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Which denominations officially teach that the Ten Commandments are NOT binding on Christians?

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To all who do not keep the Sabbath:

Note below:
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Gen 2:2-3
---john9346 on 8/29/16


Those who believe the Ten Commandments were done away with follow an understanding of the Bible called dispensationalism. They however believe to break nine of them is still a sin. But many of them believe Once saved Always saved.

"[Note: neither all nor any part (Ceremonial, Moral, or Civil) of the Mosaic Law is a ruling factor in the present dispensation. (See Gal. 5:4)]"

Renald E. Showers states, (THERE REALLY IS A DIFFERENCE! A COMPARISON OF COVENANT AND DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY, The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc., Bellmawr, N.J., 1991, p. 27-53)]:
---Samuelbb7 on 8/29/16


//he would have preached about 18 hours straight and left on Monday//

It's states Paul talked ON AND ON. Eutychus FELL ASLEEP!

Even I can endure an 8 hour talk

//"The 10 Commandments are NOT all equal to each other.-ME"
yet, offend in one point, he is guilty of all---Jerry6593

I am NOT denying one is guilty of all. That doesn't mean one Commandment isn't greater than another. Whats your point?

If I steal an apple I am guilty of breaking the law

If I kill someone I am guilty of breaking the law.

But the law stating I KILLING Someone is GREATER than thievery!
i.e. Killing has a longer sentence

Worshipping an idol IS MORE of an offense than talking back to your mother. GOT IT?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/28/16


darlene states, "This is what the Bible says about the Sabbath Day, Colossians 2:16 "

Ma'am, first, I hope you are well in your health.

Next, did you read vs 8 before vs 16

Can you tell us what is the context of vs 16.

The "Sabbath." was "Perfect." it was "Blessed."

How can something perfect and a blessing be a waist of time??
---john9346 on 8/28/16


Nicole: Nope! Paul preached Saturday night 'til midnight - about 5-6 hours. He then apparently got a little rest and started on a long journey early Sunday morning. If your version were true, he would have preached about 18 hours straight and left on Monday morning. Not likely!

You said: "The 10 Commandments are NOT all equal to each other."

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.



---Jerry6593 on 8/28/16




//A person wastes their time in God's eyes trying to fit the right day into any church or denomination or attribute it to any person other than God. Don't "judge" period.---Darlene_1 on 8/27/16

I'll say AMEN to that!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/27/16


This is what the Bible says about the Sabbath Day, Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat,drink or in respect of an Holyday,or new moon, or of the Sabbath days," A person wastes their time in God's eyes trying to fit the right day into any church or denomination or attribute it to any person other than God. Don't "judge" period.
---Darlene_1 on 8/27/16


Micha, stop it.
9. Neither shall you COVET your neighbor's wife 10. You shall not DESIRE anything that is your neighbor's.

Or 9. You shall not COVET your neighbor's wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbor's GOODS.

Note: WIFE ISN'T in the 10th commandment

'MAID' means a woman thus HUMAN.

Unfortunately there were human property in Moses time, but NEVER is a WIFE PROPERTY.

We are talking about the HIERARCHY of the 10 Commandments

Mark 12:28-31 scribes..asked him, Which commandment is the MOST IMPORTANT of ALL? Jesus answered, The most important is..The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your.... The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/27/16


/Down and Down until you have no choice but to make WOMEN at the same level as animals which WAS NOT GOD INTENT.\
Vatican website:
ARTICLE 10
THE TENTH COMMANDMENT
You shall not covet . . . anything that is your neighbor's. . . . You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass...
-So, again, according to Nicole, maidservants must not be women, or as I said before, human.
/The 10 Commandments are NOT all equal to each other.\-Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16
Yet Christ did not ask the rich young ruler about the first few, and James says: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."
---micha9344 on 8/27/16


//Jesus and ALL His disciples rested Friday night and Saturday//

WHAT? Jesus was DEAD and the Disciples were hiding!

I am the one stating the Resurrection occurred on Sunday morning not you.

