expected a king, instead of a man on a donkey."

WHAT? They didn't know the Scripture? Even I knew Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation, lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. (KJV)
---Monk_Brendan on 7/12/16


michael e, if the Scribes and Pharisees did NOT know the Scriptures, why did Jesus tell His followers that since they sat in Moses's seat, people should do what they said?

Please explain, old man.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/16


**//He came, He didn't follow their agenda, and so they rejected Him.//
No my young friend, they didn't know the scripture.. They expected a king, instead of a man on a donkey.
---michael_e on 7/11/16**

Wrong, old man.

This is precisely what they had gleaned from their reading of the Scripture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/12/16


//He came, He didn't follow their agenda, and so they rejected Him.//
No my young friend, they didn't know the scripture.. They expected a king, instead of a man on a donkey.
---michael_e on 7/11/16


As I recall, the Bible experts of 2000 years ago had it worked out according to their reading and study of the Scriptures what the Messiah would do when He appeared.

He came, He didn't follow their agenda, and so they rejected Him.

I recommend that we don't repeat the same mistakes the Scribes and Pharisees made.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/16


Monk said
//Christ is now with us. And the only Mystery that He doesn't know is the day and hour of His second coming//
Here is a mystery you need to understand.
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery, (as I wrote afore in few words,4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
---michael_e on 7/10/16


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Michael E. said, "My young friend, Deut 29:29 doesn't agree with your erroneous statement, you should stop trying to limit God.
Instead of using the mouths of his holy prophets as a source of support, Paul says his message was kept secret from those prophets(Rom 16:25)"


I do not limit God. I cannot! He is God, and I am only His creation.

But all of the OT verses you gave me are in the OT for a reason. Christ had not yet come.

Christ is now with us. And the only Mystery that He doesn't know is the day and hour of His second coming.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/10/16


My young friend, Deut 29:29 doesn't agree with your erroneous statement, you should stop trying to limit God.
Instead of using the mouths of his holy prophets as a source of support, Paul says his message was kept secret from those prophets(Rom 16:25)
Paul had no doctrinal history to appeal to, since his mystery message was hid from ages and generations.(Col 1:26)
Paul says he was the first to take part in the blessings of this new dispensation from God.(1 Tim 1:16)
Paul claims authority over the disciples ministry as he pronounces himself to have laid the foundation.(1 Cor 3:10)
---michael_e on 7/10/16


\\Michael E. said, God is capable of keeping a secret unti he chooses to reveal it.\\

That's been said by every heretic from Cerinthus to Charles Taze Russel to Sun Myung Moon and beyond.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/16


Michael E. said, 1 Cor 1:11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Michael, lets try a little remedial Math. If 1+2=3, then 2+1=3. If A=B and B=C, then A=C Simple, isnt it. Paul is saying, in effect, I follow Jesus, Do the same as I am doing, and follow Jesus.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/16


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Michael E. said, God is capable of keeping a secret unti he chooses to reveal it.
Deut 29:29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Rom 11:25, 16:25, Eph 3:9 Monk. please try reading before writing


All of the verses you have given me are about the MYSTERY OF CHRIST, which has been revealed in the Bible, and also in Himself.

I will admit that I do not know all the mind of God. No HUMAN CAN!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/16


Monk said
//There is no Mystery! God's plan was fully revealed in the Bible.//
Of course it is fully revealed, it was progressively revealed.
Had it all been revealed the disciples would not have been ignorant about why Christ had to die and tried to prevent it.
Many churches wont teach you why they practice age old traditions with no Biblical foundation.
All of this results in more people who are deceived about salvation and remain ignorant of what the Bible actually says.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN,
The Bible is the final word.
---michael_e on 7/9/16


Michael E. said, "Not really, you have proven your ignorance of right division."

And you have proven your ignorance of the Bible and God's plan for us all. There is no Mystery! God's plan was fully revealed in the Bible.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/16


Michael E. said, "Did Jorge tell you that?
God is capable of keeping a secret unti he chooses to reveal it."


No, Jorge Bergolio (AKA Pope Francis) did not tell me that. He didn't need to. It was something I learned while Pope John XXIII was in office, and HE didn't tell me, either.

Gnosticism (only a special hidden [mysterious] knowledge will save you), has been condemned by several of the Ecumenical Councils.

If you had read them, you would know that.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/16


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Monk said
//God's Mystery purpose? Did you know that there is a very old name for that? Gnosticism!//
Did Jorge tell you that?
God is capable of keeping a secret unti he chooses to reveal it.
Deut 29:29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Rom 11:25, 16:25, Eph 3:9 Monk. please try reading before writing
---michael_e on 7/9/16


Monk said
// do I need to go on?//
Not really, you have proven your ignorance of right division.
It's odd that people think they can follow Jesus when the Bible says he is seated in heavenly places (Eph 1:20).
In Matt-John, people literally followed Jesus across Israel. How do you follow him today. Seated in heavenly places, the Lord isn't going anywhere at the moment, and neither are those who claim to be following him.
However, he sent an apostle to minister instructions in his place.
The Lords apostle to the Gentiles instructs US.
1 Cor 1:11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
---michael_e on 7/9/16


Brendan: "I know that a lot of the people on these blogs don't believe I even AM a Christian, and some believe that I am not because God has not elected me."

