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Hi I was wondering can you have communion on your own or is it in fellowship with others only?

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Some people are alone for much of the time. A person, living alone, can have communion (with God) so that person is not actually alone.

If God is present, (which he will be if this is being done seriously and with correct motives) then the person can partake of bread and wine (or substitutes for both, if necessary) and be absolutely confident that the right thing was done.

On the other side of the coin, many can meet in church with a priest to 'have communion' and spend the whole service thinking about the dinner they've left cooking, what they will do later in the day and the argument they had with a neighbour yesterday.

I know which communion service will have God's approval.
---Rita_H on 9/1/16


//I know this is controversial, but the Host IS Jesus. You, yourself have referenced this in the past, in talking about locking Jesus in a box.---Monk_Brendan on 8/31/16

Excellent point.


//StrongAxe, have you heard of a toy called a jack-in-the-box?
The term originally was a mockery of the Reserved Sacrament.---Cluny on 8/31/16

I didn't know that?

People can be so mean.

Thanks for the info.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/31/16


StrongAxe, have you heard of a toy called a jack-in-the-box?

The term originally was a mockery of the Reserved Sacrament.

I will mention here that devotions to the Reserved Gifts (as we call them) are unknown in Orthodoxy, except in the context of the Liturgy of the Pre-Sanctified Gifts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/16


StrongAxe said,"One can adore Jesus without requiring an object to focus on. If the host is not exposed, you imagine it is there, and focus on an imagined object - no different than focusing on an imagined Jesus who is not visibly present."

I know this is controversial, but the Host IS Jesus. You, yourself have referenced this in the past, in talking about locking Jesus in a box. A candle (or light) on the altar when Mass is not in progress means that Jesus is inside the "box." If you don't believe in that, fine--go pray where you will and when you will, or leave God alone, if you desire.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/31/16


//Adoration focused on an object is idolatry...important enough to be one of the Ten Commandments//

Not only important enough but idolatry is forbidden as the FIRST COMMANDMENT!

I know that

Move on

//One can adore Jesus without requiring an object to focus on.//

I am Adoring Jesus as HE commanded ME!

You do know Jesus became FLESH?

He took on Flesh because He can DO WHATSOEVER HE WISHES!

Muslims and Jewish people believe you are Guilty of idolatry when you CLAIM JESUS to be GOD.

The Jewish people had Jesus CRUCIFIED for 'CLAIMING to be God.

Do you think they were right in saying Jesus isn't God, or were they wrong?

They were wrong as you are wrong today.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/31/16




Nicole_Lacey:

Adoration focused on an object is idolatry. This is why it was forbidden to Israel - important enough to be one of the Ten Commandments.

One can adore Jesus without requiring an object to focus on. If the host is not exposed, you imagine it is there, and focus on an imagined object - no different than focusing on an imagined Jesus who is not visibly present. Why would you need one invisible thing to help focus on another? Why not go straight to the source?

I was referring to YOUR specific mention of a specific candle used to indicate whether or not there were any consecrated hosts in the tabernacle. I was not referring to any other candles, of which I am perfectly well aware that there are many of.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/16


//The whole point of my reductio ad absurdum was to question the necessity of having a candle outside. Who needs to know? The laity don't - that's the priest's job, and the priest should already know. ---StrongAxe on 8/30/16

You say this because you have forgotten from your youth about ADORATION.

Which can be done with the Blessed Sacrament EXPOSED OR NOT EXPOSED.

Either way, their are ALWAYS lit candles as during Mass as well.

You speak from your ignorance
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/30/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Jesus is everywhere, BUT NOT in a locked box?

In this case, there is no need to have a candle to show he is in the box. To be consistent, you would need to have candles everywhere.

Jesus can ONLY be where StrongAxe claims He is to be??

No, Jesus is where HE HIMSELF claims he is.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/16


//Luke 22:19-Me ..leaving a light on?//

Going in circles.

He is Present in the Eucharist which is kept in the Tabernacle. Lighted candles are for the Faithful's knowledge

//celebrate the Lord's supper together", not "keep Jesus in a box".