Mary isn't the Virgin Mary

/He (Paul) Sunday morning---Jerry6593//

It was Sunday morning, they BROKE BREAD. No time to COOK bread immediately after the Sabbath.

RCC breaks bread on Sunday mornings.

Saturday and Sunday Services were granted to the Bishops in the United States from the Vatican upon request for people who HAVE to WORK on Sunday MORNING. Medical, Police, Fire Personnel

For centuries, BREAKING BREAD only OCCURED on Sunday MORNINGS

My PROBLEM is that you speak what you do not know
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/27/16




//the RCC removed do not worship idols.---mike

No She didn't. You made that up.
Still part of the 1st Commandment.

The RCC didn't make worshipping idols less important than no. 1 to 2nd place as the Protestants made it.

Lowering this Commandment 'Not take the LORD's name in vain' to no. 3.

Thus lowering 'Remember the sabbath day' to 4th

Honour thy father and thy mother 5th

Thou shalt not kill to 6th place.

Down and Down until you have no choice but to make WOMEN at the same level as animals which WAS NOT GOD INTENT.

You do know that the importance of Commandment is placed at the top and the LEAST importance at the bottom.

The 10 Commandments are NOT all equal to each other.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16


Nicole: It appears to me that you are arguing against yourself.

Here are the facts:

1) Jesus died on the Cross on Friday afternoon. The ladies prepared spices that day.

2) Jesus and ALL His disciples rested Friday night and Saturday "according to the [Sabbath] Commandment".

3) Mary & the spice ladies came to the tomb at daybreak Sunday morning and found that Jesus had risen.

4) Paul went to a supper meeting Saturday evening, after Sabbath was over, and preached until midnight. He left early Sunday morning to go on a long trip.


Now, what is the problem? It is quite clear from the Bible that sundown Friday to sundown Saturday is the REAL Sabbath Day - NOT SUNDAY!


---Jerry6593 on 8/27/16


//began at sundown Saturday...not Sunday morning as you infer...Luk 23:56---Jerry6593//

Not me, but as the Bible INFERS!

Luke 24:1 But at DAYBREAK (which means the sun is coming up NOT down. So it isn't the sundown the evening before)
But at daybreak on the FIRST day of the week they TOOK the Spices they had PREPARED (before the Sabbath)

Now to the other Gospels
John 20:1 On the first day of the week (Sunday) Mary of Magdala came to the tomb EARLY in the MORNING, while it was still dark (SUNDAY MORNING)

Mark 16:1..bought spices
v2 Very early when the SUN had RISEN, on the FIRST day of the week (SUNDAY MORNING)

Matthew 28:1 After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week (SUNDAY) was DAWNING
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16


Nicole: You are confused. The days in Christ's time were reckoned from sundown to sundown. Thus, the first day (Sunday) began at sundown Saturday. Hence, Paul began preaching at at suppertime and preached til midnight - not Sunday morning as you infer.

None of the eight mentions of the first day of the week in the NT say anything about it supplanting the Sabbath as the Lord's Day. In fact,

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


"RCC where all Christians originate from"

NO! All REAL Christians originate from Christ.

COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!


---Jerry6593 on 8/26/16


Because the RCC kept the 10 Commandments as He gave us, not rearranged to confuse people because we don't LIKE the way the ORIGINAL order of the 10 Commandments.

really, the RCC removed do not worship idols.
---mike on 8/26/16


Nicole,

Ma'am,

In the verses you cited, all the authors state, "When they went to the tomb." It doesn't state he rose.

In fact, if you continue reading the angels tell the women "He has risen." no specific day and time of when it took place.

Tell us, what is the context of Col 2:16-17 and Rom 14:5-6??
---john9346 on 8/26/16


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Nicole said, "You must have the 'Gospel according to Paul'

Like I told you on another blog to put Paul against Jesus is the work of a heretic to which church fathers taught what you are saying is a heresy.

Just know what you are stating by trying to Put Paul against Jesus would classify as "Anathema."
---john9346 on 8/26/16


//If anyone would read the 4 gospels the bible doesn't tell us when Jesus rose it only says he rose...---john9346

You must have the 'Gospel according to Paul' that Michael speaks about so often.