I believe that you ARE a Christian because you love Jesus. I didn't know that God held elections to make salvational judgments. I don't believe that anyone has the right to judge someone's salvation - even their own. That is God's job alone, and to usurp God's job is blasphemy.


---Jerry6593 on 7/9/16


Jerry6593 wrote: "You said that there is much prophecy to be fulfilled yet. What prophecy?"

The destruction of Damascus, for one. Damascus has been an important city for over five thousand years. It has never been destroyed. It's prophesied that this city will be completely destroyed in the end days.

The division of Israel, Jerusalem in particular is another prophesy yet to be fulfilled. Even today, it is being planned to be divided.
---Steveng on 7/9/16


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Michael E. said, "Jesus instructs us to identify Paul as our pattern (1 Tim 1:16, 1 Cor 4:16, 1 Cor 11:1)."

WRONG!!!!!

Jesus instructs us to follow HIM as our pattern (Matt 8:22, Matt 9:9, Matt 16:24, Matt 19:21, Mark 10:21,) do I need to go on?

Learn Who you are supposed to be following before you try to point the way yourself.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/16


Michael E. said, "The most important distinction in your Bible is the right division between Gods Mystery purpose, kept secret since the world began, and Gods Prophecy purpose, which had been spoken since the world began"

God's Mystery purpose? Did you know that there is a very old name for that? Gnosticism! And it was proclaimed a heresy. It stood against Christian teaching, not only because it contradicts Genesis 1:31 ("And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good") and other scriptures, but because it denies the Incarnation.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/9/16


Nicole Lacey thank you,that is a very interesting example. This isn't really about that but a blessing to me. My Step-Grandpa couldn't read and he wanted to read the Bible so much so he prayed God would let him read the Bible. God answered his prayer and he could read the Bible but not regular books.
---Darlene_1 on 7/9/16


Samuelbb7, did you know that Psalm 1:1 is seen as a Messianic prophecy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/16


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If a person studies the Bible to only prove themselves right then they will only succeed in proving they were right all along.

When we study the Bible to find the will of GOD and seek his will then we will understand the Bible.

Psalms 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/8/16


The most important distinction in your Bible is the right division between Gods Mystery purpose, kept secret since the world began, and Gods Prophecy purpose, which had been spoken since the world began (Acts 3:19-21 vs. Rom 16:25).
Understanding the mystery of Christ revealed to Paul for us clears up the theological confusion that is created by blending Prophecy and Mystery doctrines.
Jesus instructs us to identify Paul as our pattern (1 Tim 1:16, 1 Cor 4:16, 1 Cor 11:1). Failure to operate according to the Lords revelations to Paul leads to frustration with denominational traditions, Consider the Lords revelation to Paul and get some answers (2 Tim 2:7).
---michael_e on 7/8/16


Cluny you said the verse study to show yourself approved,study doesn't mean to study books,please tell me what it does mean then?---Darlene_1 on 7/5/16

Many people today can't read but are still called studied men.

One can study men's behaviors and hear God's Blessed Words.

They have godly common sense.

Many Black Slaves couldn't read and didn't own a Bible.
But, they were still wise and had funny common sense sayings such as:

'Even Slaves have shoes in heaven.'

They study their surroundings and knew deep down what is truly right and wrong no matter what their master told them what was right or wrong.

I believe that is what Cluny is trying to convey.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/8/16


"...explain "right division please?"

Rightly dividing is understanding what GOD wants us to believe.

That means that it is not up for individual interpretation. Knowing what God want requires first, gaining the mind of Christ, and walking in the Holy Spirit.

I know that a lot of the people on these blogs don't believe I even AM a Christian, and some believe that I am not because God has not elected me.

I find all of those thoughts about me not only un-Christ-like, but hurtful to your own souls, as that is a judgment that you have made based on your partial understanding of a few verses in the Bible, and not a wide knowledge of the whole Bible, "Apocrypha" and all.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/8/16


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Monk said
Yes, I do!
Monk would you explain "right division please?
---michael_e on 7/7/16


Michael E. said, "My young friend, do you see an instance of the scribes and Pharisees showing any sense of right division?"

Yes, I do! And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation, And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. Jn 11:49-52 KJV
---Monk_Brendan on 7/7/16


//michael e, the Scribes and Pharisees studied the Scriptures intensely//
My young friend, do you see an instance of the scribes and Pharisees showing any sense of right division?
BTW you never answered as to how you "rightly divide the word od truth"
---michael_e on 7/7/16


\\I have my young friend, and it's very plain that in order to know how to "rightly divide the word of truth" you must study.\\

michael e, the Scribes and Pharisees studied the Scriptures intensely.

