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Are 10 Commandments Changed

Did the RCC rewrite the 10 Commandments, leaving off the 2nd Commandment, and making the 10th Commandment into 2 separate Commandments? And Why?

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Nicole_Lacey:

Amish don't proselytize, so non-white Amish would be rare.


Jerry6593:

You are a typical liberal - always playing the victim. I said the other guy (MarkV) was the plague - not you.

And you demolish straw men. I don't whine "Boo hoo! You hurt my feeling again!". I say "Throwing childish insults at other people (MarkV or me or anyone else) is not Christ-like".

What group(s) I associate with is not relevant to these discussions, as I speak for myself and not others. If I mention a denomination, steveng condemns me. If I don't, you condemn me. I can't win, so I won't try.

Cluny can deal with my unorthodoxy as I can deal with his Orthodoxy :)
---StrongAxe on 8/9/16


I just think that we should have laws to make it illegal for the crazies and those who might be terrorists.---Samuelbb7

Either you are crazy or a terrorist.

You can't be both.
BTW, it is illegal for mentally disturb people to purchase a gun. Criminals do not obey laws and are willing to sale guns to people with mental issues.

It's against the law for anyone under 21 years of age to purchase alcohol, but many them still manage to get alcohol.
Many underage drinkers get DUIs and killer thousands of people a year. (including themselves). Kills more innocent people than guns.

But, I have never heard a Democrat or a Celebrity person asking the government to ban alcohol. Or pass 'safe alcohol control' laws.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/9/16


I would easily be called a racist if I said "white people do this", Germans do that", "black people are this", or "Chinese are that." But I guess it's ok for you.---micha9344

Micha, are you saying ALL AMISH people are WHITE?

Amish is a RELIGIOUS LIFE STYLE not a race.

Are you claiming Black, Chinese or Hispanics people CAN'T be Amish?

Sorry, but I have seen Black Amish people.
I guess you haven't, so WHO IS the racist?

I never saw a Chinese Amish person, but I wouldn't be foolish enough to believe there isn't one just because I never seen one.

BTW, the Amish people try to live a PRIVATE simple lives for God. They don't allow pictures or videos of their faces.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/9/16


The place many are slaughtered by machetes in Africa.

Not Europe.

I have no problem with honest people having guns. I just think that we should have laws to make it illegal for the crazies and those who might be terrorists.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/9/16


Mark the Axe: "Plagued?! Again, with ad-hominem attacks."

You are a typical liberal - always playing the victim. I said the other guy (MarkV) was the plague - not you. The simple answer was "No". Meanwhile, you neglected the other questions:

Are you ashamed of your denomination?

What will your pal Cluny think of your statement: "I am unorthodox."?


---Jerry6593 on 8/9/16




/Amish children don't die in car accidents.
Because they don't use cars.\
-Nicole_Lacey on 8/8/16
What a stereotyping racial comment.
I would easily be called a racist if I said "white people do this", Germans do that", "black people are this", or "Chinese are that."
But I guess it's ok for you.
---micha9344 on 8/8/16


Switzerland was around long before the U.S.---StrongAxe on 8/8/16

So was England, but I am speaking about NOW, TODAY.

France is the only reason we were freed from England. But, today they need us if someone attacks them.
But if we get attacked like in 9/11 We can take care of business on our OWN.

//How many schools or night clubs or cinemas have had dozens of people slaughtered by one psycho with a knife?//

That's the whole point.

When we have such tragedies it makes headline news all over the world because WE are not use to such tragedies.

People in other countries are slaughtered with MACHETES on a weekly basis. Not in the USA. Too many guns.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/8/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Because EVERYONE knows the United States has Switzerland's back.

Switzerland was around long before the U.S. Germany left it alone during WW2 and not because it respected U.S. interests, as it attacked U.K. and France.

How many schools or night clubs or cinemas have had dozens of people slaughtered by one psycho with a knife? Besides, what does that have to do with this blog?


Jerry6593 wrote: MarkAxe: You weren't the MarkV that once plagued this website were you?

Plagued?! Again, with ad-hominem attacks. No. If you paid attention, you would have noticed him and me both here at the same time (like Superman and Clark Kent both in the room at the same time).
---StrongAxe on 8/8/16


Switzerland is low...as a nation, they are level-headed - e.g. they remain politically neutral, and are ruled by reason, not emotional hysteria.---StrongAxe

Because EVERYONE knows the United States has Switzerland's back.