I gave Matt 16:13, because I knew you were going to say that.

//Jesus is EVERYWHERE two or believers are gathered together - not locked in a little box where people can't get to him---StrongAxe

He is there for us to visit Him, but please read your statement SLOWLY.

Jesus is everywhere, BUT NOT in a locked box?

Jesus can ONLY be where StrongAxe claims He is to be??

News flash: Inside a Tabernacle is still in the realm of EVERYWHERE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/30/16


Cluny:

You wrote: (or as you so irreverently put it"keep Jesus in a box")

I was merely stripping off fluff and reducing the assertion to its bare logical minimum.

As I previously said, Reservation is to make the Eucharistic Christ MORE available.

The whole point of my reductio ad absurdum was to question the necessity of having a candle outside. Who needs to know? The laity don't - that's the priest's job, and the priest should already know.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/16




\\Besides, "do this in memory of me" was "celebrate the Lord's supper together", not "keep Jesus in a box".\\

In the East, the Mysteries are reserved in the Tabernacle (or as you so irreverently put it"keep Jesus in a box") is strictly to be able to give Communion to sick and shut-ins.

\\Jesus is EVERYWHERE two or believers are gathered together - not locked in a little box where people can't get to him!\\

I'm not doubting the first part of your statement, but His Eucharistic presence is different qualitatively from His presence in the worshipping body.

As I previously said, Reservation is to make the Eucharistic Christ MORE available.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: YES HE DID. Luke 22:19 He took the Bread,..."THIS IS MY BODY,..do this in memory of me."

Whatever does this have to do with leaving a light on?

Besides, "do this in memory of me" was "celebrate the Lord's supper together", not "keep Jesus in a box".

Matt 16:13

What does this have to do with anything being discussed? It's about who JESUS is, not about a light on a box!

I answered to let everyone KNOW Jesus is in the LOCKED Tabernacle.

Jesus is EVERYWHERE two or believers are gathered together - not locked in a little box where people can't get to him!
---StrongAxe on 8/30/16


//Jesus said "whenever two or three are gathered in my name, I am there also", not "whenever the light is on near the altar, I am there also"//

YES HE DID. Luke 22:19 He took the Bread,..."THIS IS MY BODY,..do this in memory of me."

Matt 26:26 Jesus took bread... "Take and eat: THIS IS MY BODY

Mark 14:22 He took Bread,..."TAKE IT, THIS IS MY BODY."

Matt 16:13 Pope ordered how the FAITHFUL would know Jesus is PRESENT

//I can't open it...It is locked.-Me
Why don't you take the hint? ---StrongAxe

You asked why is the candle lit?

I answered to let everyone KNOW Jesus is in the LOCKED Tabernacle.

BTW, I know where the key is located.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/16


\\And Nicole, it isn't always a candle. I have seen electric lights, among other things, (tacky) used to mark the Presence of the Eucharist in the Tabernacle.\\
Insurance regulations or local fire laws might have something to do with that.//---Cluny

Tacky indeed.

I heard it was because of Insurance regulations.

But to my understanding electric lights were NOT APPROVED by the Vatican. They are NOT to use them.

All they were told by the Insurance agency was to keep the lit candle Monitored 24/7.

Churches refused to pay the manpower and they themselves chose electric lights as a cheaper alternative.

Only 51% (or more) virgin male bees made wax candles allowed.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/16


\\And Nicole, it isn't always a candle. I have seen electric lights, among other things, (tacky) used to mark the Presence of the Eucharist in the Tabernacle.\\

Insurance regulations or local fire laws might have something to do with that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/16


The Muslims are outbreeding you guys.---Jerry6593

Wrong. You have to add BOTH sects of Muslims to surpass Catholics by 0.2%. 19.3% to 19.5%

But if you add all Christians with Catholics we surpass all Muslims by 15%. 34% to 19.5%

AGAIN, Al JAZEERA (Muslim) themselves CITED that 8 millions Africans are converting from Muslims to the RCC A YEAR!

