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Hope For Salvation

On a recent blog, my Melkite Catholic Friend cited that the following "Scriptures." teach Christians must, "Hope for salvation."

2Tim 1:15, Matt 5:16, John 5:17, Acts 9: 36-41, Rom 13:10, 1 Cor 3:14-15, 1 Cor 15:58, And James 2.

When examine in context, is this true?

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I invite you to repent/turn from your sins today my friends and trust Christ alone to save you..br>
Call/plead with him to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath which abide on sinners today...

Always In love,---john9346 on 8/24/16

You Pharisee, you.

Sweetheart, I pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet at least 2 times a day.

Mercy is Jesus' 2nd Name.
Love is His first if you didn't know.

Do you not care about everyone's soul on CN?

Or do you just care about Brendan, Reuben, and Me?

Now, Jesus wants you to care about everyone.
Do not limit Jesus' people to just 3.

Include yourself in the invitation of repentance.

Be kind to yourself.

Always in Love- Nicole
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


//context ch 2?// V 1-13 Is about Sin of Partiality and V14-26 FAITH AND WORKS.

James gives Abraham and Rahab as an examples on how Faith WITHOUT Works is DEAD.

//continue reading on to the next sentence the author does not tie baptism as the sin that damns its unbelieving that sends us to hell...//

RIGHT! The NEXT sentence is V17 THE NEW SENTENCE:
These signs will accompany those who believe: in My Name..

Stick to the SAME sentence John. STOP MAKING EXCUSES.

Mark 16:16 is ONE COMPLETE SENTENCE!

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved,(comma stating the SENTENCE ISN'T FINISH) but he that believeth (What Jesus said BEFORE the comma which is Baptism)not shall be damned." ---john9346
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


Brendan, Reuben, and Nicole,

The bible says God your creator is holy, righteous, and just.

The bible says you are a sinner who have committed sin against him. Have you lied, looked with lust, stolen, been disobedient to your parents, have you always loved God perfectly?

The bible says The Lord Jesus Christ is the only man who lived a perfect and sinless life and he is the only way for you to be reconciled to God.

I invite you to repent/turn from your sins today my friends and trust Christ alone to save you from his wrath against sinners...

Call/plead with him to show you mercy and to save you from his wrath which abide on sinners today...

Always In love,

John
---john9346 on 8/24/16


questions that were never answered:

1. Reuben could never tell us Matthew's Context of Matt 25:31-40. Note, asked, "3 times."

2. Reuben could never tell us Luke's Context of Lk 12:35-48 note asked, "2 times."

3. Nicole never answered the question regarding Mk 16:16note she was asked, "4 times."

4. David never answered the question, in context, where do you see Jesus teaching, "Hoping for salvation?" when this is addressed to men who were all ready saved." (Jn 14:21) Note he was asked, "3 times."
---john9346 on 8/24/16


Nicole:

You wrote,

"I read the whole letter of James several times."

Great! so tell us what is the context of ch 2?

Nicole states, "Jesus said you must be BAPTIZED to be SAVED, if you don't believe (what He is saying about baptism for salvation) you will damned."

But if you continue reading on to the next sentence the author does not tie baptism as the sin that damns its unbelieving that sends us to hell...

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned."

So again, the question to you is if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??
---john9346 on 8/24/16




Now sir, will you answer my question provide us with Matthew's Context of Matt 25:31-40?will you answer my question

Thank You
---john9346 on 8/23/16

John, Matthew tells you:

Jesus comes separate the sheep from the goats, those who feed and gave drink went off to eternal life and those who did not went off to eternal punishment.

Now your turn,

Please enlighten us on what Matthew is saying, can't wait any longer!
---Ruben on 8/24/16


I said, "And may God bless you richly, too."

To which John 9346 said, "No thank you.

Monks are men who deal honestly, genuine, and whose conduct is mature and respectful in their character...

I had a lot of respect for you up until now."


What, I can't ask God to bless you? How immature is that? Or are you saying that my blessings will only bring calamities on you? If so, then you're fighting with God, and not me.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/23/16


//Acts 4:8 - Then Peter fill with the Holy Spirit , said unto them, Ye rulers of the people , and elders of Israel,

Indubitably! Jesus always keeps His promises.

Mark 13:11But when they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand what to say. Instead, speak whatever you are given at that time, for it will not be you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.