A small kid can smart off their mouth or continue to do it's own thing when Big Brother is standing behind him.

Many people are killed by knives, why don't you go against knives?

Many people die in car accidents daily. Many children die in car Crashes. Save the Children

Amish children don't die in car accidents.

Because they don't use cars.

United States doesn't need a Nanny.

We are grown women and men capable of caring one self.

It's called Responsibility.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/8/16


MarkAxe: You weren't the MarkV that once plagued this website were you?

You said: "Switzerland is low, not because they have guns, but because, as a nation, they are level-headed"

That statement is naive at best. People are people, and the Swiss are no different than any other. I spent a lot of time in Switzerland and got to know many of the people well. It is the knowledge that the other guy has a gun that keeps the perp at bay - not government policy.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."


Are you ashamed of your denomination?

What will your pal Cluny think of your statement: "I am unorthodox."?



---Jerry6593 on 8/8/16




Jerry6593:

You wrote: Switzerland, where every home is required to have a gun has one of the lowest rates.

Switzerland is low, not because they have guns, but because, as a nation, they are level-headed - e.g. they remain politically neutral, and are ruled by reason, not emotional hysteria.

Why your denomination is important is that its official position upholds the 10 Commandments.

I am not declaring the official position of any denomination, but my own understanding from reading the scriptures. I am unorthodox. I am an iconoclast. I smash false idols and slay sacred cows.

I initially started blogging here as "Mark" but changed when I saw someone else already used that name.
---StrongAxe on 8/6/16


Sorry Jerry for the mix up.

By the way I have come across a great video on Righteousness by faith. It comes in either three one hour segments or one three hour segments. We watched most of it Sabbath.

The Omega of Apostasy Seventh day Adventism: The Great Controversy.

I don't believe we are to post the website of places here. So just look it up. There are a couple of others that are close.
Tell me what you think.
agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/16


Hi Kathr,

I know getting a Pacemaker isn't a picnic, but life saving.
Having your heart rhythm changing minute to minute isn't fun indeed.

Pacemakers have improved so much in the last 40 years.

Do you have a defibrillator has well?

I am praying for you.
Take it easy.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/6/16


Darlene: Right on. Thanks for the refreshing breath of truth.


Samuel: I was talking to the Axster - not you. I know your name is Samuel, and that, like me, you are a SDA.


Axe: "The only way to stop all attacks would be to take away all the guns and establish a police state" The US States with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest gun murder rates. Switzerland, where every home is required to have a gun has one of the lowest rates.

Why your denomination is important is that its official position upholds the 10 Commandments. I will use your real name rather than Axster, etc. if you will provide it. You are NOT a strong axe theologically.
---Jerry6593 on 8/6/16


StrongAxe wrote: "Steveng wrote: God chose the Israelites to spread the word of God to the world

Oh? Even Jesus, thousands of years later, STILL said he was sent ONLY to the house of Israel, not the gentiles."

All of God children, ALL the people of the world, are of his creation. He doesn't want anyone to go to hell.
---Steveng on 8/6/16


StevenG said, "
If your "church" has its own rituals, it's man-made.

If your "church" has its own traditions, it's man-made.

If your "church" has its own ways of living, it's man-made.

If your "church" has its own interpretations of the bible, it's man-made."


But Steven, the qualifications that you have posted all sound just the same as YOUR non-denominational denomination of one. You live a different way, you have your own traditions, rituals (even if it is getting the family together at 7:00 on Sunday morning for prayer), and interpretations of the Bible.

Square that with the Bible! (And not YOUR interpretation)
---Monk_Brendan on 8/6/16


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What you wrote on 1 August sounds EXACTLY like the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/6/16


Samuelbb7 Russia didn't make it by taking away guns the Countries they took into Soviet Union rebelled and it broke up and became just Russia. Taking away good people's guns only gives the crooks an open field to do as they please. Look at England bombings,rebellions,and Muslims trying to take over. Australians will tell you taking all the guns increased crime not ended it. It is a Fairy Tale that getting rid of guns would do any good,it only opens the country to being over run by crooks and all kinds of evil actions. It would hurt the honest people who provide food for their families with hunting. The only reason a Government or President wants to get rid of all the guns is to establish a Dictatorship.
---Darlene_1 on 8/5/16


jerry6593:

Nowhere did Moses distinguish different "kinds" of laws. Nowhere in the New Testament are we told that certain categories of laws are dispensed with, while others must still be obeyed.