Africans have over 5 children per family.

Meaning Muslims are DECREASING and Catholics are INCREASING.

I am in the majority

Remember, the Media WANTS you to think Muslims are growing.

They are not. They have force conversion (which doesn't last) and losing the ones they have due to violence.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/16


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: How else will someone know Jesus isn't in the Tabernacle?

Jesus said, "whenever two or three are gathered in my name, I am there also", not "whenever the light is on near the altar, I am there also".

I can't open it and take a peek myself. It is locked.

When it's locked and you don't have the key, that is a good indicator that what's inside under lock and key isn't any of your business. Why don't you take the hint?
---StrongAxe on 8/29/16


Some teach the Lords Supper as a celebration taught by Jesus(Luke 22:14-20)
The twelve didn't understand the mystery of the cross that night. They were not celebrating is evident when Jesus called his betrayers(Luke 22:21 Matt 26:22)
Lords supper, communion, and Lords table appear in the Corinthians epistle, not the Messiahs ministry to Israel.
The bread isn't the physical body of Jesus, it's the church, the boC. (1 Cor 10:16-17)
The cup isn't the blood shed in shame for Israel, it's the blood that bought salvation and forgiveness for all(Acts 20:28, 1 Cor 12:13).
The meaning of the bread and cup in Luke was a necessary sacrifice for Israels new testament, not a sacrament, institution, or celebration for the church.
---michael_e on 8/29/16


Nicole: "I agree with you, but since the RCC has more follower than Islam.
I happen to be in the MAJORITY"

Check the latest stats Nicole, you are no longer in the majority. The Muslims are outbreeding you guys.



---Jerry6593 on 8/29/16


I do not take communion because I do not want to take it in an unworthily manner as I am not feeling right with God. The Jehovah witness will invite you to their rare remembrance than do not want you to partake as they feel it is only for those who hope to be among the 144,000. I think some people commune with God in every meal, and some people give thanks to God for everything they eat and in every circumstance. Eunoch walked with the Lord. God walked with Adam. Some people enjoy a special relationship with God. Of the Lords Supper, I think it is best administered by the cloth (a pastor or priest) with exceptions granted. But when people substitute chips or cookies and cola, it bothers me, and people are deviant, it bothers me.
---mike4879 on 8/28/16


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Nicole Lacey said, "(make sure a there is a candle lit inside a RED candle holder)"

It doesn't have to be red. I have seen green, white, gold, blue and purple as well.

And Nicole, it isn't always a candle. I have seen electric lights, among other things, (tacky) used to mark the Presence of the Eucharist in the Tabernacle.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/28/16


Many people didn't know this, but at least since 2013, Christianity is the primary religion in Africa.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/28/16


//Nicole should convert to Islam.---Jerry6593

I agree with you, but since the RCC has more follower than Islam.
I happen to be in the MAJORITY


Strongaxe,
nothing, I only am giving you an invitation.

The red candle signifies that Jesus is present in the Tabernacle next to the red holder candle when it is lit.

If the candle in the red holder isn't lit, it is an empty Church.

How else will someone know Jesus isn't in the Tabernacle?

I can't open it and take a peek myself. It is locked.

As you will remember once a year the Priest removes Jesus from the Tabernacle at the end of Holy Thursday until Easter Vigil.
The candle in the red holder is NOT LIT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/28/16


\\Or pop into a Church (make sure a there is a candle lit
inside a RED candle holder) for one minute.

What does a candle in a red holder have to do with anything? It sounds like yet another man-made rule.\\

Nicole, in the Latin Rite, while red is the most common globe color in use, it's actually supposed to be a WHITE light.

In many Orthodox monasteries--where the Holy Gifts are ALWAYS reserved--the color of the sanctuary light globe corresponds to the liturgical season

I know one Eastern Church where it's usually blue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/16


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MarkAxe: " A belief's validity is determined by whether it's true, not by whether it's popular"

So very true! The majority has never been in the right on religious matters. If it were, then Nicole should convert to Islam.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.



---Jerry6593 on 8/28/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Have you been to a Mass since you were 18 years old?

