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Why are there so many photos of the pope and Catholics bowing to and kissing statutes and other statues?

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Nicole: Is magic power transferred from popes to priests to make "holy" water? And does this water have magic properties?---jerry6593 on 8/3/16

Do you live with Witches?

Do NOT call Holy evil

The HOLY SPIRIT isn't magic.

He is a DIVINE BEING.

Be careful with your smart mouth.

You will have to account for every word you speak and write on Judgment Day.

1 Samuel 16,1-5 (God speaking)..I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate."

Samuel Anointing Saul and David wasn't magic.

The Power of God is DIVINE.

Be careful, Jerry. Please be careful.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/3/16


Cluny: "Why is it necessary or customary to kneel and pray during the entrance of SDA ministers?"

Why not? Why is it necessary to "kneel and prostrate a lot on weekdays in Great Lent". Where is Lent found in the Bible other than the women "weeping for Tammuz"? (Eze 8:14)



Nicole: Is magic power transferred from popes to priests to make "holy" water? And does this water have magic properties?



---jerry6593 on 8/3/16


How does a MAN have the power to make something holy.---jerry6593
Strongaxe answered your question, and very well I might add.

Why did David kill the man who killed Saul?
Because he was anointed by a Prophet, right?

Note, God DID NOT anoint the kings. Kings are anointed by other men.
Samuel anointed Saul and David.

Samuel was a VALID Prophet of God and HAD the AUTHORITY to anoint people, thus made the anointed person or things Holy.

1 Samuel 16,1-5 (God speaking)..I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate."

What? God needs a human to anoint someone? Why didn't God just come down and anoint the man Himself?

Because God is God and He can do whatever He wishes!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/2/16


Orthodox don't kneel on Sundays, Jerry, or from Pascha through Pentecost. On the other hand, we kneel and prostrate a lot on weekdays in Great Lent. Why is it necessary or customary to kneel and pray during the entrance of SDA ministers?
---Cluny on 8/2/16


Cluny: "Are the members of the congregation worshipping the ministers?"

Don't be absurd. They are kneeling to pray. That is the first act of the minister upon entering God's house - PRAYER. Don't Orthos ever kneel when they pray?



---jerry6593 on 8/2/16




Samuel, I have seen in hispanophone SDA bulletins of services and major gatherings the direction to KNEEL when the ministers enter.

Are the members of the congregation worshipping the ministers? Or simply showing respect--veneration by any other name?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/1/16


Protestants believe that we have one High Priest JESUS CHRIST. Who gives to all who follow them the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit. Which shows up in their actions.

We go directly to GOD and to his word for truth and life.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/16


jerry6593:

You wrote: What distinguishes him from an invalid priest? Lack of pedophilia?

Children are molested by ministers of other religious groups too - people just seem to think it's more heinous when Catholics do it, for some reason.

How does a MAN have the power to make something holy. According to the Bible, God alone has that power.

The Catholic theory is that the authority is God's, but he delegated it to man - i.e. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom (i.e. anything he unlocks or binds on earth is also done so in heaven), and he has passed that authority down to his successors - hence, the need for a "valid" ordination to legitimately pass on that authority.
---StrongAxe on 8/1/16


OK Catholics, I get that holy water is supposedly made that way spiritually. But I liked Nicole's answer best:

"Holy water is waters BLESSED by a Valid Priest."

What distinguishes him from an invalid priest? Lack of pedophilia? How does a MAN have the power to make something holy. According to the Bible, God alone has that power. Do you consider the priest to be God? What happens if you drink holy water? Do you become holy? Cure diseases? Just askin'.



---jerry6593 on 8/1/16


..this is showing that dead people are still conscious in their souls, not extinguished as some believe. It shows the dead are communicating with other dead people.---kathr4453

Are saying Jesus was dead during His Transfiguration?
Peter, James and John saw and HEARD Moses and Elijah talking to Jesus. Communication

Kathr, you keep getting tangled up with Scripture passages given to you by non-Protestants.


Where does "holy" water come from?..How can the difference be measured in a laboratory?--Jerry6593

Holy water is waters BLESSED by a Valid Priest.

Since God is above any laboratory, the measure is done by faith in Jesus.

If you can measure your prayers in laboratory please let me know
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/22/16




Let me apologize first. But I can't pass up this joke.

We need holy H2O to burn vampires?

It also is a demon remover.