Now why do you maintain that it is not necessary to keep the Ten Commandment Law when Jesus Himself confirmed its necessity and permanency?

I said obeying the Two Laws means we ALREADY KEEP most of the ten without having to be told to do so. Where did Jesus confirm the Ten?

I have mentioned my name on these blogs several times in the past.

Where I attend is not relevant to these discussions.

Gun registration laws would have prevented MANY shootings, maybe not the few multiple ones.
---StrongAxe on 8/5/16


Jerry my real name is Samuel.

I am a Seventh day Adventist.

Gun laws such as background checks to keep Terrorist suspects on the watch list could help a lot. Also those to keep them from the Mentally ill. Will they stop all attacks. No.

The only way to stop all attacks would be to take away all the guns and establish a police state where everyone is watched all the time. It would also end crime. But that is the only way to do it. But even when the USSR did it. They still had problems.

I am not for that option.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/5/16


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Axe: I never said that Christians should keep ALL OT laws. If you were a Bible scholar, you would know that the sacrificial laws and feast days were prophecies of Christ and His atoning sacrifice for us. Passover, for example, has been supplanted by the communion service. Paul's objection to the Jewish leaders was their addition of man-made laws - not the keeping of the Ten Commandments.

Now why do you maintain that it is not necessary to keep the Ten Commandment Law when Jesus Himself confirmed its necessity and permanency?

Questions unanswered:

What is your real name?

What denomination do you attend?

What gun law would have prevented shootings?


---jerry6593 on 8/5/16


jerry6593:

I was referring to those who insist Christians keep all Old Testament laws. We are not Jews, and not under the Jewish covenant, so those laws do not apply to us. I condemn Juadizers insist Christians follow them. I do NOT condemn Jews. If you don't like this attitude, take it up with Paul, who had it before I did. Was HE an anti-Semite?

Is God's Law in your heart?

Yes - to love God and love my neighbor. Not avoid trimming my beard and avoiding pork.

Does that leave you out? How about the gentile woman at the well?

He accepted her (and the Roman Centurion), NOT because he was sent to them but IN SPITE of the fact that he wasn't, because of their faith.
---StrongAxe on 8/4/16


StrongAxe said, "What objective criteria can you use to prove that after the schism that split Orthodoxy from Catholicism, that Orthodoxy was the correct branch, ...?

(I would love to hear you and Monk_Brendan arrive at a concensus on this issue!)"


StrongAxe, We have arrived at a consensus. I have found the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom to be the most beautiful expression of the worship of God that I have ever experienced. Cluny agrees with me on that. As I grew up RC, I know the stability of the Catholic Community of Churches. Naturally, when I saw the beauty of the Orthodox Liturgy, I was drawn to them, and finding a Church in the Catholic Churches, I just naturally found refuge there.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/4/16


Axe: "What abyss did you pull THAT from?!"

How about your comment: "That's what Judaizers would say."

As for Abraham, the Bible says:

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Are you Christ's?

If you are under the New Covenant, then God's Law (from the OT) is in your heart. Is God's Law in your heart?

You said: "Oh? Even Jesus, thousands of years later, STILL said he was sent ONLY to the house of Israel, not the gentiles."

Does that leave you out? How about the gentile woman at the well?

Questions unanswered:

What denomination do you attend?

Gun law?


---jerry6593 on 8/4/16


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jerry6593:

The Ten Commandments were part of the covenant God made with Abraham, and were revealed at Sinai. We are not under the Abrahamic convenant, sealed by law. We are under a new covenant sealed by grace.

We aren't free to murder, steal or worship other gods - anyone who loves God and neighbor ALREADY omits these WITHOUT needing to be told!

Are you an anti-Semite? You sound like one.

What abyss did you pull THAT from?!

Are you aware that Jesus was a Jew?

He was. We aren't.