My 4 Gospels cites the day Jesus rose:

Matthew 28:1 After the SABBATH (Saturday), as the first day of the week was dawning (SUNDAY)

Mark 16:1-2 When the Sabbath (Saturday) was over.... on the first day of the week (SUNDAY)

Luke 24:1 on the first day of the week (SUNDAY)

John 20:1 On the first day if the week (SUNDAY)

Explain which NEW Sabbath Paul is speaking about in Col. 2:16-17


Jerry, COME HOME

RCC where all Christians originate from and some left.
Come Home to Mama -Catholic Church
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/16


Nicole,

Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5-6 no where in context does Paul state that the "Sabbath." was changed to Sunday.

If anyone would read the 4 gospels the bible doesn't tell us when Jesus rose it only says he rose...
---john9346 on 8/25/16


Nicole: "I think Jesus knows better than you the Church you should beyond [?] COME HOME."

I think Jesus knows just how far the RCC has strayed from His Commandments: Kneeling before idols, indulgences, the inquisition, etc.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.



---Jerry6593 on 8/25/16


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//This is what John heard Him say directly:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY [not RCC's] commandments.
---Jerry6593 on 8/24/16

No difference my friend.

Because the RCC kept the 10 Commandments as He gave us, not rearranged to confuse people because we don't LIKE the way the ORIGINAL order of the 10 Commandments.

BTW, Matthew and John along with the other 10 Disciples also HEARD and Jesus say and in Matthew 16:19

Obey Jesus and stop making excuses not to come home.

I think Jesus knows better than you the Church you should beyond. The RCC as the Bride of Christ.

COME HOME
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


\\ Did He speak to you personally? \\

Why should He not?

You think He spoke to a woman inhabited by a walk in religious demon who gave false prophecies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/16


Nicole: "No, not my desire, Jesus' desire as HE said it my me."

Did He speak to you personally? Here's what He said to ALL of us in His own handwriting:

Exo 20:8-11 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is what John heard Him say directly:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY [not RCC's] commandments.


---Jerry6593 on 8/24/16


No, not my desire, Jesus' desire as HE said it my me.

Definition of Whatsoever - one or some or every or all without specification

quantifier, used with either mass nouns or plural count nouns to indicate an UNSPECIFIED NUMBER

Paul most have believed it. Col. 2:16-17 Let no one, than, pass judgment on you in regard to a festival or NEW moon or SABBATH. (new as the 1st day of the week, since the old was on the 7th day)

Romans 14:5-6 One person considers one day more IMPORTANT than another, while another person considers all day alike. Let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind. Whosever observes the day, OBSERVES it for the Lord.

//without Scriptural authority?---Jerry6593

Matt 16:19 is in Scripture
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/23/16


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Nicole: You still expand "whatsoever" to excuse ANY change to the Bible that you desire. I asked for a specific verse where a change to Jesus' Sabbath Commandment is authorized, but you gave me none. You insist that Peter changed it, yet he and all his fellow Apostles kept the original Sabbath. So he must have changed it after he was dead. Do you really believe that?

You don't seem to understand the Sabbath Commandment and Jesus' relationship to it. He rebuked the Pharisees for their man-made burdensome attachments to it, yet He personally kept it (per Exo 20:8-11) faithfully - even in death.

Did you notice that Sunday is a man-made contrivance, without Scriptural authority? Jesus rebukes that as well.
---Jerry6593 on 8/23/16


Farmers? Really? Mike read your Bible again.

Matt12:1-2 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His DISCIPLES were hungry (NOT FARMERS) and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.

Show me in the Bible where a farmer was accused of working on the Sabbath?

//Christ gave the keys to Peter? OK show me in the bible where PETER himself said 'I am the POPE'.---mike

I already gave it in another post replacing the main 12 Disciple's office.
Acts 1:20B

I'll make a deal with you.

I will give you another chapter and verse AFTER you give me the Farmer violating the Sabbath
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/16


Nicole

they were hungry. if they were farmers they are working on the Sabbath. they were in need. even Christ healed on the Sabbath because of a need.

