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Who Is A Saint

According to what is written in Scripture, who is a Saint, and how did they become a Saint?

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"HOLY ONE" defines saint.---Josef
I know that. But the Bible knows the word 'Saint' as well. Again, please give Scripture calling ONE person a Saint. No personal translation please. Copy the Bible WORD from WORD."

Nicole do you not consider the King James Version of the bible as a legitimate translation? If so, read Psa 106:16 from it, "WORD for WORD":0)
---Josef on 8/8/16


"HOLY ONE" defines saint.---Josef

I know that.
But the Bible knows the word 'Saint' as well.

Your own citation of chapter and verse is evident of the Bible calling multiple souls SAINTS. Not 'Holy ones'.
Interchangeable words.

But the Bible NEVER calls ONE person a Saint!
Not interchangeable with the singular.

The Bible is CAPABLE of writing the word saint.
The Bible ALWAYS states Holy one.

Again, please give Scripture calling ONE person a Saint. No personal translation please. Copy the Bible WORD from WORD.

Strongaxe, you don't have to know if someone is in Heaven.

But if it pleases God to tell the RCC who is in Heaven, what is it to you?
God can do whatever He wishes.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/8/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Why do people keep putting words into my mouth that I never said, and then condemning me for them?

I never claimed everyone was in heaven. Only God knows who is in heaven. Yet people are not content to leave that decision to him and wait until the final judgment when the wheat is separated from the tares.

BTW, it isn't a criteria to be a Saint, but for us to know NOW (instead at the Judgment date) who is in Heaven or not.

Inquiring minds demand to know NOW. They aren't concent to let God take his sweet time.

Psa 106:16

Hebrew is Kodesh. Latin is Sanctus. This means "holy [one]", but in English, some use the noun "saint". They means the same thing.
---StrongAxe on 8/6/16


We become a Saint by the Grace of GOD alone. When we are justified by His Grace.

His life which we don't deserve is imputed to us so that we are accounted righteous in Christ Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/16


"
//Psa 106:16.. and Aaron the saint of the LORD."---Josef on 8/5/16

I almost thanked you, but when I opened MY Bible it states:

and Aaron, the HOLY ONE of the Lord. Check your translation."
KJV.

"HOLY ONE" defines saint. So whether the translation uses holy one, consecrated, set apart, or saint of the LORD, it is saying the same thing. The Hebrew word used is "qadowsh". Look it up.
---Josef on 8/6/16




If the church has to have special criteria now to determine whether a very rare individual is a saint,.---StrongAxe on 8/5/16

Oh yes, your way is better by claiming EVERYONE went to Heaven by announcing it their funeral.
REALLY?

BTW, it isn't a criteria to be a Saint, but for us to know NOW (instead at the Judgment date) who is in Heaven or not.

The RCC doesn't idly claim someone is in Heaven because ONLY GOD KNOWS or not.

You all love to switch words in order to trick others.


//Psa 106:16.. and Aaron the saint of the LORD."---Josef on 8/5/16

I almost thanked you, but when I opened MY Bible it states:

and Aaron, the HOLY ONE of the Lord.

Check your translation.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/6/16


"No where in the Bible does it call ONE MAN a Saint.
If it was you would have given me chapter and verse."
Psa 106:16

"They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the LORD."
---Josef on 8/5/16


good point Strong Ax

We all are called to be saints.

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world,

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/5/16


Nicole_Lacey:

No where in the Bible does it call ONE MAN a Saint.

Preciesely. ALL believers were called saints.

Is everyone in your Church is a Saint? NO

Precisely. That was true in New Testament times, but it is not true today. Why not?

ONLY GOD makes a person a saint. God tells us if someone is a Saint via miracles Gods provides.

