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A Lucky Charm Bible

When you lived with parents were there always bibles accessible to you? If so did you, or your parents, ever use them? I know of many homes where there are bibles, still in mint condition, because they are never touched. The owners think of them as a 'lucky charm'. Was your childhood home like that?

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//I did not use the word Kippah at all. A head covering is quite different from a statue.---KarenD

Head covering??? Do you know what you are talking about?

It's too SMALL! It is a RELIGIOUS GARB! PERIOD

Kippah are NOT head covering.

It has NO PURPOSE nor does it shield the sun.

It has NO function at all and you know that!

Stop your spinning.

Just admit you forgot that Jewish men wear their FAITH on their persons in Public in order to tell the world they are JEWISH!

You don't even want Protestants wearing crosses either it isn't even isn't a statue

You called them lucky charms

MIND your own business and DON'T judge other people as they MIND their own business!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/19/16


Nicole....I did not use the word Kippah at all. A head covering is quite different from a statue.
---KarenD on 9/19/16


Calling the Jewish Kippah an idol isn't nice and some MIGHT think it is nasty thing to say, or imply.

Esp. since they are the chosen people WHO received the 10 Commandments in the first place

I believe they KNOW what constitutes what is idol worship and what isn't.

I not going to tell them to leave their Kippahs at home JUST to please people who want to judge the CHOICES they made when getting dress in the morning.

MATTHEW 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/16


Idols are included in the ten commandments.
---KarenD on 9/17/16


//Your nasty side is showing.---KarenD

REALLY?

//I have seen many people who won't leave home without their lucky charm idol.--KarenD 8/22/16

Jews DON'T believe their Kippahs are lucky charms idol.

//I do NOT have a licence, I do NOT break the law.---Rita H

I have NO IDEA what you are talking about?

I was giving you an example of ideas one can spend their own monies as they wish.

You are the one who suggesting how someone should display one's faith.

Jews have the right to wear Kippahs and we have the right to wear a crucifix to display our faith.

If you wish to not wear anything don't wear anything.

Remember this is YOUR blog and you used the words 'LUCKY CHARM' not me.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/17/16




Nicole.....Your nasty side is showing.
---KarenD on 9/16/16


Nicole, you'll keep this up for ever, it's becoming to look like a playground squabble so this is my last entry on this subject. Just want to let you know that, in the United Kingdom, we must have a Licence to watch T.V. It's illegal to watch without one (even catch-up T.V on a computer). I do NOT have a licence, I do NOT break the law.
---Rita_H on 9/17/16


/I am really saddened by some of your recents posts here and your personal attacks.---Rita_H on 9/16/16

I am SORRY that I hurt you.

---Nicole_Lacey on 9/17/16


//absolutely DO NOT know that!!//

Yet you verified my statement.

//I do NOT watch T.V.//

I said you have a TV. No denial of one.

//I last went to a cinema when Sound of Music was released//

So you went to a movie as I said. (I have a crucifix that is 40 years old)

//and have not had a holiday for about 25 years.//

As I said, you went on a vacation!

So, I guess I did know that!

//If you believe that it is who taught you this?---Rita_H

Wear a wedding band?

If your husband REMOVED his wedding band before leaving home you would be SO UPSET! Why? He loves you at home, right?

Then you would know how JESUS feels when you refuse to display your love for Him in Public.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/16/16


I watch the History channels all the time.

We are to watch what we spend money on. But we are not to be the conscience for others. We are not to judge.

GOD loves you.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/16/16




Also, I did not say anything like this or imply it either - "But she dares to complain about us spending our OWN money (not her money) on religious objects?" I actually said that 'they do not show faith' because lots of people with no faith at all wear them also.

Additionally - these words STILL do NOT make any sense "If you are too ashamed or afraid to wear the Crucifix, then DON'T accept His Salvation." Where are we told to do this? Is YOUR salvation dependent on the wearing of such things? If you believe that it is who taught you this? I am really saddened by some of your recents posts here and your personal attacks.
---Rita_H on 9/16/16


Nicole your words still make no sense but you chose the wrong person to say this to - "I know Rita has a TV, went to the movies, vacations and other nonessential items for life".