Christ gave the keys to Peter? OK show me in the bible where PETER himself said 'I am the POPE' pope was never the 1st pope.
---mike on 8/22/16


//Christ even rested on a SABBATh---mike

No He didn't. Jesus and Disciples were Caught WORKING on the Sabbath! I cited Scriptures.

Matthew 12:1-8 OR DID HE? V8 For the SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH.

//Sorry dear, but we Sola Scriptura Protestants require a plain "Thus Saith the Lord" to establish a doctrine.
..but I doubt Jesus would agree--Jerry6593,//

You made that up! It means BIBLE ONLY. If it is not in the Bible, Protestants reject it.

Sorry sweet heart, but 'Whatsoever' is in the Bible!

Not only does He agree, I GAVE THE KEYS TO PETER!

Sola Scriptura which means only Words from the Bible.
Cite Scripture to me!

Which means 'NONE of your words!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/16


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Nicole

what did Christ say will you pull a child if he falls into a well on the Sabbath? king david had a need they did not break the Sabbath.

and where does it say SANCTIFIED, HOLY BLESSED in acts 20:7 NADA. 7th day Sabbath is NOT about breaking of bread it is about god's word of CREATION & REST. Christ even rested on a SABBATh after his work of redeeming us. Mary & co RESTED according to the commandment when place Christ in the tomb.
---mike on 8/22/16


Nicole: 'Whatsoever' includes moving The Sabbath rest to Sunday"

Sorry dear, but we Sola Scriptura Protestants require a plain "Thus Saith the Lord" to establish a doctrine, so give us BCV please. Your "whatsoever" doctrine may be convenient, but I doubt Jesus would agree, especially when it contradicts His own express Commandment.


---Jerry6593 on 8/22/16


Samuel, I believe you meant Micha.

Jerry, you need to argue with Jesus not me.

Jesus used the same WORD in Matthew 23:1-3 as he did in Matthew 16:19
"The SCRIBES and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe ALL

(Not just the rules you believe to be from God or Moses. BTW the Scribes/Pharisees DID add/change laws for the Jewish people)

things WHATSOEVER they tell you, but do not follow their example."

So Jesus KNOWS when to put stipulation if HE wishes.

He didn't wish to do so when He SPOKE to Peter concerning the 'Whatsoever'. Only that the whatsoever would be BINDING in Heaven.

'Whatsoever' includes moving The Sabbath rest to Sunday
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/16


Nicole lots of Baptist church today have accepted Dispensationalism which teaches the Ten Commandments are for the Old Testament and not for the new. There used to be some here who taught that.

Good points Jerry.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/21/16


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Nicole: With all due respect, Matthew 16:19 says nothing about a change of Sabbath to Sunday, nor is there any Scriptural evidence that Peter himself, or any other Disciple, kept Sunday holy. Your use of the single word "whatever" to justify the abrogation of Jesus direct Commandment is the weakest argument I've ever heard. You could make up anything and justify it with that logic.

As for the assertion that Sunday supplanted the Sabbath because of the Resurrection, this goes against Scripture itself, as it commands Baptism - not Sunday - as the memorial of the Resurrection.



---Jerry6593 on 8/21/16


He (Jesus) allowed Peter(RCC) to change the Sabbath day for rest for 2000 years and counting." I can't seem to find the Scripture that authorizes that change.//

Matthew 16:19 "Whatever" that is binding in Heaven.

//Your thesis denies the very words of the leaders in your denomination that the church made the change.---Jerry6593

I don't know what you are talking about.

The Sabbath is on Sunday because Jesus rose on a Sunday which secured our Salvation.

It makes logical sense to put Jesus 1st in our week as we should in the morning when we wake up.

The RCC celebrated the Sabbath on a Sunday which not only does She continues to do so, plus almost all of the Protestants continue to do as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/20/16


Nicole: "Which explains WHY He (Jesus) allowed Peter (RCC) to change the Sabbath day for rest for 2000 years and counting."