Yes, but what does that have to do with anything we have been discussing?

Or pop into a Church (make sure a there is a candle lit
inside a RED candle holder) for one minute.


What does a candle in a red holder have to do with anything? It sounds like yet another man-made rule.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/16


Strongaxe, you seem to be a reasonable man.

Have you been to a Mass since you were 18 years old?

If not, why not come and see?

Trust me, it isn't like it use to be in the 70's or 80's.

Or pop into a Church (make sure a there is a candle lit
inside a RED candle holder) for one minute.

Think about it.

You won't lose any thing by going?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/27/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: How convenient since I am WINNING the argument.

So you claim, but that is irrelevant. Even if you are, winning an empty argument gives an empty victory. Enjoy it, if it means that much to you.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/16


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//Nicole_Lacey:
This whole argument is irrelevant anyway.---StrongAxe on 8/26/16


How convenient since I am WINNING the argument.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16


Nicole_Lacey:

This whole argument is irrelevant anyway. A belief's validity is determined by whether it's true, not by whether it's popular. We frequently see cults spring up and attract many people, despite the fact that their beliefs are wrong. In the Revelation, the Cult of the Beast will outnumber all other beliefs, but that won't make it correct.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/16


/'Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing-Me

the membership at the baptist church..doubled in that time. The attendance at two other baptist churches..increased in number quite significantly also.---Rita_H

Thanks, but those do not count.

Because I can count on different Catholic Parishes (individual Churches of the RCC) that are growing like mad fire, or have decreased so much that the Diocese had to CLOSE the Church Parish.
The Priests were assigned to another Parish.

So if 5 Baptist Churches are growing, there are 7 other Baptist Churches decreasing.
Making the avg of growth to null and or declining.

Southern Baptist (Largest of all Baptist) voiced the decline of membership 2 or 4 years ago.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/16


StrongAxe said, "This supposedly legitimized the RCC because it was the only growing Christian group. I was merely using reductio ad absurdum to dispute the idea that church growth does not, in and of itself, confer legitimacy to that church."

Fine, Never mind!
---Monk_Brendan on 8/25/16


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Has anyone read the DIDACHE, possibly the earliest Christian writing not in the NT (dated to 70 AD).

It SPECIFICALLY talks about gathering together TO CELEBRATE THE EUCHARIST--which it also refers to as a sacrifice.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/16


'Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing INSTEAD of declining. ONE. The RCC is the only one GROWING.'

Referring to individual churches, rather than the denomination as a whole, the membership at the baptist church I have attended since I moved house 5 years ago has more than doubled in that time. The attendance at two other baptist churches close by has increased in number quite significantly also.
---Rita_H on 8/25/16


//Because it isn't Christian, it cannot be Protestant.//

Monk is correct, You KNEW I was asking for a Protestant name which means a CHRISTIAN

//Nicole_Lacey said: Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing INSTEAD of declining. ONE. The RCC is the only one GROWING.

This supposedly legitimized the RCC because it was the only growing Christian group.---StrongAxe

I guess not since I PROVED that Islam isn't growing either.

Those so called converted Muslim cited by Muslim are left out because they were forced conversion.

Which numbers are rejected since they are cited by a 3rd party who are bias.

Al Jazeera cited a DECREASE not an increased and just from one Continent
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: Because it isn't Christian, it cannot be Protestant. Islam is a totally different belief system (as you know), and has nothing to do with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit we worship.

So what? Nicole_Lacey said: Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing INSTEAD of declining. ONE. The RCC is the only one GROWING.

This supposedly legitimized the RCC because it was the only growing Christian group. I was merely using reductio ad absurdum to dispute the idea that church growth does not, in and of itself, confer legitimacy to that church.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/16


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\\John 6 was about hungry people having lunch\\

But Jesus Himself used it as a prophecy about the Eucharist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/16


StrongAxe said, "How about Islam, and that isn't even Christian?"

Because it isn't Christian, it cannot be Protestant. Islam is a totally different belief system (as you know), and has nothing to do with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit we worship.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/23/16


Acts 1:15-26 Replacing a disciple's office.