You, absolutely DO NOT know that!! I do NOT watch T.V., I last went to a cinema when Sound of Music was released and have not had a holiday for about 25 years.

You really do need to read comments in context and not put your own spin on things, assuming that people are meaning something that they did not say. You are becoming close to paranoid on this subject and I suggest you calm down.
---Rita_H on 9/16/16


Samuel, you are correct.
You can buy a crucifix for $5 or $50 for a large one for the living room. So Rita's comment made me upset.

I know Rita has a TV, went to the movies, vacations and other nonessential items for life.

But she dares to complain about us spending our OWN money (not her money) on religious objects?

I haven't been to a movie theater in 14 years.

I rather see a tattoo of Jesus than satan.
Crucifix instead of a skull head.
Jesus' Name instead of some girl friend's name.

You must agree there are some on CN who are upset with Catholics for having religious articles in our homes.

But Catholics are not upset for Protestants NOT having any signs of being a Christian in their homes.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/16/16


Nicole I have worked to not be a control freak. Also wearing a cross is not wrong. Although I believe that a person who spends thousands of dollars to buy a diamond studied one has their priorities in the wrong place.

But I do try to show you and others where I believe you have some errors in knowledge. Just as you also teach.

GOD bless you.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/15/16


But people may give Allah the correct instead of Jesus!--Nicole_Lacey on 9/14/16

Sorry, I meant to say credit not correct.

But at least it made Rob happy.

I do try to please everyone
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/14/16


BTW, why are you all such 'control freaks'?

Why do you care if someone is wearing a crucifix?

Upset when Jewish men wear the Kippah?

Or little boxes with Scripture inside them?

Can't you all live and let live?

My pants are not tight.

My dress goes below my knees.

My neckline actually stops at the neck point and you can't see any line below my neck.

The Secular people are trying so hard to stop Christians from saying or showing anything about Jesus outside our homes.

I have to fight them.
Why do I have to defend my Faith to other Christians?

Thank God, I don't have to obey some Pastor who directs his followers not to wear 'that' or 'this' in their opinion.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/14/16


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//I set an example of my faith by the things I do.---Steveng

But people may give Allah the correct instead of Jesus!

How are they going to know you are a Christian?

I have seen some charitable Atheists and Muslims put Christians to shame.

//..countries where residents are persecuted because of their faith//

I don't know where you live, but Christians are persecuted everywhere today!

//however, wearing such items does not declare faith at all//

It does for me and for those Extremist Muslims LOOKING for Christians to KILL in PUBLIC!

//person decided to spend some of their money on acquiring.---Rita

AMEN!
Better than football tickets or a TV.

Do you have a TV in your house?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/14/16


"If you are too ashamed or afraid to wear the Crucifix, then DON'T accept His Salvation."

Those words make no sense (except to people in countries where residents are persecuted because of their faith) and, those particularly groups of people are the ones who are NOT afraid to declare their faith. However, wearing such items does not declare faith at all, it just shows what the person decided to spend some of their money on acquiring.

Our faith is shown by our daily lives, our use of language, our disposition, our care of others and so much more but never by what we wear. Some of the worst criminals love their 'religious' jewellery.
---Rita_H on 9/14/16


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "If you are too ashamed or afraid to wear the Crucifix, then DON'T accept His Salvation."

I'm not ashamed of anything or afraid of anything, but God. I set an example of my faith by the things I do not by the trinkets I wear.
---Steveng on 9/13/16


//Nicole_Lacey, answer me this:
If Jesus were put to death by lethal injection, would you place a miniature syringe around your neck as a sign of faith?---Steveng on 9/12/16

YES!

But that kind of death is an easy way out!

Jesus died the WORST type of death KNOWN to man!

On the Cross for 3 LONG, HARD, PAINFUL HOURS!

If Jesus can DIE on the Cross for you and me, can't you wear the Crucifix for Him?