I can't seem to find the Scripture that authorizes that change. Can you help me? Besides, neither Peter, Paul, or any other disciple of Christ kept Sunday holy. The Sabbath was kept by Christians for hundreds of years after Peter's death.

Your thesis denies the very words of the leaders in your denomination that the church made the change.


---Jerry6593 on 8/20/16


Micha: "Which denominations officially teach that the Ten Commandments are NOT binding on Christians?
Any that truly follow biblical teaching."

Really? Name one. The official position of most denominations is that the Ten Commandments are indeed binding on Christians. This rabid antinomianism of today is a modern phenomenon.

FYI, circumcision is not one of the Ten Commandments.



---Jerry6593 on 8/20/16


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Mike said, "the word of god is preach. god does not force anyone to worship him but God specifically say to worship him because he is the creator not the one who resurrected on sunday/1st day. from genesis to revelation there is not one verse were God sanctified SUNDAy. yeah I heard the acts 20:7 colossians 1 corin tithing on the 1st day. those verses does not sanctify 1st day."

Have I said anything about forcing you to worship on Sunday? NO! I'm glad you've got a church home. What I do not like is being told repeatedly that I MUST worship on Saturday!

If you feel that it is necessary to worship on Saturday, go ahead. But please give us the same courtesy that we extend to you.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/16


Mike, ever heard of 'shooting fish in a barrel.'?

We can agree that Jesus is a Jew, right?

Jesus knew the Jewish law better than any other person including Moses, right?

If so in Matt 12:1-8 He states neither His Disciples or King David broke the Sabbath, who are you to say otherwise?

Then, Jesus seals the statement by saying why He knows they didn't break the Sabbath Law (Which by the way is a DEATH SENTENCE) in verse 8

For the SON of MAN is LORD of the SABBATH.

Which explains WHY He (Jesus) allowed Peter (RCC) to change the Sabbath day for rest for 2000 years and counting.
Jesus' promise in Matthew 16 (keys) and He is Lord of the Sabbath.

There goes a Jew who was present during the creation.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/16


Which denominations officially teach that the Ten Commandments are NOT binding on Christians?
Any that truly follow biblical teaching.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Acts 15:24,28 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment...For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things...
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient...
---micha9344 on 8/19/16


Nicole

jewish tradition? mark 2:23-27 Sabbath was made for MAN.

was there a jew in the six days of creation? NADA. there are many non-jew who observe the Sabbath.
---mike on 8/19/16


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monk

the word of god is preach. god does not force anyone to worship him but God specifically say to worship him because he is the creator not the one who resurrected on sunday/1st day. from genesis to revelation there is not one verse were God sanctified SUNDAy. yeah I heard the acts 20:7 colossians 1 corin tithing on the 1st day. those verses does not sanctify 1st day.
---mike on 8/19/16


Samuel said, "But Grace is not a license to sin. Breaking the laws of the Ten Commandments are still sin. Unless you say that following other gods, taking the name of GOD in vain. Disrespecting your parents, lying, murder, adultery, stealing and coveting are no longer sins."

But in that list you did not include the Sabbath. All of the above ARE sins, but I allow anyone to worship on whatever day they want.

I know of a group of senior women of color that meet in their assisted living building, and they worship on Thursday night. Do I break in and expostulate on the benefit of Sunday worship? NO!
---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/16


Jerry, 1. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law. Matthew 5:17

2. No more divorce Matthew 5:31 and Matthew 19:7-12

3. Jesus BROKE the Sabbath according to the Law! Matthew 12:1-8 OR DID HE? V8 For the SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH.

David ate bread of offering that only the Priests were allowed to eat

V5 "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the PRIESTS serving in the Temple VIOLATE the Sabbath and are innocent? I say to you, something GREATER than the Temple is here."

Jesus and Paul were circumcised, it stopped. Acts 15 Esp V10 WHY, then are you now putting God to the test by placing on the SHOULDERS of the DISCIPLES a YOKE that neither our ANCESTORS nor we have been ABLE TO BEAR?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/16


Jerry
Sorry for being Late to the party.
Good point and logically indefensible. Why do folks claim they are not under Law, and yet obey Sabbath Law, no matter the day of their observance?
---David on 8/19/16


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Wow Cluny, dumb point!