Please don't be upset by my joke. I just like a little humor on occasion.

GOD bless.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/16


\\How is it different from ordinary H2O? How can the difference be measured in a laboratory?\\

In the Orthodox Church, holy water is blessed with prayers that it will become a means of healing and sanctification, as well as a terror to demons.

Since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, there is no way laboratory analysis can tell it, just like a physical and medical exam could not tell YOUR spiritual condition, Jerry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/16


Jerry, why do you always ask for scientific proof of spiritual things? When you became a Christian, did you gain weight? Even a tenth of an ounce? When God filled you with His Holy Spirit, did you grow in height by even one millimeter?

Then how can you ask if Catholics and Orthodox have some sort of MAGIC that will make a blessing add any physical character differences?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/22/16


Kathr raises a good point. Where does "holy" water come from? What makes it "holy"? Who makes it "holy"? By what power does he make it "holy"? Magic? How is it different from ordinary H2O? How can the difference be measured in a laboratory?


---Jerry6593 on 7/22/16


Ruben, To me this is showing that dead people are still conscious in their souls, not extinguished as some believe. It shows the dead are communicating with other dead people. The man wants someone to warn his family so,they too don't end up in hell.

Why would Abraham who is dead tell a dead person to pray to God, a dead person who rejected God. Abraham spoke correctly. The Law of Moses is as much God speaking to man as anything, and he and his sons rejected it. Why would they believe someone else when they didn't believe Moses words, which is Gods word. Ruben, I see no living and dead communicating here. Or even Abraham who had Gods ear more than anyone even suggesting he could interceded for the living or the dead.
---kathr4453 on 7/21/16


kathr4453 * Ruben, I looked up the verses in Luke

In this story we see where someone is praying or making an intercessory request of someone other than God, And this was Jesus telling the story! If we were not supposed to ask saints to pray for us, why would Jesus tell this story?

" Oh no father Abraham,, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent." (LK 16:19-31- Notice father Abraham did not say don't come to me go directly to God!
---Ruben on 7/20/16


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\\Cluny, your argument is nonsense. gnostic, really? Actually YOUR belief is Gnostic.\\

kathr, the gnostics and Manicheans taught that matter was intrinsically evil.

And you lie. I never said that the Holy Spirit indwelt matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/16

So what exactly were you babbling on about. YOU SAID before the fall HE would have? Gnosticism is more than that Cluny and you know it. Demons are evil Cluny. The soul of man is evil Cluny. Gnosticism tries to rationalize separating the soul from the flesh. A totally different doctrine than you accuse me of. So where in all this have I ever said such a thing? I HAVE NOT. You make stupid accusations thinking no one would catch it?
---kathr4453 on 7/20/16


Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a higher truth known only to a certain few. Gnosticism comes from the Greek word gnosis which means to know. Gnostics claim to possess a higher knowledge, not from the Bible, but acquired on some mystical higher plane of existence. Gnostics see themselves as a privileged class elevated above everybody else by their higher, deeper knowledge of God.

Cluny and The RCC embody the 2nd part of the definition.

---kathr453 on 7/20/16


Kathr said, "Cluny, your argument is nonsense. gnostic, really? Actually YOUR belief is Gnostic. And NEWAGE garbage as well...."

Kathr, why don't you tell us what you really think?

Gnostic implies a belief that God's plan of salvation is hidden, and only by study under "Enlightened Masters" can we find the truth.

As far as New Age, you wouldn't know it if it bit you in the face.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/20/16


\\Cluny, your argument is nonsense. gnostic, really? Actually YOUR belief is Gnostic.\\

kathr, the gnostics and Manicheans taught that matter was intrinsically evil.

And you lie. I never said that the Holy Spirit indwelt matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/16


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You are using the EXACT argument used by the gnostic and Manichean heretics.

Were it not for the Fall, ALL the material universe would be a medium of God's Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/16

Cluny, your argument is nonsense. gnostic, really? Actually YOUR belief is Gnostic. And NEWAGE garbage as well. The Holy Spirit reveals the Son, and the Son reveals the Father. The Holy Spirit Indwells believers, not WOOD. I guess you would make a great AA groupie, who can say his higher power is a tree. The things SEEN are tangible, not ETERNAL.