If the church has to have special criteria now to determine whether a very rare individual is a saint, to distinguish him from the vast majority of other believers, then something is very wrong - it means something has severely deteriorated between then and now.
---StrongAxe on 8/5/16


The boC has many members, equaling many saints, not many saint.
Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
---michael_e on 8/4/16




I don't see how that supports your position that a man can make ONE PERSON a saint!---jerry6593

ONLY GOD makes a person a saint. God tells us if someone is a Saint via miracles Gods provides.

If a doctor tells you that you have HIV: does that means the doctor gave you HIV? NO!

The doctor took blood work and BASED on the blood was able to let you KNOW that you have HIV!

Understand?

When the Apostle Paul is addressing the churches he is addressing the saints of God that make up the church.---trey

AGAIN read the question: Saint! Not Saints.

No where in the Bible does it call ONE MAN a Saint.

If it was you would have given me chapter and verse.

Is everyone in your Church is a Saint? NO
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/4/16


cluny: "So is anything of the SDA."

How childish. What's next? No, you are!


Thanks StrongAxe for the backup. It is true that most Christian denominations have the bulk of their doctrines in common. But there are some that didn't originate from Biblical sources.


Nicole: "I already asked for anyone to please give chapter and verse of calling ONE PERSON a Saint."

I don't see how that supports your position that a man can make ONE PERSON a saint!
---jerry6593 on 8/4/16


Nicole Lacy:
Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: (KJV)
1Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. (KJV)
1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: (KJV)

When the Apostle Paul is addressing the churches he is addressing the saints of God that make up the church. I'm sorry if that doesn't agree with your understanding.
---trey on 8/3/16


Sounds as if you are a Freemason. What degree are you? ---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/16

The screwdriver is not the builder. The "Master Mechanic" is the conceiver, planner, designer, and engineering finisher of the Spiritual works.

Maybe you ought to ask Him to help you love Him, so that He might involve you in some of His very exciting Spiritual works. I am completely excited about being His screwdriver when He chooses to involve me in what He is doing.
---aservant on 8/3/16


Wrong Trey, please back up your statement with Scripture. Remember to keep it singular:

//The term "saint" is found many times in God's holy word. The word comes from the Latin word "sanctus" meaning a person sanctified, holy, or a godly person.---trey on 8/2/16

I already asked for anyone to please give chapter and verse of calling ONE PERSON a Saint.

Not groups of people, but ONE PERSON!

Chapter and verse of someone called a Saint.

One person.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/3/16


Cluny:

jerry6593 wrote: Sorry Nicole, but the Catholic definition is completely extra-biblical.

You wrote: So is anything of the SDA.

I would guess that 99 44/100% of the teachings of Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants, SDA, and most other Christian groups, even fringe ones like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, are in agreement. People don't have disagreements and arguments ahd holy wars about those things, just the 0.56% that differ.
---StrongAxe on 8/3/16


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\\Sorry Nicole, but the Catholic definition is completely extra-biblical.


---jerry6593 on 8/2/16\\

So is anything of the SDA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/3/16


Joseph, good answer!

The term "saint" is found many times in God's holy word. The word comes from the Latin word "sanctus" meaning a person sanctified, holy, or a godly person.

To be sanctified is to be set aside for holy use. All God's children are sanctified. All God's elect were sanctified in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world, chosen in him. Eph 1:4.
---trey on 8/2/16


Thus, a Saint is a Saint regardless of the Pope's approval
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/30/16

But what about what miracles done by false believers (tares)?---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/16

You are confused.

Everyone in heaven are Saints.

The people you listed are not in Heaven. They are trying to get into Heaven.

Again. Any miracle done well alive does not make you a Saint. as you wrote

//Matt 7:22-23 and in Your name perform many miracles?..And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me"---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/16

That's why the RCC ALWAYS OBEYS Jesus
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/2/16


Thus, a Saint is a Saint regardless of the Pope's approval
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/30/16

But what about what miracles done by false believers (tares)? Seems to me if miracles are so important, that your church may declare people falsely as saints based on this:

Matt 7:22-23 "Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/2/16


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michael e and RichardC have it right according to the Bible. Sorry Nicole, but the Catholic definition is completely extra-biblical.