I see you are still trying to make a religion out of what the Bible does NOT say. Jesus and ALL His disciples (even Paul and the Gentiles) kept the Seventh-day Sabbath exclusively. They even kept it while Jesus was in the tomb. Jesus taught that we are to keep ALL the Ten Commandments, and that one jot or tittle would not be missing while heaven and earth last.

How do you reconcile your antinomianism with your Orthodox Church's upholding of the Ten Commandments?


---Jerry6593 on 8/19/16


//Please give EXACT book, chapter, and verse of the NEW TESTAMENT where Jesus or the Apostles said that Gentile believers were to obey the Saturday sabbath. This is the SECOND time of asking. ---Cluny on 8/18/16

Wow Cluny, great point!

I didn't see the 1st posting.

Just as we Gentiles don't have to circumcises boy and if we did it doesn't have to be on the 8th day

Will someone please ANSWER, Cluny?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/18/16


//the bible states that friday sunset to Saturday sunset starts the biblical day. 1st day sunday is NOT the new Sabbath.---mike

At least I am not relying on my own logic.

Using your own words which you are correct about the day according to Jewish tradition. Starts the evening before. BTW, So does the RCC.

Easter starts Saturday evening thus it is called EASTER VIGIL (Highest day of the year)
You all start celebrating Easter at sunrise.

Back to your own words and logic.

We start Sunday Services on Saturday Evenings. Jews finished their Sabbath.
Just like the Jews starting in the evening, so with us Catholics and Orthodox
Thus the 1st day of the week
New Sabbath celebrated by 1 billion Christians!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/18/16


Jerry said, "What's wrong with obeying Jesus' Commandment:...Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.

What's wrong with believing Jesus Word on other things, like Matt 26:26-28 or John 6:44-58?

I'll tell you what. You start practicing the things that Jesus said in those places (and there are more, besides) and then I'll start honoring the Sabbath. OK?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/18/16


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Please give EXACT book, chapter, and verse of the NEW TESTAMENT where Jesus or the Apostles said that Gentile believers were to obey the Saturday sabbath. This is the SECOND time of asking.
---Cluny on 8/18/16


I can see that you are following the teachings of the catholic church & following man.
btw one is in error? the bible states that friday sunset to Saturday sunset starts the biblical day. 1st day sunday is NOT the new Sabbath.
---mike on 8/18/16


Nicole: "What's wrong with putting Jesus at the 1st of your week?"

What's wrong with obeying Jesus' Commandment:

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.


---Jerry6593 on 8/18/16


//so does that make sunday the new Sabbath?//

YES, YES, YES! You got it!.

did Christ ever say 'I resurrected on the 1st day so 1st day is the new sabbath' NO.---mike

Not in those words, these words: Matthew 16:19

What's wrong with putting Jesus at the 1st of your week?

//the GOOD NEWS translation says 'on Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal---mike

True, I googled it. My advice is for you to stop using that translation.
Blue letter Bible, New International Bible, KJV, Bible Gateway and many others doesn't say Saturday evening nor fellowship meal.

Logic would suggest if one Bible states the opposite of 10 other translations, that one MIGHT be in error.
Common Sense.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


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Nicole

so does that make sunday the new Sabbath? did Christ ever say 'I resurrected on the 1st day so 1st day is the new sabbath' NO.
---mike on 8/17/16


the GOOD NEWS translation says 'on Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. paul spoke to the people & kept on speaking until midnight, since he was leaving on the next day. NOT A WORSHIP, sunday 1st day NOT sanctified
---mike on 8/17/16


// Why not believe your own Church leaders?//

Think I am stupid? BECAUSE IT WASN'T FROM THE RCC.

//You eat every day, don't you?---Jerry

We called it a meal.
Not 'Come have a breaking of bread with me'

Plus, I don't know about you, but each person gets their own cup.
I don't pass MY CUP around after drinking from it for everyone to SHARE!