It is good you show your true beliefs with your arguments so others can see you promote even a golden calf as spirit filled. WOW
---kathr4453 on 7/20/16


Were it not for the Fall, ALL the material universe would be a medium of God's Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/16

Ok Cluny, I'll bite. Now that we are in the FALL, what scriptures have listed those "things" not affected by the fall that God uses as a medium of the Holy Spirit? You think water has magic? Wood you say? Where paper comes from? Ink you say, originally coming from what, berries? Were berries affected or not? When exactly did paper come into use? Before that? So why then did Moses have to sprinkle BLOOD on everything?

Where exactly does Holy Water come from...some secret river not affected by the fall, OR made Holy by some sinful pope or priest?
---kathr4454 on 7/20/16


\\Wood or paint becoming a MEDUIM for the Spirit? You actually believe this garbage statement?\\

kathr, what do you think the water of Baptism is?

What do you think the bread and wine of Communion are?

What do you think the paper and ink of the Bible are?

What do you think the Incarnation of the Logos was about?

You are using the EXACT argument used by the gnostic and Manichean heretics.

Were it not for the Fall, ALL the material universe would be a medium of God's Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/16


Ruben, I looked up the verses in Luke and one in Revelation, and still fail to see anyone praying to dead people. In Hades, in Luke DID anyone from the dead even on Abraham's side warn the living? NO NO NO? Now for Revelation, how again do you get people praying to the dead. I see even in Acts 10 Corneluis prayers to GOD are the same as those alive in Rev 8 prayers were to GOD, that the angel brought before GOD.

But we do see Saul trying to communicate with Samuel.....and what happened to Saul because of that. If it was a normal practice, Saul certainly didn't have to go to a witch now did he? But because it WAS NOT something anyone practiced but witches and sorcerers. And must I show you the verse God FORBIDS such practices?
---kathr4453 on 7/20/16


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But you are wrong.

Icons and statues are windows to Heaven. The VENERATION that we give is passed on to the person in the icon.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16

Seriously Monk....a window to Heaven? OR is it mans imagination of what he thinks is Heaven? Not much different than those who tried to build a Tower to Heaven, and we see what God thinks of such Nonsense. Eye hath not seen nor ear hath heard of the things God has prepared for us, but they have been revealed by His Spirit, NOT BY PICTURES.

WHAT does God say about the imagination of man? He's not impressed, NOR is such nonsense a Christian practice. A pagan one YES.
---kathr453 on 7/20/16


Nicole, it amazes me that you cannot see the difference between asking a LIVE person to pray for you, and asking a dead person to pray for you.

Protestants do not seek out dead people to pray for them.---kathr4453 on 7/18/16

Neither do Catholics

It amazes me how you are capable of not believing Jesus at His own Words

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

I think since He is God, He should know if they are alive or dead.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/19/16


Kathr said, "Again, this is how the RCC explains away Idolotry. That statement is Blasphemy. Wood or paint becoming a MEDUIM for the Spirit? You actually believe this garbage statement? Sure those who worship Buddah might be so gullible. They even leave it offerings of food."

Kathr, I know you don't believe me, and want me to admit that I am the devil or something, trying to test the saints on these blogs.

But you are wrong.

Icons and statues are windows to Heaven. The VENERATION that we give is passed on to the person in the icon.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16


kathr4453 * And no where in scripture will you see people praying TO dead people to Pray for live people.

"And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God (Revelation 8:3-4

Seeking any kind of communion or summoning the dead is witchcraft.

Luke 16:27-28 "And he said, Then I beg you, father [KJV: I pray thee therefore, father], to send him to my fathers house, [28] for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment."
---Ruben on 7/19/16


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St John of Damascus has written: " Icons are necessary and essential because they protect the full and proper doctrine of the Incarnation. -----------
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16

Really, exactly HOW do Ikons do this? Is it a matter of FAITH or SIGHT? Is faith of sight, or is this some other kind of faith. So what kind of IKONS did the Apostles use when testifying to their witnessing of the Risen Christ. Did people say...I won't believe until I see an IKON? Some kind of PROOF...kinda like Thomas needed?

And of course St John of Demascus, who ever that is, is an authority on the subject? More of an authority than God.

We know you all put man's opinion over Gods Word. You can't deny it now.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/16


St John of Damascus has written: " He deified matter, making it spirit-bearing, and so if flesh can be a medium for the Spirit, so can wood or paint, although in a different fashion.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16

Again, this is how the RCC explains away Idolotry. That statement is Blasphemy. Wood or paint becoming a MEDUIM for the Spirit? You actually believe this garbage statement? Sure those who worship Buddah might be so gullible. They even leave it offerings of food.