Steveng wrote: God chose the Israelites to spread the word of God to the world

Oh? Even Jesus, thousands of years later, STILL said he was sent ONLY to the house of Israel, not the gentiles.
---StrongAxe on 8/3/16


StrangeAct: Do you maintain that Christians are exempt from keeping the Ten Commandments? I'd bet that your denomination disagrees.

You are wrong that the Ten Commandments were invented at Sinai. They were in place at Eden and were kept by Abraham.

Are you an anti-Semite? You sound like one. Are you aware that Jesus was a Jew?



---jerry6593 on 8/3/16


StrongAxe wrote: God sent Moses to give the tablets to Israel, not all nations."

God chose the Israelites to spread the word of God to the world, including the ten commandments. They failed God's command thinking it was only for them.
---Steveng on 8/2/16


Kathr states, "and again, as I said to John, the Westminster Confession of faith has many false doctrines. Anything that outlines for YOU what you have to believe in order to join their CULT is nothing more than a CULT."

The Westminster Confession clarifies to adherence "What, why, and how." to believe based on "The Scriptures."

Can you tell us what are the many "False Doctrines." stated in the Westminster Confession?

The Westminster laid the ground for the LBC of 1689, and the Philadelphia and New Hampshire Confession.

These confessions do not supplant "The Scriptures." they only expound upon them.
---john9346 on 8/2/16


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jerry6593:

You wrote: If your "church" does not adhere to every one of the Ten Commandments, it's man-made.

That's what Judaizers would say. God sent Moses to give the tablets to Israel, not all nations. Jews were under the Ten Commandments (and 603 others). We are not.

Jesus frequently affirmed other commandments, e.g. wrongfulness of murder, stealing, adultery, worshiping other gods, etc. as these violate the Two Laws. Yet he was always rebuking the Pharisees when they criticized his not keeping the Sabbath the way THEY thought he should.

When YOU judge others for not keeping the Sabbath, YOU violate Colossians 2:16 and Romans 14:5. Unlike the Ten Commandments, these WERE written to Christians.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/16


steveng:

If your "church" does not adhere to every one of the Ten Commandments, it's man-made.


---jerry6593 on 8/2/16


Steveng:

You say "man-made" as if it's a bad thing. There are many man-made things - almost everything in this world that does not come from the ground or from a tree is man-made - including buildings, clothing, bread, vehicles, tools, etc. The bible does not say anything against these things. Not even man-made traditions are bad by themselves. It is only bad when those traditions CONTRADICT THE BIBLE. While some traditions do, most don't.

For example, if a church has services at 9AM, that is its tradition, and is man-made, and is fine. It's only bad if (say) they say "You MUST worship only at 9AM, and if you don't come to church at 9AM, you aren't saved", because then it contradicts the bible. Do you get it?
---StrongAxe on 8/2/16


If your "church" is denominational, it's man-made.

If your "church" carries a non-profit status in any country, it's man-made (and belongs to the government).

If your "church" has its own rituals, it's man-made.

If your "church" has its own traditions, it's man-made.

If your "church" has its own ways of living, it's man-made.

If your "church" has its own interpretations of the bible, it's man-made.

If your members describe your "church" as a building, it's man-made.

The meaning of the word "church" has lost its meaning since Jesus' time - just the way Satan planned.
---Steveng on 8/1/16


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I have said a prayer for you kathyr.

GOD be with you.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/16


HI Ms Nicole, Just wanted to say we'll need to conclude sometime later. Just got home from the hospital. Needed a pacemaker. Did not have a fun weekend, but the Lord is good.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/16


Cluny:

You wrote: kathr, it boils down to this: if your church is not Orthodox, then it's a man-made worldly denominational one.

Since you always specifically state Orthodoxy and Orthodoxy alone when you say this, it means you are necessarily excluding Catholicism.

What objective criteria can you use to prove that after the schism that split Orthodoxy from Catholicism, that Orthodoxy was the correct branch, and Catholicism was the apostate one?

(I would love to hear you and Monk_Brendan arrive at a concensus on this issue!)
---StrongAxe on 8/1/16


Not everyone is the RCC's step children. Not all Protestants believe in infant Baptism, or Ash Wednesday.---kathr4453 on 7/22/16

Correct. Some are the RCC's estranged children, grandchildren and great children.
Because Protestants keep breaking off from each other.