V20b 'May another take his OFFICE' V26 Matthias, and he was COUNTED with the eleven apostles = 12.

Matthew 16:18 I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.- Jesus
Long term, not just until 100 A.D.

Your remark about the Eucharist didn't come from you. PLEASE BE CAREFUL!

//By 2050: Christians: +31.4%, Muslims +29.7%. ---StrongAxe

TODAY's Numbers in 2016, not WISHFUL thinking for 2050.

If 8 million a year are CONVERTING in Africa alone to become Catholic NOW, (AL Jazeera) it means Muslims are decreasing not growing. They have LARGE families.

Give me today's numbers as fact not hoping numbers.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Mandated attendance is in the 'Whatsoever' in Matthew 16:19 and BINDING in Heaven.

We have only the RCC's word Peter conveyed this authority to his successor. Popes are dead when their successors are chosen.

Obviously you never been to a RCC or Orthodox Mass John 6 all over it.

I was raised RCC, and attended mass for 18 years. Eucharist is about spiritual union with God. John 6 was about hungry people having lunch. NOT the same (and Paul warns people who are hungry to eat at home and not corrupt the Lord's Supper).

By 2050: Christians: +31.4%, Muslims +29.7%. Catholics are gaining because they typically have more children. Muslims are gaining in Israel for the same reason.
---StrongAxe on 8/21/16


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ANYWHERE is in Hebrews 10:25
We should NOT stay away from our ASSEMBLY, as is the custom of some,

Mandated attendance is in the 'Whatsoever' in Matthew 16:19 and BINDING in Heaven.

Obviously you never been to a RCC or Orthodox Mass John 6 all over it.

//How about Islam, and that isn't even Christian?---StrongAxe

Nope, they still don't pass the RCC and are declining as well.
8 MILLIONS of Muslim African are converting to the Catholic Church YEARLY.- Quote from Al Jazeera not the RCC

Still you have to combine both fractions to make 19.6% passing the RCC's 19.4%

Combine all fractions Christians against Muslims the numbers are Christians 35% to Muslims 19.6%

Christians only: name one Protestant.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Forced attendance was NEVER a requirement for salvation ANYWHERE in the New Testament. Paul said if ANYONE taught a gospel different than what he taught, EVEN IF IT WERE AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, that person was CONDEMNED.

Jesus NEVER mandated attendance. Expanding his commandment teaches "the commandments of men", and by threatening those who disobey with hell, that becomes "another gospel", since the rules of salvation are changed.

What do you think happens during MASS John 6

Nothing in John 6 remotely connects it with the Eucharist.

Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing INSTEAD of declining. ONE

How about Islam, and that isn't even Christian?
---StrongAxe on 8/21/16


Monk_Brendan said:o) "BTW, Communion has at its root Community, which means that one person cannot have communion with himself."
"Truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ". 1Jo 1:3 [Though] the fellowship of the Spirit Phl 2:1
If you are looking to prove me incorrect, do it with scripture. I defined the word 'koinonia', biblically transliterated as communion, earlier in this blog on 8/17.
The only time I see the word communion in scripture, as concerning the Lord's supper, is as it relates to "the cup of blessing and the bread we break" as being associated with "the blood and body of Christ". 1Co 10:16
I see nothing about a community gathering.
---Josef on 8/20/16


Josef said, "I don't understand what that verse has to do with a command to gather for the what is referred to as the Lord's supper. I don't understand why "gathering" with another human being would be required..."

What do you want to do? Sit on the floor, eat matzos, and drink grape juice? Go for it, have fun. But that isn't communion. The Eucharist (as understood by all of the pre-Reformation Churches) is a transformative event in which bread and wine (note: wine, not grape juice) become the Body and Blood of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.

BTW, Communion has at its root Community, which means that one person cannot have communion with himself.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/20/16


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//1) That it is a command to assemble..never go to church at all//

We are taught it is a moral sin NOT to go to Mass every Sunday (unless illness) Which is binding as a Command given by Jesus in Matthew 16:19

What PART of "WHATEVER" don't you understand?