So Monk here is getting you all greased up for one day worshiping the image of the BEAST, who will be said is God too, and we know millions of gullible RCC will fall hook line and sinker for that. Maybe Monk is the False Prophet....what say you?
---kathr453 on 7/19/16


Does anyone except a few Catholics or Orthodox realize what kissing an icon means?

St John of Damascus has written: " Icons are necessary and essential because they protect the full and proper doctrine of the Incarnation. While God cannot be represented in His eternal nature ("...no man has seen God", John 1:18), He can be depicted simply because He "became human and took flesh." Of Him who took a material body, material images can be made. In so taking a material body, God proved that matter can be redeemed. He deified matter, making it spirit-bearing, and so if flesh can be a medium for the Spirit, so can wood or paint, although in a different fashion.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16


That being the case why don't you speak with those you have seen do this and ask them why they do it.---Rita_H on 7/19/16

Because I know they are not worshipping the picture.

I would will not misjudge.

People have asked me why I kissed a statue and I answered them.

They used the moment to try to CORRECT me instead of truly asking me 'why?'

Just like you, they refuse to believe I wasn't worshipping the statue and CHOSE to judge me wrongly.

The question is only to put their foot in the door to tell me HOW they feel about my gesture, not lead me to Jesus.

You can't convince someone you are innocent if they already judged you GUILTY.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/19/16


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Nicole you say "I can't help it if you all never seen Protestants kissing photos. I HAVE" That being the case why don't you speak with those you have seen do this and ask them why they do it. You might find that many are not even churchgoers but, even if they are, give them the opportunity to tell you why they feel the need to do this. You might open up a conversation which will lead to you being able to witness to them of God's love and explain to them WHY Jesus died and what it achieved etc.

Don't allow opportunities to pass you by. We must use all opportunities available to us to witness to others and help bring them to the Lord.
---Rita_H on 7/19/16


Thanks,

//It is as bad for someone to kiss a statue as it is for you to kiss a photo of your spouse. ---john1944 on 7/18/16

I disagree, but at least you are consistent.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16


Nicole, it amazes me that you cannot see the difference between asking a LIVE person to pray for you, and asking a dead person to pray for you.

Protestants do not seek out dead people to pray for them. And no where in scripture will you see people praying TO dead people to Pray for live people.

Praying to the dead is witchcraft. Seeking any kind of communion or summoning the dead is witchcraft. Please know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/16


///Why are there so many photos of the pope and Catholics bowing to and kissing statutes and other statues? ---Rob on 7/14/16///

Rob: I suppose it's okay for people to kiss whatever they want (a dog, toad, jackass, etc.) so long as it's not illegal or immoral.
---Leon on 7/18/16


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"For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)

So, it looks like the ones who are right get judged "first". But I notice how there are ones who are busy with judging Catholics or Protestants first, but they are not at least as careful to make us wise to how they themselves are wrong.

So, yes, I have been doing this. It is easier to point at someone else. And it looks like Jesus was more disgusted with the religious guy at the front of the church, than the dirty rotten tax collector at the back of the church.

Kissing my spirit of conceit and criticism is my main problem.
---Bill on 7/19/16


The only confirmation I've seen that the statue of St. Peter is really a pagan statue of Jupiter is on anti-Catholic sites.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/16


Rita: Thanks for your concern. I don't know where Brendan got the idea that I questioned his salvation, as I am the guy who has consistently said that people from all denominations will be saved, and that God alone is the judge of our fitness for salvation. I'm sure he was thinking of someone else. We'll have to wait and see.



---Jerry6593 on 7/19/16


"1. Don't go to Mary or Saints. But pray straight to Jesus.
But, you all ask your Pastors and friends to pray for you. Even on CN."

Nicole I am truly sorry that you cannot see the difference between Christians asking other LIVING Christians to pray for them and you praying to those have died. Scripture tells us to pray for each other but it does not tell us to ask THOSE WHO HAVE DIED to pray for us.

Jesus died (and rose again) but others must await the resurrection of the dead to meet our Lord. Nowhere does scripture tell us that those who have died before us are listening to, and answering, our prayers.