If you are too ashamed or afraid to wear the Crucifix, then DON'T accept His Salvation.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/13/16


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Nicole_Lacey, answer me this:

If Jesus were put to death by lethal injection, would you place a miniature syringe around your neck as a sign of faith?
---Steveng on 9/12/16


//Christians are not of this world.---Steveng 9/11/16

But we are IN the world.

Christians NEED to remind others that there is life after death.

How would another people know you are a Christian when you are just walking around?

Strangely, whenever a Secular movie wants to portray a Christian, they show the person making the 'sign of the cross'.

A SILENT gesture, but very powerful!

Don't be afraid!

1 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word, be prepared in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/12/16


//Gang members where them, metalica bands members wear them, as part of their fashion statement//

Karen already said that and I gave her props for giving a good answer.

//Heathens wear crosses all the time. Many have tattoos of crosses. Guess they think they are lucky charms.---KarenD on 8/25/16

GOOD REPLY!---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16

//Why does one need a worldly object to represent spiritual matters?//

kippah or yarmulke also called a kappel or "skull cap" is a thin, slightly-rounded skullcap traditionally worn at all times by OBSERVANT Jewish men--Wikipedia

//A true Christian does not use this symbol as a physical manifestation of his faith.?--Steveng

If Jewish men can why not me?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/12/16


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Crucifix as I said before to let everyone know I am a Christian."

Cluny wrote: "And why would the heathen wear a cross?"

Gang members where them, metalica bands members wear them, many non-christians wear them as part of their fashion statement.

Why does one need a worldly object to represent spiritual matters? A true Christian does not use this symbol as a physical manifestation of his faith. It's what the person DOES that represent who he or she is NOT a piece of metal, a worldly object. If Jesus were put to death by lethal injection, would you place a miniature syringe around your neck as a sign of faith?

Christians are not of this world.
---Steveng on 9/11/16


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//saint buried under the front step of a house will make it sell faster..Candles to certain saints. I don't know what is in their hearts. Just their words. So no I am not judging//

Yes you were when you said this:

//crosses..They just are not magical. Neither are statues of saints.---Samuelbb7

You are claiming they believe in magic not Jesus.

Jesus isn't magic.

They believe the statue of Saint in Heaven is prayer request to the Saint to ask Jesus.

NO MAGIC involved.

That's why Jesus said NEVER to judge because you do not have ALL the facts.

//I can say something is not correct.---Samuelbb7

That's judging since you came you have authority to say another person's action isn't correct.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/5/16


When I am told the statue of a saint buried under the front step of a house will make it sell faster. When Candles to certain saints sold in stores will heal, bring money, keep away the evil eye and bring love. I am going by what the say.

I don't know what is in their hearts. Just their words. So no I am not judging. That would be like saying I know they are saved or lost.

We are children and GOD deals with us a such. Not my job to judge. But I can say something is not correct.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/5/16


//I don't fear crosses. They just are not magical. Neither are statues of saints.
Although here in Texas many think so.--Samuelbb7 on 9/4/16

How do you know?

Can you read their minds, motives and intentions?

Are you claiming to be magical?

Or are you JUDGING them?

You need to wear Matthew 7:1-5 passages around your neck.

It might become magical on you and soak into your heart.

BTW, are Orthodox Jewish people WRONG for placing Scripture Passages on their head, heart and arms?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/5/16


I have a wooden 3 bar cross I always wear. I also have a collection of Icons. One of my favorites is the Pantocrator of Sinai.
---Cluny on 9/5/16


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I don't fear crosses. They just are not magical. Neither are statues of saints.

Although here in Texas many think so.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/4/16


No one should wear a Cross because it isn't convenient?

After all it is a cross or better yet a crucifix.

Christian life is hard, but rewarding.

Just because someone abuses the cross it doesn't mean you have to reject the cross.