//2) That it is expressly for the purpose of communion.//

YES and AMEN!
What do you think happens during MASS John 6

//It is possible for Christians to assemble without having communion ---StrongAxe

Nope, only in your dying assemblies.
Denominations without Holy Communion has a life span of 100 yrs (generous)

Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing INSTEAD of declining. ONE

The RCC is the only one GROWING.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/20/16


"Josef, what part of, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is," do you not understand?" ---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/16

I don't understand what that verse has to do with a command to gather for the what is referred to as the Lord's supper. I don't understand why "gathering" with another human being would be required or necessary to do something that is meant to remind us of Jesus and His sacrifice for us, nor where Jesus made that a requirement. If you have those answers, please share.
---Josef on 8/19/16


Chria, Jesus is clear when He wishes to speak to a group. Sometimes 72 Disciples, 12 Disciples, 3 or just 1 Disciple.

Matthew 17:9 "Do not tell the vision to anyone until..."

A command they ALL kept until the Resurrection. He wasn't just speaking to Peter.

But did speak to ONLY Peter in John 21:15-19 and handed only to Peter the Keys with a Command in Matthew 16:16-19

Besides why are you denying what is so obvious?
Jesus gave a Command to all 12, He broke the bread and told them to DO THIS (breaking bread) in remembrance of ME.

Guess what? The Apostles DID as seen in Acts and the other Epistles.

The Apostles should know what Jesus Commanded better than us.
We were not there, they were.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/16


Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: Josef, what part of, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is," do you not understand?

There are two unwarranted assumptions that are often made about this verse:
1) That it is a command to assemble (i.e. to go to church every week). It is not. It is a command to not forsake assembly (i.e. never go to church at all)
2) That it is expressly for the purpose of communion. Jesus said, "Do this in memory of me". He did not "Do this in memory of me at every opportunity". It is possible for Christians to assemble without having communion.

Eucharist is a community worship experience.

Agreed.
---StrongAxe on 8/19/16


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Josef asked, "What does that have to do with Jesus, or anyone else giving a command to gather for the Lord's supper? Which is the topic of this discussion."

Josef, what part of, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is," do you not understand? There is time and room for personal prayer, but the Eucharist is a community worship experience.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/16


Nicole,"it still doesn't change the fact that you answered his post well." Thanks, however in editing to fit, might have lost some of intent

Jesus taught groups as well as individuals. Those groups, whether the twelve or thousands, were much like a class, where a teacher speaks to all but students individually utilize what is learned, and how they perceive what is taught may vary. Instructions given would not be assumed to pertain only in a group setting unless explicitly specified. While spoken to you/ye (group), there is no further specification to gather or that communion must be in a group in order to be communion. Fellowship with the Father and Son is specified, and paramount in verses given by Josef.
---chria9396 on 8/19/16


"How about Hebrews 10:24-25: And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/18/16/i


What does that have to do with Jesus, or anyone else giving a command to gather for the Lord's supper? Which is the topic of this discussion.
---Josef on 8/18/16


//My post was a response to the original post as well as thoughts concerning the general conversation, and I agree with Josef. My post was not to dispute.---chria9396 on 8/18/16

Hi Chria, it still doesn't change the fact that you answered his post well.

If even you didn't mean to answer his question.

You gave a definition of Communion which is correct no matter who's side it helps.

It's a group setting.

Coming together to unite for a certain purpose.

The truth is the truth no matter who states it.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/18/16


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This line was meant to read
"[In] the only place in scripture that specifically makes reference to the Lord's supper as a gathering, there was a reprimanded..."
And I reiterate in answering Marcia's question, gathering is not a mandate.
---Josef on 8/18/16


Josef quoted "And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you, do this in remembrance of me"

He then went on to say, "You keep repeating those verses, but where's the command to Gather?"

How about Hebrews 10:24-25: And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/18/16


Nicole "Chria answered you well."
Hi Nicole, My post was a response to the original post as well as thoughts concerning the general conversation, and I agree with Josef. My post was not to dispute.