---jerry6593 on 8/2/16


Psalm 16,3 - BUT to the saints that art in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is my delight,

Revelation 14:12 - HERE is the patience of the saints Here are they that keep the commandments of God , and the faith of Jesus,

Revelation 14 :13 - AND I heard a voice in heaven saying to me , Write , Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth Yea , saith the spirit , That may rest from there labors: and the works do follow them ,
---RichardC on 8/1/16


It must meet all 5 requirements.---kathr453

WRONG as usual when it comes to the RCC.

One Action alone can make you a Saint:

Christian MARTYRDOM

The Pope declares a person a Saint, letting the Faithful know the person is in Heaven.

Another way is if your body is incorrupt.

A miracle also.

//then the final approval lies with the pope.//

You are wrong with this statement as well.

The approved miracles TELLS the Pope the person is in Heaven which PROVES the person is a SAINT.

If a duck walks, quacks and swims like a duck tells me it is duck.
I can't decide it isn't a duck because I wish to declare it a chicken.

Thus, a Saint is a Saint regardless of the Pope's approval
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/30/16


4th requires that a miracle has taken place through the intercession of that person. The miracle is usually a healing. The healing has to be instantaneous, permanent, and complete while also being scientifically unexplainable. Then the person is approved by a panel of theologians, and then the final approval lies with the pope. If this is the case, a person is declared a blessed.

5th , a second miracle is needed in order to declare someone a saint. The confirmation of a second miracle goes through the same scrutiny as the first.

Here is the RCC 4th and 5th requirement for sainthood. It must meet all 5 requirements.
---kathr453 on 7/22/16


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Saints are set people apart by Christ.
Rom 16:2 "..receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints "
Eph 4:12 "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ"
Eph 5:3 "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints"
Scripturally, all Christian are saints, and at the same time called to be saints.
1 Cor 1:2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy Christians are saints by their connection with Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to allow their life to closely match their position in Christ.
---michael_e on 7/21/16


Have we ever see the beautification of a GROUP? -kathr453

Yes, they are usually called by the Leader and Champions. Like Saint Simon and Champions. Mass people martyred by their Government for their Christians faith.

Michael_e, no, no, no. Again

1. Everyone in Heaven is a SAINT.
2. But we don't really know who's in Heaven.
3. Common Folks pray to a 'Servant of God' via God for a miracle of some type to prove the 'Servant of God is in Heaven.

Once a miracle happens, the RCC tries everything to DISCLAIM the miracle (term devil's advocate came from this process of disclaiming)

If the miracle is vivid the RCC proclaims it a true miracle from God as witness of a certain person being in Heaven.
Understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/21/16


The thing is, I have heard nothing from you about works--feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, taking care of the sick. I have done all of these things . . .prove your faith . . . ---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16

Cluny, I responded to Monk's comment about his hearing nothing about my works. Monk spoke very specifically about his works. I mentioned that I had done similar works without specifying which works. I told Monk that I would let witnesses answer any of his doubts about me, and that he could ask them himself.

I won't be talking about my works. Witnesses will answer any question of Monk, including witnesses who were directly involved.
---aservant on 7/21/16


\\My witnesses can attest to my doing the type of works that you mentioned,\\

Funny you should have witnesses to your supposed good works, aservant.

Jesus Himself said that they should be so hidden and secret that your left hand doesn't even know what your right hand is doing.

Furthermore, He said you should not make a show of them.

Or are those verses in your Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/16


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Kathr said, "There are obviously more than one LIVING Saint in Philippi, as scripture testifies to that in the plural use of Saint by saying SaintS. And they certainly don't have to come under the scrutiny of you first having to look inside their hearts to decide who is or isn't a Saint."

Oh, you mean that there is more than one Christian alive who was also alive in the time of Paul?