DON'T BE AFRAID!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/4/16


"People will know you are Christian by your life, not a cross. Heathens wear them too."
---KarenD on 8/24/16

Yes, they certainly do Karen and they seem to think 'the bigger the better'. Very many teenagers in U.K. wear crosses 2 inches high, bejewelled, engraved and the more ostentatious the better. They have them on chains, key rings, as pin badges on their lapels, on hair clips, bangles and even have them as tattoos. Sadly they mean nothing at all to the wearer, they are just a 'fashion accessory.
---Rita_H on 9/4/16


To memorize the Gospels is a wonderful thing. Cluny. I used to listen to one of our Ministers who is now asleep in the Lord. Who had memorized the entire New Testament. King James version.

I do good to have a few passages.

Interesting Rita Thank you for sharing.

GOD BLESS and keep you both.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/31/16


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Samuel, I too use the modern technology that we have and will use an online concordance and bible studies etc. With very poor eyesight it is much easier for me as I can enlarge the print on the screen until it is comfortable for me. I too have many versions, bought for me by friends, but use the KJV the most as mine is extremely large print.

I also have a bible written in Pitman's Shorthand. I've only ever seen one other (at a bible display in a local hall some years ago).
---Rita_H on 8/30/16


I understand your point, Samuel.

There was a devout and holy Russian abbess, Mother Taisia, who had memorized all 4 Gospels.

God will be able to call things to remembrance as you need them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/16


I have some very used Bibles and some used ones. I also have a small collection of various translations.

What I wish I had was the memory to remember every word in the Bible. But I have the next best thing. A Bible search engine. So If I can remember one or two words. I can find the passage.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/29/16


//I, PERSONALLY, feel that a better symbol of someone's Christianity (to those who visit a home) would be to see a well worn - therefore well used - bible.//

Not if the words 'Holy Bible' is ALSO WORN OUT

Someone might think it's an ancient collection of William Shakespeare Book or a Koran

//Sadly,..many people who will never have seen a well used bible so it could actually bring about an opportunity for discussion/witnessing if they saw one now and again.---Rita_H//

I don't know about that, but many Service Men (Plumber, Heat and AC etc) have told me how nice it was to SEE a crucifix, or a Bible on the coffee table.
Because they DON'T SEE IT ANYMORE.

They should know, they make plenty of house visits.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/29/16


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'So as my 10 lb. MINT CLEAN BIBLE on my coffee table is the symbol of my Christianity to anyone who enters my home.'

I, PERSONALLY, feel that a better symbol of someone's Christianity (to those who visit a home) would be to see a well worn - therefore well used - bible.

Sadly, there are many people who will never have seen a well used bible so it could actually bring about an opportunity for discussion/witnessing if they saw one now and again.
---Rita_H on 8/29/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Earlier, I showed how you can open the Bible and get verses that are NOT good for guidance. Just because something is in the Bible, it doesn't mean it's God's word for you right now (e.g. "Judas killed himself", "Do ye therefore likewise", and "What you must do, do quickly").

I've always thought that our light was to shine before men, so people could tell that we are Christians by our actions, without needing any external signs to do so. (And, conversely, if we lead lives that are disreputable, and people rightly hold us in contempt for it, we don't bring the name of Christ into disrepute by covering our shame with his symbols.)
---StrongAxe on 8/29/16


Of not engaging in Bible Dipping, we are all as sheep without a shepherd, and church is little a house of prayer, and people have genuine needs and are desperate for help and guidance, some of them have read the Bible through and through and are not being satisfied, wanting the Holy Spirit, but not receiving the Holy Spirit without limit, wanting a word from the Lord, a dream of benefit, a vision of benefit, an angel with a word from God, and not getting it. So who am I to criticize people who sleep with their Bible or time to time randomly poke in it. We are all grossly lacking. It is basically the blind leading the blind.
---mike4879 on 8/28/16


//Who mentioned Proverbs 4:14? I didn't.//

No I did to prove YOU CAN open the Bible and use a SINGLE verse for guidance


//1 pound bible is functional. a 50 pound one is ostentatious//

A wife without a wedding band is STILL a wife.

The band ONLY stands for the marriage.

The functional part of the consummation is what makes her your wife

So as my 10 lb. MINT CLEAN BIBLE on my coffee table is the symbol of my Christianity to anyone who enters my home.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/28/16


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"Judas hanged himself". "Do ye, therefore, likewise". "What you must do, do quickly".