We must NOT add to scripture.
---Rita_H on 7/19/16


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I can't help it if you all never seen Protestants kissing photos. I HAVE

My point is that Protestants love to tell Catholics not to do something, but excuse themselves.

1. Don't go to Mary or Saints. But pray straight to Jesus.

But, you all ask your Pastors and friends to pray for you. Even on CN.

2. No rituals, but you have the same format week after week from start to finish every Sunday.

3. No recited prayers But you recite the 'Our Father' Pray over and over.

4. No images of any kind.

But you all have images of family members and animals in the form of photographs.
You have your spouse right next to you in bed and a picture of him or her on the night stand on the opposite side.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16


Leon, I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to respond to you the last time you responded to me before that blog closed. You are right, I am a cunning, crafty, evil man and I know that I will burn in hell forever. That way you won't have to put up with me for eternity. God be with you.
---john1944 on 7/18/16


It is as bad for someone to kiss a statue as it is for you to kiss a photo of your spouse.
---john1944 on 7/18/16


Monk Brendan and Jerry, I don't know how the argument began about who accused whom of not being saved but would just like to say that accusations will save NO-ONE, just as bullying won't either. What is needed is prayer for those you feel are unsaved i.e. praying, praying, praying and even more praying - in utmost sincerity - until your knees HURT LIKE CRAZY. If unable or unwilling to do that then leave alone the subject of whether someone is, or is not, saved.
---Rita_H on 7/18/16


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Jerry said," I challenge you to prove your assertion by showing the quote where I said such. I'll be waiting."

WAIT!!!!!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/18/16


Brendan: "Like you have doubted mine? And made a point of chastising me for not being saved?"

I have never doubted your qualification for salvation, nor have I chastised you for not being saved. I challenge you to prove your assertion by showing the quote where I said such. I'll be waiting.



I've seen the photos of the foot of "Peter's" statue in the Vatican. It's almost worn away. Too bad the ignorant foot-kissers don't realize that they are kissing the foot of pagan Jupiter which was removed from the Coliseum.



---Jerry6593 on 7/18/16


I'm with you RitaH, I've never kissed a photo nor have my children or grandchildren. NIcole, did you just make that up? I taught my children not to even touch their mouth to a water fountain, but only the water.

Maybe no one considered that may be how the plague spread so quickly.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/16


Leon said, " Monk: In short, you're just being silly. Obviously, you're making imaginary nonsense up as you go. smh "

God bless you, Leon. You have just placed another jewel in my heavenly crown.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/17/16


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"I don't believe...our job to judge other people's salvation."

Like you have doubted mine? And made a point of chastising me for not being saved?

"God is no respecter of persons."

But you seem to be! You only seem to respect people that worship on Saturday! You remind me of a person I know of, he didn't smoke, he didn't drink, he didn't eat meat, and he didn't worship on Sunday. His name was Adolph Hitler--the same person you compare me to in the next sentence of your posting.

"You...agreement with Hitler and the Muslims in your disdain for Jews."

And you know that this is a flat lie, as I have often spoken of the love and respect I have for the Jews.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/17/16


I must say that I am certain that, in my entire life, I have never kissed a photograph. It has never occurred to me that I could, should or would want to. Any affection we wish to show people is done in their lifetime where I am concerned. I would certainly not kiss a statue of anything or anybody.Just think of the germs one might pick up from that activity.
---Rita_H on 7/17/16


Monk: In short, you're just being silly. Obviously, you're making imaginary nonsense up as you go. smh
---Leon on 7/17/16


Why do Protestants kiss photos?

Please don't claim you never kissed a picture, or encouraged a child to kiss a death person's picture.

I seen many Protestants and their grandchildren kissing photos many times.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/17/16


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Kathr, AMEN to what you wrote on 7/15/16.

That is my prayer for Monk Brendan, Cluny, and everyone.

This is they will come to know and have a saving knowledge and abide in GOD'S TRUTH!!!!

I pray their eyes will be opened and they will turn from paganism, idolatry, heresy, heathanism, man made doctrines and religions, etc.

We can continue to pray for them and share GOD'S TRUTH, but for themselves, they will accept or reject it!
---Rob on 7/17/16


Brendan: "A Jew is a member of a non-Christian religion, and as such, LOST. The Jews (religion) have rejected Christ."

I don't believe that it is our job to judge other people's salvation. God is no respecter of persons. You seem to be in agreement with Hitler and the Muslims in your disdain for Jews.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.