Orthodox we would consider as a brother not a child.

They have all SEVEN Sacraments.

Protestants have one (marriage) and two at the most (Baptism) if done correctly.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/30/16


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I am a Christian a follower of Jesus Christ, who is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church and we are Protestant in history and understanding.

That is my answer when I get specific.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/16


\\Not everyone is the RCC's step children. Not all Protestants believe in infant Baptism, or Ash Wednesday.
\\

Orthodox don't have Ash Wednesday, either.

kathr, it boils down to this: if your church is not Orthodox, then it's a man-made worldly denominational one.

NOW do you understand?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/16


Not everyone is the RCC's step children. Not all Protestants believe in infant Baptism, or Ash Wednesday.

But if you are comparing the RCC to Protestant Churches and saying the Protestants are WORLDLY, and the RCC is not, it would be interesting just what you claim to be WORLDLY.

Can you give a few examples Cluny.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/16


\\
Cluny, although you call them Protestants, they are rather the RCC little step children.\\

Just like you, kathr.

Alexis Khomiakov said that all Protestants are crypto-papists.

Something tells me that if YOUR beliefs differ markedly from those around you in your worldly denominational church, you won't be welcome very long.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/16


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Cluny, although you call them Protestants, they are rather the RCC little step children. I did look them up, and again, as I said to John, the Westminster Confession of faith has many false doctrines. Anything that outlines for YOU what you have to believe in order to join their CULT is nothing more than a CULT.

Since I'm not Protestant or Reformed Theology, shame on my ignorance that those who call themselves Protestants rather than Christian are nothing more than organized RELIGION. Christianity is not a RELIGIONS.

I see you don't like being called ignorant, or stupid. Why are your FEELINGS more important than others?
---kathr4453 on 7/21/16


So no, Protestants do not have along with the Bible a Catechism reworking the Bible...The 10th commandment is Thou shall not covet....PERIOD. The sin is coveting....period. ---kathr4453 on 7/17/16

Are you not a PROTESTANT?

Sorry, but the 10th commandment does not say Period at the end.

That's you a Protestant REWORKING the Bible.

Please stop, God doesn't like when ANYONE changes or drops word.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/21/16


Kathr said, "Monk, is that what your Catechism is, nothing more than a commentary? Why didn't you say so?"

I did not say that, and I reject it. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a systematic way of learning Who God Is, how He works our salvation in us, and how we are supposed to live our lives in cooperation and fellowship with God.

You obviously have never even looked at it, or you would know better.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/16


\\ we go by Scripture ONLY. So no, Protestants do not have along with the Bible a Catechism reworking the Bible."\\

Wrong again. kathr, as in just about everything you say.

There ARE Protestant catechisms. Luther's, the Westminster Catechism, and the Heidelberg catechism among them.

And they re-work the Bible by rejecting a sizeable part of the OT.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/16


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Monk, is that what your Catechism is, nothing more than a commentary? Why didn't you say so? There are numerous commentaries of which are mans opinions who often do not agree with one another. I'm not aware of any church asking people to use A commentary, or making it equal with scripture. So all these written works by Augustine, St John of Demascus, you quoted from are they not the RCC's Commentaries? And you have a problem with......what.....believing St John of Demascus is Truth we don't believe is TRUTH? And you are insulted we don't incorporate RCC commentary into our beliefs? Why would Christians incorporate Gnosticism or pagan traditions into our beliefs when scripture forbids it?
---kathr4453 on 7/21/16


Kathr said, " Wrong Nicole, we go by Scripture ONLY. So no, Protestants do not have along with the Bible a Catechism reworking the Bible."

Please tell John 9346 that!

You may not have a Catechism per se--but you have plenty of commentaries that will give you the "correct" answer--as long as it just like everyone else.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/20/16


"Cluny wrote: "That should be suppose*D*, Steveng."

I take that back, you are not as learned as you think you are."
"

Cluny, Steven G is right about this one. If you had read the text carefully you would have found that suppose was the right word.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/17/16


Wrong Nicole, we go by Scripture ONLY. So no, Protestants do not have along with the Bible a Catechism reworking the Bible. Just to make a blanket statement without backup is deceiving. Try again.

The first and second commandment is not saying the same thing. It is saying two entirely different things.