Space limits did not allow me to post all verses, some of which Josef posted.

Rev 3:20 an example of the concept, pertains to individuals as well as group.
The Greek word that is translated communion, is more often (12x) translated fellowship, as seen in other verses posted.

Rita: "I don't see the words they were certainly in a group 'when' He said it." Yes. Being spoken to a group does not nullify pertinence to individuals.
---chria9396 on 8/18/16


"You started disputing gathering together in breaking of bread as a Command of Jesus, by giving me series of Scripture after the Gospel."

Nicole where did you get that idea? Jesus gave no such command, so there is nothing to dispute.

"Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you, do this in remembrance of me


You keep repeating those verses, but where's the command to Gather?
---Josef on 8/18/16


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Great question!
I have Communion on my own. Fresh bread and Wine/Grape Juice are preferable, but, I buy the Communion Kits at Christian Book Distributors (CBD), by mail, or on-line. And, they're the already-prepared cups.
I read from Scriptures, quoting the Lord YAHUSHUA's (JESUS') Words as He distributes the Last Supper. And, always make sure there is no on-going sin in my life. Repenting of any known sin, in other words. Ideally, too, I could do this daily. At least, once a week is my goal.
---Gordon on 8/18/16


//Stop trying to go PASS the Gospel to dispute Jesus' Words."--Nicole_Lacey
You've lost me. What are you talking about?---Josef

You started disputing gathering together in breaking of bread as a Command of Jesus, by giving me series of Scripture after the Gospel.

//The only place in scripture that specifically makes reference to the Lord's supper as a gathering, there was a reprimanded...See reference 1 Co 11:17-30..Gathering is not a mandate.--Josef on 8/17/16

When you can rely on Jesus' Words alone at the Last Supper telling us to do so as a Command.

Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you, do this in remembrance of me
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


"Stop trying to go PASS the Gospel to dispute Jesus' Words."--Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16

You've lost me. What are you talking about?
---Josef on 8/17/16


Truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1Jo 1:3 For God is faithful, by whom [we] were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 1Co 1:9 [Though] the fellowship of the Spirit Phl 2:1 And the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death. Phl 3:10--Josef on 8/17/16

Stop trying to go PASS the Gospel to dispute Jesus' Words.

Jesus gave the Disciples a Command at the Last Supper.

The RCC is always Obedient.

You follow Jesus anyway you wish.

But as far as the RCC (including me) we Believe following Jesus means to follow Him on HIS TERMS not our terms
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


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Truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1Jo 1:3 For God is faithful, by whom [we] were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 1Co 1:9 [Though] the fellowship of the Spirit Phl 2:1 And the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death. Phl 3:10 Communion simply references the body of Christ collectively, not as gathering, but rather in the sense of fellowship, participation, association, or communication with the Father and the Son through His Spirit. Concerning the Lords supper we do that by the breaking and consumption of bread and wine in remembrance of His atoning sacrifice for us.
---Josef on 8/17/16


The only place in scripture that specifically makes reference to the Lord's supper as a gathering, there was a reprimanded. Those that were supposedly gathered together to honor Jesus, and calling it the Lord's supper were rebuked severely for the pretense, during the gathering, because when they came together, it was not the Lords supper that they ate. For some of them hurried 'to eat their own meal', (obviously during that time), without sharing with others. As a result, some went hungry while others got drunk. See reference 1 Co 11:17-30 I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with gathering for the supper, or that it was never done, only that it is not required. Gathering is not a mandate.
---Josef on 8/17/16


These verses says nothing about a command to gather for the event. ---Josef

Chria answered you well.

The concept of communion is found in several places.
Rev 3:20 communion with the Lord. Spoken to church, individuals---chria9396 on 8/17/16

But if you want Jesus' Words here you go:

Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you, do this in remembrance of me

'Do' is a verb: Action.

Rita, "..this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me." in 1 Corinthians 11:25 has an action option as well.

'do ye' Verb with pronoun.