Call breaking of bread because that is exactly what JESUS DID!

Matthew 26 In the MIDDLE of the meal Jesus took a loaf and after blessing it He BROKE it into pieces and gave it to the disciples

Mark 14
while they were STILL eating Jesus took a loaf, blessed it and BROKE IT

Luke 22 THEN He took a loaf and after thanking God He BROKE IT and gave it
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


How do you get a Sunday morning service out of that?--Samuelbb7

Update://"Suuday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution.-Catholic Record "You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the Sanctification of Sunday.---Jerry6593

Which I gave Acts 20:7

You are changing time and events of Scripture also?

Acts 20:7On the first day of the week (Sunday morning or later) we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day,(Monday is the next day since the 1st of the week is Sunday) kept on talking until midnight (Or just look at it as until 11:59PM Sunday night).
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16


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Nicole: "Breaking Bread is Communion."

The "breaking of bread" argument is extremely weak at best. It was indeed the daily meal. You eat every day, don't you? Why not believe your own Church leaders?

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.... The Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is therefore to this day the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church...without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world." - The Catholic Mirror, Sept.23,1893


---Jerry6593 on 8/17/16


Acts 20:7 has no statement of authorizing any day.

Also Paul preached till Midnight of the first day of the week.

Jew had days from sunset to sunset. So Saturday night is the start of the first day of the week. Sunday Morning Paul left on a trip.

How do you get a Sunday morning service out of that?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/16/16


//does that make Thursday the 'NEW Sabbath?' no.//

No it makes it HOLY THURSDAY.

But we should break bread weekly NOT yearly.

BTW, Christ was crucified on Friday.


//acts20:7 is a classic excuse to justify sunday as holy or new Sabbath.//

MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S SCRIPTURE?

//Paul was leaving for TROAS to go to Jerusalem for the PASSOVER...leaving the next day. read the whole passage not just one verse---mike

And you need to read the whole passages IN ORDER.

Don't read V7 then V6

Paul was already in Troas for 7 days BEFORE breaking bread on the 1st day.

Acts 20:6-7
6..five days we came to them at Troas, where we stayed for seven days.
7 On the first day of the week,
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16


lacey
the apostles BROKE BREAD on the 1st day. SOOO...Christ broke break before he was crucified on Thursday. does that make Thursday the 'NEW Sabbath?' no. the RESURRECTION 1st sunday is taught by the catholic church & handed down to 'protestantism'. Christ did not sanctify or made sunday/1st day holy. if any MAN say that sunday is HOLY then YOU are a cult for GOD can only make a day holy NOT man
---mike on 8/16/16


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lacey
acts20:7 is a classic excuse to justify sunday as holy or new Sabbath. Paul was leaving for TROAS to go to Jerusalem for the PASSOVER. he met & talked with the people before leaving the next day. read the whole passage not just one verse. and the aposltes did not say 'if you don't observe 1st day bec we broke bread you are shut out of salvation. only Constantine (church & state)said that
---mike on 8/16/16


"Sunday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution.-Catholic Record//

Catholic Record isn't from the RCC, but a Protestant data soucre because the RCC doesn't CALL itself an institution.

//"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the Sanctification of Sunday.---Jerry6593

The single line is in Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.

ACTS is between Genesis and Revelation.

First day is Sunday.

Breaking Bread is Communion

Note they didn't COME together for a MEAL, but for BREAKING BREAD which means Sunday was Sanctified by this single ACT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16


Nicole: "Who stopped the Sabbath rest??? Not the RCC."

"Sunday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no Scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday." - Catholic Record, Sept. 17, 1893.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the Sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." - James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, p. 111.


---Jerry6593 on 8/16/16


Nicole, do you believe Jesus is greater than Peter? Than the Pope? He established the Seventh-day Sabbath as the HOLY day of rest. Now, does the RCC teach that the 10C are binding on Christians or not?---Jerry6593

Jesus is greater and CAN decide who HE wishes to give His Authority as HE DID with Peter.

Who stopped the Sabbath rest????
Not the RCC.