I already said, I can't read hearts. I've admitted that freely before. But you can't either. Only God is able to read hearts.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/16


A Servant said, "My witnesses can attest to my doing the type of works that you mentioned, but more importantly they can attest to me being His "screwdriver" in the works of the "Master Mechanic".

Sounds as if you are a Freemason. What degree are you?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/16


And your works are ALL dead works, aservant, because they are ALL done without God.---Cluny on 7/21/16

Cluny, you don't recognize the Truth (Scripture) when it is put in front of you, and explained to you by the Holy Spirit!

Jn 6:63 . . . the words that I speak unto you (scripture), they are spirit, and they are life.

How then are you to be a guide to Life, when you don't recognize the works, and the Words of Truth when they are not explained to you?

Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides . . .

One is foolish to rely upon you as a guide of Truth. At this point, you are UNchosen, and as such you are a blind guide.

Rom 2:19-24
---aservant on 7/21/16


\\You wrote: Works that don't involve God may be good, but they are still 'dead' works.\\

And your works are ALL dead works, aservant, because they are ALL done without God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/16


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mundane works can still be vital . . . ---StrongAxe on 7/20/16

Totally agree. Flesh works can be good, useful, vital, and profitable to others.

Yet, God makes the clear distinction between dead works, i.e., works that don't need His Mechanicship" (my word), and faith works. He consistently values higher, those works He commands and completes by His Spirit.

Heb 6:1 . . . let us go on unto perfection, not . . . repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 9:14 . . . purge . . . dead works to serve the living God?
---aservant on 7/21/16


-----There may be Saints alive in Philippi, I don't know and cannot read hearts. But I am aware of at least one saint, St. Lydia-the lady that dyed cloth purple (Acts 16:12-14)
---Monk_Brendan on 7/20/16

Monk, I actually do believe a person's soul either goes to heaven or Hades awaiting judgement after they have died. But what does that have to do with the RCC's deciding who is or isn't a saint? There are obviously more than one LIVING Saint in Philippi, as scripture testifies to that in the plural use of Saint by saying SaintS. And they certainly don't have to come under the scrutiny of you first having to look inside their hearts to decide who is or isn't a Saint.
---kathr4453 on 7/21/16


Kathr said, "Monk, are the Saints here at Philippi those in the Grave, or possibly statutes of them?"

You seem to be believing that if someone is dead, their spirit cannot be with God in heaven--or in hell, for that matter.

There may be Saints alive in Philippi, I don't know and cannot read hearts. But I am aware of at least one saint, St. Lydia-the lady that dyed cloth purple (Acts 16:12-14)
---Monk_Brendan on 7/20/16


aservant:

You wrote: Works that don't involve God may be good, but they are still 'dead' works.

Yet, many totally mundane works can still be vital. A mechanic who fixes a preacher's flat tire so he can preach a sermon that saves hundreds. A power technician who fixes a circuit breaker that supplies power to a TV station so a televangelist can reach thousands. A grocery store employee who washes vegetables so people who eats them at a soup kitchen don't get sick, etc.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/16


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---Monk_Brendan on 7/18/16

My witnesses can attest to my doing the type of works that you mentioned, but more importantly they can attest to me being His "screwdriver" in the works of the "Master Mechanic".

Works that don't involve God may be good, but they are still 'dead' works. On command, He wants us to do "Live" works, which cannot be done without Him involving His Holy Spirit, e.g., healing that does not fail, revelation, True repenting - Acts 11:18, 2Cor 7:10, 1Tim 2:25, 2Tim 2:25-26, prophecy that comes to pass, employment of Spiritual gifts - 1Cor 12, anointing that teaches Truth - Jn 6:45, Jn 14:26 , 1Jn 2:20, 1Jn 2:27, etc.
---aservant on 7/20/16


Phili 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops..

Monk, are the Saints here at Philippi those in the Grave, or possibly statutes of them?