---Jerry6593 on 7/17/16


Leon said, "Monk: I have Jewish friends who are Christians. Believe it or not a great many Jews are Christians."

Leon, they may be of Jewish heritage, but they are NOT Jews if they are Christians. A Jew is a member of a non-Christian religion, and as such, LOST. The Jews (religion) have rejected Christ.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/16/16


Cluny, then why does the gospels go all the way back to Adam using Mary and Joseph's lineage? You always think you know so much, trolling the threads, not adding anything to the conversation but your superior arrogance. YEP! All the way back to the Garden it is. Wrong again Clunky. Even Noah can trace his lineage back to the Garden.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/16


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\\What's the common element that connects ALL of humanity back to the two people in the Garden?\\

Actually, it's through NOAH.
DNA. Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/16///

Cluny: Actually it's thru the original people (Adam & Eve) of whom Noah is a DNA descendant of?
---Leon on 7/16/16


There are more Gentiles LOST than Jews. So I would say ALL HUMANS REGARDLESS who have rejected Jesus Christ as Lord and savior are LOST. To keep pointing fingers at Jews exclusively as LOST is actually a racist statement coming and taught by the RCC, who again incited violence towards Jewish people after their passion plays played out in the streets, saying the Jews killed Jesus. Monk you are so ignorant on the subject. OUR SIN, EVERY ONE OF US PUT JESUS ON THE CROSS WHO WENT WILLINGLY, EVEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Today there are saved and LOST, regardless of race, color, creed, nationality.

But fear not Monk, in the end, the Bible says ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Gods plan is not over yet. May want to read Romans 11.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/16


\\What's the common element that connects ALL of humanity back to the two people in the Garden?\\

Actually, it's through NOAH.

DNA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/16


///...If they don't repent, and turn to Jesus, then they are LOST!...The rules that the Jews use means that I am Gentile. [?] If it had been my mother's mother, then I would be Jewish... However my mom, and her mom were Catholic.---Monk_ Brendan on 7/15/16///

Monk: I have Jewish friends who are Christians. Believe it or not a great many Jews are Christians.

How is it that ALL human beings are descended from Adam & Eve Monk? What's the common element that connects ALL of humanity back to the two people in the Garden?

Your problem Monk is you ( & your bud Cluny) suffer from paralysis of analysis, i.e., you guys can't see the forest for the trees!
---Leon on 7/16/16


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It wasn't until WWII, because of the concentration camps that others decided it came through the Mothers line. Ruth my friends was not a Jew, Boaz was, and their child was not a Moabite just because the mother was. A person can be Jewish on their Mother and Fathers side. In the OT a Jewish man could marry a Gentile, as even Joseph did and their children would still be Jewish as Jospehs sons were called tribes as well.

Now Timothy's Mother was Jewish and his father was not. Yet I believe Timothy was considered Jewish, and then taken under Pauls wing. Yet so many today have intermarried.

Individuals are saved TODAY, not Nations. The Nation of Israel rejected Jesus Christ, yet millions of individual Jews are saved.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/16


Leon said, "Monk: Who told you that ALL Jews are lost? If your "grandmother" was JEWISH, wouldn't that make you partially Jewish, one of "them" also?"

If they don't repent, and turn to Jesus, then they are LOST! You, who have been preaching at me that only by accepting Jesus into my heart can I be saved. Now, you are telling me there is another way?

And who are you calling me "them?" I have a lot of respect and love for my Jewish friends. But don't say that I am one of "them."

The rules that the Jews use means that I am Gentile. If it had been my mother's mother, then I would be Jewish in extraction. However my mom, and her mom were Catholic.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/15/16


///\\...According to Jewish law, Jewishness comes through the FEMALE line...
the Jewish religion of 2000 years ago [isN'T] the same... as...today. [?]...---Cluny on 7/15/16

Cluny: Aside from still waiting on the Messiah to come, that's just another thing practitioners of Judaism have gotten wrong. Jewishness doesn't come thru ancestral blood regardless of sex? Okay, I can play this game, i.e., A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew OR any person who has gone through the formal process of CONVERSION to Judaism. Tom Arnold, Sammie Davis, Jr., May Britt, Nell Carter & Connie Chung are all "converted Jews".

Please explain why Judaism today isn't the same as 2,000 years ago.
---Leon on 7/15/16


Good point Cluny.