//2 Peter 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man : But holy men of God spake as they were move by the Holy Ghost---RichardC

Note you wrote men of God spake, not God

Anywho,

John 14:26
The Advocate, the Holy Spirit...He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you.- Jesus speaking who is God
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/23/16


Reuben ask, "Please tell us what the (Righteous) meant when they said " When did we see..etc..etc."

Sir, Matthew answers your question in vs 40.

Note, both the subject and the object Matthew lets us know is Jesus not the righteous nor the wicked.

Now sir, will you answer my question provide us with Matthew's Context of Matt 25:31-40?will you answer my question

Thank You
---john9346 on 8/23/16


Lying is breaking the 8th Commandment. 9th for you all after your change

//if she read James 2:14-16//

I read the whole letter of James several times.
I don't stop at verse 16, but also read V17-18
Mediate on it and maybe you will understand verses 14-16

//Mk 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned."//

Pay attention to the whole sentence. No period in between.

Jesus is clear. Stop fighting God.

Jesus said you must be BAPTIZED to be SAVED, if you don't believe (what He is saying about baptism for salvation) you will damned.

ONE SENTENCE, ONE THOUGHT! No forming of another.

BAPTISM to be SAVED.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/23/16




Everyone seeking the truth note,

Reuben and Nicole both are refusing to answer Legitimate Substantive questions.

Again, the questions are as follows:



2. I am waiting for Reuben to provide us with Matthew's Context of Matt 25:31-40?

3. I am waiting for Reuben to provide us all with the context of Lk 12:35-48.

4. I am waiting for Nicole to tell us if she read James 2:14-16.

5. I am waiting for Nicole to Tell us, in Mk. 16:16, if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??
---john9346 on 8/23/16


Nicole states, "Because Jesus said so!
Don't argue with Jesus just obey Him."

Ma'am, listen, pay attention focus focus.

You only cited part of Mk 16:16

You wrote, "Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be SAVED."

But the entire verse states, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Ma'am, are you able to give us all a contextual response I have asked you now 4 times to do so...

Thank You

John
---john9346 on 8/23/16


john9346 * Tell us, what part of Matthew in vs 31-40 do you see that sounds like living day by day, hoping for salvation?

Please tell us what the (Righteous) meant when they said " When did we see..etc..etc


john9346 * Sir, above all, do you understand what Matthew is addressing in vs 31-40??
verse

Please enlighten us on what Matthew is saying, can't wait any longer!
---Ruben on 8/23/16


questions that need to be answered:

1. I am waiting for David to tell us, in context of Jn 14:21 where is Jesus teaching, "Hoping for salvation?" when this is addressed to men who were all ready saved." (Jn 14:21)

2. I am waiting for Reuben to provide us with Matthew's Context of Matt 25:31-40?

3. I am waiting for Reuben to provide us all with the context of Lk 12:35-48.

4. I am waiting for Nicole to tell us if she read James 2:14-16.

5. I am waiting for Nicole to Tell us, in Mk. 16:16, if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??
---john9346 on 8/22/16


//trying to put Paul against Jesus is the work of a heretic//

Since you are aware of this sin, STOP IT!

Correcting YOUR sin of claiming Jesus is speaking in Ephesians instead of Paul.

Just in case you forgot

//But the Word of God says, "For by grace are ye saved through..Ephesians 2:8-9---john9346 on 8/19/16//

To help your confusion, just buy a Bible that has Jesus' Words in RED.

Sorry no color scheme for God in the OT.
But, whenever He speaks or acts, the writer tell us God or The Lord is speaking.

Follow those guidelines.

//Tell us, in Mk. 16:16, if baptism is essential for salvation then why..--john9346

Because Jesus said so!

Don't argue with Jesus just obey Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/16


Nicole : Paul speaking and he isn't God ?

Acts 4:8 - Then Peter fill with the Holy Spirit , said unto them, Ye rulers of the people , and elders of Israel,

2 Peter 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man : But holy men of God spake as they were move by the Holy Ghost ,
---RichardC on 8/22/16


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Reuben states, "
These were Christians( " Then the righteous will answer him and say) who had no idea they were giving food and giving drink and clothing him. Sounds alike living day by day, hoping for salvation."

Tell us, what part of Matthew in vs 31-40 do you see that sounds like living day by day, hoping for salvation?