And for Nicole to say Saint is not in the Bible, is interesting. Was that removed too so that you could promote your own GNOSTIC doctrine on what a saint is and how one becomes an Saint and WHO is a saint? Or can't you read? The word is used all the way back in the OT regarding LIVE people who are SET APART FOR GOD. Saint means sanctified, and we have been sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ. Only those IN CHRIST today are Saints. Even the carnal baby Corinthians Paul calls SAINTS.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/16


Groups are called Saints as in the verses you provided for us. I can't remember a person being called a Saint in Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16

That's an interesting observation, Nichole.
---David on 7/19/16

Interesting indeed. So interesting that individual sainthood by the RCC way must be unbiblical and must be a GROUP THING. Have we ever see the beautification of a GROUP?
---kathr453 on 7/20/16


Rob asked, " Monk Brendan, on 7/16/16, you wrote the Catholic Church has a very specific process in declaring who are Saints...."

Rob, how many writings of Luther are in the Bible--especially the one where he decided to add "alone" (in German) to the German text of Romans? Hmmm? How many? Your correct answer is NONE! Don't criticize my Church's method of declaring someone is in heaven and I will not criticize yours, Okay?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/20/16


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Rob said, "Monk Brendan, I asked you what is this process and where is it found in Scripture."

Okay Rob, here is the answer. Google: The Process of Beatification and Canonization. One of the first hits will be an article on the EWTN site, telling how it is done.

I must say it this way, as I would not have enough space. Is it in Scripture? No, but neither are altar calls, fainting in the Spirit, loud clappy services where the "Worship Leader" is a glorified cheerleader or any of the other stuff that goes on in Evangelical Protestant churches
---Monk_Brendan on 7/20/16


According to the Catholic tradition. it takes years just for popes to be sainted(by man)
Yet, this isn't the Bibles definition of saint.
To understand our position as saints we must ignore tradition and let the Bible define its own terms.
In the Bible if you are not a sinner, you are a saint. You became a saint of God when you trusted the gospel of Christ, in spite of your religious works.
Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus..,"
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
---michael_e on 7/19/16


\\ Monk Brendan, I asked you what is this process and where is it found in Scripture. \\

As I already said, it's right after the verses that list what you do in your own worldly denominational church, Rob.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/16


Monk Brendan, on 7/16/16, you wrote the Catholic Church has a very specific process in declaring who are Saints.

Monk Brendan, I asked you what is this process and where is it found in Scripture. You have failed to give an answer. Why is that?

Nicole Lacey, even though I have college degrees, you are correct that I'm unable to answer most of your questions.

This is because your level of intelligence is beyond my reach. But nobody can say I haven't tried!!!
---Rob on 7/19/16


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Michael E. said, "The Bible calls those in Christ saints. No one ever called me saint except my Bible.
I suspect that is because the few religious sects that use the title saint restrict its use to those they believe performed great religious service or exhibited extraordinary religious fervor. "


Not so! The word "saint" as it is used by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches means that God has shown us that that particular person is in heaven, nothing more. Both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have a process to make sure this person is a saint, and not a demonic temptation. The process can be very long, but in the end, if the researchers say so, then that person is called a saint
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16


When a soul is saved it is given a new position and a new title. Ive never heard anyone use it outside of more religious sects and the Bible.
Before God saved us by Christs finished work on the cross we were called sinners.
(Rom 5:8)
In Christ we are made righteous. We are made something new in Christ. It is the operation of God that places us into his body, and gives us this new position.
The Bible calls those in Christ saints. No one ever called me saint except my Bible.
I suspect that is because the few religious sects that use the title saint restrict its use to those they believe performed great religious service or exhibited extraordinary religious fervor.
---michael_e on 7/19/16


A Servant said, "Many can witness to my works and my faith. When in AZ, I can let you talk to them yourself."

The thing is, I have heard nothing from you about works--feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, taking care of the sick. I have done all of these things, and anonymously. I can't point to someone and say, "I gave him a meal." Because I give them a Carl's Jr. gift card. They just go in to eat, and I slip out of the shop. They don't know who I am.