The Veneration of Icons is part of the RCC and Orthodox belief system.

As an iconoclast I am opposed to it.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/16


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\\If your "grandmother" was JEWISH, wouldn't that make you partially Jewish, one of "them" also?\\

Only according to the Nazis.

According to Jewish law, Jewishness comes through the FEMALE line.

And the Jewish religion of 2000 years ago is NOT the same thing as Judaism today.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/16


///Leon said, "Monk: You do know (UNDERSTAND) that Christianity is rooted in the Jewish religion?"

I both know AND understand that the first Christians were Jews, but now, the Jews are LOST! Unless they turn to Jesus, and repent, they will not be among the saved!

And just to set the record straight, my dad's mother was JEWISH! I have a great respect for them...I have known, and mostly respected the Jews that I met.---Monk_Brendan on 7/15/16///

Monk: Who told you that ALL Jews are lost? If your "grandmother" was JEWISH, wouldn't that make you partially Jewish, one of "them" also?
---Leon on 7/15/16


Dementia, Monk CAN be saved. All Monk has to do is be humble and have an open heart before the Lord. Why let him go? As long as he still has breath, he will hear the truth no matter how hard it is for him to hear. Truth is hard to hear to those still in bondage to false teachings. He will never be able to say..." No one told me". Many Catholics are finding salvation. My prayer for Monk is that the truth will set him free. The truth is not mine Monk, it is in the Word of God. My prayer is that Psalms 115 will break through his conscience and he will see, by the Grace of God TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/16


Leon said, "Monk: You do know (UNDERSTAND) that Christianity is rooted in the Jewish religion?"

I both know AND understand that the first Christians were Jews, but now, the Jews are LOST! Unless they turn to Jesus, and repent, they will not be among the saved!

And just to set the record straight, my dad's mother was JEWISH! I have a great respect for them. Remember, I worked in the jewelry industry for many years, and I have known, and mostly respected the Jews that I met.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/15/16


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Kathr, don't you undderstand about Monk Brendan? He's a Catholic, and he can't be savved!

Jumping up and down about his practiices is going to get you nothing buut a stroke. He's not that important! Let him go!
---Dementio on 7/15/16


///...We do not believe that Muslims, Jews, Hindi, or any other religion has an inkling of the truth, and God's plan of salvation comes from God, and we are called to accept God's gift. We receive that gift by faith in Him, and no amount of beads, statue kissing, or anything else can get you to heaven--only having faith in Jesus Christ as our savior.

HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/14/16///

Monk: You do know (UNDERSTAND) that Christianity is rooted in the Jewish religion?

Regarding statue kissing, etc., since it won't get you to heaven, why do you do it?
---Leon on 7/15/16


kathr, do you think that those who venerate a statue or icon of a holy person or event think the artifact is actually a deity of some kind?

THAT would be idolatry.

And I KNOW that God did not give you be ability to see into peoples' hearts and know their true motivations.

In fact, He told me to tell you that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/16


Bowing and kissing statutes again Monk tries to whitewash and dance around. It's Idolotry Monk.


Psalms115: 4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

8 They that make them are like unto them, so is every one that trusteth in them.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/16


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Rob, the Catholic Church, with doctrine and dogma have held for the past 2000 years that the worship of God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit is the only thing that Christians are called to worship, and the worship of idols, the worship of anything other than God is WRONG!

We do not believe that Muslims, Jews, Hindi, or any other religion has an inkling of the truth, and God's plan of salvation comes from God, and we are called to accept God's gift. We receive that gift by faith in Him, and no amount of beads, statue kissing, or anything else can get you to heaven--only having faith in Jesus Christ as our savior.

HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/14/16


Monk Brendan, I hate paganism, idolatry, and when people do what is written in Romans 1:25!
---Rob on 7/14/16


Rob, why do you hate the Catholic Church so much?

But to answer your question: There are two Greek words that translate as "worship" in English. One of them is to worship, and it belongs to God alone.

The other word would best be translated today as "venerate", and that means to give honor where honor is due. If a boy in 2nd grade wins the spelling bee in the school, he is given a medal. That is giving honor where it belongs.

When you see a picture of the Pope kissing a statue, it is giving honor to the person the statue represents, and the veneration goes to that person, it does not stop at the stone of the statue.

If you see an Orthodox priest kissing an icon, it is thee same type of thing.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/14/16


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