Sir, above all, do you understand what Matthew is addressing in vs 31-40??
verse
---john9346 on 8/22/16


Nicole,

Ma'am, just remember and don't forget trying to put Paul against Jesus is the work of a heretic...

Now getting back to Scripture.

Tell us, in Mk. 16:16, if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??
---john9346 on 8/22/16


john9346* But vs 34 comes before vs 35-40 right?

34 reads ' Come you who are blessed by my Father" Now who are the Blessed who will inherit the kingdom.

Matthew tells you - Those who gave him food and drink and cloth him.

john9346 * Also, note, this is the judgment and not Christians living day by day trying to, "Hope for salvation.

These were Christians( " Then the righteous will answer him and say) who had no idea they were giving food and giving drink and clothing him. Sounds alike living day by day, hoping for salvation.
---Ruben on 8/22/16


Brendan said, "And may God bless you richly, too."

No thank you.

Monks are men who deal honestly, genuine, and whose conduct is mature and respectful in their character...

I had a lot of respect for you up until now...
---john9346 on 8/22/16


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John 9346 said, "Take Care, John"

And may God bless you richly, too.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/22/16


Hi David,

1. First sir, I'd ask if you could please keep the "Personalism." out of your responses to me. What I am (politician) is not what the Blog Question is about sir...

2. I'd remind you of the Blog Question which is addressing if Christians are to "Hope for Salvation."

3. The Jn 14:21 that you are refusing to answer here is an Agreed Case for sanctification, I'm not addressing sanctification, but salvation.

4. My question to you still stand, "
Sir, in context, where do you see Jesus teaching, "Hoping for salvation?" when this is addressed to men who were all ready saved." (Jn 14:21)
---john9346 on 8/22/16


Sir, in context, where do you see Jesus teaching, "Hoping for salvation?"---john9346

I didn't say it did, I was addressing your claim that works has nothing to do with ones salvation. John are you a politician? If not, you have missed your calling.

They do as you do, when presented with a question which show their argument to be false. Nice try though, but I will not argue with you on your dishonest terms.
---David on 8/22/16


Ruben asked, "How can both groups be saved?"

Not sure of your question vs 45-46 the 2 types of groups are not saved.

Could you be more specific to your question??
---john9346 on 8/21/16

Yes of course.

// the question still stands for you and Brendan to tell us did either of these individuals lose there salvation as a result of their works referencing (Luke 12:47-48)

The answer is no they did not.
---john9346 on 8/17/16///

Hope this explains it better!
---Ruben on 8/22/16


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//But the Word of God says, "For by grace are ye saved through..Ephesians 2:8-9---john9346 on 8/19/16

NO! That's Paul SPEAKING AND HE ISN'T GOD!-me

//author of "Holy Scripture." be against the other.---john9346 on 8/21/16

Just acknowledge that Paul isn't Jesus no matter how much you wish Paul would be your Lord and Savior.

Paul follows Jesus as His Lord and Savior.

Why don't you do the same
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/16


Ruben asked, "How can both groups be saved?"

Not sure of your question vs 45-46 the 2 types of groups are not saved.

Could you be more specific to your question??
---john9346 on 8/21/16


Ruben,

"If they were already saved, they had no idea, did they?"

Sir, What did Matthew tell you in vs 31-34?

"You could almost make the case that works came first before they were saved!!"

Only if you can't allow Matthew to explain himself.

"But it is NOT faith and then works followed but both at the same time."

But vs 34 comes before vs 35-40 right?

Also, note, this is the judgment and not Christians living day by day trying to, "Hope for salvation.
---john9346 on 8/21/16


David cited Jn 14:21.

Sir, in context, where do you see Jesus teaching, "Hoping for salvation?" when this is addressed to men who were all ready saved.

David cited Matt 19:16-17.

Sir, not sure of your point because Matthew tells us this man was never saved.


Paul in Rom 2 is addressing that Jew and gentile are effected by the law,furthermore, if there be any doubt he would clear it up in 11:6

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
---john9346 on 8/21/16


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Nicole states, "NO! That's Paul SPEAKING AND HE ISN'T GOD!"

Ma'am, your statement is labled the work of heretics by the church father Turtullian who wrote against those who try to make 1 author of "Holy Scripture." be against the other.

Ma'am, this is the work of heretics... not those who profess to follow the Lord Jesus Christ...
---john9346 on 8/21/16


Nicole cited Mark 16:16.