Strongaxe, it's a long time since I read that or heard someone tell it but it is so true that we must not engage in 'bible dipping'.

Many people have tried to convince others that the bible says things that it does not because they pick and choose which bits they think will prove their points.

When anyone quotes an odd verse or two I always read them and, if necessary, say "yes it does say that but what about those other verses surrounding it or over on the next page?"
---Rita_H on 8/28/16


Nicole_Lacey:

... Proverbs 4:14?

Who mentioned Proverbs 4:14? I didn't.

Your wife wearing her polished wedding band is an outward sign of marriage.
Wears all 20 diamond rings you brought at once is being ostentatious.


Yes, exactly. A 1 pound bible is functional. a 50 pound one is ostentatious.

Forget finding $1 in Saudi Arabia. You can't find ANY bibles. Illegal

Christians there have them, they're just not easy to get.

Go to Cuba, 1950's cars' structural integrity are fine and running. RUST and ALL

There's no snow in Cuba. Try Michigan or Ohio, where salt is used to melt snow and accelerates rust. Rust eats through cars in no time.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/16


Strongaxe, I can't get any guidance by a chances pointing to Proverbs 4:14?

The path of the wicked enter not, walk not on the way of the evil men

YES I CAN (as Obama once said, Remember? :D


//There's a big difference between being afraid of showing outward signs, and being ostentatious.

Your wife wearing her polished wedding band is an outward sign of marriage.

Wears all 20 diamond rings you brought at once is being ostentatious.

//Try finding $1 bibles in Saudi Arabia!

Forget finding $1 in Saudi Arabia. You can't find ANY bibles. Illegal

//Rust can damage the structural integrity of the car.

Go to Cuba, 1950's cars' structural integrity are fine and running. RUST and ALL
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/27/16


Years ago, I heard a story. A man was looking for guidance from the bible, so he opened it to a random page. He read, "Judas hanged himself". Disturbed, he tried again and read, "Do ye, therefore, likewise". More distressed, he tried a third time, and read, "What you must do, do quickly". Getting guidance this way is an occult practice called bibliomancy, and you can see what can happen.

Nicole_Lacey wrote: 2 Cor 10:17...

True!

There's a big difference between being afraid of showing outward signs, and being ostentatious.

I was talking about areas where Bibles are hard to get. Try finding $1 bibles in Saudi Arabia!

Rust can damage the structural integrity of the car.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/16


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//We had numerous Bibles. We read from some and never read from others. I have read the Bible cover to cover and some times I treat it as a "lucky charm" and place it under my pillow or on my chest while I sleep hoping for something out of that.//

I do the SAME thing!

Treating it as a 'lucky charm' only means the method. For those who think power comes from the charm of a item, We know our strength and power comes from God.

I sleep better.

//Also, I open the Bible randomly at times and point to a verse and read...So we Christians do things like that from time to time. ---mike4879

Yes MANY do, but refuse to admit it.

Thanks for your honest.

We are all more alike than different
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/27/16


//NEVER says we should "have pride in Jesus"//

Boast VERB - talk with excessive pride and self-satisfaction about one's achievements,..

2 Cor 10:17 Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.

Galatians 6:14..may I never boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,

//afraid of what?//

Showing outward signs of being a Christian

//too expensive or difficult to get//

BTW, Go to the Dollar Tree store. Mid size Bibles for $1

//removing dirt from a windshield//

No need to wash the car, you have windshield fluid for that.

//salt from body reduces rust.---StrongAxe

Rust doesn't hurt the engine but your pride!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: What? You can have pride in Jesus.

The bible speaks negatively about pride, and it NEVER says we should "have pride in Jesus".

Why are you so afraid?

Who is afraid of what?

It's called using your 10 fingers to say the Rosary. DONE IT!

I was referring to using a tattered bible because replacing it would be too expensive or difficult to get - NOT a rosary.

Removing dirt from the hood doesn't help the engine one bit.

No, but removing dirt from a windshield can prevent accidents, and salt from body reduces rust.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/16


//Heathens wear crosses all the time. Many have tattoos of crosses---KarenD

GOOD REPLY!