The 10th commandment is Thou shall not covet....PERIOD. The sin is coveting....period.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/16


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No, it was the Protestants who split the 1st Commandment into 2.

As evident that their 1st two Commandment MEANS the same.

But because they couldn't add another Commandment to the 10 because most people can count up to 10, they had to combine the last 2 Commandment into one Commandment.

Making women's value as to objects and animals' values.

SHAME ON THEM!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/17/16


Steveng: "I suggest learning comprehension in context no matter how bad a person's English or grammar. If you can't do that how are you suppose to understand the words of God?"

Worse yet, how is it that a supposed Christian seems to relish putting down his Christian brothers for their lack of grammatical prowess? Putting down others doesn't make you look greater, it makes you look smaller.


---Jerry6593 on 7/17/16


Kathr: "Jerry, yes I too see the 4th commandment of the Sabbath was changed to the Lords Day. Again, although I worship on Sunday, it is absolutely WRONG to reinvent Gods Word PERIOD"

I would point out that Sunday never was the Lord's Day. The Bible says that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - not Sunday.

It made me mad when I first heard the truth of the Sabbath change, mad at all those preachers who should have known the truth, but instead decided to perpetuate the counterfeit.

Of all people, preachers should know and preach the truth, but they remain true to their denomination rather than to God.




---Jerry6593 on 7/17/16


Cluny wrote: "That should be suppose*D*, Steveng."

I take that back, you are not as learned as you think you are.
---Steveng on 7/16/16


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Kathr said, "I looked on the Vatican.va and still see the 2 commandment re idols and graven images OMMITTED IN THE OFFICIAL CATECHISM."

Then you didn't look in the right place!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/16/16


Cluny, it is interesting how selective you are in your superiority attitude. Write and Rite you never jumped on. And seeing that is another RCC belief, it is funny how the wrong word was stated not once but twice. So I will add hypocrite to you as well.

Steven is correct, many here, even the very learned make mistakes but we know what is being said regardless.

Jerry, yes I too see the 4th commandment of the Sabbath was changed to the Lords Day. Again, although I worship on Sunday, it is absolutely WRONG to reinvent Gods Word PERIOD.

I looked on the Vatican.va and still see the 2 commandment re idols and graven images OMMITTED IN THE OFFICIAL CATECHISM.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/16


\\ If you can't do that how are you suppose to understand the words of God?\\

That should be suppose*D*, Steveng.

How's your worldly denominational church doing?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/16


Cluny wrote: "EVERYTHING you say is questionable kathr, including A, AN, and THE."

Not everyone is book learned as you claim to be. You would even raise an issue of Moses' speech impediment.

As a teacher of over forty years in English, grammar and ESL, and understanding all people no matter how bad their English I do understand the context of what they are trying to say. I suggest learning comprehension in context no matter how bad a person's English or grammar. If you can't do that how are you suppose to understand the words of God?
---Steveng on 7/16/16


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Thank you Monk, I will look there too. Micha did have a good question. Why is the Baltimore Catechism Different than the rest? And why would there be different versions? Is this an issues in the RCC as well? Seeing some Catechisms have gone rogue? I'm also going to check our local Catholic Book Store here and see how many different versions there are and check them out too. That's where most people would get their Catechism Book for instruction, correct, Not the official web site. Also which version does the RCC support?

If this is a lie, and folks are photo shopping the actual page to make up lies, believe me, I will be very upset about that too.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/16


Kathr: The changes in the 10 Commandments were prophesied by Daniel as:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Not only were the two Commandments changed in the Catechism (not in the Bible) as you pointed out, but TIMES were changed as well. The daily cycle was begun at midnight rather sunset, and the holy day of rest was moved from Saturday to Sunday.


---Jerry6593 on 7/16/16


Thank you, Monk Brendan.
I have added it to my favorites, so that a may set time aside for it.
---micha9344 on 7/15/16


Go to the the Holy See website. At the bottom of the page, you will see a link called "Resource Library" Click on that link.

This is the "Secret Archives." The second link is the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Clink on that, and there will be language choices. Click on English (unless you are better with another tongue), and the outline of the entire Catechism is laid out.

Section III part 2 is all about the 10 Commandments, and you will have the full text of all of them.

That is the version I have been using, and will continue to use.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/15/16


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There used to be the Protestant Ten Commandments list and the RCC Ten Commandment list.