In fact the reason 99% of Protestants celebrate and rest on Sundays as the Sabbath Commandant is from the RCC.

So stop trying to trick others with your false accusation.

Just cite your disagreement with making the Sabbath rest on a Sunday.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/15/16


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Cluny: "Jerry, how did I know you'd drag the Saturday Sabbath in about now?"

How did I know that you would accuse me of something I did not do? It was you and Nicole that brought up the Sabbath - not me. But the truth has never been relevant to you, has it?

Why are you an antinomian hypocrite when your Orthodox denomination has determined that the Ten Commandment Law is indeed binding on Christians?


---Jerry6593 on 8/15/16


Jerry, how did I know you'd drag the Saturday Sabbath in about now? Anyway, can you please give BCV in the NEW TESTAMENT where it is obligatory on GENTILE Christians?
---Cluny on 8/14/16


Nicole, do you believe Jesus is greater than Peter? Than the Pope?

Jesus was the Creator in Eden where He established the Seventh-day Sabbath as the HOLY day of rest.

Jesus was the lawgiver on Mt. Sinai where He wrote with His own finger in stone: REMEMBER the Seventh-day Sabbath.

Jesus customarily kept the Seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday) holy while here on earth.

Jesus said: (Mat 5:18) ... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, and (Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep MY commandments.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now, does the RCC teach that the 10C are binding on Christians or not?
---Jerry6593 on 8/14/16


Jerry, do you believe Jesus is greater than Moses?

Besides, the keeping the Sabbath Holy is the Command.

Sunday is the new Sabbath established by the RCC as Her Authority given by Jesus in Matthew 16:19
'Whatever' is a very big BLANK CHECK. Binding Heaven as the payer.

Before you claim that power wasn't handed down to other Popes, please read Matthew 23:2-3 about Moses' Chair. Not Moses himself but those who seating in his seat.

There goes that word again: 'WHATSOEVER' and that blank check. FORCED obedience from Jesus saying OBSERVE all things WHATSOEVER they TELL you,

No permission given NOT to do WHATSOEVER is told to you.

Why are you NOT going to Church on Sundays since Heaven bounded themselves?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/13/16


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Cluny: "Oh, are you talking about the Decalogue, intending to drag in the Saturday Sabbath issue for a change, Jerry?"

No Cluny, only to show the hypocrisy of those whose denominations (such as the Orthodox) do indeed extol the virtues of the Ten Commandments while they claim exemption from them.

How about you personally, Cluny, do you believe that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians or not?


micha9344: What denomination are you?



---Jerry6593 on 8/13/16


Well I'm not Jerry but the SDA don't teach us to be self righteous. All our Righteousness come from Jesus Christ who justifies us.

When you say we are not under the law. There is two ways to view that. One we are not saved by the law. It teaches us and show us what is a sin. But we are saved by grace alone.

But Grace is not a license to sin. Breaking the laws of the Ten Commandments are still sin. Unless you say that following other gods, taking the name of GOD in vain. Disrespecting your parents, lying, murder, adultery, stealing and coveting are no longer sins.

So which are you saying? The law doesn't save? Or you can live in sin and it is okay?

Romans 6, and 13 sat the second is wrong.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/12/16


Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Gal 2:21,3:23-25 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain...But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
-How is that self-righteousness doing for you Jerry?
---micha9344 on 8/12/16


Wrong, Richard C.

"Book of the Law" is the Torah, not the Bible as a whole.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/12/16


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Jerry the believer not being bound by the law is not a denominational teaching, it is the teaching of the apostle Paul, that is taught by many denominations.
---josef on 8/12/16


Galatians 3:10 - FOR as many as are of the works of the Law are under the curse : for it is written, Cursed is every one that contineth not in all things which are written in the Book of Law to do them

3:11 - But no man is justified by the Law in the sight of God , it is evident , The just shall live by faith,


( Book of law -----> Bible }
---RichardC on 8/11/16


Oh, are you talking about the Decalogue, intending to drag in the Saturday Sabbath issue for a change, Jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/11/16


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