Ma'am, did you read the rest of the verse which states, "but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Now tell us, if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??

Also, Mark 16:9-20 is not in the Original Greek Manuscripts. It was added in.

May Yahweh visit you with truth today,

John
---john9346 on 8/21/16


Ruben ask, "Did I read it correctly??"

Yes sir, the 2 types in vs 47-48 are saved.
---john9346 on 8/21/16

Ok- thanks John

I want to talk about the first group //vs 45-46 is talking about 1 group of slaves.//

Jesus says about them "servant master will come on an unexpected day....and assign him to a place with the unfaithful."

In the gospel of Matthew it tells the same story. " The servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth . MT 24,48-51

How can both groups be saved?
---Ruben on 8/21/16


john93468 34 Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

these individuals were all ready saved the works just followed.

If they were already saved, they had no idea, did they?

"Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?' Mt 25: 37

When Jesus told them " Whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me." v40

You could almost make the case that works came first before they were saved!!

But it is NOT faith and then works followed but both at the same time.

" Faith working with love." ( Gal 5:6)
---Ruben on 8/21/16


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Seekers of the truth take note

Hi Brendan,

Sir, First, sorry you feel it is disrespectful, immature, dishonest, and foolish to ask you to address your own statements and the Scriptures you yourself "Stated and cited."

I have noticed over the last Several Dialogs I have had with you that when you are asked to be substantive you love to resort to personalism just like you are doing right now and that type of behavior I cant not respect sir and you should know better especially as a monk...

I didn't know this was the type of person you are thank you for letting me know.


Take Care,

John
---john9346 on 8/21/16


Ruben ask, "Did I read it correctly??"

Yes sir, the 2 types in vs 47-48 are saved.
---john9346 on 8/21/16


Ruben ask, "How can you still be saved with the unfaithful?"

Jesus answers yourquestion because Peter asked the same question,

41 Peter said, Lord, are You addressing this parable to us, or to everyone else as well?
vs 45-46 is talking about 1 group of slaves.

vs 47-48 is talking about another group of slaves (those who are all ready saved)
---john9346 on 8/18/16

You have claim that both groups are saved.

//The answer is no they did not.//

//Note these individuals were all ready saved the works just followed.//

Did I read it correctly??
---Ruben on 8/20/16


Works don't save us grace does...
---john9346 on 8/19/16


John
True.
But isn't it also true, Christ taught obedience to his commands brings us the Grace of God, Grace which brings one Eternal Life?
(John 14:21), (Matthew 19:16-17) and Paul himself taught this in (Romans 2:5-7).

Notice I provided you with the required multiple witnesses to show you the truth. And I can give scripture from every writer in the New Testament, that shows obedience to God is needed, for those who hope to be saved.

I have shown you where Christ taught, obedience brings Grace. Can you show us, where Christ taught obedience is not required to gain Gods Grace?
---David on 8/20/16


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//Nicole states, "The RCC believes when we are baptized we are SAVED."//

Yes, the RCC ALWAYS follows Jesus!

//But the Word of God says, "For by grace are ye saved through..Ephesians 2:8-9---john9346 on 8/19/16

NO! That's Paul SPEAKING AND HE ISN'T GOD!

But, the Word of God which is JESUS CHRIST said in Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be SAVED

Word from Word from GOD HIMSELF.

QUIT, going PASS the Gospels to lie on Jesus.

You should be ashamed of yourself!

If you believe in the Bible, John, FOLLOW the Bible as it is written, not as YOU believe it should be written!

Don't you FEAR God?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/20/16


John 9346 said, "So, is this the behavior of a monk, you "State as fact." something and when asked to dialog out of respect, maturity, and honesty, you refuse to do so??"

But you are not asking to dialog out of respect. You throw words back in my face as soon as they are posted. This is not respectful, nor is it mature on your side to continue an argument once I have given in and said you were right. Nor is it exactly honest, in that you refuse to answer my questions, and yet you try repeatedly to embroil me in foolish argument!

STOP ALREADY!
---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/16


Nicole cited James 2:17-18, "James 2:17.. faith of itself, if it does NOT have WORKS, is DEAD.
v18 Demonstrate your FAITH TO me WITHOUT works, and I will demonstrate my FAITH to you from my WORKS."