But lately the RCC has in their newer catechism and the official online one made them the same.


So there is no difference now. But then ever since Pope John Paul there have been changes.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/16


Shouldn't all catechisms be the same in this area?
If not, can we agree on one to look at?
If not, why such a division in the RCC?
---micha9344 on 7/15/16


EVERYTHING you say is questionable kathr, including A, AN, and THE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/16


Now we will leave it up to others to investigate themselves. The info is out there, and There is a lot of info, even from Catholic websites.

We'll now let others decide for themselves. The RCC does not deny it, it only tries to explain it away.

It would have been better for Cluny and Monk just to admit it, since the RCC does not deny it, making your credibility in all matters discussed questionable.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/16


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Kathr said, "So just be as honest as this person Monk. I respect honesty, not some white washed double talk dancing around the issues."

First of all, Kathr, I AM being honest!

Secondly, I have been having some visits from Arthur I. Tyss, so I don't dance. Sometimes I can barely walk!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/15/16


\\for one, the New St Joseph Baltimore Catechism. And this is a mainstream Catechism Book isn't it.\\

No, it isn't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/16


Monk, thank you for showing you didn't remove it from the Bible. However it is removed from your Catechism Book, for one, the New St Joseph Baltimore Catechism. And this is a mainstream Catechism Book isn't it. This was in fact pointed out by a Catholic, not some anti-Catholic website.

Actually what is so interesting is this person didn't even know it or pay any attention to it until a big fuss was made about it by Protestants. He looked into it, and low and behold, even he was taken back.

So just be as honest as this person Monk. I respect honesty, not some white washed double talk dancing around the issues.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/16


Monk, the RCC Catechism is not Biblical, and is where all the controversial teachings come from, including the Assumption of Mary, and much of the Marion Doctrine. And it would appear by many conversations with RCC here, that you all hold the RCC Catechism ABOVE scripture, and when questioned about issues, use the doctrines in the RCC Catechism to justify your beliefs, placing it above scripture. And makes perfect sense why the 2nd commandment was removed completely.

This cannot be justified in any way shape or form. It rather should bring you under conviction as it has many now X Catholics, especially after Psalms 115 was shown them.....that somehow is part of your Rosery, yet completely over your head???. How could that be?
---kathr453 on 7/15/16


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Kathr gave us the 2nd Commandment

The 2nd Commandment is in the same place in a "Catholic" Bible:

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation[a] of those who love me and keep my commandments.

It is in the same place. Why carry on this argument? We didn't take it away, and I promise that we won't in the future.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/14/16


Psalms115: 4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

8 They that make them are like unto them, so is every one that trusteth in them.

It's X Catholics who have testified and shown the 2nd commandment was removed.

Above is exactly what your statutes are, now plastic, or whatever they are made of now. You actually think they hear you. IDOLATRY!
---kathr4453 on 7/14/16


I posted this on the blog where Rob claimed that Roman Catholics are not Christians:

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I realize you never check anti-Catholic sites to support your views, kathr.

However, the first Protestant (in the commonly accepted sense) to have "Thou shalt not worship graven images" as the Second Commandment, and to combine the commandments against coveting into one seems to be in the Second Book of Common Prayer of 1552, where Abp. Cranmer had a Litany based on the Decalogue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/16
---Cluny on 7/14/16


Kathr said, " No Cluny, the real question is: does the commandment, "thou shall have no graven images" appear in the RCC 10 commandments, or was that omitted, and why?"

Yes, Kathr, it does. It is part of the First Commandment: I am the Lord your God: you shall not have strange gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image.

It's there, Okay? Now chill out.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/14/16


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1. "No graven images" is seen by Roman Catholics as part of the First commandment.

2. Nobody worships the Pope, though you clearly think people do.

You think a lot of things, kathr, and most of them are wrong.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/16


No Cluny, the real question is: does the commandment, "thou shall have no graven images" appear in the RCC 10 commandments, or was that omitted, and why?

Very simple question.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/16


2nd
Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.


This has been completely omitted from the RCC 10 commandments.

No wonder people accuse the RCC of being or having a hand in bringing in the BEAST that millions upon millions will worship, not knowing it is a sin.
---kathr453 on 7/14/16


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