And the only thing you want to show me is people that you have brought to Christ. I have done that too!

I can't tell you where and when, because I have shared my testimony at so many places.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16


/Can you find a verse in the Bible naming a person a Saint?
I am truly curious.
I can't find that verse.
I have seen a person called righteous and just.
But never called a Saint...
I can't remember a person being called a Saint in Bible.
Please tell me if you know such a verse.\-Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16
Psa 106:16 They envied Moses also in the camp, [and] Aaron the saint of the LORD.
/Groups are called Saints as in the verses you provided for us.\
Saints is not a collective noun, such as pack. Your premise is illogical. The groups are called "saints" because they are made up of saints, each one.
So, does RCC have living saints as in the Bible?
---micha9344 on 7/19/16


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A Servant said, "But, you will not believe them either, because you don't love God, because you don't believe His Words"

Oh, but I do believe His Word! And His Words.

Oh, I know, I don't give you the answers that you expect, and that makes me wrong. Has it ever entered your mind that YOU might be wrong?

I know the answer. Of course not. Why? Because you are marching in lockstep with all of the other evangelical Protestants down a wide and easy path.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/19/16


In Ephesians 1:1 our Apostle Paul says,

"To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:"

So, I can see the saints are any of us who are "faithful in Christ Jesus".

If you are faithful to someone, you do not cheat on that person.

Paul says "Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," in Philippians 2:13-16.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
---Bill on 7/19/16


Groups are called Saints as in the verses you provided for us. I can't remember a person being called a Saint in Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16


That's an interesting observation, Nichole.
---David on 7/19/16


\\God didn't part the Red Sea totally by himself - he required Moses to raise his staff (and when his arm was tired, others had to help him lift it). \\

You're confusing two different stories here, Strongaxe.

It was a battle after crossing the Red/Reed Sea that Aaron and Hur had to hold up Moses's ARMS--not staff.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/19/16


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. . . prove your faith, then I will pay attention . . . ---Monk_Brendan on 7/18/16

Many can witness to my works and my faith. When in AZ, I can let you talk to them yourself.

But, you will not believe them either, because you don't love God, because you don't believe His Words


1 Cor 13:7 Love never stops being patient, never stops believing, never stops hoping, never gives up.

You are angry at me: I have shown the +40,000 daily readers of CN that you have more faith and love in the Catholic doctrine of men, than you have faith in, and love for God's Word.

In AZ, I will share how I was God's tool.
---aservant on 7/18/16


---Cluny on 7/18/16

When God has not chosen Cluny to be His tool, it may be hard for Cluny to understand that God has OFTEN chosen the weak to confound the strong.

Though He needs no one, it seems His gigantic love for some compels Him to use those who love Him as tools, useful to Him, because of their love for Him.

You would have to love Him MOST to understand.

1Cor 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty,

2Cor 12:10 . . . for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
---aservant on 7/18/16


Does RCC have any living saints as the Bible shows repeatedly?---micha9344 on 7/18/16

Good question.

But, note the word is Saints not Saint. A General statement.

Can you find a verse in the Bible naming a person a Saint?

I am truly curious.

I can't find that verse.

I have seen a person called righteous and just.

But never called a Saint.

Groups are called Saints as in the verses you provided for us.

I can't remember a person being called a Saint in Bible.

Please tell me if you know such a verse.

BTW, the Virgin Mary is the only person in the Bible greeted by title and not by name.

Hail full of grace

But the word Saint isn't used not even by the Angel.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16


Cluny:

You wrote: Jesus Himself said, "I no longer call you slaves [a tool by any other name], but friends."

Yet Paul called himself "Christ's slave".

Besides, aservant, God doesn't need anyone or anything to perform miracles.