Ma'am, did you listen to what James said in vs 18, "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith,"

Also, did you listen to what he said in vs 14-16??
---john9346 on 8/19/16


Nicole states, "The RCC believes when we are baptized we are SAVED."

But the Word of God says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Ephesians 2:8-9
---john9346 on 8/19/16


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//Nicole brought up Lk 12:47-48 to proove we all must work for our salvation.---john9346

No I didn't.

It takes Free Grace to perform any works. Our deeds comes from Him.

The RCC believes when we are baptized we are SAVED.
Since we baptizes our babies, YOU KNOW we believe Salvation is a FREE GIFT. A baby can't pay a dime or work.

But just because you received a gift it DOESN'T mean you can't work to keep it up.
Adam was given the Garden as gift, but STILL had to work it.

James 2:17.. faith of itself, if it does NOT have WORKS, is DEAD.
v18 Demonstrate your FAITH TO me WITHOUT works, and I will demonstrate my FAITH to you from my WORKS.

Yes James, the most hated book of the Bible by Protestants
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/16


David,

1. I'd ask you to please read the Blog Question since the discussion is addressing, "Hoping for salvation."

2. Actually, Nicole brought up Lk 12:47-48 to proove we all must work for our salvation and I was responding to her please read prior to your posting.

3. The parable is describing to types of people the godly and the ungodly both groups will have their rewards.

4. Works don't save us grace does...
---john9346 on 8/19/16


Nicole states, "All God wants you do to is to Try.
He is pleased your attempts."

ma'am, tell us in context where, "Holy Scripture." teaches this doctrine.
---john9346 on 8/19/16


Sir, you are correct the "Holy Scriptures,"do not teach that Christians must, "Hope for Salvation." resulting from trying to be save, but fail.---john9346 on 8/18/16

John
My question had nothing to do with your reply, My subject was not about "Hope for Salvation". Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

I will try again.

You claim "Works" plays no role in ones salvation, and on 8/16 you used the (Luke 12) parable, verses 47 & 48, to prove your point to Nicole. You stated these verses show God punishing the saved. I merely ask for other corroborating scriptural witness, which shows God will punish the saved with the unsaved.
---David on 8/19/16


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Brendan said, "John, I was telling you that I am not asking you to change. All I am asking for is some understanding and acceptance. I've given up all of the other arguments.

Well, first, you should know better then to say what you just said. I posted prior on this blog how I feel about you please take time to read that.

All I am saying is that the following statements made by you is incompatible with "Holy Scripture."



What does on have to do to be a "True" Christian?

The only way you can find out is to wait until the judgment day, and be told by God.
Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan

---Monk_Brendan on 11/28/15
---john9346 on 8/18/16


Brendan said, "Now can you stop throwing my words in my face?"

So, is this the behavior of a monk, you "State as fact." something and when asked to dialog out of respect, maturity, and honesty, you refuse to do so??
---john9346 on 8/18/16


Nicole states, "Both groups of people are SHOCKED to find out they were helping Jesus and NOT helping Jesus."

Listen to vs 45 Then He will answer them, Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.

Note, the people in vs 45 he doesn't refer to them as he did the first group as his "Brothers."


Also, everything they did was because of Jesus not the works.

vs 40 The King will answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.
---john9346 on 8/18/16


David said, "I believe the Lord was telling us in the parable, there will be different degrees of punishment for those who he does not save."

Well, in Lk 12:35-48.

2 types of people (the Godly and the Ungodly)

Both will receive the reward do to them.

David ask, "
If I am wrong, where does the bible teach those who the Lord saves, will be punished after they are saved?"

Sir, you are correct the "Holy Scriptures." do not teach that Christians must, "Hope for Salvation." resulting from trying to be save, but fail.



---john9346 on 8/18/16


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Nicole states, "Both groups of people are SHOCKED to find out they were helping Jesus and NOT helping Jesus."

Listen to vs 45 Then He will answer them, Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.

Note, the people in vs 45 he doesn't refer to them as he did the first group as his "Brothers."


Also, everything they did was because of Jesus not the works.

vs 40 The King will answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.
---john9346 on 8/18/16


Trey, Jesus is ALWAYS speaking, acting and living for our eternal Salvation.

That is the ONLY reason He became MAN

All God wants you do to is to Try.
He is pleased your attempts.
Would you punish your 1 year child for trying to walk, but falls instead? NO

You are so delighted that the child is trying. You are in God's Image.