Action directed to persons
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


1 Corinthians 11:25 tells us to "do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

I don't see the words "when we are assembled together" but they were certainly in a group 'when' He said it. This proves nothing either way but my feeling is that it is far better to be with others who 'are in communion with each other' than to do it alone but there is nothing to indicate that it must NOT be done alone.

Circumstances can change things and I have done it just with my children in the past when their dad was away and the children were ill and unable to attend church. We used ordinary bread and blackcurrant juice (our church uses alcohol-free wine). It was meaningful and a blessing and that is what matters.
---Rita_H on 8/17/16


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The word communion is used 4 times in the KJV New Testament. Twice in 1Cor10:16 and in 1Cor 6:14, 2Cor 13:14.

Communion: G2842
fellowship, communion, communication, distribution, contribution, to communicate,
intimacy

from G2844
a partner, associate, comrade, companion, sharer, in anything

The concept of communion is found in several places.
Rev 3:20 communion with the Lord. Spoken to church, individuals
---chria9396 on 8/17/16


"Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you, do this in remembrance of me.
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16"


These verses says nothing about a command to gather for the event.
---Josef on 8/16/16


//Then it should be simple for you to provide the book chapter and verse Nicole. ---Josef on 8/16/16

Sure, happy to answer your request even when you don't return the favor.

Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, This is my body given for you, do this in remembrance of me.
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16


"The command came from JESUS at the Last Supper in the 1st 3 Gospels."

Then it should be simple for you to provide the book chapter and verse Nicole.
---Josef on 8/16/16


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//you know this how? As far as I know there was no command to gather for that purpose. He simply said "as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lords death till He comes."---josef on 8/15/16

REALLY?

ACTS 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the DISCIPLES came TOGETHER to break bread (COMMONUNION), Paul preached unto THEM,...


Again, 'He' you speak of when you claim no command and what he simply told us is Paul.

The command came from JESUS at the Last Supper in the 1st 3 Gospels.

'HE' (in the GOSPELS), Jesus COMMANDED the Disciples to 'Do this in remembrance of Him (Jesus).

Paul wasn't at the Last Supper
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16


"Since the Apostles in Acts continued to celebrate Communion in a group setting we know it has to be in a group setting."

And you no this how? As far as I know there was no command to gather for that purpose. He simply said "as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lords death till He comes."
---josef on 8/15/16


Actually, the Greek word ANAMNESIS used in the NT in this context is not a mere mental remembrance.

It's a making present of what is being commemorated.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/16/16


Leon, you are correct.

Josef, Jesus said to do this in remembrance of Me.

'This' means to watch Him and copy Him.

Since the Apostles in Acts continued to celebrate Communion in a group setting we know it has to be in a group setting.

They were at the Last Supper, so they should know.

Besides the word Communion means MORE the one for a certain purpose or cause.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/15/16


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The celebration of the Eucharist is an act of the CHURCH. Reception of Communion at it is an individual act.
---Cluny on 8/14/16


"...told "them" how "they" were to do it as often as they assembled themselves together in remembrance of Him." Leon please point out the scripture that documents this assertion (BC & V). It is my understanding that Jesus simply requested that it is done in remembrance of Him. He made no other specifications concerning the practice, except, the consuming of bread, [unleavened, is my belief], as representing His body that was given and broken for us, and wine as representing His blood which was shed for us for the remission of sins. Luk 22:19>1Co 11:24>Mat 26:28
---Josef on 8/14/16


Marcia: Jesus set the standard for His church (body of believers) to take communion. He initiated communion with His disciples shortly before His crucifixion & told "them" how "they" were to do it as often as they assembled themselves together in remembrance of Him. However, I don't see a pattern for solo communion in the Bible. But, in my heart, I can see how a person could desire to & perhaps, by God's grace & mercy, do so if he/she were isolated (cut off/marooned) from all other humans.

Bottom line: I believe Jesus meant for communion to be a corporate body of believers (church) event to be experienced together. BUT God can make a way for meeting individual needs of any believer out of no way.
---Leon on 8/13/16


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