Even if he doesn't need anyone else, he often acts as if he does. God didn't part the Red Sea totally by himself - he required Moses to raise his staff (and when his arm was tired, others had to help him lift it). There was one town where Jesus could work no miracles because of their lack of faith (so it DID depend on people).
---StrongAxe on 7/18/16


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\\ God wants Christians to be "tools" He uses to perform miracles. \\

To drag strangers into the conversation, Jesus Himself said, "I no longer call you slaves [a tool by any other name], but friends."

Jesus Himself is our spiritual food (you can interpret this Eucharistically or otherwise). But in C. S. Lewis's image, the Devil simply wants US as food.

Besides, aservant, God doesn't need anyone or anything to perform miracles.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/18/16


A Servant said, "God wants Christians to be "tools" He uses to perform miracles. Disciples are example of this, their works proved they were chosen by God. Miracles prove who God has chosen."

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So what about your dead faith? You see, I have faith, which you seem to be denying, but I also have works.

But also remember that if faith alone can bring us to Heaven, then satan should be there, as he believes, but he also trembles.

Show me works that prove your faith, then I will pay attention to your pious mouthings.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/18/16


Strongaxe, nice try. Please read my whole statement again:

Which is why Holy Mother Church is wise enough to demand miracles from God to tell us if someone is in Heaven with Him.

Note, I said //to tell us if someone is in Heaven with Him//

I live in Alabama.
Now you know I live in Alabama because I JUST TOLD YOU.

If I didn't let you know that I lived in Alabama, does that MEAN I AM LIVING IN ALABAMA just because you didn't know???

The RCC doesn't have to know who is in Heaven RIGHT NOW.
It is God's pleasure to let us KNOW who is in Heaven with Him right now.
Not our right to KNOW.

But, that doesn't mean the people in Heaven are not Saint just because we don't know they are in Heaven
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16


Acts 9:32 ...to the saints which dwelt at Lydda.
Rom 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints, given to hospitality.
Rom 16:15 ...and all the saints which are with them.
Eph 1:1 ...to the saints which are at Ephesus...
Philippians 1:1 ...to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi,
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse...
Does RCC have any living saints as the Bible shows repeatedly?
---micha9344 on 7/18/16


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---Monk_Brendan on 7/17/16

Look Monk, "works" demonstrate one's Spiritual condition. The 'work' of obeying God real time (faith) produces miracles. Following one's own heart produces "dead works", not miracles. Feeding widows with store bought food is good, but not miraculous. It is miracles that glorify God and witness to His presence.

Jas 2:18 . . . I will shew thee my faith (obedience to God real time) by my works (what God produces thru me).

God wants Christians to be "tools" He uses to perform miracles. Disciples are example of this, their works proved they were chosen by God. Miracles prove who God has chosen.
---aservant on 7/18/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Everyone in Heaven are Saints. ...

Which is why Holy Mother Church is wise enough to demand miracles from God to tell us if someone is in Heaven with Him.


If I read this correctly, does this mean that everyone who does NOT cause demonstrable miracles after death isn't a saint? If so, doesn't that mean that the vast majority of dead Catholics aren't saints (and thus, by your first claim, that most of them aren't in heaven either?)
---StrongAxe on 7/18/16


Rob is really saying:

//I can't and don't have an answer for you so I will pretend my college degrees will HIDE my lack of knowledge:

AKA

Nicole Lacey, with myself having College Degrees, should I limit myself to those who are the contemporary of, and are also mentored by Jethro Bodine?
Also, since I attend a place of Worship and Study, which goes through Scripture verse by verse, should I limit myself to those who don't? ---Rob on 7/18/16
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/18/16


A Servant, are you more interested in notches in your Bible, or having an interesting, full life in Christ here on earth, and everlasting life in heaven?

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled, notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body, what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 2:14-17 KJV

I have faith AND works. It is much fuller, and I have true peace!
---Monk_Brendan on 7/18/16


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---Monk_Brendan on 7/12/16

Mt 22:36-38 Greatest commandment = love God the MOST!!!

How can you love God when you keep disbelieving what He says?

Pro 8:17 I love them that love me . . .
This completely explains your poor Spiritual condition.