//where does the bible teach those who the Lord saves, will be punished after they are saved?--David

Don't you believe King David was Saved when he sinned and PUNISHED for Adultery for the rest of his life.

1st with the death of his baby son, children fighting with each other.

Lastly his eldest son tried to kill him for his kingdom, but in the process he died by a tree.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/18/16


John 9346 said, "Sir, your statement puts you in conflict with the following:"

John, I was telling you that I am not asking you to change. All I am asking for is some understanding and acceptance. I've given up all of the other arguments. Now can you stop throwing my words in my face?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/18/16


Ruben ask, "How can you still be saved with the unfaithful?"

Jesus answers yourquestion because Peter asked the same question,

41 Peter said, Lord, are You addressing this parable to us, or to everyone else as well?
vs 45-46 is talking about 1 group of slaves.

vs 47-48 is talking about another group of slaves (those who are all ready saved)
---john9346 on 8/18/16


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Ruben said, "No, they were bless for feeding the hungry etc,,etc, those who DID not went to the other prepared place!"
Lets see what Jesus said, "Then the King will say to those on His right, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."


Also, everything they did was because of Jesus not the works.

vs 40 The King will answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.
---john9346 on 8/18/16


Nicole,

1. Yes, Jesus is everyone's Master but this is beside the point. Keep scripture in context. He is speaking to the Jews.

2.No, I do not claim to "have accepted Jesus". He is my Savior but it is he that hath made me accepted in the beloved family of God. Eph: 1:6.

3. Matt 25:31-46 has nothing to do with Luke 12:49. Matt 25: 31-46 Christ is dealing with eternal salvation. He is describing the difference between sheep and goats (elect children of God chosen before the foundation of the world and the non-elect.) All are sinners, but Christ's redeemed and washed his children's sins away.

Nicole, I have tried to help my neighbor in need but often fail, but God's grace never fails!
---trey on 8/18/16


Nicole, again, the question still stands for you and Brendan to tell us did either of these individuals lose there salvation as a result of their works referencing (Luke 12:47-48)
---john9346 on 8/17/16


John
This parable teaches of both punishment and reward.

I believe the Lord was telling us in the parable, there will be different degrees of punishment for those who he does not save. If I am wrong, where does the bible teach those who the Lord saves, will be punished after they are saved?
---David on 8/18/16


Nicole, again, the question still stands for you and Brendan to tell us did either of these individuals lose there salvation as a result of their works referencing (Luke 12:47-48)

The answer is no they did not.
---john9346 on 8/17/16

v 46 says " then that servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unexpected hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the UNFAITHFUL."

How can you still be saved with the unfaithful?
---Ruben on 8/17/16


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John, you can't add to the Bible. Jesus saves and condemn people according to their behavior.

Both groups of people are SHOCKED to find out they were helping Jesus and NOT helping Jesus.

STOP SPINNING the BIBLE.

You are only convincing yourself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


john93468 34 Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

these individuals were all ready saved the works just followed.

Buy why would the righteous ( all ready save, according to you) ask when did we see you hungry, feed you, gave you a drink, cloth you, saw you in prison.v 37-40?

john9346* Jesus's Words, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

Note again, the works were a result of them being blessed of the Father before the foundations of the world.

No, they were bless for feeding the hungry etc,,etc, those who DID not went to the other prepared place!
---Ruben on 8/17/16


Brendan states, "You cannot dig down in the Bible and pull up Catholicism, any more than you can pick up "faith only."

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 3:27-28

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ::

"By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Rom 5:1-2
---john9346 on 8/17/16


Nicole You state, "The parable suggest our behavior DOES affects the justice one recieves."

Nicole, again, the question still stands for you and Brendan to tell us did either of these individuals lose there salvation as a result of their works referencing (Luke 12:47-48)

The answer is no they did not.
---john9346 on 8/17/16


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Nicole you cited Matt 25:35-41,however, did you ever read vs 34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

Nicole, Note these individuals were all ready saved the works just followed.

Nicole, note Jesus's Words, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

Note again, the works were a result of them being blessed of the Father before the foundations of the world.
---john9346 on 8/17/16


//Please note Christ stated "on the earth". He is speaking to the Jews who knew the Masters will but did not do it.---trey on 8/17/16

REALLY?

Jesus isn't everyone's Master?