Did they receive God's approval thereby?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/7/16


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//michael e, please look up "study" in a dictionary to get its various meanings//
I have my young friend, and it's very plain that in order to know how to "rightly divide the word of truth" you must study.
BTW you never answered as to how you "rightly divide the word od truth"
---michael_e on 7/6/16


\\ I have always thought it to mean to study the Bible and learn the Word and equip myself to obey God therefore to gain His approval. Obedience is better than sacrifice.\\

Are not both Bible reading and obedience works?

michael e, please look up "study" in a dictionary to get its various meanings.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/16


Cluny you said the verse study to show yourself approved,study doesn't mean to study books,please tell me what it does mean then? I have always thought it to mean to study the Bible and learn the Word and equip myself to obey God therefore to gain His approval. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
---Darlene_1 on 7/5/16


//The word "study" here does not mean academic application.//
My young friend what else does your commentary reveal?
---michael_e on 7/5/16


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\\Our apostle Paul says "study to show thyself approved unto God,"\\

The word "study" here does not mean academic application.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/16


Brendan: "why should we be worrying about end times?"

Who's worrying? We should all be excited that Jesus is coming back soon. You said that there is much prophecy to be fulfilled yet. What prophecy? Show me from Scripture please.


---Jerry6593 on 7/5/16


//In other words, you're spouting non-Biblical verbiage//
My young friend, I didn't think you spent a lot of time studying.
Our apostle Paul says "study to show thyself approved unto God,"
This is what you call non-Biblical verbiage?
Try studying, my young friend.
---michael_e on 7/4/16


Jerry said, "Jesus foretold the signs of the time as "wars and rumors of wars", "and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places"

Jerry, please pay attention to this: In Mark 13:6-7 (KJV) Jesus said, "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be, but the end shall not be yet.

Now if Jesus tells us that wars and rumors of wars are not to be worried about, then why should we be worrying about end times?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/4/16


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\\// what on earth does "mystery dispensation" mean, and where is this expression found in the Bible?//
My young friend, it will take some study.\\

In other words, you're spouting non-Biblical verbiage.

That's what I thought.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/16


// what on earth does "mystery dispensation" mean, and where is this expression found in the Bible?//
My young friend, it will take some study.
(Col 1:25-26)
Paul was saved by Gods grace and was chosen to make known the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of this mystery.
(Rom 16:25)
It was kept secret from the prophets that Gentile salvation would occur through Israels fall (Rom 11:25). Also kept secret was the new body of believers that was being created which was separate from the elect nation of Israel (Eph 3:6).
Instead of an age of law and prophecy, we live in the dispensation of grace which had been hid in God from the foundation of the world (Eph 3:9).
---michael_e on 7/4/16


Brendan: "Linda, we are not close to the end of the world. There is too much prophecy that needs to be fulfilled yet."

I disagree. The only prophecies yet to be fulfilled are the 7 last plagues, the time of trouble and the coming of Jesus.

Jesus foretold the signs of the time as "wars and rumors of wars", "and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places", "as in the days of Noah" (the hearts of mankind were only evil continually), "as in the days of Lot" (sexual perversion was rampant). You'd have to be blind not to see these signs as indicative of today!



---Jerry6593 on 7/4/16


Linda you have received both yes and no answers to your question, both are correct. Yes or no would depend upon the context in which the term is used, and the biblical time frame being referenced. So please embrace your view, it is as solid as any.
---joseph on 7/4/16


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michael e, what on earth does "mystery dispensation" mean, and where is this expression found in the Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/16


We the body of Christ are not living in the times of prophecy, but in a mystery dispensation. Therefore, we are not living in the end times.
We will not go through the millennium, we are not looking for Israels tribulation, nor are we looking for Israels restoration.
Instead we operate according to the mystery of Christ, doing our ministry as ambassadors and waiting for the mystery coming of the Lord to remove the church so that he can fulfill his prophecy and promises with Israel.
---michael_e on 7/3/16


Yes, we are living in the end days, but, of course, people, including christians, will not recognize the signs because they are living through it. Times and events are happening ever so quickly. Satan knows he has only a short time left in the world and he is doing everything he can to deceive and destroy God's creation. Look what's happening in Europe, South America, Africa, China and Russia. How can Americans be so vain to think it won't happen there? All of nature, including man and beast, is in turmoil. Love has practically evaporated from the face of the world. Increase of racism and killings have increased tremendously over the past five years. Even the animal kingdom is becoming more violent.
---Steveng on 7/3/16


Linda, we are not close to the end of the world. There is too much prophecy that needs to be fulfilled yet.

I wouldn't worry about the "end times" until a building permit is made for the building of the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

And that won't happen until the Jews and Muslims reach some sort of agreement about religious sites on Temple Mount.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/3/16


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According to Acts 2, St. Peter said at Pentecost that the last days started THEN.

We've been in the last days since about 2000 years ago.

Whether these are the last days of the late great Planet Earth, only God knows.

But I know that at my age, THESE are my last days, and I know that either at the Parousia or the moment of my Death, the Lord will summon me.

To invert a modern proverb, "Today is the last day of the first part of your life."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/16


"Are we living in the last days?" No.
"It shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house [Zion] shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it." This applies to the millennia reign of Jesus. It is during that time that humans will be living in "the last days".
---joseph on 7/3/16


Yes, relatively speaking, time is running out on us all. Make haste to do the will of God while there's time.
---Leon on 7/2/16


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