Below are the words He Authored.

Eph 2:8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.

Rom 4:5 But those who depend on faith, not on deeds, (are imputed to be righteous) . . .
---aservant on 7/17/16


Nicole Lacey, with myself having College Degrees, should I limit myself to those who are the contemporary of, and are also mentored by Jethro Bodine?

Also, since I attend a place of Worship and Study, which goes through Scripture verse by verse, should I limit myself to those who don't?
---Rob on 7/18/16


Who is a Saint? "Here is the patience of the Saints, here are they who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12-13, Rev. 12:17.

How did they become a Saint? "And they overcame him (the dragon) by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto death." Rev 12:9-13, Rev 15:2-4. They have become Saints of the King, verse 3 of Rev 15.

And their reward is "But the Saints of the Most High shall take the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever". Dan 7:18, Dan 2:44.
---barb on 7/17/16


A Servant said, "No one goes to Heaven because of their efforts."

I might remind you of Matt 25:31-46

How many of the ones he welcomed in said anything about believing in Jesus? How many talked about the Gift of salvation He brought? ANSWER: NONE

And how many of the goats said, "I cleaned up after you, I wiped your bottom when you were dying, etc.? NONE

What kept the goats from getting in? A lack of WORKS! They didn't put any of the "Love" they felt for their Savior into action with their fellow man.

People like you are the ones that will said, Lord, Lord, and Jesus will reject.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/17/16


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Rob, if you have $10 and I have $100, should I be limited to buying items $10 or less?

Can't I buy anything up to $100?

Your limited sources is your problem.

The same with your question.

I am not LIMITED to the Bible. I have the Church.

Just because you cut yourself from the Church it doesn't mean I AM CUT OFF.

Everyone in Heaven are Saints.

Now determining who is in Heaven is another question.

Which is why Holy Mother Church is wise enough to demand miracles from God to tell us if someone is in Heaven with Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/17/16


Anybody who has lived an heroic life for Christ will end up in heaven, and those people are called saints. ---Monk_Brendan on 7/16/16

No one goes to Heaven because of their efforts.

Eph 2:8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.

Rom 4:5 But those who depend on faith, not on deeds, and who believe in the God who declares the guilty to be innocent, it is this faith that God takes into account in order to put them right with himself.

Might be better to believe the Bible.
---aservant on 7/17/16


Monk Brendan, you wrote the Catholic Church has a very specific process in declaring a Saint and it's a long process.

Monk Brendan, what is that process, and where is that process found in Scripture?
---Rob on 7/16/16


The way that the word is used in the bible would seem to indicate that it means 'true believer'. The bible refers to 'the saints in Ephesus" etc.
---Rita_H on 7/16/16


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According to the NT, we are ALL "called to be saints", as the KJV put it.

God has all eternity to work on us and fully sanctify us, if we let Him.

There are some people, however, who have been seen as outstanding example of the Christian life, such as the writers of the Bible, martyrs, confessors (those who did not shrink from laying down their lives), and others, who are placed on the Honor Roll of the Church (as it were) we generally speak of as saints.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/16


Rob, I know the Protestant answer for this, and it it a person who is saved, and filled with the Holy Spirit.

I do agree with that very limited (and limiting) definition, However, there is more to it than that. Anybody who has lived an heroic life for Christ will end up in heaven, and those people are called saints.

The Catholic Church has a very specific process for declaring a saint, and as it is a long process, it leaves very little doubt that the person in question has lived their life fully for Christ.

BTW, with your definition, you limit God, putting Him into a box, and saying, "You can only do this, and nothing else," which you know is not true
---Monk_Brendan on 7/16/16


"According to what is written in Scripture, who is a Saint, and how did they become a Saint?" Any member of the body of Christ, as one set apart of the Father, justified, or declared righteous, and made, or declared Holy, pure, as purified, cleansed of sin, in Christ, i.e. a believer.
---Josef on 7/16/16


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