Hello, aren't you all the ones who CLAIM you have to decide to accept Jesus here ON EARTH BEFORE death/judgment then it's either HEAVEN or HELL.

NO THIRD option???

Trey, please explain Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus' own MOUTH

PROOF that one's works ON EARTH DETERMINES one's destination after death FOREVER.

Even if you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, but IGNORED your neighbor's poor condition.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/16


John9346, allow Jesus to answer
Matthew 25:31-46
..Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father, take your inheritance, the kingdom...For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.(ALL WORKS leading to Heaven BECAUSE of the Works)

V41 Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.(HELL) For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave....(WORKS NOT DONE leading them to HELL)
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16


The verse cited: Luke 12:48 is a timely verse. This is not an eternal salvation verse. Please note:
Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth, and what will I, if it be already kindled? (KJV)

Please note Christ stated "on the earth". He is speaking to the Jews who knew the Masters will but did not do it.

If we know Christ's will and keep his commandments we are blessed while here on this earth.

If we know his will and disobey or are slack then we don't receive the blessing and may receive chastisement from the Master.
---trey on 8/17/16


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Nicole,

The question is in the parable did either one of these mmen lose there salvation based upon there works?

This is what you and Brendan must answer.
---john9346 on 8/16/16


Next, both of the slaves no matter their work still belong to the master, both will be beaten. ---john9346 on 8/16/16

But according to one's works or lack of works.

That's the whole point.

You are suggesting that Salvation has nothing to do with our behavior prior to death.

The parable suggest our behavior DOES affects the justice one recieves
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/16




Nicole,

You asked about Luke 12:47-48.

47 And that slave who knew his masters will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,

48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of [x]a flogging, will receive but few.

First, remember, this is a parable.

Next, both of the slaves no matter their work still belong to the master, both will be beaten.
---john9346 on 8/16/16


Brendan said, "You can and should stay right where you are."

Sir, your statement puts you in conflict with the following:

Brendan said, "Believe that I am what I say I am, a born-again, Bible believing Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit, and trying to follow God's will in all that I do."

Sir, first, I accept all persons as individuals made in God's Image, but everyone must do what Paul commands in the following:

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

2 Cor 13:5
---john9346 on 8/16/16


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Brendan states, "Yes, they are both saved, but both have to go through the fire, and one is given a reward for his works, while another receives nothing."

Sir, what you must answer for us in vs 10-15 is Paul teaching that Christians must, "Hope for Salvation."

If you say yes, Paul tells us that these 2 individuals are saved and will remain save.
---john9346 on 8/16/16


John explain:

Luke 12:47-48 That servant who knows his masters will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows. But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required, and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/15/16


John 9346 said, "But sir, did you read on to vs 15

15 If any mans work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Note Paul, states, "but he himself will be saved,"

In 1 Cor 3:10-15 both individuals will be saved the one who works and the one who doesn't..."


Yes, they are both saved, but both have to go through the fire, and one is given a reward for his works, while another receives nothing.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/15/16


Brendan states, "What I was saying is that God works, and if we are made in His image, we should work to perfect ourselves so that we may grow closer to God,"

Sir, Jn 5:17 isn't addressing this matter it is the Lord Jesus Christ defending his deity.

Did you read vs 24?
---john9346 on 8/15/16


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John, please try to understand. I am not trying to get you to change your religion to Catholic, or Orthodox or anything else. You can and should stay right where you are. All I have asked for is a bit of acceptance. Believe that I am what I say I am, a born-again, Bible believing Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit, and trying to follow God's will in all that I do.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/15/16




Brendan cites, v 13 of 1 cor 3, "
V 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."

But sir, did you read on to vs 15

15 If any mans work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Note Paul, states, "but he himself will be saved,"

In 1 Cor 3:10-15 both individuals will be saved the one who works and the one who doesn't...


---john9346 on 8/15/16


"On a recent blog, my Melkite Catholic Friend cited that the following "Scriptures." teach Christians must, "Hope for salvation."

John perhaps I am just missing it, but personally I don't see the correlation, or how those scriptures are applicable to a "hope for salvation".

Hope for salvation is the earnest, sincere, confident expectation of the believer to receive salvation. The believers hope rest in the Lord of salvation, not in anything they think they can possibly do to earn salvation. Because the believer knows that salvation is the gift of the Lord Jesus, The Christ.
---Josef on 8/14/16


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