//..easier to read.//

I am talking about easier to see the Bible. No touching.

//but don't dare read them to tarnish their shine.//

I can afford more than one Bible.

//the Bible says about pride.//

What? You can have pride in Jesus.

Why are you so afraid?

//many countries, people can't afford them, or they are hard to come by. Affluent Americans are fortunate.//

It's called using your 10 fingers to say the Rosary. DONE IT!

All American are fortunate.

//I wash my car it to keep it functional---StrongAxe

Removing dirt from the hood doesn't help the engine one bit.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/26/16


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\\Heathens wear crosses all the time.\\

Are you personally acquainted with any who do?

\\Many have tattoos of crosses. Guess they think they are lucky charms\\

How wonderful to see into the hearts of people you don't even know. How do you bear such knowledge?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/26/16


Heathens wear crosses all the time. Many have tattoos of crosses. Guess they think they are lucky charms.
---KarenD on 8/25/16


Nicole_Lacey:

There's nothing wrong with large-print books that are easier to read. What I question is people who have such huge monstrosities and vainly keep them on display to impress others, but don't dare read them to tarnish their shine.

Remember what the Bible says about pride.

You can't mediatate on Jesus without a mechanical aid to help you?

In many countries, people can't afford them, or they are hard to come by. Affluent Americans are fortunate.

I wash my car it to keep it functional, not to impress people - the motive is key.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/16


//What message does a 50 pound bible send different from a 1 pound bible? "ostentatiousness"//

EASIER on the eyes than a 1 pound Bible. It's like those big trophies. They are proud.

I LOVE MY BIBLE.

//the rosary to mediate on Jesus while I am waiting in line or stuck in traffic- ME

//You can't do that without a mechanical aid?//

You lost me?

//If you already have a rosary, wouldn't that also show it?//

No, it's inside my pocket

//I think Jesus would prefer to see one that is tattered and falling to pieces from excessive use//

You know you can buy more than ONE BIBLE?

//That is vanity.---StrongAxe

Or Respect. Do you wash your car? Why? That's vanity!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/16


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//you only want to promote the RCC.//

Explains the growth of the RCC.

If you believe your Church has all the answers to Jesus Christ, preach it! By word or action.
Don't be ashamed.

//People will know you are Christian by your life, not a cross.---KarenD

Crucifix, a difference.

But how do Christians SHOP differently than Hindus or Muslims?

We all look the same.

But, if a Lady's head is covered, you can bet she is Muslim.

A man wearing a turban is most likely a Hindu.

A cross usually tells us it is a Protestant

A crucifix usually means a Catholic.

We all are PROUD of our Faith.

Heathen usually don't wear anything and definitely not a cross as Cluny said.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/16


KarenD:

You wrote: Nicole....I see your eyes are blinded by fables and idology. Clint only wants to promote Orthodoxy and you only want to promote the RCC. People will know you are Christian by your life, not a cross. Heathens wear them too.

You are absolutely right! Remember, Jesus wrote "By their trinkets you will know them" ... err ... no, wait, ... I mean, "By their fruits you will know them.

Crucifixes, Jesus fish, WWJD bumper stickers, etc. are so prevalent today, and used by so many people whose lives don't show even a shadow of Jesus's teachings, that they're largely meaningless as reliable indicators of faith.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/16


\\Nicole....I see your eyes are blinded by fables and idology. Clint only wants to promote Orthodosy...\\

No, Karen, YOUR eyes are blinded.

To promote Orthodoxy IS to promote Christ!.

And why would the heathen wear a cross?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/16


Nicole....I see your eyes are blinded by fables and idology. Clint only wants to promote Orthodoxy and you only want to promote the RCC. People will know you are Christian by your life, not a cross. Heathens wear them too.
---KarenD on 8/24/16


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We had numerous Bibles. We read from some and never read from others. I have read the Bible cover to cover and some times I treat it as a "lucky charm" and place it under my pillow or on my chest while I sleep hoping for something out of that. Also, I open the Bible randomly at times and point to a verse and read it just like David Wilkerson had in his book "Cross and the Switchblade". So we Christians do things like that from time to time.
---mike4879 on 8/24/16


Nicole_Lacey:

What message does a 50 pound bible send different from a 1 pound bible? "ostentatiousness".

the rosary to mediate on Jesus while I am waiting in line or stuck in traffic,

You can't do that without a mechanical aid?

I love Jesus so much I want EVERYONE TO KNOW.

If you already have a rosary, wouldn't that also show it?

A mint clean bible shines forth the message "This has never been opened or used". I think Jesus would prefer to see one that is tattered and falling to pieces from excessive use.

GOD FORBID if I display a dirty Bible!

That is vanity.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/16


Karen I think you made a mistake.

//Nicole.....Read 2 Timothy 2:15.--KarenD on 8/23/16


I read it and it doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.

If you are pulling something out of it that you want me to answer, you have to write it out for me.

Cluny was trying to help you, but you didn't seem to understand his point.

Both letters to Timothy are very interesting.

You should read both of them entirely.

Just pretend there isn't any chapters or verses.

(BTW, those chapters and verses were entered centuries later. It helped the Monks keep there place when copying them.)

It's fun to read the letters as Paul intended Timothy to read them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


//a bible in the living room so large that it would cause a hernia to try and lift it//

Not meant to be lifted but to be SEEN.

//so many objects to be carried around with you at all times?//

Well, the rosary to mediate on Jesus while I am waiting in line or stuck in traffic,

Crucifix as I said before to let everyone know I am a Christian.

I want everyone to know. Certain places talking isn't allowed.
I love Jesus so much I want EVERYONE TO KNOW.

//Why do you need to have a mint clean one?---StrongAxe

Because it is the Word of God.

If I brush my teeth, take a bath and wear clean clothes for men, WHY CAN'T I KEEP A CLEAN MINT BIBLE?

GOD FORBID if I display a dirty Bible!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


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Cluny...of course not. Study the dictionary. LOL. Of course, The Torah was to be studied. Don't you believe everybody should study the Bible? Or do you think only the priests/monks can study it??
---KarenD on 8/24/16


\\Nicole.....Read 2 Timothy 2:15.
---KarenD on 8/23/16\\

You don't actually think this verse refers to reading the Bible, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/16


Nicole.....Read 2 Timothy 2:15.
---KarenD on 8/23/16


Not impress, but to SHOW we are Christians and NOT ASHAMED. A difference.

One only needs a simple sign, not a bible in the living room so large that it would cause a hernia to try and lift it.

I won't leave home without my ARTICLES of FAITH. Crucifix necklace, rosaries for prayer time.

Why does your faith depend on so many objects to be carried around with you at all times?

Dusty? We clean our homes. Usually fresh flowers are placed next to our Mint Clean Bible.

Why do you need to have a mint clean one?
---StrongAxe on 8/23/16


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//Bibles sitting around to impress visitors//

Not impress, but to SHOW we are Christians and NOT ASHAMED. A difference.

We refuse to HIDE our Christianity!

//I have seen many people who won't leave home without their lucky charm idol.//

I won't leave home without my ARTICLES of FAITH. Crucifix necklace, rosaries for prayer time.

I refuse to HIDE MY CHRISTIANITY

NOT AFRAID

//The Bibles that are lying around our house are not dusty,-KarenD

Dusty? We clean our homes. Usually fresh flowers are placed next to our Mint Clean Bible.
The others Bibles are written in and read with reverence and respect.

The Bible isn't a study book for us, but the Word of God to be mediated upon.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/23/16


Yes. When I was a kid we actually had three leather books on our coffee table. Never used. Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine of Covenants. As an adult I found that I only needed Jesus and one book, The Bible. Bibles sitting around to impress visitors or to protect your house are as ineffective as medals like St Christopher, etc. I have seen many people who won't leave home without their lucky charm idol. The Bibles that are lying around our house are not dusty, but are worn from reading and studying.
---KarenD on 8/22/16


Thanks Nicole, that is good to know and I know many families like that but the one I mentioned was exactly as my friend told me. They actually said that they never read the bible and just had that one on the table for the reason I've already stated.

I grew up in a household where we had several bibles and we, the children, were encouraged to read them ourselves but our parents never picked one up. Many people really DO believe that owning one is all that matters and, if we do, we are safe. I'm the only Christian in my entire family from before my marriage.
---Rita_H on 8/22/16


Rita, when I was growing up we had a nice big Bible on the coffee table.

Still in mint condition because we had respect for the Bible.
Not because we didn't read the Bible.

We had smaller Bibles to read, write in and highlight verses.

But NO markings in the big Bible in the living room.
Only written words were about Family tree names, Marriages, Baptisms, and even family's deaths.

No lucky charm, but displayed to let EVERYONE know in this Household we are CHRISTIANS!

Now, you go into many homes: no more Bible on the coffee table, no more pictures of Jesus ANYWHERE.
Not in my house.

When you walk in you will see so much religious items you will know I am a Catholic Christian and NOT ASHAMED!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/16


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Nicole_Lacey:

It is dangerous to draw specific conclusions from sparse data. In this case, it was a 12 year old Turkish Muslim boy working for ISIS. It's fair to say "ISIS is evil". But from this incident, it would be presumptuous to extrapolate "all Muslims are evil" or "all Turks are evil" or "all boys are evil" or "all 12 year olds are evil".


There are many people, Christians and not, who use bibles and crosses as magic talismans based on superstition rather than faith. Some even use it for political gain (Trump's favorite part is "eye for eye" and quotes "Two Corinthians". Clearly he hasn't read any of it, even though it's his favorite book now.)
---StrongAxe on 8/22/16


Yeah Rita. It's like people who use to have a plastic Jesus riding on the dashboard of their car/truck as a lucky charm. I haven't seen one in years.
---Leon on 8/22/16


I'll give an example of what prompted the question. A friend told me how she'd been offered a coffee in a family home. No-one came to remove the empty cup so my friend (seeing an old book on a small table near her), placed the cup and saucer there. The daughter of the household ran screaming "You can't put that there, it's the family bible."

My friend apologised then tried to start a dialogue about parts of the bible but it appeared they NEVER read it and NEVER had. It was there purely 'to keep them safe'. It was only ever touched with a soft duster.

This is similar to the many non-Christians who wear a cross on a chain but do not believe in God or His Son. Many will say that they wear it 'just in case'.
---Rita_H on 8/22/16


all other manner of unholy, truth twisting, pseudo christian cults & "broad way that leads to destruction" isms plaguing the U.S. & world today. ---Leon on 8/21/16

What?

You went through our world's history picking on Jews and Christians leaving out the BIGGEST RELIGIOUS TERRORIST group of all time and esp. Today.

ISLAMISMS

They are the biggest part of the isms.

That's like stating McDonald's is a bad restaurant because their fish sandwich is bad (BTW, it is)

But how does their hamburgers taste?

BTW, a 12 year old Muslim suicide bomber just killed 51 people at a Turkish Wedding.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/16


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True Cluny.

But some think if they have a Bible it keeps the devil away.

Kinda like the idea holy water and crosses keep away vampires.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/21/16


///I never knew anyone who thought of the Bible as a lucky charm...there are a lot of Word of Faith people who use the Bible as a grimoire...book of spells to get what they want out of God.---Cluny on 8/21/16///

Cluny: Old & New Testament people as well as historical church religionist have all used God's recorded word as a kind of lucky charm or magic wand. I'm of course thinking about the wayward wandering Jews, scribes, pharisees, Simon Magus types, church sponsored Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Conquistador conquest of the New World..., Salem witch trials & all other manner of unholy, truth twisting, pseudo christian cults & "broad way that leads to destruction" isms plaguing the U.S. & world today.
---Leon on 8/21/16


I never knew anyone who thought of the Bible as a lucky charm, but there are a lot of Word of Faith people who use the Bible as a grimoire, or book of spells to get what they want out of God.
---Cluny on 8/21/16


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